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Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #500 on: December 02, 2023, 06:55:16 pm »
Winning the future takes more than killing.

Saving your future means killing your enemy's.  Stop the Jew hate you antisemite.
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« Reply #501 on: December 02, 2023, 06:57:18 pm »
Defeating Hamas takes more than meaningless phrases like "Winning the future takes more than killing".
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« Reply #502 on: December 02, 2023, 06:57:41 pm »
Like you could do better...LOLOLOLOL

Bibi basically said that he would not allow a terrorist organization to be put in power over Gaza.  And for some weird reason, @Right_in_Virginia has a problem with that.
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« Reply #503 on: December 02, 2023, 06:59:21 pm »
Bibi basically said that he would not allow a terrorist organization to be put in power over Gaza.  And for some weird reason, @Right_in_Virginia has a problem with that.

I think RiV is a Pali plant.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #504 on: December 02, 2023, 07:05:12 pm »

Winning the future takes more than killing.
If Israel would stop killing and give more land to the people who praise Hitler and publicly call for a worldwide Jewish genocide, then everything would be teddybears and flowers, and unicorns will lead the way to euphoric peace with everyone ... forever.

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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #505 on: December 02, 2023, 08:46:36 pm »
Freed hostages revealed the horrors they had to endure in Hamas captivity, and urged decision-makers to free all of the remaining women and children before it was too late, the Jerusalem Post reports.

Danielle Aloni who was freed after being held hostage for 49 days said that she felt like she was in a "horror movie," and said each day spent in captivity was "an eternity."

"People can die because they simply decided to murder them."


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85-year-old Yocheved Lifschitz said she hardly slept while held against her will in Hamas underground tunnels and got very sick from the food she was given there.

"The oxygen in the tunnels is running out," Lifschitz warned.

Holocaust survivor Yafa Adar, 85, who spent 49 days as a Hamas captive, plead for the immediate release of all remaining hostages.

"I was in that hell, I'm asking, begging, from all decision-makers to get the children out, get everyone out. It's not easy, not for them and not for the families."
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Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin calls out Iranian strikes against U.S.: 'These attacks must stop'

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Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin criticized recent Iranian attacks on U.S. personnel in the Middle East at the Reagan National Defense Forum on Saturday.

Speaking from Simi Valley, California, Austin acknowledged that Iran is "raising tensions" by launching strikes against American forces in Iraq and Syria.

"We will not tolerate attacks on American personnel," Austin stated. "And so these attacks must stop."

"And until they do, we will do what we need to do to protect our troops and to impose costs on those who attack them," he continued.

The defense secretary also spoke about the Israel-Hamas war, arguing that protecting Gazan civilians is "both a moral responsibility and a strategic imperative."

"I personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties and to shun irresponsible rhetoric and to prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank and to dramatically expand access humanitarian aid," Austin added.

Fox News Digital's Liz Friden contributed to this report.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #508 on: December 02, 2023, 09:09:55 pm »
If Israel would stop killing and give more land to the people who praise Hitler and publicly call for a worldwide Jewish genocide, then everything would be teddybears and flowers, and unicorns will lead the way to euphoric peace with everyone ... forever.

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Well, yeah.

We'd have the Dar al Islam, just as soon as they finished killing off everyone else (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Animists, etc.)

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« Reply #509 on: December 02, 2023, 11:15:01 pm »
Winning the future takes more than killing.

So giving Hamas what it wants, the destruction of Israel, wins the future?
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« Reply #510 on: December 03, 2023, 12:18:56 am »
A fair amount of demolition, by whatever means is handy, too.

No doubt about it @Smokin Joe   But, I don't think Netanyahu has yet come to fully appreciate how things have changed.

One change is the shift in Western demographics  --- clearly heard not only on the streets of Western cities, but also in the halls of Western universities and governments.  Netanyahu should recognize Western support is being tangibly diluted.

Another change is the simple passage of time.  Israel won the war 56 years ago and for nearly every one of these years the world has been drawn into every murder at a bus stop, intifada, lead up to war and the after battle critique  --- making this the longest six day war in world history.  It's simply time to end it.

The most significant change, IMO, is Israel's loss of invincibility.   This aura is what allowed Israel to "manage" the Palestinian problem and Arab nations (and Russia) to look the other way whenever Israel sent a sortie to take out airport runways and weapons caches in neighboring countries. 

But, Oct 7 changed all that --- and in the most public, dehumanizing, atrocious ways possible.  A low life group of animals brought Israel quickly to its knees, and by surprise.  Everyone in the ME now knows this:  An Israel victory is no longer a foregone conclusion.  This is why war could likely  spread.   And, Israel's moderate Arab neighbors really don't want this ---

The West (and Arab neighbors) want Israel to destroy as much of Hamas as possible ---- Israel deserves to and it helps the neighborhood.  But, after the bombs and shelling stop, I don't think Israel walks away with the keys to the Gaza house.  I think it becomes part of the State of Palestine.  Netanyahu already proclaiming this will not happen will not help him.  It will ostracize him. 

So, I continue to hope Bibi stops bloviating and starts thinking about how Israel moves forward in the world as it is today.






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« Reply #511 on: December 03, 2023, 01:49:21 am »
No doubt about it @Smokin Joe   But, I don't think Netanyahu has yet come to fully appreciate how things have changed.

One change is the shift in Western demographics  --- clearly heard not only on the streets of Western cities, but also in the halls of Western universities and governments.  Netanyahu should recognize Western support is being tangibly diluted.
Western support is watered down by thuggish protesters who adhere to a fundamental belief system that is incompatible with most Western forms of government, people who despite all the heart wrenching tales of woe, illegally invaded western countries en masse.
In a nutshell, not only was that stupid on the part of those governments to let them in, but to let them establish no-go zones in Western centers of culture is the height of folly, one which may well have Europe longing for another Charles Martel.
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Another change is the simple passage of time.  Israel won the war 56 years ago and for nearly every one of these years the world has been drawn into every murder at a bus stop, intifada, lead up to war and the after battle critique  --- making this the longest six day war in world history.  It's simply time to end it.
Communism was pronounced "dead" a few decades back, but we have had "trained Marxist" let organizations make unholy mayhem of our cities since then. Some ideas, especially bad ones,  never die.
In case you missed it, aside from the blowing up busloads of people with car bombs and suicide bombers, and the occasional random knife/gun attacks, why, it's just as placid as, say, Chicago, or some other American cities. Something about civilians being randomly attacked  (known as "terrorism") that captures the headlines. Like any mass attack, most anywhere. Is that Israel's fault? Seems like the people randomly being attacked are the victims, here.
Keep in mind that Hamas started the latest hostilities, and that Israel is talking like they will end Hamas, and the problem.
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The most significant change, IMO, is Israel's loss of invincibility.   This aura is what allowed Israel to "manage" the Palestinian problem and Arab nations (and Russia) to look the other way whenever Israel sent a sortie to take out airport runways and weapons caches in neighboring countries. 

But, Oct 7 changed all that --- and in the most public, dehumanizing, atrocious ways possible.  A low life group of animals brought Israel quickly to its knees, and by surprise.  Everyone in the ME now knows this:  An Israel victory is no longer a foregone conclusion.  This is why war could likely  spread.   And, Israel's moderate Arab neighbors really don't want this ---
Name one country, anywhere, that never lost a battle, that was never the victim of a surprise attack.

I'll wait.
 
Virtually all of those countries still exist, despite those sneak attacks and initial losses, and they prevailed in the longer conflict. So will it be with Israel.

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The West (and Arab neighbors) want Israel to destroy as much of Hamas as possible ---- Israel deserves to and it helps the neighborhood.  But, after the bombs and shelling stop, I don't think Israel walks away with the keys to the Gaza house.  I think it becomes part of the State of Palestine.  Netanyahu already proclaiming this will not happen will not help him.  It will ostracize him. 

So, I continue to hope Bibi stops bloviating and starts thinking about how Israel moves forward in the world as it is today.

From what I see, I hope Bibi hands them the key to the gate, and that is all that is standing. Face it, this has not happened in some sort of vacuum, foisted on poor, peaceful, unsuspecting innocent Palestinians. They're all in cahoots, Hamas is their selected governing group, and they are such a wholesome group that neighboring nations have thrown open their borders to let the poor, the halt, the lame refugees in. Oh, wait. That isn't happening, and that is the biggest tell of all. None there wants that bunch for next door neighbors in their 'hood. That says a lot. As for Bibi, well, they have put his ass against the proverbial wall. He has to annihilate them as a political entity, if for no other reason than for Israel to regain face after being sneak attacked. Anything less is merciful (and stupid). Whatever remains of them will be rebuilt using US dollars sent to Iran, because they are a useful thorn on the path to peace in the region.
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« Reply #512 on: December 03, 2023, 03:33:29 am »
Western support is watered down by thuggish protesters who adhere to a fundamental belief system that is incompatible with most Western forms of government, people who despite all the heart wrenching tales of woe, illegally invaded western countries en masse.
In a nutshell, not only was that stupid on the part of those governments to let them in, but to let them establish no-go zones in Western centers of culture is the height of folly, one which may well have Europe longing for another Charles Martel.

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I can't argue with any of this pointing-up.  The change in Western demographics is driving the changing political view on Israel and Palestine.  Sometimes I get the feeling that Bibi considers this political shift to be fleeting and an outlier.  IMO, he needs to pay closer attention to this because the shift is real.

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In case you missed it, aside from the blowing up busloads of people with car bombs and suicide bombers, and the occasional random knife/gun attacks, why, it's just as placid as, say, Chicago, or some other American cities. Something about civilians being randomly attacked  (known as "terrorism") that captures the headlines. Like any mass attack, most anywhere. Is that Israel's fault? Seems like the people randomly being attacked are the victims, here.

You may have missed my point, which is simply that people tire of war, especially the same one.  We certainly did after 20 years in Afghanistan ---- and that war started with 3,000 dead American civilians from a sucker punch from terrorists who hated us.  Tiring of war is natural;  healthy even.

Israel has been at this war, in one form of another for 56 years ---- making it the longest six day war in world history.  I want Bibi to read the room and actually see the exhaustion the world has from this. Israel should take its full and justfied retribution against Hamas --- and then end the Six Day War and find the courage to move past it.

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Keep in mind that Hamas started the latest hostilities, and that Israel is talking like they will end Hamas, and the problem. Name one country, anywhere, that never lost a battle, that was never the victim of a surprise attack.

IMO, Israel has had two shields.  The first is the historic, unquestioning financial and armament support from the world's only economic and military superpower. This shield is fraying with alarming speed.  The second shield is the legend of invincibility..  On October 7, Israel did not "lose a battle" --- On Oct 7, Israel lost the supremecy it projected to the world ---- especially to foes.  On Oct 7, David became Goliath.

This is such a profound sea change that if Israel kills every Hamas terrorist, it will not change what the Middle East saw end that day:  The legend of Israel.  Israel is not the toughest kid on the block.  Bibi needs a Plan B.





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'The aim of Israel is to eliminate the control of the Hamas from Gaza, so that the Gaza Strip does not constitute a danger in the future for Israel...not forgetting bringing back all our hostages'

Former Israeli Ambassador to France & Italy Avi Pazner says Israel needs to start thinking about what the day after the war will look like


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ICC Prosecutor, Karim A. A. Khan KC, concludes first visit to Israel and State of Palestine by an ICC Prosecutor: “We must show that the law is there, on the front lines, and that it is capable of protecting all”.

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I have just concluded my first visit to Israel and the State of Palestine. During this mission, I had a simple message: my Office is here to ensure that the protection of the law is felt by all.

I am sincerely grateful for the warmth and openness shown by all those I met with during this visit. The clarity, compassion and courage that victims, in particular, in both Israel and Palestine, demonstrated in explaining their experiences were deeply impactful.  While not investigative in nature, this mission allowed me to listen to their accounts and deepen my understanding of what they experienced.

My visit to Israel was conducted at the request of family members and friends of Israeli citizens who were either killed or taken hostage by Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups on 7 October 2023.   

In both Kibbutz Beeri and Kibbutz Kfar Azza, as well as at the site of the Nova Music Festival in Re’im, I witnessed scenes of calculated cruelty. The attacks against innocent Israeli civilians on 7 October represent some of the most serious international crimes that shock the conscience of humanity, crimes which the ICC was established to address. In my meeting with the families of the victims of these attacks, my message was clear: we stand ready to work in partnership with them as part of our ongoing work to hold those responsible to account.  I also stand ready to engage with relevant national authorities in line with the principle of complementarity at the heart of the Rome Statute. Such engagement, like my visit, would be without prejudice to the position of Israel on jurisdiction, and as a non-State Party to the Rome Statute.

I called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages taken by Hamas and other terror organisations. There can be no justification for the holding of any hostages, and in particular the egregious breach of fundamental principles of humanity through the taking and continued holding of children. Hostages cannot be treated as human shields or bargaining chips.

During my visit to Ramallah, I had the honour to meet separately with their Excellencies President Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, Prime Minister Mr. Mohammad Shtayeh, and Minister of Justice, Mr. Mohammad Shalaldeh.  I underlined to them that it was of real significance to me that this represented the first official visit by an ICC Prosecutor to the State of Palestine, and I expressed my sincere thanks for the official welcome that they provided. Our discussions were highly productive as we look to further deepen our cooperation under the Rome Statute.

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The Islamic State Renews Calls for Attacks on Europe in Wake of Gaza Conflict

Islamist propaganda is working to juice every possible advantage out of the Hamas terror attack against Israel, with calls for attacks against Jews, “crusaders”, and the West being issued.

Muslims who want to liberate Palestine should join the Islamic State, an Afghan IS propaganda newspaper claims, while others call for believers to use absolutely any means at their disposal to launch an attack, even if it’s just punching an unbeliever. The messages encouraging violence and murder are the latest wave of Islamist propaganda that has come since Hamas launched their October terrorist attack against Israel which was followed by a considerable uptick in antisemitism in Western states.

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Israel Kills Hamas Commander Wissam Farhat in Renewed Gaza Offensive

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced Saturday that it had killed Hamas commander Wissam Farhat, who was involved in planning the October 7 terror attack and had been involved in terrorism against Israel for almost three decades.

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New surveillance footage shows Hamas launching attack from sea on Oct. 7
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New surveillance camera footage revealed the moment Hamas managed to reach Israel by sea on Oct. 7.

The clip shows six members of Hamas' naval forces arriving at Zikim Beach via a rubber dinghy and opening fire on the beach.


https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1731058292141482283

Though the IDF stopped most of Hamas' attacks via the sea, some of the terrorists made it to land, killing 17 civilians and at least two dozen soldiers at the beach and at a nearby army base.
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Israel killed Hamas commander who helped orchestrate Oct. 7 attacks in an airstrike: IDF
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Israel killed Hamas commander Wessam Farhat, who helped orchestrate the terrorist organization's Oct. 7 attacks, the IDF and Israel Security Agency said in a release on Saturday.

Israeli Air Force fighter jets killed Farhat in an airstrike after the IDF received intelligence on his whereabouts, the report said.

Farhat, who commanded Hamas’ Shejaiya Battalion, planned the attack on the kibbutz of Nahal Oz and an IDF post on Oct. 7, killing six IDF soldiers, according to the release.

The commander took control of his battalion in 2010.

He was also responsible for a 2002 terrorist attack on Mechinat Atzmona and a 2011 attack on a civilian bus in Nahal Oz.

“Since the beginning of the war, the IDF and ISA have significantly degraded the Shejaiya Battalion’s capabilities, including the elimination of their senior commanders and the striking of terror infrastructure and weapons,” the statement read.
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New surveillance footage shows Hamas launching attack from sea on Oct. 7
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New surveillance camera footage revealed the moment Hamas managed to reach Israel by sea on Oct. 7.

The clip shows six members of Hamas' naval forces arriving at Zikim Beach via a rubber dinghy and opening fire on the beach.


https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1731058292141482283

Though the IDF stopped most of Hamas' attacks via the sea, some of the terrorists made it to land, killing 17 civilians and at least two dozen soldiers at the beach and at a nearby army base.

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Persian Gulf disruption is a major escalation that the goat f-ing Muzzies might think twice before initiating......
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Persian Gulf disruption is a major escalation that the goat f-ing Muzzies might think twice before initiating......

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« Reply #528 on: December 03, 2023, 02:21:09 pm »
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In February of 2021, just a few weeks in office, President Biden removed the terrorist designation for the Iranian backed Houthis.
He then had a press conference declaring that "America is back. Diplomacy is back."
They just attacked us in the Red Sea.
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Idiot Houthis! Iran's Houthi proxies in Yemen wanted to target an Israeli ship, but mistakenly hit a British vessel with no connection to Israel. Serious damage reported in missile strike
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« Reply #529 on: December 03, 2023, 02:46:31 pm »
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Hamas took over 240 hostages during the October 7th attack. So far, only two US citizens have been released. It is believed that there are still around 10 US Citizens being held captive.
One of the freed US citizens was four-year-old Abigail Mor Edan. Her aunt is Elizabeth Hirsch Naftali. Elizabeth purchased one of Hunter Biden’s paintings for $890,000, has donated $200,000 to the DNC and has visited the Whitehouse over a dozen times in the last 18 months.
Joe Biden also appointed her to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad.
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Is this true? I had heard Naftali was a Biden supporter, but this is ridiculous.
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BREAKING: An American warship and multiple commercial ships are under attack in the Red Sea according to the Pentagon.
The warship is reportedly the USS Carney.
“We’re aware of reports regarding attacks on the USS Carney and commercial vessels in the Red Sea and will provide information as it becomes available,” the Pentagon said.
The British military made a statement earlier, presumably about the same incident saying there was a drone attack and explosions in the Red Sea.
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25 minutes ago
Hostage mom was separated from toddler for 10 days: father
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Sharon Konio – who was released by Hamas along with her twin daughters, Yuly and Emma – spent the first days in captivity without knowing where Yuly was, her father, Ramos Aloni told Haaretz.

Sharon, her husband David, and the three-year-old girls were kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7, Aloni explained.

The family of four was together until “[the attackers] grabbed Yuly from her hands,” he continued.

Sharon did not see Yuly for 10 days – and was not even sure if she was alive.

At the end of the first 10 days, Sharon, DAvid and Emma were moved to a different hiding place, Aloni said.

"Sharon says that after a few hours, she hears the crying of a baby, and she tells her husband David, 'This is Yuly's cry,'" he recounted.

About 30 minutes later, a Gazan woman opened the door to their hiding place and brought Yuly to them.

"Since then, they have been together, but for ten days, [Sharon] did not know what was happening with the baby,” Aloni emphasized.
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IDF to update Gaza Strip war plans in light of US demands for reduced civilian deaths
By Olivia Land

The Israel Defense Forces “updated” and “made amendments” to its expanded operations in the southern Gaza Strip following US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken’s visit last week, a diplomatic official told Channel 12 news.

During his visit Thursday, Blinken said that Israel must reduce civilian deaths in Gaza by designating multiple safe zones and avoiding targeting “life-critical infrastructure” such as hospitals, power stations and water treatment plants, the Times of Israel explained.

“We did not ignore the American points, and this will become clear in the coming few days,” the official told the TV outlet.

Israel also decided to allow humanitarian aid to continue entering Gaza at the same levels as during the weeklong cease-fire with Hamas, the report noted.

In his recent phone conversation with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US President Biden supposedly demanded “a kind of condition: In order to receive continued American support for the achievement of the war goals, Israel must prove that all its plans take the civilian population into consideration, that it reduces to a minimum the evacuation of civilians from their homes, and that it works to provide more and more safe areas for non-combatants,” the diplomatic official added.
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Jayapal on Sexual Violence Against Israeli Women: We Don’t Want ‘Hierarchies of Oppression’

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”

Pam Key 3 Dec 2023

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”

Anchor Dana Bash said, “I want to ask you about sexual violence, and it’s kind of remarkable that this issue hasn’t gotten enough attention globally—widespread use of rape, brutal rape, sexual violence against Israeli women by Hamas. I’ve seen a lot of progressive women. Generally speaking, they’re quick to defend women’s rights and to speak out against using rape as a woman of war but downright silent on what we saw on October 7th and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages. Why is that?”

Jayapal said, “I don’t know if that’s true. We always talk about the impact of war on women in particular. In fact, I remember 20 years ago, I did a petition around the war in Iraq.”

Bash said, “Have you talked about it since October 7th?”

Jayapal said, “Absolutely. And I’ve condemned what Hamas has done.”

Bash said, “Specifically against women?”

Jayapal said, “Absolutely, the rape, of course. But I think we have to remember Israel is a democracy. That is why they’re a strong ally of ours. And if they do not comply with international humanitarian law, they are bringing themselves to a place that makes it much more difficult strategically for them to be able to build allies to keep public opinion with them, and morally, we cannot say that one war crime deserves another. That is not what international humanitarian law says.”

Bash said, “With respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas.”

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Jayapal on Sexual Violence Against Israeli Women: We Don’t Want ‘Hierarchies of Oppression’

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”

Pam Key 3 Dec 2023

Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”

Anchor Dana Bash said, “I want to ask you about sexual violence, and it’s kind of remarkable that this issue hasn’t gotten enough attention globally—widespread use of rape, brutal rape, sexual violence against Israeli women by Hamas. I’ve seen a lot of progressive women. Generally speaking, they’re quick to defend women’s rights and to speak out against using rape as a woman of war but downright silent on what we saw on October 7th and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages. Why is that?”

Jayapal said, “I don’t know if that’s true. We always talk about the impact of war on women in particular. In fact, I remember 20 years ago, I did a petition around the war in Iraq.”

Bash said, “Have you talked about it since October 7th?”

Jayapal said, “Absolutely. And I’ve condemned what Hamas has done.”

Bash said, “Specifically against women?”

Jayapal said, “Absolutely, the rape, of course. But I think we have to remember Israel is a democracy. That is why they’re a strong ally of ours. And if they do not comply with international humanitarian law, they are bringing themselves to a place that makes it much more difficult strategically for them to be able to build allies to keep public opinion with them, and morally, we cannot say that one war crime deserves another. That is not what international humanitarian law says.”

Bash said, “With respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas.”

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Why is it so difficult for some to acknowledge the violence, sexual violence, brutal violence and horrific terror that Hamas is using???

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« Reply #535 on: December 03, 2023, 04:55:40 pm »
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."

Panetta is correct.
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I supported the “humanitarian pause” of last week because the return of hostages is so important. It was the right thing to do. But we’ve learned something from this episode. When the pause ended, Hamas responded with a massive barrage of rockets that it only could have launched by commandeering much of the fuel that entered the Strip for “humanitarian” purposes. And undoubtedly it also used the pause to build more rockets. And who knows how many “booby traps” Hamas has set during this period. A “humanitarian” pause is justified to recover hostages but the pause is not fully humanitarian, and it comes at a significant humanitarian toll to Israel.
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« Reply #537 on: December 03, 2023, 05:31:36 pm »
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."

This type of attitude does not exist in the Biden administration. In fact, a percentage of the Biden admin is on the side of the Muslims, against America and Israel.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists

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Hamas took over 240 hostages during the October 7th attack. So far, only two US citizens have been released. It is believed that there are still around 10 US Citizens being held captive.
One of the freed US citizens was four-year-old Abigail Mor Edan. Her aunt is Elizabeth Hirsch Naftali. Elizabeth purchased one of Hunter Biden’s paintings for $890,000, has donated $200,000 to the DNC and has visited the Whitehouse over a dozen times in the last 18 months.
Joe Biden also appointed her to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad.
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Is this true? I had heard Naftali was a Biden supporter, but this is ridiculous.

Unfrigginbelievable.  Corruption on top of corruption.  Pay the Biden's $900k, and you can get your niece back.
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« Reply #539 on: December 03, 2023, 05:36:29 pm »
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."

This type of attitude does not exist in the Biden administration. In fact, a percentage of the Biden admin is on the side of the Muslims, against America and Israel.

Agreed. A very large portion of the Brandon administration is anti-Christian, anti-American and full of 'wokeness'.

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I supported the “humanitarian pause” of last week because the return of hostages is so important. It was the right thing to do. But we’ve learned something from this episode. When the pause ended, Hamas responded with a massive barrage of rockets that it only could have launched by commandeering much of the fuel that entered the Strip for “humanitarian” purposes. And undoubtedly it also used the pause to build more rockets. And who knows how many “booby traps” Hamas has set during this period. A “humanitarian” pause is justified to recover hostages but the pause is not fully humanitarian, and it comes at a significant humanitarian toll to Israel.
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I hate to say, "Duh," but ...

In other words, Conservatives got it right and you got it wrong.  Again.  And more Israelis are now going to die because your wrong decision got implemented.
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The IDF's Arabic-language Spokesman, Lt. Col. Avichay Adraee, threatens Hamas's Shejaiya battalion.

"This is a final notice. You are all targets. You have two options: Surrender and lay down your weapons, or face a fate similar to that faced by Wissam Farhat," Adraee says, referring to the Shejaiya battalion commander who was killed in an Israeli airstrike yesterday.


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How Hamas Makes Rockets against Israel | Qassam
AiTelly  10/18/2023

Disclaimer: This content is intended solely for educational and entertainment purposes, and it does not depict the actual process of rocket production.

How did they manage to create a rocket at home?

First of all they use some common household ingredients, such as sugar and potassium nitrate, which can be easily obtained as a fertilizer.

Then they Start by melting the sugar, mix in the fertilizer, and pour the resulting mixture into a mold to form a properly-sized propellant slug.
This propellant is subsequently placed into a Round Tube, which serves as the rocket's body, typically made from locally available water pipes.

You might wonder why sugar is included in the mix.

Sugar contains a substantial amount of energy, but it releases this energy slowly when it burns, and The fertilizer serves as an oxidizing agent, supplying oxygen.

This allows for a much quicker release of energy.
When the right proportions are used, it burns fast enough to propel a rocket, yet not so quickly as to cause an explosion.


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So how many truckloads of sugar and fertilizer were included in those convoys of "humanitarian" [sic] aid that Biden insisted be let into Gaza?
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https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1731447487821447680

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32 minutes ago
Horrific new stories of Hamas attacks in Israel surface, including rape of woman who screamed to be killed
By Ronny Reyes

A “beautiful woman with the face of an angel’’ was raped by eight to 10 Hamas terrorists in Israel on Oct. 7, while another tragic victim was beheaded with a shovel trying to defend herself, a stricken survivor says.


Survivors have said Hamas raped, killed and kidnapped many women at the Nova music festival.AFP via

Yoni Saadon, a 39-year-old father of four, told the UK’s Sunday Times that he is still haunted by the horrific scenes he witnessed at the Nova Music festival, when the Palestinian fiends slaughtered at least 364 festival-goers, including the gang-raped woman, who begged to be killed.

“I will never forget her face,” he said. “Every night I wake to it and apologise to her, saying. ‘I’m sorry.’ “

Saadon said he eventually joined others who had fled the site and hid in trees and bushes.

That’s when he witnessed two more Hamas gunmen attack another young woman who was fighting back from being stripped, he said.

“They threw her to the ground, and one of the terrorists took a shovel and beheaded her,” Saadon told the UK outlet. “And her head rolled along the ground. I see that head, too.”

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3 minutes ago

The US killed five militants in Iraq as they prepared to launch a drone attack on American forces there, officials said.

The deadly air-strike attack by the US was a “self-defense strike on an imminent threat” near the northern city of Kirkuk, Reuters reported, citing a trio of Iraqi security forces.

The militants were killed as they prepared rockets at a drone staging area, the sources said.

The Islamic Resistance group in Iraq, which represents several groups tied to Tehran, confirmed the deaths -- and vowed to retaliate against the US.
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Report: Israel Penetrates into Southern Gaza, Surprising Hamas

Reports on social media suggested that Israel had cut begun to cut a path across the southern Gaza Strip, entering from the east and progressing toward the Mediterranean coast, effectively dividing Gaza into three smaller sections — north, central and south.

The U.S. had openly opposed an Israeli invasion of the southern Gaza Strip, saying that Israel had to account for civilians first. Whether Israel defied the U.S, or the U.S. participated in the ruse, Hamas does not appear to have expected the southern push.

Israel also released a map to help civilians avoid fighting, with different areas of the Gaza Strip numbered. The U.S. suggested that the map satisfied its concerns, though the administration has at times offered conflicting signals about Israeli tactics.

Reports on social media suggested that Israel had cut begun to cut a path across the southern Gaza Strip, entering from the east and progressing toward the Mediterranean coast, effectively dividing Gaza into three smaller sections — north, central and south.

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Israel-Hamas war: U.S. military kills 'several' Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq

A U.S. official told Fox News that American forces killed "several" Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq near Erbil on Sunday.

According to the official, the militants were observed preparing a drone or rocket attack believed to target U.S. forces. American forces carried out the strike before the weapons could be launched.

The official did not specify exactly how many fighters were killed. The attacks were not pre-planned.

U.S. forces have been attacked at least 75 times in the Middle East since October 17, amid the escalation of the Israel-Hamas war. The incidents have occurred in Iraq and Syria.

Fox News Digital's Liz Friden contributed to this report.
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