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Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
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Nov. 19, 2023

BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentina presidential candidate and economy minister Sergio Massa conceded defeat to far-right libertarian Javier Milei in the country's presidential runoff on Sunday.

"I have called Javier Milei to congratulate him," Massa said from his campaign headquarters in Buenos Aires.
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Libertarian firebrand 𝐉𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐫 𝐌𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐢 has just won the Argentine presidency. I feel like the “Blob,” e.g. the US State Dept. & the CIA must be too distracted at home w/ their domestic destabilization efforts, otherwise they would have prevented this
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2023, 06:29:17 pm »
I don't know anything about him, but he clearly makes the "establishment" (especially the media) quake.
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The disquieting shadow of Javier Milei looms over Argentine democracy
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Sat, November 18, 2023 at 5:14 AM EST
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As Argentina marks 40 years of continued democracy — the longest stretch in its history — a disquieting shadow looms over its political landscape.

The emergence of Javier Milei, a libertarian economist-turned-presidential candidate with a rhetoric steeped in authoritarianism, presents a stark challenge to the nation's democratic fabric.

Milei's ambivalence towards democratic norms is evident. In a television interview, he questioned the efficacy of democracy, citing Arrow's theorem to argue against democratic decision-making. ...

As the second round of the presidential elections approaches on Sunday, the prospect of Milei's presidency raises each and every red flag, posing a grave threat to Argentina's democratic institutions.

Even if he is not elected, his authoritarian ideas and style, like rallying while brandishing a chainsaw, may linger in the country's political discourse, challenging democratic forces to forge a renewed social contract that fosters and expands democracy. ...
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2023, 06:30:43 pm »
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Holy sh*t. Argentina just elected Javier Milei as their next president.
History has been made today.

6:08 PM · Nov 19, 2023

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Prosperity is ahead for Argentina
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2023, 06:34:23 pm »
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Holy sh*t. Argentina just elected Javier Milei as their next president.
History has been made today.

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Do we get copyright fees for him using our Gadsen Flag?   :seeya:
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2023, 08:50:15 pm »
A Libertarian -- perhaps the pendulum will start swinging in a more positive direction around the globe. Now ... if the United States could just seat a conservative.  :patriot:

‘Shock therapy’ libertarian candidate Javier Milei, who ran as outsider, wins Argentine presidential election

https://www.foxnews.com/world/shock-therapy-libertarian-candidate-javier-milei-who-ran-as-outsider-wins-argentine-presidential-election

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2023, 08:54:54 pm »
A Libertarian -- perhaps the pendulum will start swinging in a more positive direction around the globe. Now ... if the United States could just seat a conservative.  :patriot:

‘Shock therapy’ libertarian candidate Javier Milei, who ran as outsider, wins Argentine presidential election

https://www.foxnews.com/world/shock-therapy-libertarian-candidate-javier-milei-who-ran-as-outsider-wins-argentine-presidential-election

Reading the MSM accounts of this guy, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler.
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2023, 09:02:51 pm »
Reading the MSM accounts of this guy, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler.

We'll find out soon enough if his election is a good thing.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2023, 09:59:06 pm »
An authoritarian libertarian is an oxymoron.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2023, 10:04:11 pm »
The nooze media generally refer to him as a hard-right uber-nationalist libertarian.
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2023, 03:10:59 am »
The nooze media generally refer to him as a hard-right uber-nationalist libertarian.
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Well, if the MSM types refer to him that way, I have to wonder.  :shrug:

That stuff is generally reserved for anyone to the right of Karl Marx.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2023, 07:51:41 am »
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2023, 08:24:07 am »
Reading the MSM accounts of this guy, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler.

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If the mainstream media is THAT afraid of him,chances are he is what Argentina needs.

The  hatred and fear of him by the media kinda reminds me of an American Presidential candidate,and his name does NOT start with the letters "De".

Know anybody like that?
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2023, 08:25:43 am »
We'll find out soon enough if his election is a good thing.

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We will find out what direction he wants to take,but he can't do it by himself. He is going to need support.
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2023, 08:29:47 am »
I don't know anything about him, but he clearly makes the "establishment" (especially the media) quake.

What a prejudiced piece.

Not knowing anything about Milei, but note again the contrast between “democracy” and “authoritarianism”.  First note democracy does not mean everything is peachy, and just because a guy doesn’t pitch the communist line, doesn’t make him authoritarian (again as if that’s all bad, and the irony of communists).
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2023, 09:02:10 am »
What a prejudiced piece.

Not knowing anything about Milei, but note again the contrast between “democracy” and “authoritarianism”.  First note democracy does not mean everything is peachy, and just because a guy doesn’t pitch the communist line, doesn’t make him authoritarian (again as if that’s all bad, and the irony of communists).

Absolutely nothing, I mean nothing can be believed from the MSM nowadays.

My method?   Consider everything the MSM reports is a lie, and then work back from there.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2023, 09:24:59 am »
They're acting like Hitler was just elected. I hate these people.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2023, 09:25:52 am »
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Argentina, a large and urban-population focused country of over 45 million, had national election results within an hour of the polls closing.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2023, 09:26:55 am »
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Argentina, a large and urban-population focused country of over 45 million, had national election results within an hour of the polls closing.
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We know which is the real banana republic, and it is right under our noses.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2023, 09:30:18 am »
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Argentina, a large and urban-population focused country of over 45 million, had national election results within an hour of the polls closing.
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Clearly our system, which takes weeks to count, is better. /s

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2023, 09:31:26 am »
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If the mainstream media is THAT afraid of him, chances are he is what Argentina needs.

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2023, 09:33:52 am »
Clearly our system, which takes weeks to count, is better. /s

Because it takes time to manufacture the correct number of ballots to ensure the right people win!.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2023, 09:38:14 am »
Where is the USA version of this guy?

Sure not Trump.  The Fed Deficit ballooned under his watch, and now he is promising Freedom Cites, Baby Bonuses, and Flying Cars to boot.

Short answer....   That animal does not exist (yet) in this country
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2023, 09:42:38 am »
Congratulations to the new Vice President of Argentina 🇦🇷 Vicky Villarruel: Catholic woman, patriot, pro-life, pro-family, anti Agenda 2030, with good values ​​and very clear ideas.

https://twitter.com/CforCatholics/status/1726437433703813271
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2023, 09:42:58 am »
Sure not Trump.  The Fed Deficit ballooned under his watch, and now he is promising Freedom Cites, Baby Bonuses, and Flying Cars to boot.

Short answer....   That animal does not exist (yet) in this country

Welp, hopefully the people he hires are like that.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2023, 09:46:17 am »
Short answer....   That animal does not exist (yet) in this country

Oh! He or she exists for sure but there are too many boots on necks to allow their rise. Also too many on the dole as well.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2023, 09:58:31 am »
Congratulations to the new Vice President of Argentina 🇦🇷 Vicky Villarruel: Catholic woman, patriot, pro-life, pro-family, anti Agenda 2030, with good values ​​and very clear ideas.

https://twitter.com/CforCatholics/status/1726437433703813271

I never thought I would see the day that I would look at Argentina with envy but here I am doing exactly that!
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2023, 10:00:27 am »
I never thought I would see the day that I would look at Argentina with envy but here I am doing exactly that!

She sure beats the shoez lady doesn't she?  Kinda cute I'd say.
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2023, 10:01:36 am »
I never thought I would see the day that I would look at Argentina with envy but here I am doing exactly that!

Well... they're in a lot deeper trouble than we are too. 133% inflation doesn't sound fun.

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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2023, 10:08:44 am »
A quick little blurb from a search for "Milei policies".

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Milei has pledged to “blow up” the political status quo, shutter the central bank, dollarise the economy and massively shrink the state – ideas that have resonated with many voters, especially young voters, after years of economic decline. A former small-time rock musician and athlete, Milei opposes abortion and supports gun rights.
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2023, 10:09:13 am »
Well... they're in a lot deeper trouble than we are too. 133% inflation doesn't sound fun.

It won't be long! There are a few of us around who can see the handwriting on the wall.
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2023, 10:11:01 am »
A quick little blurb from a search for "Milei policies".
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Milei has pledged to “blow up” the political status quo, shutter the central bank, dollarise the economy and massively shrink the state – ideas that have resonated with many voters, especially young voters, after years of economic decline. A former small-time rock musician and athlete, Milei opposes abortion and supports gun rights.

 :yowsa: Ain't that wonderful!
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2023, 11:03:57 am »
The Perons took a sledgehammer to Argentina, and it's unclear what Milei can actually do without congressional support for systemic changes.  After the depression the country was taken by, if you please, "the siren song of populism."  Two shysters who promised the sun, the moon, and the stars with no means of delivering.  Eva mercifully succumbed to cancer (given to her by a philandering caudillo-husband) and Juan was deposed before he could turn the place into a total garbage heap.
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2023, 11:23:23 am »
The Perons took a sledgehammer to Argentina, and it's unclear what Milei can actually do without congressional support for systemic changes.  After the depression the country was taken by, if you please, "the siren song of populism."  Two shysters who promised the sun, the moon, and the stars with no means of delivering.  Eva mercifully succumbed to cancer (given to her by a philandering caudillo-husband) and Juan was deposed before he could turn the place into a total garbage heap.

Peron is called a populist but looking at his policies it's easy to see he was a garden variety leftard.

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2023, 11:30:32 am »
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Congratulations to @JMilei on his becoming Argentina's next president.

This election was a decisive defeat for anti-American forces in the Western Hemisphere and beyond, and an enormous victory for the U.S.-Argentina relationship and for American interests.

I look forward to working with him on deepening the U.S.-Argentina relationship.
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2023, 12:13:37 pm »
Meet Argentina’s new President Javier Milei. First thing you need to know: He absolutely can’t stand leftists.
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2023, 12:15:24 pm »
"You can't give shit leftards an inch"

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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2023, 12:29:48 pm »
Milei is a very interesting man.  Tucker Carlson on Twitter did an excellent interview of Melei.  Well worth listening to.

After you listen to him, one wonders why we do not have a single politician in America that remotely sounds like him.  He is brilliant, as he proves with his many references as he speaks, something no American would do.

One of my neighbors spends most of his time living in Argentina, and he waved his hand about having 130% inflation, like it was nothing.  He indicated most of Argentina is on the big government teat.  Few work, and everyone is paid by the government.  That is the same thing that brought down the USSR.  I tell you, that socialist nonsense is nothing more than shared poverty and pure self destruction.

In listening to Milei, the whole time, you sit there saying to bad he can't run here, for he makes perfect sense with everything he says. 

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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2023, 12:34:19 pm »
Milei is a very interesting man.  Tucker Carlson on Twitter did an excellent interview of Melei.  Well worth listening to.

After you listen to him, one wonders why we do not have a single politician in America that remotely sounds like him.  He is brilliant, as he proves with his many references as he speaks, something no American would do.

One of my neighbors spends most of his time living in Argentina, and he waved his hand about having 130% inflation, like it was nothing.  He indicated most of Argentina is on the big government teat.  Few work, and everyone is paid by the government.  That is the same thing that brought down the USSR.  I tell you, that socialist nonsense is nothing more than shared poverty and pure self destruction.

In listening to Milei, the whole time, you sit there saying to bad he can't run here, for he makes perfect sense with everything he says.

Thanks, but have kind of sworn off Carlson after he boarded the Tump Train.  I did remember his interview with Poland's president.  The press had demonized the guy so badly, I expected some kind of Right Wing gooosestepping zealot.  But no he was even keeled and sounded very reasonbable.

Which leads us to the root cause.  The world wide MSM has gone into collusion mode and purposely is trying to destroy any world leader right of center.
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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2023, 04:11:19 pm »
Clearly our system, which takes weeks to count, is better. /s

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Well,the poll-watchers in OUR system CAN'T finish counting until they know how  many more votes they are going to need to insure a Dim victory.
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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2023, 04:55:24 pm »
More fun with the media responses to Milei's victory:

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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2023, 07:31:35 pm »
Sure not Trump.  The Fed Deficit ballooned under his watch, and now he is promising Freedom Cites, Baby Bonuses, and Flying Cars to boot.

Short answer....   That animal does not exist (yet) in this country

Yep

This guy is promising to slash budgets and government agencies

Trump is promising more spending and growing the government

He also subscribes to the Austrian school of economics. Trump’s philosophy is Keynesian, similar to Obama’s

I’ve seen the media refer to him as the Argentina Donald Trump….no
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2023, 10:19:50 pm »
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Congratulations to Javier Milei on a great race for President of Argentina. The whole world was watching! I am very proud of you. You will turn your Country around and truly Make Argentina Great Again!


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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2023, 11:15:00 pm »
He wants to replace the peso with the US dollar. How wise is that considering that we’re also printing and devaluing our own currency?
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Re: Argentina's Sergio Massa concedes presidential election to Javier Milei
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2023, 06:09:59 am »
He wants to replace the peso with the US dollar. How wise is that considering that we’re also printing and devaluing our own currency?

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Well,he has to do something because the "national dollar" there is mostly useful as toilet paper.

NOT saying he WILL turn to the US dollar because I don't even know how such a thing would be possible,but "Item Number One" SHOULD be replacing his useless currency with  a currency that doesn't require  a wheelbarrow of it  to  buy a loaf of bread.

What we ALL know is that this won't happen  overnight,and it IS going to require the help of other free nations to  get them back on their feet. MOST of that help should be in the form of rebuilding their manufacturing so that people have jobs that pay,and that the state has outside money  flowing in from sales to other nations.

This begins with  people coming to  understand that this IS happening,even if it doesn't happen as quickly  as they  would like. It took generations to  put them in the economic position they are in now,and this isn't going to completely disappear  overnight. Or at all,if the other western nations don't all pitch in and give them a hand.

Which in the long run will help the western nations,too. After all,they can't sell THEIR goods to a nation that has no money to buy  them.
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