America braces for big freeze this winter

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DAILYMAIL.COM
By MARTHA WILLIAMS
3 November 2023

• The NOAA have released new maps to illustrate how a strong El Niño season will affect weather patterns in the U.S.
• El Niño is set to hit the world hard this year - which will cause a drastic change in weather conditions compared to average
• The season's first snow fell down on 17.9 percent of the contiguous U.S. on Wednesday

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12707337/America-snow-maps-El-Nino.html

Looks like we will be shoveling more Global Warming this year than ever.

[roamer_1]

Looks like we will be shoveling more Global Warming this year than ever.

El Niño  means a warm spring-ish winter here in the PacNW... Might not snow much at all... Which is too damn bad for my Canuck friends in BC and Alberta... They need the snow pack badly.

[Smokin Joe]

El Niño  means a warm spring-ish winter here in the PacNW... Might not snow much at all... Which is too damn bad for my Canuck friends in BC and Alberta... They need the snow pack badly.

Maybe we could box some up and send it to them...UPS doesn't heat the trucks.

[mountaineer]

I just watched the local weather. If the predictions are accurate, we won't have much snow.

[roamer_1]

Maybe we could box some up and send it to them...UPS doesn't heat the trucks.

Just put it up on Amazon... Anybody with a Prime account could receive it for free. 

[Smokin Joe]

Just put it up on Amazon... Anybody with a Prime account could receive it for free. 

Is there a duty on snow?

[Polly Ticks]

Is there a duty on snow?

There's doody on snow when my dogs are done.  Does that count?

[libertybele]

There's doody on snow when my dogs are done.  Does that count?

 

[roamer_1]

There's doody on snow when my dogs are done.  Does that count?

 

[Wingnut]

I made a killing in the late 60's shoveling snow. We had 3 years of massive snows.   It was great. Sadly Kids today could never do what we did.

[Wingnut]

Is there a duty on snow?

Don't eat the yellow snow Nanoock  It was a hundred degrees below zero...
(Buh! Buh-buh-dah-dah-dah-dah-bah-duh-duh

[Smokin Joe]

Don't eat the yellow snow Nanoock  It was a hundred degrees below zero...
(Buh! Buh-buh-dah-dah-dah-dah-bah-duh-duh

If it is 100 degrees below zero, the snow won't get yellow. It freezes before it gets there. (Go ahead, ask me how I know! ---and it was only -60 out)

[jafo2010]

I think we are due for a few years of cold winters.  I remember 1977 vividly.  We had over 30 days in the northeast where the temps did not rise up to 32 F for the high.  I froze my *ss off doing consulting work in New Jersey in a chemical plant.

I haven't seen snow for awhile here in Georgia.  We just bought a home in the mountains of North Carolina, and I can see a snow fall that keeps us house bound for a week or so.  I can see it happening easily.

[Sighlass]

I have only seen one big snow in my life, 1993.... two feet of snow, in Alabama... yes Alabama. Yes 24" of snow, threw this area in total ciaos. 

[roamer_1]

I have only seen one big snow in my life, 1993.... two feet of snow, in Alabama... yes Alabama. Yes 24" of snow, threw this area in total ciaos.

Shoot. Two feet, all at once, is nothing to sneeze at. It wouldn't shut us down... but it'd be a bother...

[deb]

Shoot. Two feet, all at once, is nothing to sneeze at. It wouldn't shut us down... but it'd be a bother...

I’d throw on a coat. Maybe some gloves. 

[roamer_1]

I’d throw on a coat. Maybe some gloves. 

HAHA!

Two feet all at once, my plow truck has a problem getting started... Gotta throw it around a bit just to clear enough to operate from... once you get enough cleared out to get a line going, well then it ain't so bad... but getting a hole big enough to push from is a chore, for sure. But doable. Three feet all at once, well then you get out the tractor and figure to spend a whole day at it.

[Gefn]

There's doody on snow when my dogs are done.  Does that count?

Don't eat yellow snow.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

It was never cold in Winter before.  Oh, the horror!

[Elderberry]

Here in South-East Texas El-Nino means wet. Years back during an El-Nino, my property on the banks of the Trinity River was flooded from Thanksgiving to March. I boated in once and my lot had 3 feet of water on it.

[Sighlass]

It has been as dry as I can remember it in a long time here in my part of the South (Bama).... I have took to my taking my nightly leaks outside near the shrubbery just cause it needs the water. Ok, I have always done that, but seriously, I think this year the bush is actually thanking me if I listen real hard.

[mountaineer]

Western New York to get blasted by first significant multiday lake-effect snowstorm of season. Story at NY Post: https://t.co/L6NrBpFvTI

[Wingnut]

Western New York to get blasted by first significant multiday lake-effect snowstorm of season. Story at NY Post: https://t.co/L6NrBpFvTI

Silly migrants.  Hope you don't freeze to death.

[jmyrlefuller]

Western New York to get blasted by first significant multiday lake-effect snowstorm of season. Story at NY Post: https://t.co/L6NrBpFvTI

So far, here in Hochulstan... a dusting. The snow band is tracking further north than originally forecast. Looks like the Southtowns are going to be right in the crosshairs for a while... but it may, and probably will, drift back down to where I'm at.

[Smokin Joe]

Nothing really out of the ordinary in North Dakota, except it warmed up enough for the last snow to melt before we got the current coating.

[240B]

It was never cold in Winter before.  Oh, the horror!

The horror! Oh, the horror! This is more than anyone is 'used to'.

[libertybele]

We got pounded with 10" of rain last night causing flooding as the storm drain couldn't keep up. 

Strange weather we're having right now.

[roamer_1]

three degrees blissfully above zero here.

[deb]

three degrees blissfully above zero here.

Send the warmth our way! 

[roamer_1]

Send the warmth our way! 

it's coming... a big warm front is stacking north behind that cold front...

[bigheadfred]

it's coming... a big warm front is stacking north behind that cold front...

Chinook wind

[roamer_1]

Chinook wind

Wouldn't that be nice... It's coming on the season for the Snow Eaters. 

[bigheadfred]

Wouldn't that be nice... It's coming on the season for the Snow Eaters. 

There is a big push coming pretty much straight out of the west. Every year we get the deep cold then warm then deep cold then it generally starts warming continually. The main problem with this type of deep cold warm deep cold is that a hard ice layer forms on the snow and animals have a much harder time breaking through to forage and we start seeing winter kills.

GOES west satellite imagery is a good source for what is happening.

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/index.php

[Wingnut]

Chinook wind

Seminole Wind.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

Before Global Climate Change, back when hairspray aerosols were eating a hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica, I went sledding in -55F windchills.

Childhood snowsuits were tougher back then.

[mountaineer]

Do younguns even wear snow suits anymore?

[bigheadfred]

Do younguns even wear snow suits anymore?

They do here.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Low 20s on the Texas Gulf Coast last night. I shouldn't complain since there are places where the weather is much worse, but I'm a wimp. In fact, I don't have a coat. Not one that I can find anyway. The important thing is that I have sweaters for my little dog, so at least he's protected when we go into the great outdoors where his bathroom is.

[DefiantMassRINO]

No one lives on the Gulf of Mexico to be cold.

Low 20s on the Texas Gulf Coast last night. I shouldn't complain since there are places where the weather is much worse, but I'm a wimp. In fact, I don't have a coat. Not one that I can find anyway. The important thing is that I have sweaters for my little dog, so at least he's protected when we go into the great outdoors where his bathroom is.

[Elderberry]

I lost all my fruit trees except for one fig tree in the Feb 2021 freeze. Yesterday I was covering my 8 replacement fruit trees. I sure hope they live thru. In that Feb freeze one of the trees I lost was a 30+ yr old Satsuma that had gone thru many freezes before. But that freeze did it in.

[Smokin Joe]

Do younguns even wear snow suits anymore?

When it gets really cold here, they do. But I can't tell you the number of times I have seen them running around in those hip-hop shorts with the temps in the single digits.

I must be getting soft. I like being fully dressed for the weather any more, and being an island of warm amidst the cold. 

[AllThatJazzZ]

I lost all my fruit trees except for one fig tree in the Feb 2021 freeze. Yesterday I was covering my 8 replacement fruit trees. I sure hope they live thru. In that Feb freeze one of the trees I lost was a 30+ yr old Satsuma that had gone thru many freezes before. But that freeze did it in.

@Elderberry

Everyone I know who had citrus trees lost them. Every last one. I have friends who had 11 orange trees. All gone. You think you should be safe in 9A for the most part. For the last 3 winters, not so much.

[Sighlass]

Ok, ya bums, what is the big deal of sending us in Northern Bama freaking 0 degrees... 000 ... Goose eggs... Nada Zilch...

Had to cover the chicken coop, add a heat lamp... cover all the faucets and breath holes in the house... Had to cover our State flower tree (Camellia, or as we call it -- Christmas Rose) in the yard cause last year's 7 degrees nearly killed it.

Zero... and we didn't even get but a dusting of ice for our efforts (some in state got 8 inches of snow). My fireplace is a roaring and I stay up most the night to keep it fed.

EDIT: See my next post.... Some areas down here got down to -20 degrees

[roamer_1]

When it gets really cold here, they do. But I can't tell you the number of times I have seen them running around in those hip-hop shorts with the temps in the single digits.

I must be getting soft. I like being fully dressed for the weather any more, and being an island of warm amidst the cold. 

It's getting caught out that will teach you... Life's a breeze hopping out of a warm truck into a store in your t-shirt... No worries. Get caught 10 miles from town with a busted truck and a long walk... That t-shirt turns out to be surprisingly insufficient. 

Most winters I catch a lot of hell for how many clothes are laying around in my pickup... Been accused of living out of it... Which is kinda true. Nothing comes out of the truck till spring.
But if I get caught out and have that long walk out to town... well, I have enough to be super warm... And probably enough to throw a camp if need be. ALWAYS. All winter long.

Also every winter, I have a 35L pack that I fill up with camp food, mostly mountain house and snickers bars and such. Getting caught out may be an inevitability, But when I do, I prefer hobo-riche.

 

[Sighlass]

I just noticed some places in Alabama at -12 degrees ...... Some places in Northern Mississippi at Minus 20 degrees.... I took a screenshot because it has to be close to an all-time record cold for this region.

BTW... that is colder than the northern states tonight.... Coldest place in continental USA tonight is the boonies of Mississippi (and Alabama). @Roamer

[roamer_1]

I just noticed some places in Alabama at -12 degrees ...... Some places in Northern Mississippi at Minus 20 degrees.... I took a screenshot because it has to be close to an all-time record cold for this region.

BTW... that is colder than the northern states tonight.... Coldest place in continental USA tonight is the boonies of Mississippi (and Alabama). @Roamer

Don't be braggin now... Two nights ago it was -30 here with wind chill down to -66

It's cold, ya'll... but not all that...

Though I reckon it don't fare well for all y'all, with frozen pipes and improper insulation. I imagine it is much more bother since you're not ready for it.

[Sighlass]

Don't be braggin now... Two nights ago it was -30 here with wind chill down to -66

It's cold, ya'll... but not all that...

Though I reckon it don't fare well for all y'all, with frozen pipes and improper insulation. I imagine it is much more bother since you're not ready for it.

Just looked it up.... The coldest temperature ever recorded in Mississippi was -19°F on January 30, 1966, in Corinth. So it might be an all (modern) time record for Mississippi.... (Coldest in Bama was -27 about 55 years ago)

[roamer_1]

Just looked it up.... The coldest temperature ever recorded in Mississippi was -19°F on January 30, 1966, in Corinth. So it might be an all (modern) time record for Mississippi.... (Coldest in Bama was -27 about 55 years ago)

It's odd to me not to prepare for that inevitability... The insulation would help in the summer, and all you'd need to do is move pipes to interior walls (as a matter of construction standards)... After that, all you need is a decent heat source and the temperature wouldn't matter.

Up in here all that is done as a matter of necessity.

[DCPatriot]

Have two dear friends who have been feeding a feral cat colony behind Lake Forest Animal Hospital...on a 2-story hill.

With these single-digit all day temperatures, I don't know how they will survive, let alone thrive.

Thinking of dropping in today to ask the Vet/owner if he'd be willing to allow us to install a plug-in heater inside a homemade shelter  with a 100ft heavy duty extension cord so these little creatures don't freeze to death.



Feasible?  Or not??   

[roamer_1]

Have two dear friends who have been feeding a feral cat colony behind Lake Forest Animal Hospital...on a 2-story hill.

With these single-digit all day temperatures, I don't know how they will survive, let alone thrive.

Thinking of dropping in today to ask the Vet/owner if he'd be willing to allow us to install a plug-in heater inside a homemade shelter  with a 100ft heavy duty extension cord so these little creatures don't freeze to death.

Feasible?  Or not??   

Probably. But mostly just silly.
They're cats, @DCPatriot

Ours live outside all the time. If they have shelter (like stacked hay) and sufficient nutrition, they'll be fine.
Their biggest worry is probably access to water.