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6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding
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6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding
 
By Tara MacIsaac, Epoch Times

We’ve lost the secret to making some of history’s most useful inventions, and for all of our ingenuity and discoveries, our ancestors of thousands of years ago are still able to baffle us with
their ingenuity and discoveries. We have developed the modern equivalent of some of these inventions, but only very recently.

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1.  Greek Fire: Mysterious Chemical Weapon
The Byzantines of the 7th to 12th centuries hurled a mysterious substance at their enemies in naval battle. This liquid, shot through tubes or siphons, burned in water and could only be extinguished with vinegar, sand, and urine. We still don’t know what this chemical weapon, known as Greek fire, was made of. The Byzantines guarded the secret jealously, ensuring only a select few knew the secret, and the knowledge was eventually lost altogether.

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Re: 6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2025, 03:52:19 pm »
2. Flexible Glass: A Substance Too Precious
Three ancient accounts of a substance known as  vitrum flexile, flexible glass, are not clear enough to determine that this substance actually existed. The story of its invention was first told by Petronius (63 AD).

3. An Antidote to All Poisons
A so-called “universal antidote” against all poisons was said to have been developed by King Mithridates VI of Pontus (who reigned 120–63 BC) and perfected by Emperor Nero’s personal physician. The original formula was lost, explained Adrienne Mayor, a folklorist and historian of science at Stanford University, in a 2008 paper, titled “Greek Fire, Poison Arrows & Scorpion Bombs: Biological and Chemical Warfare in the Ancient World.” But ancient historians told us that among its ingredients were opium, chopped vipers, and a combination of small doses of poisons and their antidotes.

4. Heat-Ray Weapon
Greek mathematician Archimedes (212 BC) developed a heat-ray weapon that defied the skills of Discovery Channel’s “Mythbusters”. Mayor described the weapon as “ranks of polished bronze shields reflecting the sun’s rays at enemy ships.”

5. Roman Concrete
The vast Roman structures that have lasted thousands of years are testaments to the advantages Roman concrete has over the concrete used nowadays, which shows signs of degradation after 50 years.

6. Damascus Steel
In medieval times, swords made of a substance called Damascus steel were being produced in the Middle East out of a raw material, known as Wootz steel, from Asia. It was perplexingly strong. It wasn’t until the Industrial Revolution that metal so strong would be forged again.






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Re: 6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2025, 04:21:04 pm »
2. Flexible Glass: A Substance Too Precious
Three ancient accounts of a substance known as  vitrum flexile, flexible glass, are not clear enough to determine that this substance actually existed. The story of its invention was first told by Petronius (63 AD).

CE:  FLEXIBLE CLEAR PLASTIC IS COMMONPLACE AND THE EQUIVALENT.

3. An Antidote to All Poisons
A so-called “universal antidote” against all poisons was said to have been developed by King Mithridates VI of Pontus (who reigned 120–63 BC) and perfected by Emperor Nero’s personal physician. The original formula was lost, explained Adrienne Mayor, a folklorist and historian of science at Stanford University, in a 2008 paper, titled “Greek Fire, Poison Arrows & Scorpion Bombs: Biological and Chemical Warfare in the Ancient World.” But ancient historians told us that among its ingredients were opium, chopped vipers, and a combination of small doses of poisons and their antidotes.

CE:  IMPOSSIBLE  TOO MANY DIFFERENT POISONS WITH WILDLY DIFFERENT CHEMICAL PROPERTIES AND TOXICITIES PREVENT ANY SUCH ANTIDOTE.  THE ANCIENTS WERE VERY LIMITED IN EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE RANGE OF POISONS MUCH LESS COUNTERING EVERY ONE.  HYDROGEN CYANIDE KILLS IN SECONDS.  NO ANTIDOTE IS FAST ENOUGH./size]

4. Heat-Ray Weapon
Greek mathematician Archimedes (212 BC) developed a heat-ray weapon that defied the skills of Discovery Channel’s “Mythbusters”. Mayor described the weapon as “ranks of polished bronze shields reflecting the sun’s rays at enemy ships.”

RANKS OF MIRRORS ON THE ROAD TO LAS VEGAS REFLECT THE SUNS RAYS AT A TOWER MELTING SODIUM.

5. Roman Concrete
The vast Roman structures that have lasted thousands of years are testaments to the advantages Roman concrete has over the concrete used nowadays, which shows signs of degradation after 50 years.

WORLD WAR II BUNKERS AT NORMANDY LOOK PERFECT.

6. Damascus Steel
In medieval times, swords made of a substance called Damascus steel were being produced in the Middle East out of a raw material, known as Wootz steel, from Asia. It was perplexingly strong. It wasn’t until the Industrial Revolution that metal so strong would be forged again.

IF DAMASCAS STEEL WERE THAT DURABLE, WE WOULD FIND AT LEAST ONE SUCH BLADE TODAY AND ANALYZE ITS ALLOY.
   DIAMOND IS STILL THE HARDEST MATERIAL KNOWN.
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Re: 6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2025, 04:35:46 pm »
Damascus steel is well known and is created all the time in custom knife making and blacksmithing. I own several.

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2025, 04:38:07 pm »
2. Flexible Glass: A Substance Too Precious
Three ancient accounts of a substance known as  vitrum flexile, flexible glass, are not clear enough to determine that this substance actually existed. The story of its invention was first told by Petronius (63 AD).


A lightweight flexible glass would be a terrific replacement for plastic... And when discarded, would be ground down and recycled or turned back into sand.

That would be a beautiful thing.

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2025, 05:33:25 pm »
Damascus steel is well known and is created all the time in custom knife making and blacksmithing. I own several.

The subject says "beyond modern understanding."

Not so much......

If you think the ancients knew alloys better than we do today, you're a Biden kinda guy.....
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2025, 05:40:12 pm »
The greatest invention ever is the Thermos.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2025, 05:43:49 pm »
The subject says "beyond modern understanding."

Not so much......

If you think the ancients knew alloys better than we do today, you're a Biden kinda guy.....

Oh, but there ARE mysteries beyond our understanding... Cyclopean architecture as a primary instance - They moved and shaped stone blocks (often andecite - very hard) That we cannot even begin to pick up... Ancient steel is better than ours and can be eons in the ground without rusting. Those are hard facts. We don't know.

My commentary must be couched in specificity.  happy77
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2025, 05:47:43 pm »
The greatest invention ever is the Thermos.

Close. I would vote for the humble pot.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2025, 05:51:30 pm »
Oh, but there ARE mysteries beyond our understanding... Cyclopean architecture as a primary instance - They moved and shaped stone blocks (often andecite - very hard) That we cannot even begin to pick up...

Two things I find impossible

1)  Building the pyramids without mortar

2)  Transporting 80-ton statues to Easter Island
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2025, 05:56:36 pm »
Two things I find impossible

1)  Building the pyramids without mortar

2)  Transporting 80-ton statues to Easter Island

Oh *ALL* of that ancient stonework puzzle is a conundrum... the pyramids and Easter island are but gateway drugs.  happy77

What is more interesting to me is pyramid construction literally all around the world and it's made even more marvelous if you count mastabas. World wide. That speaks to world wide commerce way back in the day... and empires lost in time.

There's sumerian artifacts in mexico, dude!  That's crazy.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2025, 06:06:44 pm »
6 Advanced Ancient Inventions Beyond Modern Understanding

1. Common sense
2. Decency
3. Integrity
4. Honor
5. Loyalty
6. Character

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2025, 06:41:43 pm »
Oh, but there ARE mysteries beyond our understanding...  Ancient steel is better than ours and can be eons in the ground without rusting. Those are hard facts. We don't know.

My commentary must be couched in specificity.  happy77

Actually, it is likely that they used surface iron ore which in colonial times and up to the metal drive during WWII produced products that did not rust - many chisels were  found in niches in stone walls that do not rust. I found a Model A block without the head on a piece of property I once owned that had been sitting out in the weather for at least 40 years which had valves that were not rusted.

Surface iron ore deposits were struck by lightening over the millennia and manganese was formed in the ore - or that's how I remember the explanation. Tools made with this ore did not rust. What happened to the rustless tools and so on? They were donated to the WWII scrap metal drive and made into Liberty ships, which were sunk.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2025, 06:50:00 pm »
Actually, it is likely that they used surface iron ore which in colonial times and up to the metal drive during WWII produced products that did not rust - many chisels were  found in niches in stone walls that do not rust. I found a Model A block without the head on a piece of property I once owned that had been sitting out in the weather for at least 40 years which had valves that were not rusted.

Surface iron ore deposits were struck by lightening over the millennia and manganese was formed in the ore - or that's how I remember the explanation. Tools made with this ore did not rust. What happened to the rustless tools and so on? They were donated to the WWII scrap metal drive and made into Liberty ships, which were sunk.

They just made better steel before the eighties... I remember well into the 90's scouring folks #1 piles for Early American steel... It didn't rust as bad(still rusted) and cut like butter. A lot of that was making it at higher temps to be sure it melted well and combined well... It was not uncommon back in the day to be running your torch down a piece of Jap plate and run into a slag pocket or ball bearing, or spring or something. I was there for that transition, when American steel was all but gone and we were buying used rather than buying the new Jap crap.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2025, 07:09:06 pm »
Actually, it is likely that they used surface iron ore which in colonial times and up to the metal drive during WWII produced products that did not rust

I was speaking by the way, about a hammer found in a chunk of coal - Think how old that has to be - anyhow, it's about a 2lb anvil hammer by design but was made using a chlorine process we don't understand and can't imitate. THAT hammer has been in the ground longer than all the nations we know, and had not aged or rusted at all.

Splain that to me. OOPARTS are awesome. And totally prove an alternate history.

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2025, 09:08:59 pm »
Damascus steel is well known and is created all the time in custom knife making and blacksmithing. I own several.
That is not the same as the ancient Damascus, but made by folding and refolding dissimilar steels to produce laminations. (I'm not going into cable damascus).
The Ancient form (Google Wootz) was made from crucible steels, and the differences existed on a crystalline level. There have been tremendous efforts to reproduce that steel, but they have not yet succeeded.

Good discussion here:https://www.reddit.com/r/Blacksmith/comments/ix1u5w/classic_damascus_vs_modern_damascus_vs_good_high/?rdt=50456
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2025, 11:52:11 pm »
That is not the same as the ancient Damascus, but made by folding and refolding dissimilar steels to produce laminations. (I'm not going into cable damascus).
The Ancient form (Google Wootz) was made from crucible steels, and the differences existed on a crystalline level. There have been tremendous efforts to reproduce that steel, but they have not yet succeeded.

Good discussion here:https://www.reddit.com/r/Blacksmith/comments/ix1u5w/classic_damascus_vs_modern_damascus_vs_good_high/?rdt=50456

I stand corrected.  happy77 :beer: