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Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?

Yes, I just don't see a Reagan type Leader on the Horizon
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No, we can recover from this BS
7 (25%)
My GrandMother thought the Flappers took it too far
2 (7.1%)
It's more Complicated than that; another BS corbe poll (stoner option)
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Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« on: February 16, 2024, 09:54:51 pm »
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2024, 10:00:21 pm »
Yes! We can recover. Will we recover? Not a chance.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2024, 12:38:28 am »
The problem with the poll is the assumption that the People need a leader to follow.

That's no where near true.

It's the People that need to turn around and go the way of our fathers.
And yes, it can happen, in the blink of an eye.

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2024, 02:26:51 am »
Yes! We can recover. Will we recover? Not a chance.

There are two chances, a slim chance and a fat chance!

I am afraid things have reached the point that any transition back to the Republic, as intended, will be ugly if it ever happens.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2024, 10:16:16 am »
I think you  need a "maybe" option in your list.

*I* think it all depends on what happens come the next election.

IF Trump wins,America MIGHT stand a chance of surviving.

If he doesn't win,there is no chance at all of America surviving as a nation of free and independent people.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2024, 10:44:04 am »
I think you  need a "maybe" option in your list.

*I* think it all depends on what happens come the next election.

IF Trump wins,America MIGHT stand a chance of surviving.

If he doesn't win,there is no chance at all of America surviving as a nation of free and independent people.
We will all be slaves,and the government will be our massa.


Messianic nonsense.

Nah. In fact, the culture is driving the politics. Not the other way around.
DEI is being chased out of Corporate America - Thanks not a whit to Tumpy.
In fact, Tumpy is on the wrong side of it. Absolutely tone deaf, standing with Disney and Butt Light.

Doctors who stood against COVID vaxx are winning cases.
Again, Tumpy is tone deaf. He will never admit that because of his efforts to shove through those vaxxes And recommend everybody take em.

Tumpy is not rebellion from the system. Tumpy thinks he can run the system better.
He is wrong. Stone dead wrong.

The rebellion is those who stand against the system - Plowing a new way.
That is not Tumpy or his movement.


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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2024, 11:20:29 am »
Messianic nonsense.

Nah. In fact, the culture is driving the politics. Not the other way around.
DEI is being chased out of Corporate America - Thanks not a whit to Tumpy.
In fact, Tumpy is on the wrong side of it. Absolutely tone deaf, standing with Disney and Butt Light.

Doctors who stood against COVID vaxx are winning cases.
Again, Tumpy is tone deaf. He will never admit that because of his efforts to shove through those vaxxes And recommend everybody take em.

Tumpy is not rebellion from the system. Tumpy thinks he can run the system better.
He is wrong. Stone dead wrong.

The rebellion is those who stand against the system - Plowing a new way.
That is not Tumpy or his movement.

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Uh,huh.

And the solution to all this is to do like you,and have a hissy-fit and not vote?

People like you are the problem,NOT the solution.

However,I WILL grant you the possibility  that your (and my) votes won't be counted,anyway.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2024, 11:28:06 am »
Complications are plentiful and evilness continues to prevail.  The only way we are going to recover is by Divine Intervention.  I continue to pray for a miracle.  :patriot:

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2024, 11:33:55 am »
@roamer_1

Uh,huh.

And the solution to all this is to do like you,and have a hissy-fit and not vote?

People like you are the problem,NOT the solution.

However,I WILL grant you the possibility  that your (and my) votes won't be counted,anyway.

To the contrary. To CONTINUE to vote for that which I do NOT believe in is the problem.
I will not do it. Not ever again.

Your big government is no better than the Democrats. It is the same dang thing.

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2024, 11:36:16 am »
Complications are plentiful and evilness continues to prevail.  The only way we are going to recover is by Divine Intervention.  I continue to pray for a miracle.  :patriot:

Oddly enough, I continue to have more hope than most.
Of course it takes an act of God, but that can happen in an instant.


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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2024, 11:43:15 am »
Yes! We can recover. Will we recover? Not a chance.

The only hope I see is a default on the debt, a total collapse of the American economy, and an end to reliance on the federal government.  Only then we can we hit 'reset'.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2024, 11:48:31 am »
The only hope I see is a default on the debt, a total collapse of the American economy, and an end to reliance on the federal government.  Only then we can we hit 'reset'.

@Hoodat

Which will surely result in anarchy and riots in the streets.

Don't think so?

What do any of you think will happen when SS and other retirement checks stop arriving and all the banks are closed?

Which  means,of course,no food is delivered,hospitals are closed,and every single other bad thing you can think of begins to happen  on a daily basis.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2024, 11:50:09 am »
Oddly enough, I continue to have more hope than most.
Of course it takes an act of God, but that can happen in an instant.

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2024, 11:52:11 am »
What do any of you think will happen when SS and other retirement checks stop arriving and all the banks are closed?

America returns to its senses and begins to realize that government was the problem, not the solution?
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2024, 11:54:20 am »
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2024, 12:02:36 pm »
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2024, 12:10:23 pm »
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Exactly... And even now the smell of it is in the air... Corporations rejecting DEI... Colleges returning to SATs... The PEOPLE - not any movement - The People rejecting woke companies...

All it needs is for someone to draw a hard line, and it could swing hard the other way in an instant.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2024, 12:13:45 pm »
The only hope I see is a default on the debt, a total collapse of the American economy, and an end to reliance on the federal government.  Only then we can we hit 'reset'.

IF the American economy collapses, it will be felt on a global scale with other economies collapsing. We need to go back to the gold standard before this indeed happens.  Otherwise, it's curtains for this Republic as I foresee either China or Russia overtaking us; likely China.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2024, 12:14:59 pm »
Exactly... Ad even now the smell of it is in the air... Corporations rejecting DEI... Colleges returning to SATs... The PEOPLE - not any movement - The People rejecting woke companies...

All it needs is for someone to draw a hard line, and it could swing hard the other way in an instant.

Before '20 "woke" was preceived as a popular societal term in the venacular. 

Now not even the most hard core lefties use it anymore.  It and what it stands for has been proven "toxic".  We are turning the corner toward sanity, but have we turned too late?
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2024, 12:19:09 pm »
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WHY?

Your God allowed that to happen.

It was directed to @roamer_1 .  I wasn't thinking of you when I posted it.  I would never expect you to understand.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2024, 12:25:31 pm »
Is this a worthy attempt?

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2024, 12:25:37 pm »
Before '20 "woke" was preceived as a popular societal term in the venacular. 

Now not even the most hard core lefties use it anymore.  It and what it stands for has been proven "toxic".  We are turning the corner toward sanity, but have we turned too late?

Too soon to tell - I can't even say the turn is made, or even about to be made. But IF it happens, I can say I expect a hard turn... Kids are turning back to what their grandfathers knew... Looking for the old ways... Them that will. If that continues, it will be like a tidal wave.

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2024, 12:31:18 pm »
IF the American economy collapses, it will be felt on a global scale with other economies collapsing. We need to go back to the gold standard before this indeed happens.
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Otherwise, it's curtains for this Republic as I foresee either China or Russia overtaking us; likely China.

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Is it still considered to  be "overtaking us" if we open  the doors wide and invite them in?

We now have factories that WERE operating in America,operating in China,and they even have the American management and technical staff living in China in order to maintain the equipment and teach  the Chinese how to do it themselves.

I know of a meatpacking plant in norther Va that  was sold to the Chinese,taken apart,and shipped to China to be put up again there. I know this because I bought an antique truck from the guy that used to be the maintenance foreman there,and asked him why he was selling everything he had. He told me the Chinese had given him a 5 year contract to  live in China to help them get the plant reassembled and to teach them how to keep it working.

For some reason,this idiot  seemed proud of this.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2024, 12:32:20 pm »
It was directed to @roamer_1 .  I wasn't thinking of you when I posted it.  I would never expect you to understand.

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2024, 12:35:03 pm »
Messianic nonsense.

Nah. In fact, the culture is driving the politics. Not the other way around.
DEI is being chased out of Corporate America - Thanks not a whit to Tumpy.
In fact, Tumpy is on the wrong side of it. Absolutely tone deaf, standing with Disney and Butt Light.

Doctors who stood against COVID vaxx are winning cases.
Again, Tumpy is tone deaf. He will never admit that because of his efforts to shove through those vaxxes And recommend everybody take em.

Tumpy is not rebellion from the system. Tumpy thinks he can run the system better.
He is wrong. Stone dead wrong.

The rebellion is those who stand against the system - Plowing a new way.
That is not Tumpy or his movement.

This pointing-up pointing-up

Earthly souls are looking for their personal messiah and for some strange reason, they chose Trump to latch onto

But you’re right. It’s the people not the politicians. The politicians just stand in the way


And the rebellion against Bud Light is a perfect example. No political figure lead that. In fact, the GOP nominee opposed the boycott
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2024, 12:39:04 pm »
Is this a worthy attempt?

Yes…. and no

They just need to toughen penalties for sex crimes against children without the death penalty part and force democrats to go on record opposing it
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2024, 12:50:44 pm »
@Hoodat

Sorry for interrupting a private conversation. I thought it was public.

No reason to apologize.  It is a public conversation.  That particular comment however wasn't directed at you.  It is no different than you directing a comment about military experience to another poster that happens to be a veteran.  But if it helps, do not click on that '2 kings' link, @sneakypete.
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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2024, 12:51:26 pm »
BTW, I still chose the stoner option
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2024, 12:52:18 pm »
Tumpy is not rebellion from the system. Tumpy thinks he can run the system better.
He is wrong. Stone dead wrong.

The rebellion is those who stand against the system - Plowing a new way.
That is not Tumpy or his movement.

Spot on.  100% accurate.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2024, 12:54:26 pm »
You all want to save this country?  Then take away Congress' ability to borrow money.  Do that, and it all ends today.  Because without exception, every single thing you complain about is funded with borrowed money.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2024, 01:55:02 pm »
And the rebellion against Bud Light is a perfect example. No political figure lead that. In fact, the GOP nominee opposed the boycott


That's why it caught my attention... Like a laser beam. That was the real thing. The unopposed king of beers - nothing even close, by 30 friggin points... Over night, a pariah. A laughing stock.

The People did that. All at once, all over the nation, MEN... A type, beer drinking MEN just all at once, walked off. ALL OF THEM. No one told em to... It's like a bell went off.

It was something to behold. And a bellwether... A tattle-tail if you would, showing surely, which way the wind was blowin.

That's where hope can be found.

And the ladies too, soon after, all at once, pissed off at Target...

It's a thing.

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2024, 01:58:19 pm »
You all want to save this country?  Then take away Congress' ability to borrow money.  Do that, and it all ends today.  Because without exception, every single thing you complain about is funded with borrowed money.

I'll step in right here with my original cry:

THROW_THE_BASTARDS_OUT. ALL OF THEM. EVERY ONE.

When y'all get there, we'll be walking together.

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2024, 02:44:35 pm »
At the point where we can no longer service the debt, I see a national split, then likely a war as the blue states throw a tantrum that anyone dare not live under their leadership.
The Republic is lost.

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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2024, 02:48:29 pm »
At the point where we can no longer service the debt,

We already can't service the debt.  We can't even borrow the money to service the debt.  We are doing it by printing up new money out of thin air.
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2024, 02:50:54 pm »
We already can't service the debt.  We can't even borrow the money to service the debt.  We are doing it by printing up new money out of thin air.

I should clarify - the point where interest rates are at double digits and our currency is mostly good for only fireplace starter.
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2024, 03:53:27 pm »
I should clarify - the point where interest rates are at double digits and our currency is mostly good for only fireplace starter.

Remember the Carter years?  Double digit interest rates. Also, balloon mortgage rates because no one could afford homes. CD interest rates were high though and those that had the money to dump into a CD at that time made some change.

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2024, 05:04:19 pm »
Remember the Carter years?  Double digit interest rates. Also, balloon mortgage rates because no one could afford homes. CD interest rates were high though and those that had the money to dump into a CD at that time made some change.

And then the Rust Belt crash. A great deal of the Midwest has never really recovered from it.
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2024, 05:30:23 pm »
Remember the Carter years?  Double digit interest rates. Also, balloon mortgage rates because no one could afford homes. CD interest rates were high though and those that had the money to dump into a CD at that time made some change.

The difference between the Carter years and now is that back then, to cover deficit spending the government had to borrow money from whomever already had existing dollars and were willing to lend those dollars at those rates.  Today, they don't need existing dollars.  They simply print their own.  And for those interest rates?  I seriously doubt they are paying them since there is no legal reason those debts will be repaid.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2024, 06:00:12 pm »
The difference between the Carter years and now is that back then, to cover deficit spending the government had to borrow money from whomever already had existing dollars and were willing to lend those dollars at those rates.  Today, they don't need existing dollars.  They simply print their own.  And for those interest rates?  I seriously doubt they are paying them since there is no legal reason those debts will be repaid.

It will be interesting to see how the rollover of $10T debt this year will go down. If there aren't buyers rates will have to go up to entice them, which makes me wonder if the Fed won't just buy them up to prevent that. Which won't help their balance sheets, but I suspect whatever they do or not do they will try to manipulate the resulting crash to convert us to the social credit e-currency system they want to implement.
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2024, 02:48:56 am »
Hmmm...the financial doomsday is just over the horizon.  That horizon might be five years away, ten years, or next week.  It all has to do with the collapse of the dollar, which is inevitable.  There is no escaping it!!!

And Donald Trump will NOT save the day.  Trump gets elected, and I don't see it happening, he will have one of the worst lame duck presidencys of all time.  Why?  Does anyone here really believe Congress will cooperate with him any more than they did before during his first term?  If you do, you are delusional.  The moment he takes the oath, and the political world will begin the process of planning his replacement.

Contrary to Trump's LIES, the two most important promises fell far short of being realized.  He promised DAY ONE to end the H1-b Visa Program.  Months into his first term, he sat with the tech billionaire oligarchs, and INCREASED the number of H1-b Visa recipients.  I have worked on tech projects where 90% of the folks on the project were here in the USA from India, taking jobs from American white collar workers.

If the H1-b Visa program ended, I could work until I am 100 years of age.  Now, I am lucky to get three months of contract work a year.

Trump failed miserably to complete the wall on the southern border.  He did 440 miles on a 2,000+ mile border.  FAILURE!!!  If he did not alienate everyone that crosses his path, perhaps he could have done more, but his idiot mouth creates more enemies with his caustic nature than friends.

OUR REPUBLIC IS FINISHED.  ALL OF YOU HOPING FOR A POSITIVE FUTURE ARE LIVING IN THE PAST.  Too many internal enemies that routinely commit treason.  You have the globalists, the Democommies, whose entire leadership has gone communist and downright stupid, you have our idiot young, who those 45 and under, a large segment think socialism is a good thing!    Ugggh!  And you have the Biden Idiocracy, which is about as corrupt as an administration can be.  Like Obama's years, they answer for none of their wrong doing!!!  According to Biden, we have the best economy ever!!!

You have the big enemies having formed the BRICS nations, which is outperforming the G7 for commerce.  Who would have ever imagined this?  WHEN WE COLLAPSE, IT WILL BE ALMOST A NON EVENT, FOR WE WILL BE INCONSEQUENTIAL!!!

And courtesy of the Glass Steagal repeal, that harsh collapse will make the Great Depression look like the good ole days, primary difference, only 130 million people suffered through those hard years.  When we collapse, we will have somewhere between 350 - 400 million near starving people.  Believe me, it will not be pretty and may well end up much like the movie The Road, where we kill each other for crumbs.

8 STATES WILL MAIL BALLOTS TO EVERY PERSON FOR THE NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION.  GUARANTEED CHEATING.  GUARANTEED!!!  Including some 30,000+ dead, who will most certainly vote.

2020 WAS A FIXED ELECTION.  NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO CHANGE THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN IN 2024.  You all are delusional to believe in fair elections.  They no longer exist at the national level.  And the Republicans are going to save the day?  Bullsh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OUR REPUBLIC IS FINISHED.  ALL OF YOU HOPING FOR A POSITIVE FUTURE ARE LIVING IN THE PAST.  Too many internal enemies that routinely commit treason.  You have the globalists, the Democommies, whose entire leadership has gone communist and downright stupid, you have our idiot young, who those 45 and under, a large segment think socialism is a good thing!    Ugggh!  And you have the Biden Idiocracy, which is about as corrupt as an administration can be.  Like Obama's years, they answer for none of their wrong doing!!!  According to Biden, we have the best economy ever!!!

You have the big enemies having formed the BRICS nations, which is outperforming the G7 for commerce.  Who would have ever imagined this?  WHEN WE COLLAPSE, IT WILL BE ALMOST A NON EVENT, FOR WE WILL BE INCONSEQUENTIAL!!!

And courtesy of the Glass Steagal repeal, that harsh collapse will make the Great Depression look like the good ole days, primary difference, only 130 million people suffered through those hard years.  When we collapse, we will have somewhere between 350 - 400 million near starving people.  Believe me, it will not be pretty and may well end up much like the movie The Road, where we kill each other for crumbs.

8 STATES WILL MAIL BALLOTS TO EVERY PERSON FOR THE NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION.  GUARANTEED CHEATING.  GUARANTEED!!!  Including some 30,000+ dead, who will most certainly vote.

2020 WAS A FIXED ELECTION.  NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO CHANGE THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN IN 2024.  You all are delusional to believe in fair elections.  They no longer exist at the national level.  And the Republicans are going to save the day?  Bullsh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2024, 04:28:27 pm »
It will be interesting to see how the rollover of $10T debt this year will go down. If there aren't buyers rates will have to go up to entice them, which makes me wonder if the Fed won't just buy them up to prevent that. Which won't help their balance sheets, but I suspect whatever they do or not do they will try to manipulate the resulting crash to convert us to the social credit e-currency system they want to implement.

You think the Fed gives a damn about its balance sheet?  LOL

It's all play money to them.  Beginning in 2009, the role of the Fed changed.  Their only purpose now is to fund the federal government.  That's it.  Sure, they slap it to banks every once in awhile when inflation starts creeping up.  But never do they step in and threaten Congress with shutting down the printing presses when they are about to pass some outrageous spending bill.
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2024, 05:09:17 pm »
You think the Fed gives a damn about its balance sheet?  LOL

It's all play money to them.  Beginning in 2009, the role of the Fed changed.  Their only purpose now is to fund the federal government.  That's it.  Sure, they slap it to banks every once in awhile when inflation starts creeping up.  But never do they step in and threaten Congress with shutting down the printing presses when they are about to pass some outrageous spending bill.

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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2024, 05:11:01 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2024, 04:50:47 pm »
The problem with the poll is the assumption that the People need a leader to follow.

That's no where near true.

It's the People that need to turn around and go the way of our fathers.
And yes, it can happen, in the blink of an eye.
If the Rapture occurs?  THAT blink of an eye?

Meanwhile, the real solution is for Americans to reject the SOVIET UNION'S definition of "Separation of Church and State", which JFK and his commie Warren SCotUS forced onto us from 1960-1962.

Return to the pre-1962 AMERICAN definition of "Separation"; as so clearly defined by Jefferson, in which the People are vigiliant to keep the STATE from over-riding, censoring, and lording it over The Church.

Prime example: Government classifying all churches as 501(c)3 non-profits, right alongside Planned Parenthood and every other far-left loon organization you can imagine.

Are Christian churches the same as Planned Parenthood? Oh, and why is government allowed to give away hundreds of millions annually to Planned Parenthood and its ilk, while FORBIDDEN from spending even ONE PENNY in connection with anything considered to be "Christian"? I mean, they're both 501(c)3 organizations...

Also LBJ's 1953-era legislation mandating that Christian pastors cannot discuss anything "political" from the pulpit without losing their 501(c)3 status....why is THAT monstrosity still on the books and being (selectively) enforced over 70 years later?

We could go on and on.

The OLD Soviet Union died in 1991.

The NEW Soviet Union--which we in what was once called "America" have long lived in---is still alive and....well, NOT doing so fine.

It's dying, also.

Like the Old Soviet Union, we are running out of other people's money to spend...


Meanwhile, get back to me if you can ever unbrainwash Americans into rejecting all the Communist propaganda concerning "Separation of church and state" they were force-fed inside their government-run schools from k-12...


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"Separation of church and state! Ain't it great? It's our fate! To "tolerate." Oh, the cultures we'll create! Celebrate! Our horrid fate! Separation of church and state! It's so great! To humiliate..."

Chorus line (repeat three times): "Not so great." :(

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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2024, 04:58:15 pm »
If the Rapture occurs?  THAT blink of an eye?

Meanwhile, the real solution is for Americans to reject the SOVIET UNION'S definition of "Separation of Church and State", which JFK and his commie Warren SCotUS forced onto us from 1960-1962.

Return to the pre-1962 AMERICAN definition of "Separation"; as so clearly defined by Jefferson, in which the People are vigiliant to keep the STATE from over-riding, censoring, and lording it over The Church.

Prime example: Government classifying all churches as 501(c)3 non-profits, right alongside Planned Parenthood and every other far-left loon organization you can imagine.

Are Christian churches the same as Planned Parenthood? Oh, and why is government allowed to give away hundreds of millions annually to Planned Parenthood and its ilk, while FORBIDDEN from spending even ONE PENNY in connection with anything considered to be "Christian"? I mean, they're both 501(c)3 organizations...

Also LBJ's 1953-era legislation mandating that Christian pastors cannot discuss anything "political" from the pulpit without losing their 501(c)3 status....why is THAT monstrosity still on the books and being (selectively) enforced over 70 years later?

We could go on and on.

The OLD Soviet Union died in 1991.

The NEW Soviet Union--which we in what was once called "America" have long lived in---is still alive and....well, NOT doing so fine.

It's dying, also.

Like the Old Soviet Union, we are running out of other people's money to spend...


Meanwhile, get back to me if you can ever unbrainwash Americans into rejecting all the Communist propaganda concerning "Separation of church and state" they were force-fed inside their government-run schools from k-12...

 :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:

Did I say welcome aboard @scottfreitas
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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2024, 05:18:50 pm »
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:

Did I say welcome aboard @scottfreitas
Thank you.

Yet preaching to the choir never feels like it resolves anything.

I have no doubt easily, hmm, 80%+ of Americans have no complaints with how "Separation of Church and State" in America is defined and implemented.

After all, it lines up with everything their schools taught!

Worse, now we have millions of muslims to contend with. Something the Founders never anticipated... though both Jefferson and Quincy Adams warned Posterity at great length how incompatible islam was and would be with our Constitution. The two could never be reconciled, they warned, and to allow islam into America would be to surrender Federalism to islam, for islam would demand and settle for no less...

Just look at Britain and France to see our political future, as islam continues to grow and spread in influence.

I do love the schadenfreude concerning the fates that await your typical Leftist under islamic political influence, though.

"Do  not be deceived; God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows, that will he also reap..."

As with all Scripture, the above is hard-wired into the universe. It is inescapable, unavoidable...







"Separation of church and state! Ain't it great? It's our fate! To "tolerate." Oh, the cultures we'll create! Celebrate! Our horrid fate! Separation of church and state! It's so great! To humiliate..."

Chorus line (repeat three times): "Not so great." :(

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Re: Is America too far gone Culturally to Recover?
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2024, 05:56:50 pm »
If the Rapture occurs?  THAT blink of an eye?


No, in that case almost all hope is gone here on the earth. We could go a while on that topic, but no. I mean that the culture can easily turn on a dime, back to what is the American norm. It can happen.

I will hilariously offer 'Bud Light' as an example toward hope. No, seriously. it is both incredibly funny and somehow apropos that it took 'messin with our beer' to move the spirit of Men to simultaneously reject the culture being imposed... And women followed suit - There's a thing there, that it takes men to lead - But the women followed suit with Target.

The impact of that, with no 'movement' leading it, is still rippling through the halls of power. That was no leader... In fact your boy is on the wrong side of all that.. That was The People, plain as day.

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Meanwhile, the real solution is for Americans to reject the SOVIET UNION'S definition of "Separation of Church and State", which JFK and his commie Warren SCotUS forced onto us from 1960-1962.

Return to the pre-1962 AMERICAN definition of "Separation"; as so clearly defined by Jefferson, in which the People are vigiliant to keep the STATE from over-riding, censoring, and lording it over The Church.


Accepted, heartily, with emphasis. But that is written. I am speaking to soul. It don't matter what is written if the law is ignored. And we are a lawful people. We WANT law and order (myself somewhat excepted as a product of the holler). But it is long past time to stop listening to the letter of the law and start listening to the prophets.

People have a Gandalf-ian view of what a prophet is. That ain't altogether right. They come with miracles to show they come with the authority of Yah, but that ain't the point. They come to stand in the breach. they come to tell the people the difference between the law of Yah and the traditions of Men, when the written 'law' of men has transgressed the Law of Yah.

But first, stumbling America would have to understand and quit listening to the laws of the churches and see the prophet... Because the churches have long ago written the prophet off.

Old Ezekiel is laying naked in the streets, building his sand castles and cooking his dinner on shit, and the churches of America will lift their skirts so as not to dirty themselves as they sidle around him.

And that right there is where the rubber is hitting the road.

"I sought for the key to the greatness of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." -Alexis de Tocqueville

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Prime example: Government classifying all churches as 501(c)3 non-profits, right alongside Planned Parenthood and every other far-left loon organization you can imagine.

MORE than that, the CONTROL the government exercises AGAINST 503c churches... Speech is curtailed at the pulpit. THAT's the money shot.

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Also LBJ's 1953-era legislation mandating that Christian pastors cannot discuss anything "political" from the pulpit without losing their 501(c)3 status....why is THAT monstrosity still on the books and being (selectively) enforced over 70 years later?

 pointing-up There it is. Big-ass YUP.

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We could go on and on.

Yes in fact we could. Simpatico. This is a sweet tea on the porch discussion, and it would take gallons.  :beer:

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The OLD Soviet Union died in 1991.

The NEW Soviet Union--which we in what was once called "America" have long lived in---is still alive and....well, NOT doing so fine.

It's dying, also.

Like the Old Soviet Union, we are running out of other people's money to spend...

You ain't wrong, but it goes so much deeper than that, dude. But remember the wheat and the tare. They grow together in the same field. This ain't a new Communist Soviet Union. This ain't the fourth Reich rising (though it is both). This is Babylon, all over again, again.

If you want to see the truth of it, read the testimony of Ray Ray LaVey, and the church pastor that helped her get  away from her father into the saving grace of Yeshua.

That battle, by that one horse little church, all alone in the desert will show you a battle that most churches are not ready to even recognize. But it's surely coming. To us all.

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Meanwhile, get back to me if you can ever unbrainwash Americans into rejecting all the Communist propaganda concerning "Separation of church and state" they were force-fed inside their government-run schools from k-12...

Like I said... It can turn on a dime. And in that I hold out hope. Not in the like of any political messiah.
We need revival. That comes of the Spirit, not from politics. And oddly, Bud Light, the bellwether.
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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2024, 06:25:29 pm »
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Like I said... It can turn on a dime.


It can but it will not short of God's intervention.

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And in that I hold out hope.

I don't hope because I know what the outcome is going to be.

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Not in the like of any political messiah.

Agreed! But that doesn't mean we should quit trying.

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We need revival. That comes of the Spirit, not from politics. And oddly, Bud Light, the bellwether.

I'm not getting the Bud light connection here. People understand beer but the vast majority have no idea as to what has been done to them over the course of the last century and a half.
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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2024, 06:28:24 pm »
"Do  not be deceived; God cannot be mocked. Whatever a man sows, that will he also reap..."

As with all Scripture, the above is hard-wired into the universe. It is inescapable, unavoidable...

That's almost right.

There is Repentance.
Nineveh comes to mind.

They were hanging the skins of their enemies on the city walls and openly worshiping the gods with human sacrifice... Blatantly and in full view.

Yet they were spared.

So yes, the option is getting vanishingly small. But the option is always there. And in that, my only hope.