Live Thread>> Iowa Caucus 2024

[Cyber Liberty]

RON had a much bigger showing than anyone thought, eh?

So did even Haley.  20%?  We were supposed to be satisfied with 12% for one of them as the First Loser.

Anyone have the final tally?  This showed 96% in.  I’m hearing this is “biggest ever” margin for an Iowa caucus.  I thought Dole(!) got 64% margin….this is not that.

Dole got 26% in 1996.  Trump got 51% yesterday.  That is a record, no Republican got >50% before yesterday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Iowa_Republican_presidential_caucuses

[LMAO]

There is no question that Donald Trump has a very passionate base of followers. That was never in doubt and it showed yesterday.

The problem is the opposition also is just as, if not more, passionate to vote against him. And their numbers are greater.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1747111214419685675

[catfish1957]

Phil Gramm (9%)

The last politican in DC who was passionate about fiscal restraint and responsibity.

Too bad Enron duped him and his wife, and ended up being one of his lasting legacies.

[catfish1957]

Wow...  One, I mean one vote away from a 99 county clean sweep .  Why do I find such irony in strange places?

[Right_in_Virginia]

RON had a much bigger showing than anyone thought, eh?

I suppose this depends on how one defines "bigger showing".  It's true Ron lost by only 30 points --- after essentially moving to Iowa so he could proudly follow Grassley's lead and campaign in all 99 of Iowa's counties. Ron met his goal and did, indeed, campaign in all counties.  I'll leave it to others to decide if Ron not winning one of those 99 counties really matters.

Ron's blowing off New Hampshire where he's in fourth place so he can move to South Carolina, beat Nikki on her home turf and, hopefully, relive the magic that was Iowa.

I’m hearing this is “biggest ever” margin for an Iowa caucus.  I thought Dole(!) got 64% margin….this is not that.

You're hearing correctly. 

Trump's 30-point win more than doubles Bob Dole’s 12-point victory over Pat Buchanan in 1996, which had been the widest winning margin for a contested Republican caucus.

[Free Vulcan]

There is no question that Donald Trump has a very passionate base of followers. That was never in doubt and it showed yesterday.

The problem is the opposition also is just as, if not more, passionate to vote against him. And their numbers are greater.

In GOP terms, Trump is practically the incumbent President yet he could barely get over 50% of the vote in a hard Red state like Iowa. His supporters are doing the usual stretchy slidey shifty shuffle games trying to scream about record winning margins, when they are using a false metric to fool people into believing Trump has juggernaut strength that isn't there.

[mystery-ak]

 

Asa Hutchinson Suspends His Campaign: ‘I Stand by the Campaign I Ran’

Former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson formally suspended his presidential campaign on Tuesday following his abysmal performance in the Iowa caucuses.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/16/asa-hutchinson-suspends-his-campaign-i-stand-by-the-campaign-i-ran/

[cato potatoe]

A more apt comparison would be the 1980 Iowa democrat caucus.  Carter won 59-31 over Kennedy, who dogged him for five months.  We will see what happens in New Hampshire.  Christie was pulling 11% when he dropped out.

[the OlLine Rebel]

??????   

From Wikipedia... And Dole's 2 campaigns in Iowa Caucuses.

1988 (February 8): Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%), and Pete DuPont (7%)

1996 (February 12): Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%), and Morry Taylor (1%)

Almost forgot, but back in '87 his Dole's state campaign manager asked me to run his campaign in this quarter of the state.  Way too busy at work, at the time so declined.  Bob Dole was a true war hero, and I really admired him.

Just yesterday on FOX they had something about "record" margins in primaries, and I am positive they listed Dole as 64%.  For what, I don't really know, but assumed it was just Iowa and maybe just Republican.  I wasn't paying full attention and got on too late.  I've had a rough week with procedures and post-procedure pain and numbness; I'm not following very strongly.

[Cyber Liberty]

Just yesterday on FOX they had something about "record" margins in primaries, and I am positive they listed Dole as 64%.  For what, I don't really know, but assumed it was just Iowa and maybe just Republican.  I wasn't paying full attention and got on too late.  I've had a rough week with procedures and post-procedure pain and numbness; I'm not following very strongly.

Prayers for your swift healing!   

[corbe]

   Trump came in 2nd in Iowa in 2016 and went on to win the whole enchilada.  My only consolation.

[Right_in_Virginia]

   Trump came in 2nd in Iowa in 2016 and went on to win the whole enchilada.  My only consolation.

By 3 points, not by 30.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

In GOP terms, Trump is practically the incumbent President yet he could barely get over 50% of the vote in a hard Red state like Iowa. His supporters are doing the usual stretchy slidey shifty shuffle games trying to scream about record winning margins, when they are using a false metric to fool people into believing Trump has juggernaut strength that isn't there.

 

[LMAO]

When the economy started weakening around 2019, Trump lost his mind and got upset with the federal reserve for not cutting interest rates to zero or negative. That would brutalize savers.

Now he says if elected, he would pressure the federal reserve to drop interest rates. What do you think that will do the people’s savings in an inflationary economy?

Trump will not have the luxury of low interest rates for his spending spree. The only option he has is to instruct the federal reserve to print trillions of dollars. And he may not realize this, but printing trillions of dollars and throwing into the economy leads to inflation

It’s criminal how little the “king of debt” really understands the economy.

[Hoodat]

Jack Kemp...another passionate one.

The ONLY reason I voted Dole in '96 was because Kemp was his running mate.  Voted Kemp in the primary in '88.  The Reagan tax cuts were his (and William Roth's) invention.

[DB]

The ONLY reason I voted Dole in '96 was because Kemp was his running mate.  Voted Kemp in the primary in '88.  The Reagan tax cuts were his (and William Roth's) invention.

And Trump was entirely opposed to them. Even went to Capital Hill to testify against them. And some idiots want to compare Trump to Reagan... Polar opposites.

[Hoodat]

   Trump came in 2nd in Iowa in 2016 and went on to win the whole enchilada.  My only consolation.

Huckabee won in 2008, Ron Paul in 2012, and Ted Cruz in 2016.  The one thing I will say for Trump is that he was much better organized this time out than he was in 2016.  If only that would spill over into actual governance, or much less, legal strategy.

[the OlLine Rebel]

And Trump was entirely opposed to them. Even went to Capital Hill to testify against them. And some idiots want to compare Trump to Reagan... Polar opposites.

They say Trump’s as good as or better than Reagan.

Absurd.  No comparison in any aspect.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Prayers for your swift healing!   

Thank you.  It was easier last time.  This 1 is a little more side-effect-ridden.

[libertybele]

Agree with everything that you said. Congratulations are in order for Donald Trump tonight. But conservatives have a long road ahead of them. And it’s gonna have to start at the state and local level to not only  fight Democrats on a lot of these issues, but Trump and his supporters as well.

Conservatives can learn from the State of FL. Conservative governor, conservative legislature -- at the local level I can't emphasize enough that it is imperative to seat conservative school boards.  We must start re-indoctrinating our youth we conservative ideology.

As much as I am disappointed that Trump will be the GOP nominee, I am thankful that we will retain our conservative governor here in FL.

[Cyber Liberty]

Conservatives can learn from the State of FL. Conservative governor, conservative legislature -- at the local level I can't emphasize enough that it is imperative to seat conservative school boards.  We must start re-indoctrinating our youth we conservative ideology.

As much as I am disappointed that Trump will be the GOP nominee, I am thankful that we will retain our conservative governor here in FL.

I said in another thread that I guess we may as well just pack it in.  Cast a protest vote for the Libertarian or something.  I am sure what's left of the GOP can fix it all by 2028, right?

[corbe]

    Not with Trump and Ronna in charge.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1747367740304728554

[libertybele]

    Not with Trump and Ronna in charge.

Ronna in charge?      No worries though, she'll make sure that Trump doesn't get near the WH.