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Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« on: January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm »

A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

Read More: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

So explain to me how is Trump going to win without the independents voting for him.  I'm listening.

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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2024, 08:00:14 pm »
On top of that, a swath of Democrat voters are so committed to defeating Trump that they are investing the time to change their voter registrations to vote against him in the GOP Primary.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2024, 08:02:45 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm
A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

Read More: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

So explain to me how is Trump going to win without the independents voting for him.  I'm listening.

Well, certainly some independents won't vote for him.  But then, there's some that won't vote for Biden either so I'm not sure where that gets us.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2024, 08:04:28 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm
A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

Read More: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

So explain to me how is Trump going to win without the independents voting for him.  I'm listening.

Everyone is contemplating that Trump will be the nominee -- I still think it's going to be Haley. 

Should Trump win the nomination, I expect Joe will step down and they'll insert someone else. The left just isn't going to let Trump near the WH.

Either way .... we will continue to see the demise of our country.

Though one needs to reflect back on how things were under Trump -- energy independent, stocked shelves, respect around the world, low unemployment, lower inflation .... that is what Trump is counting on, but I don't think it's going to be enough. Very few of his policies took hold. The border sure as heck never got secured.  :shrug:
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2024, 08:13:44 pm »
Trump is toxic.

Always has been.

Now we pay the price.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2024, 08:15:42 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 23, 2024, 08:13:44 pm
Trump is toxic.

Always has been.

Now we pay the price.

I’d like to think another defeat of Donald Trump would wake up some of his base but we’ve been on a losing streak with him since 2018 and that hasn’t changed their minds yet
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2024, 08:17:03 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 23, 2024, 08:13:44 pm
Trump is toxic.

Always has been.

Now we pay the price.


Yep. Best case is a useless 4 more years governed by EO.
Worst case is 4 more years of Democrat.

Lose, lose.

May as well wander off and hunker down.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2024, 08:18:41 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm
A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

Read More: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

So explain to me how is Trump going to win without the independents voting for him.  I'm listening.

Anecdotal evidence, but I personally know several people who did vote for Trump at least once, but will not be voting for him this time

I voted for him in 2020 but won’t be doing so in 2024. My wife voted for him twice, but will not be voting for him in 2024.

Hey, look on the bright side. Our choices can’t get any worse for 2028 right?
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2024, 08:18:52 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 08:15:42 pm
I’d like to think another defeat of Donald Trump would wake up some of his base but we’ve been on a losing streak with him since 2018 and that hasn’t changed their minds yet

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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2024, 08:27:33 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 08:18:41 pm
Hey, look on the bright side. Our choices can’t get any worse for 2028 right?

Trump again.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2024, 08:40:39 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm


So explain to me how is Trump going to win without the independents voting for him.  I'm listening.

Not just independents

But if a number of Republicans won’t vote for him, were are his votes going to come from?

Blue Dog Democrats? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2024, 08:56:24 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 23, 2024, 08:13:44 pm
Trump is toxic.

Always has been.

Now we pay the price.

And now you know why they call Republicans 'The Stupid Party'.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2024, 09:05:56 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 08:40:39 pm
Not just independents

But if a number of Republicans won’t vote for him, were are his votes going to come from?

Blue Dog Democrats? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!


But MAGA is really popular!
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2024, 09:09:00 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 23, 2024, 08:27:33 pm
Trump again.

Another 4 years of DEMS ruling and we won't need to worry about who's going to run in '28.  This country won't make it.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2024, 09:10:50 pm »
Trump won in 2016 because Hillary was widely hated. Now Trump is the GOP's Hillary.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2024, 09:24:18 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 23, 2024, 09:09:00 pm
Another 4 years of DEMS ruling and we won't need to worry about who's going to run in '28.  This country won't make it.

We’ll make it. The challenges will be greater but we’ve been around for almost 250 years and I doubt the next four years will be the end just because a political party is in charge

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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2024, 09:24:57 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 23, 2024, 09:10:50 pm
Trump won in 2016 because Hillary was widely hated. Now Trump is the GOP's Hillary.

Look, I don't think either party wants to see another Biden/Trump war.  That is why I'm pretty confident that they are going to have Joe step down and insert someone younger, someone of color, someone with name recognition -- I'm still thinking Big Mike.

Again, just my opinion.

For now, Haley v Trump is making Trump and his supporters feel great about things which is exactly what the DEMS want.  IF for some reason Trump can't win -- then, worst case scenario Haley is seated and they can well control her.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2024, 09:26:30 pm »
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2024, 09:32:47 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 09:24:18 pm
We’ll make it. The challenges will be greater but we’ve been around for almost 250 years and I doubt the next four years will be the end just because a political party is in charge

??? They've been in control.  Perhaps they haven't always held a majority, but they have maintained control and they have rendered the GOP incompetent because of leaders like McConnell, Boehner, and Ryan who have sided with them.

Challenges?  NYC, and Chicago are just a glimpse of what our country will look like. 
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2024, 09:36:25 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 23, 2024, 09:32:47 pm
??? They've been in control.  Perhaps they haven't always held a majority, but they have maintained control and they have rendered the GOP incompetent because of leaders like McConnell, Boehner, and Ryan who have sided with them.

Challenges?  NYC, and Chicago are just a glimpse of what our country will look like.

NYC and Chicago have been high crime areas since as long as I remember. The only break NYC got was under Guliani(sp)
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2024, 12:40:26 am »
Quote from: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 08:18:41 pm
Anecdotal evidence, but I personally know several people who did vote for Trump at least once, but will not be voting for him this time

I voted for him in 2020 but won’t be doing so in 2024. My wife voted for him twice, but will not be voting for him in 2024.

Hey, look on the bright side. Our choices can’t get any worse for 2028 right?
You just had to say it! Now for sure 2028 is jinxed :tongue2: :silly:
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2024, 12:49:28 am »
Quote from: libertybele on January 23, 2024, 09:32:47 pm
??? They've been in control.  Perhaps they haven't always held a majority, but they have maintained control and they have rendered the GOP incompetent because of leaders like McConnell, Boehner, and Ryan who have sided with them.

Challenges? NYC, and Chicago are just a glimpse of what our country will look like.
More likely like Tijuana  **nononono*



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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2024, 10:39:59 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on January 23, 2024, 07:57:08 pm
“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

I wish someone would have asked this guy to name the corruption.
And then asked him about the millions that Biden is receiving from China, etc.

In the past, much was said about the "low information voters."
At least as bad is the problem we have with BAD information voters!
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2024, 10:50:24 am »
Quote from: libertybele on January 23, 2024, 08:04:28 pm
Everyone is contemplating that Trump will be the nominee -- I still think it's going to be Haley. 

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Though one needs to reflect back on how things were under Trump -- energy independent, stocked shelves, respect around the world, low unemployment, lower inflation .... that is what Trump is counting on, but I don't think it's going to be enough. Very few of his policies took hold. The border sure as heck never got secured.  :shrug:

Haley? She's losing every election by at least 30 points!

Good short list of the great things Trump did for us.
People need to be reminded of WHAT THEY LIVED
to overcome the rabid, mindless hate that is the essence of the "Democratic" Party.

The border DID get secured! (Mostly.)
Until China Joe unsecured it on day one.
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Re: Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2024, 11:17:22 am »
Honestly, if this turns out to be a two-man race, I think Joe Biden has more headwinds to deal with than Donald Trump. I am not particularly fond of either of them, but Trump's record is far better than Biden's by almost any measure.
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