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Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« on: January 09, 2024, 05:40:55 am »
Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
4 hours ago Eric Worrall 
 

“… In Texas, a study with EMPACT Engineering found that 94.5% of the region’s power lines could safely hold double the existing capacity. …”

Barriers and solutions to Australia’s climate crisis

During the global COP28 conference, discussions led by Australia’s Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen once again centered on the need for greater urgency in delivering planned energy generation to accelerate the transition from fossil fuels to reach 2030 and 2050 clean energy targets.

JANUARY 8, 2024 JACK CURTIS

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We need to dismantle the barriers preventing the realisation of 2030 and 2050 targets, with quick action required to resolve Australia’s climate crisis.

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The capabilities of the existing grid are one major avenue yet to be fully leveraged, presenting enormous potential for the accelerated connection of renewable energy by removing our single point of reliance on delayed transmission projects.

Advanced new technologies such as digital modelling and AI are uncovering significant latent capacity within the power lines we already have.

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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2024, 05:42:07 am »
Even if true, it won't be nearly enough if communist politicians succeed in getting rid of fossil fuels. **nononono*
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2024, 01:13:19 pm »
So what does it matter if the grids could handle double the capacity when the Gaia worshipers are doing their damnedest to reduce energy production by 70%? :shrug:
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2024, 01:20:09 pm »
Quote from: GtHawk on January 09, 2024, 01:13:19 pm
So what does it matter if the grids could handle double the capacity when the Gaia worshipers are doing their damnedest to reduce energy production by 70%? :shrug:

Just wait until people start trying to install home battery chargers, and they find out their electrical service panels are not current-rated high enough to accommodate the added load.  This will apply to a lot of homes, because the local substations will be overloaded, too.

The devil is in the details.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2024, 01:27:28 pm »
There are engineering margins on purpose... Use up the margin and failure won't be far behind.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2024, 01:45:50 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 09, 2024, 01:27:28 pm
There are engineering margins on purpose... Use up the margin and failure won't be far behind.

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Exactly.  Knowledge I gleaned from my years in R&D:  Engineering margins are there to prevent failures.  Yes, they can be pushed, and failures are guaranteed if it's done too much.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2024, 01:46:46 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 09, 2024, 01:27:28 pm
There are engineering margins on purpose... Use up the margin and failure won't be far behind.
How dare you bring science into the discussion, it's all about how you feel about the grid :tongue2:
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2024, 01:51:11 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2024, 01:45:50 pm
goopo

Exactly.  Knowledge I gleaned from my years in R&D:  Engineering margins are there to prevent failures.  Yes, they can be pushed, and failures are guaranteed if it's done too much.

Scottie push the Enterprise past its limits all the time.  What's the problem.

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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2024, 03:12:08 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on January 09, 2024, 01:51:11 pm
Scottie push the Enterprise past its limits all the time.  What's the problem.



The series was cancelled before he pressed the margins too far....
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2024, 03:22:40 pm »
Quote from: DB on January 09, 2024, 01:27:28 pm
There are engineering margins on purpose... Use up the margin and failure won't be far behind.

Exactly. Spikes can be pretty wicked at times even if only very brief.

And would a lot of that increase be lost as heat by pushing the lines that hard, or am I wrong?
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2024, 04:19:08 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2024, 03:12:08 pm
The series was cancelled before he pressed the margins too far....

Well, then we need to get some Dilithium Crystals.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2024, 04:57:40 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2024, 01:20:09 pm
Just wait until people start trying to install home battery chargers, and they find out their electrical service panels are not current-rated high enough to accommodate the added load.  This will apply to a lot of homes, because the local substations will be overloaded, too.

The devil is in the details.



I thought about putting one of those new water heaters that heat up instantly. I was informed that the current electric service wouldn't support the device. I got a bid for an upgrade. All I can say is  :terror: If my current system won't support that water heater...I doubt it will charge a car. It reminds me of Green Acres when Lisa could only plug in prenumbered devices so all the electricity would stay on. :laugh:

None of this has been thought out, imho.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2024, 05:30:31 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on January 09, 2024, 04:19:08 pm
Well, then we need to get some Dilithium Crystals.

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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2024, 05:35:20 pm »
Quote from: berdie on January 09, 2024, 04:57:40 pm


I thought about putting one of those new water heaters that heat up instantly. I was informed that the current electric service wouldn't support the device. I got a bid for an upgrade. All I can say is  :terror: If my current system won't support that water heater...I doubt it will charge a car. It reminds me of Green Acres when Lisa could only plug in prenumbered devices so all the electricity would stay on. :laugh:


We had one of those on-demand
None of this has been thought out, imho.

Yes, it reminded me of early Green Acres too!

We had one of those on-demand flash heaters for the water on the second floor, and it performed so badly I had it replaced by a 40-gallon water heater within a few months of buying the Castle.  That was the original design for this house but it was replaced by a fellow who was renting the place out.  He must have hated the tenants.
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2024, 06:52:30 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2024, 05:30:31 pm
Mined by little children on Chinus 4....

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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2024, 10:21:19 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on January 09, 2024, 06:52:30 pm
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Re: Claim: Electric Grids can Handle Double their Rated Capacity
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2024, 10:29:47 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 09, 2024, 03:22:40 pm
Exactly. Spikes can be pretty wicked at times even if only very brief.

And would a lot of that increase be lost as heat by pushing the lines that hard, or am I wrong?
Peak loads: Everyone in that time zone gets home, plugs in their electric cars,  turn on their electric lights, their all electric house warms up, they cook on their electric range or in their microwave, after digging in their electric freezers and fridges, shove their dishes in their electric dishwashers, and settle in in front of their electric entertainment devices, all about at the same time in their 15 minute cities.

Oh, yeah, the grid is really ready for that. Especially as the next Time Zone taps in.

Better crank up the Sun and turn up the Wind, too.
Because now Global Warming will be done with an electric heating element (the grid), not just fire.

And the little kids mining cobalt in Africa will have to add a second shift digging for copper to rewire everything...
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