Vivek Ramaswamy Comes Out Against Gaza Invasion, Removal of Hamas

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Vivek Ramaswamy Comes Out Against Gaza Invasion, Removal of Hamas

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy announced this week that he opposes Israel’s invasion of Gaza and removal of Hamas, following a massacre by the terror group that left thousands of Israeli civilians killed and scores of Israelis and Americans still held hostage.

“From a U.S. perspective, from an Israel perspective, how is this actually going to achieve a good result?” Ramaswamy told Tucker Carlson in an interview posted Wednesday night on X (formerly Twitter) of Israel’s operation against Hamas currently underway.

"And my concern right now, and as we’re having this conversation, it appears imminent that Israel is going to mount a ground invasion into Gaza. I’m concerned that a ground invasion into Gaza without clearly defined objectives is going to be the start of another no-win war that is not good for Israel, and not good for the United States."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/20/vivek-ramaswamy-comes-out-against-gaza-invasion-removal-hamas/@

First, not surprised in the least at Tucker having a friendly interview with someone who opposes an Israeli invasion.

Second, it reads to me like Ramaswamy's excuse for not backing Israel is that Israel has not explained it's military strategy publicly.

This guy is dangerous.

[bigheadfred]

Dangerous is right.

[Free Vulcan]

Do all these nuts think they can just grin and smirk and do the shifty shuffle two-step?  It's as if the slaughter and massacre of Israelis never happened.

Hamas stepped over a line it cannot come back from, they have went from annoying gnat to existential threat and must be ended.

[Hoodat]

From where Hamas is standing, they think they have won.

[catfish1957]

At the very begining, I was impressed with the guy.  Young smart, business savy, and at least on the surface conservative on base issues.

A year later?  Rank ametuer who doesn't have the maturity or understanding of complex international issues to be within a 1000 feet of the White House. I know he is angling for the VPOTUS spot, and again just another reason not to support Trump. 

[cato potatoe]

I'm not sure what he means.  Invasion is the only viable option unless the Hamas leadership surrenders immediately.  The Israelis cannot be expected to tolerate periodic attacks from their neighbors.  Yes, the invasion will be horrible, and the Israelis are wise to delay until they have wargamed every scenario and have placed all of their resources.

[Smokin Joe]

V.R. (virtual reality?)

Sorry, but how else is Israel supposed to remove this very real threat? Over six thousand missiles? Rape, pillage, murder, and burn? Take hostages?

No one should allow that ever. To allow it to go unaddressed is insanity. To address it will take ground action.

Sorry Vivek, but you just fell off my radar.

I agree that it is primarily Israel's problem to deal with, and the US should stay out of it as much as possible while trying to recover any hostages we can. Supply our allies and not out enemies, but keep our troops out of the line of fire as much as possible.

[mountaineer]

John Cardillo
@johncardillo
He's an absolute foreign policy moron who needs to STFU.
Not our place to tell Israel they cannot invade Gaza.
His policy is pretty much identical to Biden's.

Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
A ground invasion into Gaza with no clear long-term objective is a recipe for a no-win war that will be bad for Israel & bad for the U.S. Debating this issue NOW isn’t anti-Israel, it’s pro-Israel & pro-America. Here’s what I worry is about to happen:
   1. Israel mounts a ground invasion of Gaza imminently. 
   2. Hezbollah strikes Israel from the North, making good on its threat for Israel crossing the red line of invading Gaza.
   3. Once Israel is in a two-front war, the U.S. is effectively forced to engage militarily.
   4. Iran-backed militias in Iraq & Yemen attack U.S. targets in the Middle East, making good on their threats if the U.S. engages in Israel.
   5. Civilian casualties in Gaza cause other countries to turn their backs on Israel, while radicalized Palestinians back Hamas 2.0 to fill the leadership vacuum in Gaza.

[Kamaji]

John Cardillo
@johncardillo
He's an absolute foreign policy moron who needs to STFU.
Not our place to tell Israel they cannot invade Gaza.
His policy is pretty much identical to Biden's.

Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
A ground invasion into Gaza with no clear long-term objective is a recipe for a no-win war that will be bad for Israel & bad for the U.S. Debating this issue NOW isn’t anti-Israel, it’s pro-Israel & pro-America. Here’s what I worry is about to happen:
   1. Israel mounts a ground invasion of Gaza imminently. 
   2. Hezbollah strikes Israel from the North, making good on its threat for Israel crossing the red line of invading Gaza.
   3. Once Israel is in a two-front war, the U.S. is effectively forced to engage militarily.
   4. Iran-backed militias in Iraq & Yemen attack U.S. targets in the Middle East, making good on their threats if the U.S. engages in Israel.
   5. Civilian casualties in Gaza cause other countries to turn their backs on Israel, while radicalized Palestinians back Hamas 2.0 to fill the leadership vacuum in Gaza.

[Wingnut]

Is he looking to win the Hamas Pali vote in the  primarily?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Is he looking to win the Hamas Pali vote in the  primarily?

Wrong party for that.

[GtHawk]

Is he looking to win the Hamas Pali vote in the  primarily?

Sounds like he is all for appeasement of Hamas, how'd that work out for England and Germany? And that wasn't a religious war. There is no road to peace with a barbaric religion and culture, that except for their embracing modern methods to kill is stuck in Medieval mentality. Ramaswammy turned me off a long time ago, his initial conservative statement have been utterly paved over as he exposes his true liberal/socialist leanings. He's just another wealthy socialist who wants us to give up our rights and standard of living while he and those like him continue to live the high life.

[Wingnut]

Wrong party for that.

He may have registered in the wrong  party.  Good thing we found out about his true anti- American vuews.

[Cyber Liberty]

There goes his chances, in flames.

[LMAO]

He may have registered in the wrong  party.  Good thing we found out about his true anti- American vuews.

Early on, he was saying many of the “right” things. But he had no legislative record.

This statement shows that he would probably be just as weak as the Biden administration on the world stage

[DB]

The Israelis stated a very clear objective. The total elimination of Hamas in Gaza. Amateur hour for Vivek.

[deb]

Vivek. All hat, no cattle.

[Wingnut]

Vivek. All hat, no cattle.

He needs all that hat to cover that massive forehead.  WWII vets climbing that sheer cliff in the Guns Of Navarone had it easier than Viveks hat.

[sneakypete]

@Kamaji

I don't get it.

He is actually highlighting genuine  concerns that  SHOULD be thought  out before the US takes ANY military action.

Nobody but a damn fool goes off to  war  unprepared.

I also think the US needs to  work harder  to  get NATO involved,and not get stuck with having to  take on Islam by  ourselves. We do NOT need to be out there "all on our own" with our alleged "Allies" hanging back and  watching.

I would also LOVE to hear and see talks about giving the boot to ragheads in the west. They are not compatible with living in a society of free people,and should be given  the boot ASAP.

If this means the ragheads get more soldiers in their armies,so what? The more we kill,the safer the world will be.

I say this with the full knowledge that we will NEVER be able to destroy Islam because it is an idea as well as a religion,and it appeals to the masses of morons in various Shitstainistans.

If this means we have to kill them off again every generation or so,so be it,but I don't really believe they would be much trouble if we kept them in the areas of the Muddle East where they originated,and let them just kill each other off when they  get bored. They only become a problem when they  are allowed to immigrate to the west,and then use our freedoms against us to wage a guerilla war.

[DB]

@Kamaji

I don't get it.

He is actually highlighting genuine  concerns that  SHOULD be thought  out before the US takes ANY military action.

Nobody but a damn fool goes off to  war  unprepared.

I also think the US needs to  work harder  to  get NATO involved,and not get stuck with having to  take on Islam by  ourselves. We do NOT need to be out there "all on our own" with our alleged "Allies" hanging back and  watching.

I would also LOVE to hear and see talks about giving the boot to ragheads in the west. They are not compatible with living in a society of free people,and should be given  the boot ASAP.

If this means the ragheads get more soldiers in their armies,so what? The more we kill,the safer the world will be.

I say this with the full knowledge that we will NEVER be able to destroy Islam because it is an idea as well as a religion,and it appeals to the masses of morons in various Shitstainistans.

If this means we have to kill them off again every generation or so,so be it,but I don't really believe they would be much trouble if we kept them in the areas of the Muddle East where they originated,and let them just kill each other off when they  get bored. They only become a problem when they  are allowed to immigrate to the west,and then use our freedoms against us to wage a guerilla war.

He's opposing Israel going into the Gaza.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

He's opposing Israel going into the Gaza.

And he apparently believes that Israel should go public with its war plans so that he can decide if they're appropriate.

[deb]

And he apparently believes that Israel should go public with its war plans so that he can decide if they're appropriate.

With that level of insight, I certainly want Vivek as Commander in Chief. He’d be great. /s

[Smokin Joe]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson

Scroll down to Ep 31 and hear him out and then you will know exactly what he said.

[Fishrrman]

I didn't read all the replies nor watch the clip.

But my understanding is that Ramaswamy actually said something other than what the article title purports him to have said.

I still won't be voting for him in the primary.

[Smokin Joe]

I didn't read all the replies nor watch the clip.

But my understanding is that Ramaswamy actually said something other than what the article title purports him to have said.

I still won't be voting for him in the primary.

I won't either, but he made a couple of interesting observations.

First, that a lot of people seem intent on rushing into WWIII, from the Neocons to the Democrats, and that the people doing so are NOT the people who should be conducting a war. Maybe they are having delusions of grandeur and being the next FDR on the Left, or just seeing the dollar signs on the neocon right, but if everyone backed off and let Israel and Hamas settle this, the world might be a better place next year for it...

...and that People seem to have lost their fear of Nuclear Annihilation. Three or so generations out from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, maybe because the pictures were in Black and White, people have forgotten the level of devastation and the horrific wounds of the survivors of bombs that only had a fraction of the power of a modern strategic warhead.

Interesting take on it all.