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How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« on: March 20, 2024, 06:30:19 am »
How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
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The current obsession with decarbonization had its roots in the reaction to the amazing post-WW2 period, when ordinary workers were able to own a house and a car. I was a student in the 50s and early 60s. Mockery of the poor taste and materialism of these people was endemic.


With the Vietnam War, things got amplified, as the working class got drafted while students sought draft deferments (students, during this period, were still a relative elite; the massive expansion of higher education was only beginning). They justified their behavior by insisting that the Vietnam War was illegitimate, while ignoring the obvious fact that Vietnamese people were fleeing south rather than north. It was fashionable to regard the US as evil and deserving of overthrow. Opposition often turned to violence with groups like the Weathermen and SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).

In 1968, I was teaching at the University of Chicago. We were spending the summer in Colorado, and we had a student house-sitting our apartment. When we returned, we found a police car monitoring our apartment. The house-sitter had apparently turned our apartment into a crash pad for the SDS during the Democrat Party Convention. Our apartment was littered with their literature, which included instructions for poisoning Chicago’s water supply.

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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2024, 09:06:55 am »
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A drunken bar argument that took on a life of its own?
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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2024, 06:15:47 pm »
Carbon Dioxide was chosen to be for the greenunists what "Goldstein" was to 1984.

A boogieman, an enemy that could be attacked again and again for "two minutes hate".

Alinsky's "Rule 13":
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy."

How can "CO2" defend itself?
Unless one is well-versed in science or chemistry, who is going to argue FOR it?

It's become something of a McGuffin [a la Hitchcock] -- a useful diversion to win the hearts and minds of useful idiots...

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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2024, 06:58:26 pm »
Carbon Dioxide was chosen to be for the greenunists what "Goldstein" was to 1984.

A boogieman, an enemy that could be attacked again and again for "two minutes hate".

Alinsky's "Rule 13":
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy."

How can "CO2" defend itself?
Unless one is well-versed in science or chemistry, who is going to argue FOR it?

It's become something of a McGuffin [a la Hitchcock] -- a useful diversion to win the hearts and minds of useful idiots...
Sadly, the STEM product of our higher education system is vastly outnumbered by over credentialed nitwits in other fields who pursued far less challenging courses of study, but whose relatively impressive CV suffixes (to some, anyway--a PhD who is wrong is just as wrong as a High School dropout who is wrong) tend to overshadow debate by bludgeoning those less credentialed with their letters of academic distinction.

But even more dangerous is the subsidized pursuit of ill formed conclusions over partial or doctored or even just cherry-picked data, bolstered by the conclusions of 'studies' preceding in a network of logical rabbit holes, unsupported by critical analysis of the hypotheses supposedly supported. Missing factors as simple as lower sulfide emissions or less insolation blockage from pollution reduction are ignored in the quest for a boogeyman that can be exploited in the public forum for prestige and profit. It is no wonder that succeeding studies will pursue that line of thought, especially if that pursuit is lucrative. For now, those who support such either are fully committed to the concepts out of error or misdirection, or seek to exploit those concepts for pecuniary gain, directly or indirectly, often through legislation which will have unintended consequences.  If those (unintended consequences) manifest, then the concept and, indeed the system to which it applies, is not fully understood, otherwise, those consequences would have been understood as an effect of the action taken.

Which gets back to those claiming to be able to predict global temperatures decades, if not centuries, in advance, not being fully aware of all the interactions involved, natural or artificial, which means their predictions are flawed at best, or completely wrong at worst.

Naturally, if the consequences were understood and the action taken anyway, then we must assume that action to be malicious in nature, and not to benefit either the planet or humankind, despite a small group of individuals gaining power or profits as a result.
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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2024, 07:03:44 pm »
Carbon Dioxide was chosen to be for the greenunists what "Goldstein" was to 1984.

A boogieman, an enemy that could be attacked again and again for "two minutes hate".

Alinsky's "Rule 13":
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy."

How can "CO2" defend itself?
Unless one is well-versed in science or chemistry, who is going to argue FOR it?

It's become something of a McGuffin [a la Hitchcock] -- a useful diversion to win the hearts and minds of useful idiots...
@Fishrrman

Your points are well taken. And being a movie buff, I do appreciate the "MacGuffin" reference.

But how many morons are there that somehow don't understand that CO2, a trace gas that makes up 0.38% of Earth's atmosphere is nonetheless necessary for ALL LIFE ON PLANET EARTH??

Too many, as it happens. We can thank our Publik Skrewls for that, I guess. 

Given the scientific facts - easily proven and demonstrated - it shouldn't be that hard to make the argument, but I don't hear enough people making it.

To make things worse: there are too many politicized, bought-off "scientists" who know better, still arguing that modest CO2 concentrations that prevailed on this planet numerous times in the past are somehow now going to destroy life on the planet???!!
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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2024, 01:45:23 pm »
@Fishrrman

Your points are well taken. And being a movie buff, I do appreciate the "MacGuffin" reference.

But how many morons are there that somehow don't understand that CO2, a trace gas that makes up 0.38% of Earth's atmosphere is nonetheless necessary for ALL LIFE ON PLANET EARTH??

Too many, as it happens. We can thank our Publik Skrewls for that, I guess. 

Given the scientific facts - easily proven and demonstrated - it shouldn't be that hard to make the argument, but I don't hear enough people making it.

To make things worse: there are too many politicized, bought-off "scientists" who know better, still arguing that modest CO2 concentrations that prevailed on this planet numerous times in the past are somehow now going to destroy life on the planet???!!

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Likely because the science is unpopular and therefore suppressed by the powerful.


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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2024, 02:10:00 pm »
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Psychological conditioning is occurring in various ways and within different affinity groups to prepare the American population for an imminent future of economic scarcity and decline.

Within progressive circles, propaganda aims to persuade the masses that embracing environmentally friendly practices, breaking free from the constraints of work, employment, and capitalism are necessary to "save the planet" and ensure a sustainable future. Those who have succumbed to this mindset feel virtuous in their pursuit of a future devoid of capitalism, private property ownership, and even great-tasting food. In essence, their ambition is enviro-communism.

In Christian circles, dishonest confidence men have spread propaganda convincing conservative individuals that adopting an Amish lifestyle is essential for surviving an impending dystopia. Those who have fallen victim to this mentality feel virtuous in their decision to distance themselves from capitalism and embrace a rural "commune" lifestyle which will ultimately lead to their enslavement. In essence, their ambition is enviro-communism.

Both the fringe left and cringe right movements are unknowingly converging towards the same destination without comprehending the pre-planned future awaiting them.

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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2024, 02:24:24 pm »
Carbon Dioxide was chosen to be for the greenunists what "Goldstein" was to 1984.

A boogieman, an enemy that could be attacked again and again for "two minutes hate".

Alinsky's "Rule 13":
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy."

How can "CO2" defend itself?
Unless one is well-versed in science or chemistry, who is going to argue FOR it?

It's become something of a McGuffin [a la Hitchcock] -- a useful diversion to win the hearts and minds of useful idiots...

Yep, and CO2 is involved directly or indirectly with every aspect of life - all life. It's the perfect lever of control as long as everyone buys into the scam.
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Re: How did the obsession with decarbonization arise?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2024, 10:25:51 pm »
Let's just start a new conspiracy theory (for want of a better name) and say the people pushing this crap are just the mind slaves of alien overlords trying to remake the planet so they can invade without all those nasty breathing filters...
It should go through the X-files types like wildfire.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis