Trump’s VP Pick

[roamer_1]

Actually I am praying for a miracle.  Also I continue to pray that the Lord God Jesus Christ stops the evil that keeps prevailing in this country.

First, you have to stop voting for it. 

[roamer_1]

Nope.

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Interesting insight, and I concur... With all but that last part.

The only way to beat this thing is grassroots and righteous... Think TEA Party.
The politics of it all are a side show.
And it will never ever occur chasing after the lesser evil.

[libertybele]

First, you have to stop voting for it. 

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

[roamer_1]

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

Oh yeah... That wasn't pointed at !YOU!
I normally don't run into this problem, tending toward 'y'all and all y'all' in my speech.
But both of those limited the statement to folks on this board... So I used 'you' in the very broad indirect sense.

My apologies.  Your self is not in question. Ever.

[Bigun]

I have no intention of voting for it.  I thought I've been pretty clear on that. As of now, unless things drastically change for some reason, I will only be voting for conservatives down ballot.

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

[roamer_1]

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

FALSE.

Crap sandwich vs. Turd burger argument. And it is false.

[DB]

Not voting is voting just as not speaking is speaking.

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Deitrich Bonhoeffer

It is speaking. It is saying neither has EARNED my vote. Until enough people demand that the Republicans EARN their vote you won't get anything different. The failure to speak against both parties in the voting booth is why we are here as a country. Instead people vote in fear accepting what little less damage that gets done to them. Remember that quote about safety and liberty?

[scottfreitas]

It is speaking. It is saying neither has EARNED my vote. Until enough people demand that the Republicans EARN their vote you won't get anything different. The failure to speak against both parties in the voting booth is why we are here as a country. Instead people vote in fear accepting what little less damage that gets done to them. Remember that quote about safety and liberty?

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

[Hoodat]

Is 'Michelle Obama' the phencyclidine option?

[scottfreitas]

Is 'Michelle Obama' the phencyclidine option?

One thing's for sure: the fact she is the leading pick by a landslide so far shows the few respondents are NOT in any way taking the poll seriously.

[DB]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

Incorrect. Get enough people not willing to vote or fund your party and either they have to change or die. I'm going to vote. I'm voting DeSantis in the primary. Until more people have the courage to withhold their vote despite the short term consequences we're going to continue down the long term road of destruction. Essentially by voting for the lesser evil you are voting for a little more safety at the cost of long term liberty.

Hence: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

That's what voting for the lesser evil is. You might get a little more safety with Trump but you'll be sacrificing more liberty either way. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years.

[bigheadfred]

One thing's for sure: the fact she is the leading pick by a landslide so far shows the few respondents are NOT in any way taking the poll seriously.

Most of the polls come with a "stoner option" and it is usually noted as such.

[roamer_1]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

I will step in here to remind you that your vote is your endorsement. That is all it can ever be. By definition.

So 'voting against' is bullcrap. You can only vote *for*.

Your politician will not reckon your vote as a vote against his opponent, but only as a vote *for* him.

To couch it otherwise is error.

So you are in effect and in practice voting for MORE damage to liberty and to treasure when you vote for Tumpy... Because that is his record, and that is his veiled promise - veiled in that he still believes he did the right thing wrt pandemic and vax, So he'd do the same thing again. And veiled in his enthusiasm for trillions of dollars invested in 'freedom cities'.

You can't go in thinking you'll get something different than he already has done on the record.

So you'll throw the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives under the bus.
And if you win that way, don't expect either to be resurrected. Ever. You done run them over.

As for me... I will NOT vote against libertarians and fiscal conservatives. I will not endorse a candidate that treated them so very poorly. I will heed their cry. I will follow with them.

And that means I will not, cannot endorse Tumpy.

[Bigun]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

100% correct!

[mystery-ak]

no Tulsi Gabbard optiom...

[Bigun]

FALSE.

Crap sandwich vs. Turd burger argument. And it is false.

No! It most assuredly is not false!

[GtHawk]

Your idea is an automatic failure, though.

No party cares about non-voters.

Parties and politicians care very much if you vote AGAINST them.

But not voting at all?

LOL, has been their response for as long as voting has ever existed, anywhere, and you ain't gonna change that.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with Party efforts to recruit new voters. I'm talking about Party attitudes towards people who simply do not and will not vote at all. LOL!! along with eyerolls and headshakes has been their response to that all throughout history, and I see no reason to believe it will change.

It's funny, over years I have seen the argument go from stay home, don't vote and teach the bastards a lesson(this was referring to republicans) but once Trump came on the scene it morphed into not voting for Trump was voting for Hillary and now Biden. Nobody gets my vote without earning  I voted for Trump twice but I just can't do it again, his lack of impulse control, his lying about and attacks on real Conservatives is something I can't ignore any longer, nor his rubber stamping insane spending. I will vote, down ticket but as of now if my choices at the top are Trump or Haley? I might just Hibernate for the next cycle. Besides, people like me have been told repeatedly that The Great Orange One doesn't need our votes, challenge accepted I will test the hypothesis 

[bigheadfred]

no Tulsi Gabbard optiom...

This poll was started when Tulsi was still a democrat...

[Bigun]

I will step in here to remind you that your vote is your endorsement. That is all it can ever be. By definition.

So 'voting against' is bullcrap. You can only vote *for*.

Your politician will not reckon your vote as a vote against his opponent, but only as a vote *for* him.

To couch it otherwise is error.

So you are in effect and in practice voting for MORE damage to liberty and to treasure when you vote for Tumpy... Because that is his record, and that is his veiled promise - veiled in that he still believes he did the right thing wrt pandemic and vax, So he'd do the same thing again. And veiled in his enthusiasm for trillions of dollars invested in 'freedom cities'.

You can't go in thinking you'll get something different than he already has done on the record.

So you'll throw the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives under the bus.
And if you win that way, don't expect either to be resurrected. Ever. You done run them over.

As for me... I will NOT vote against libertarians and fiscal conservatives. I will not endorse a candidate that treated them so very poorly. I will heed their cry. I will follow with them.

And that means I will not, cannot endorse Tumpy.

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

[DB]

100% correct!

And you are stuck in a trap you can't get out of because you are willing to trade a small short term gain in safety for a loss in long term liberty. Those massive debts both Trump and Biden ran up dramatically tightened the bindings on us all, crushing our future. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years. You can make excuses "he didn't know", etc. but that was his job to find out and lead. He failed terribly.

[DB]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

And where are we now?

[roamer_1]

No! It most assuredly is not false!

Yes it is false.

I may be forced to eat a Turd burger because I didn't volunteer to eat the crap sandwich instead. But in the end, they are the same damn thing, and I will choose to eat NEITHER. If I am later forced to eat either one (and believe me that force can come from either side), That's on y'all or on them. Not on me.

I 'll hold out for a nice turkey and swiss on the brioche roll from the deli down the street.

I will not endorse the crap sandwich. YOU go eat it.

[libertybele]

Interesting that Michelle Obama has the highest percentage of votes.

No way Trump would select her.

[roamer_1]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

And here we are.
That is why we have politicians instead of statesmen.

I aim to change that paradigm. My endorsement comes with Conservative strings.
You want that vote, then put up a Conservative.

[Hoodat]

BS! 100% USDA Grade A!  I am 75 years old and have voted in every election to come along after I was of age. I have voted FOR exactly two presidents in that period. All the rest have been AGAINST the greater evil.

My 2016 vote for Darrell Castle was not only a vote against the greater evil, it was a vote against the lesser evil as well.

[Bigun]

Yes it is false.

I may be forced to eat a Turd burger because I didn't volunteer to eat the crap sandwich instead. But in the end, they are the same damn thing, and I will choose to eat NEITHER. If I am later forced to eat either one (and believe me that force can come from either side), That's on y'all or on them. Not on me.

I 'll hold out for a nice turkey and swiss on the brioche roll from the deli down the street.

Go ahead! Please let us know when you get it!

[roamer_1]

And you are stuck in a trap you can't get out of because you are willing to trade a small short term gain in safety for a loss in long term liberty. Those massive debts both Trump and Biden ran up dramatically tightened the bindings on us all, crushing our future. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years. You can make excuses "he didn't know", etc. but that was his job to find out and lead. He failed terribly.

And where are we now?

That's right. 

[roamer_1]

My 2016 vote for Darrell Castle was not only a vote against the greater evil, it was a vote against the lesser evil as well.

Me too. I gave him money.

[roamer_1]

Go ahead! Please let us know when you get it!

I've got it right now.

[Bigun]

And you are stuck in a trap you can't get out of because you are willing to trade a small short term gain in safety for a loss in long term liberty. Those massive debts both Trump and Biden ran up dramatically tightened the bindings on us all, crushing our future. Trump did more damage to liberty in 2020 than any President in the last 50 years. You can make excuses "he didn't know", etc. but that was his job to find out and lead. He failed terribly.

CONGRESS does appropriations! The president does not and that is how its supposed to be.

[libertybele]

My 2016 vote for Darrell Castle was not only a vote against the greater evil, it was a vote against the lesser evil as well.

I just checked and the Constitution Party only has ballot access so far in 13 states.  That is pretty pitiful and so darn disheartening. 

Just so that it is understood;

Ballot access is generally free and open to all candidates running as Republicans and Democrats.   Alternative parties and independents have other steps they must follow which vary from state to state.  These steps are often expensive, time-consuming, and convoluted, and are designed to keep alternative voices from the ballot.

https://constitutionparty.com/elections/ballot-access/

Secondly, I checked their website and nowhere does it list which candidate(s) is running for President.  All I could find is a registration for the National Presidential Nominating Convention in St. Lake City UT being held in April.

Not a good sign at all, the Constitution Party has never been able to have ballot access in all 50 states; they've come close, but for the '24 election it is looking very bleak.

They are on the ballot in FL, but not knowing the candidate, I can't cast my vote for someone I don't have any idea who they are.  Perhaps after April, they'll hopefully announce a presidential candidate. Usually by now it's been announced who is at least running. 

[Hoodat]

CONGRESS does appropriations! The president does not and that is how its supposed to be.

The President spends the appropriations.  Congress does not.  And that is how it is supposed to be.

Enforcement of the law rests exclusively with the Executive Branch.  And that includes spending money that Congress has appropriated.

[Bigun]

I've got it right now.

Sure you do! 

You think it's a nice turkey and swiss on the brioche roll but it's really the same crap sandwich everyone else is getting.

[roamer_1]

Sure you do! 

You think it's a nice turkey and swiss on the brioche roll but it's really the same crap sandwich everyone else is getting.

No, it's not... I make my own. I have gone my own way. I have no interest in crap sandwiches or turd burgers. You want me to show up, you'd better improve the dang menu!

[Hoodat]

I just checked and the Constitution Party only has ballot access so far in 13 states.  That is pretty pitiful and so darn disheartening. 

Their convention is in April.  There is no reason to push for a spot on the ballot this far out, especially when the candidate is unknown.

[Bigun]

No, it's not... I make my own. I have gone my own way. I have no interest in crap sandwiches or turd burgers. You want me to show up, you'd better improve the dang menu!

Right! You carry on with that delusion!

[DB]

CONGRESS does appropriations! The president does not and that is how its supposed to be.

You forget that the Republicans controlled both houses when Trump was elected for two years. They spent giving in to Nancy's priorities even though she was in the minority.

In addition, Trump had a veto pen. He did nothing on spending.

Trump was the one sending out checks to everyone one making sure his name was on them when his administration shut everything down. He was the one demanding interest rates be lowered even further. They were far too low far too long.

And I'll add that they did zip to control the southern border in those two years. But you'll just continue to vote for that because the alternative is worse... In the end, worse is what you're voting for.

[libertybele]

Their convention is in April.  There is no reason to push for a spot on the ballot this far out, especially when the candidate is unknown.

Yes, the convention is in April, but that gives them little time to qualify in all 50 states.  Deadlines in states to get onto the ballot have to be met by different dates.  6-7 months isn't a whole lot of time. 

[roamer_1]

Right! You carry on with that delusion!

No delusion. I get the same dang thing either way - So it's the same way. And not the way I will go.
That's why I was heading back to subsistence living.
I already know where this is going.
Because both parties are heading hand in hand the same way.

And y'all want me to vote for that.

NO.

[roamer_1]

Yes, the convention is in April, but that gives them little time to qualify in all 50 states.  Deadlines in states to get onto the ballot have to be met by different dates.  6-7 months isn't a whole lot of time.

They don't have the funds to run long campaigns. It is what it is.

[DB]

People just remain slaves because they are too afraid to walk off the plantation.

[libertybele]

You forget that the Republicans controlled both houses when Trump was elected for two years. They spent giving in to Nancy's priorities even though she was in the minority.

In addition, Trump had a veto pen. He did nothing on spending.

Trump was the one sending out checks to everyone one making sure his name was on them when his administration shut everything down. He was the one demanding interest rates be lowered even further. They were far too low far too long.

That is really important to remember.  Trump wasted those two years.  Nothing was accomplished AND once again I'll bring up the fact that Cruz kept encouraging him to get the wall built.  We all know that Trump waited till a week or so before the new Congress was seated to start pushing for a border wall.  There was no way that Nancy was going to allow him to succeed on his promise of building a wall.  He had to dance around hoops to get funding; he got money to replace existing dilapidated fencing but very little new fencing was built.  Sure, he finally got more $$ and fence was purchased but by then azzhole Joe put a quick end to all of that. 

[Bigun]

You forget that the Republicans controlled both houses when Trump was elected for two years. They spent giving in to Nancy's priorities even though she was in the minority.

In addition, Trump had a veto pen. He did nothing on spending.

Trump was the one sending out checks to everyone one making sure his name was on them when his administration shut everything down. He was the one demanding interest rates be lowered even further. They were far too low far too long.

I don't forget a damned thing @DB particularly the parts where the House and Senate sat on their hands for two years letting Trump slowly twist in the wind. Making sure their inside the beltway con game continued was  FAR more important than doing anything for the American people!

[libertybele]

They don't have the funds to run long campaigns. It is what it is.

I'm not talking about campaigning, I'm talking about just getting onto the ballot.  As I mentioned up thread, a 3rd party needs to meet different requirements, come up with more money and meet different deadlines in each state than those of the DEM party or GOP.  I would be thrilled if for the first time in history the Constitution party had ballot access in all 50 states.

[roamer_1]

But you'll just continue to vote for that because the alternative is worse... In the end, worse is what you're voting for.

And satisfied with that, with nothing gained. Nothing! And terrific damage done! Dammit. Folks got to wake up and demand more. This phony ass kabuki theater 'war' between the sides is total bullcrap. It ain't true. It ain't real.

And while y'all are so intent watching the Big Show, the government is picking your pockets and robbing you blind!!!

[Hoodat]

That is really important to remember.  Trump wasted those two years.  Nothing was accomplished AND once again I'll bring up the fact that Cruz kept encouraging him to get the wall built.  We all know that Trump waited till a week or so before the new Congress was seated to start pushing for a border wall.  There was no way that Nancy was going to allow him to succeed on his promise of building a wall.  He had to dance around hoops to get funding; he got money to replace existing dilapidated fencing but very little new fencing was built.  Sure, he finally got more $$ and fence was purchased but by then azzhole Joe put a quick end to all of that.

And it was precisely because of this that the Republicans lost both houses by the next Presidential election.

[Hoodat]

I don't forget a damned thing @DB particularly the parts where the House and Senate sat on their hands for two years letting Trump slowly twist in the wind. Making sure their inside the beltway con game continued was  FAR more important than doing anything for the American people!

If Trump couldn't lead then, why should we vote for him now?

[roamer_1]

I'm not talking about campaigning, I'm talking about just getting onto the ballot.  As I mentioned up thread, a 3rd party needs to meet different requirements, come up with more money and meet different deadlines in each state than those of the DEM party or GOP.  I would be thrilled if for the first time in history the Constitution party had ballot access in all 50 states.

Right. I know. They don't have the wherewithal. They have to fire up and git er done in a few months. It's all they can do.

And they don't focus on getting on the ballot in states they have no chance at... So they won't lever what little they have toward states that are hard to get in with, unless they have a good chance at a return.

So getting on the ballot in 50 states is not the goal.

[Bigun]

I've grown tired of this circular argument. 

[massadvj]

I have long thought that Trump would pick Ben Carson as his Veep, but lately I am thinking Tulsi. Trump simply cannot resist a hot-looking, media-savvy babe, regardless of her political viewpoint.