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Since they haven't changed the rules yet someone could use the *vacate the chair rule*...maybe Gaetz will do it......./s

They could...but they wouldn't have the votes to vacate.

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So, Gaetz thinks playing Musical Chairs with the House Speakership is a winning strategy for GOP?

They are only proving that the House GOP CooCoo Caucus is incapable of governing.
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They could...but they wouldn't have the votes to vacate.

How many do they need?

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How many do they need?

A majority, which they wouldn't have if a majority had just elected Jeffries.

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So, Gaetz thinks playing Musical Chairs with the House Speakership is a winning strategy for GOP?

No, he just thought it was a winning strategy for him personally.

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It is much easier to tear things down than it is to build them. If you tear something down, you better have a plan in place to replace it with something better. Otherwise you are simply destroying things.

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Next vote is supposedly tonight.

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It is much easier to tear things down than it is to build them. If you tear something down, you better have a plan in place to replace it with something better. Otherwise you are simply destroying things.

If there would have been a majority within the GOP conference who wanted McCarthy out, then a Motion would have been appropriate.  That's a clear path to move on to someone else.  But 210 Republicans voted to keep McCarthy, and the handful of dissenters only won by drawing unanimous Democrat support.  What that would have told anyone who paid attention was that you inevitably were going to have a lot of Republicans really pissed at those few who overrode the overwhelming sentiment of Republicans to keep McCarthy.

The lesson learned from Gaetz' action wasn't "conservatives are tough" but rather "if you can sink our guy, we can sink yours."

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It is much easier to tear things down than it is to build them. If you tear something down, you better have a plan in place to replace it with something better. Otherwise you are simply destroying things.

Though I'm still glad McCarthy was booted as he should have been for playing games, having no plan in place for what to do afterwards to me is what was troubling.  Here we sit.
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This nonsense has the electorate voting for the Democommies in November, 2024.

Let's face it, the Republicans are completely incompetent.  Even when they have a majority, they do not see the necessity of being unified. 

Bottomline, the American people went from not being represented to a government that is completely non functional.  The time is now to revise the Constitution to add the following:

TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED FEDERAL OFFICIALS, end golden parachute.  $1 for $1 match into 401k, no pensions or
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BALANCED BUDGET WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION BEING A DECLARED WAR BY CONGRESS (last done 1941)

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More than a clown show, this is just a major disaster waiting to happen.  :thud:

No it's not.

The mistake Jordan is making is going back behind closed doors. He should be pushing for votes on the floor so everyone can see who the "MAGA" Establishment Loyalists are so primary challengers can run against them.

Who cares if our "team" looks bad. It is the end result that is all important. All this goes back to the Establishment Loyalists not wanting appropriation bills passed and instead preferring CR's and Omnibus bills so they won't be accountable.

Interest on the debt this year is around 800 billion.
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Even if you assume Gaetz was well-intentioned, which I don't, the road to hell is paved by stupid people thinking they were doing the right thing.

No, the road to hell is paved by those Establishment Loyalists who don't have the strength to do their jobs and the people supporting their failure.

When the bill comes due for the fiscal irresponsibility of the Establishment Loyalists it won't be because men like Gaetz stood up to try and stop it. It will be because of the Establishment Loyalists and their supporters who thought they could ignore the law of large numbers.
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No it's not.

The mistake Jordan is making is going back behind closed doors. He should be pushing for votes on the floor so everyone can see who the "MAGA" Establishment Loyalists are so primary challengers can run against them.

Who cares if our "team" looks bad. It is the end result that is all important. All this goes back to the Establishment Loyalists not wanting appropriation bills passed and instead preferring CR's and Omnibus bills so they won't be accountable.

Interest on the debt this year is around 800 billion.

Everyone knows who the votes are. 

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No, the road to hell is paved by those Establishment Loyalists who don't have the strength to do their jobs and the people supporting their failure.

When the bill comes due for the fiscal irresponsibility of the Establishment Loyalists it won't be because men like Gaetz stood up to try and stop it. It will be because of the Establishment Loyalists and their supporters who thought they could ignore the law of large numbers.

No, the road to Hell is paved by idiots like Gaetz who don't have the wherewithal to replace what they destroy.

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Scalise Trying to Undermine Jordan Speakership Bid Ahead of 2nd Ballot

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) is attempting to undermine Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan’s (R-OH) bid for the Speakership gavel after voting for him on the first ballot, sources familiar with the matter have confirmed to Breitbart News.

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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/10/17/scalise-trying-to-undermine-jordan-speakership-bid-ahead-of-2nd-ballot/
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Ken Buck Does Not Want Tom Emmer as Speaker, but Voted for Him Anyway

Rep. Ken Buck voted on Tuesday for House Majority Whip Tom Emmer for House Speaker without actually wanting Emmer to become Speaker.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/17/ken-buck-does-not-want-tom-emmer-speaker-voted-him-anyway/
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No, the road to Hell is paved by idiots like Gaetz who don't have the wherewithal to replace what they destroy.

It's clear that a great many posters look at our national politics as a team sport. They have their "team" and it is all important that the team wins even if in victory the country suffers. We have had CR's and Omnibus bills for our federal budget rather than appropriation bills for at least 26 years. The end result has been an explosion of debt and all kinds of rules and regulations buried in those bills that would have never been passed if an open system existed.

Blame Gaetz all you want but the motion to vacate would never have been pursued if McCarthy wasn't a liar and had done what he agreed to in order to become Speaker.

Now we are seeing Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party who don't want real change. They like the system just the way it is even though it is clear to everyone that within 5 years the debt will be so large interest payments on it will exceed 1.2 TRILLION dollars per year. When this happens the Imperial City will have to impose huge tax increases on the middle class and begin cutting benefits in Social Security. At least Gaetz fought to stop this.
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Whatta bunch o' losers.

Maybe they'd be better off sticking with that "temporary" guy they have now. Just give him the full powers of the Speaker's gavel.

On the other hand, we should enjoy this "paralysis" of the Congress while it lasts.
The country is BETTER OFF that they can "do nothing".

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Here's another loser...the whole world is on fire and these idiots are playing games in the people's House...shame on all of them!....as far as Gaetz is concerned..once this is settled he should be expelled from Congress.


GOP Rep. Buck: Hard No — ‘I Will Not Vote for Jim Jordan’

Representative Ken Buck (R-CO) said Tuesday on CNN’s “News Central” that he would never vote for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) to become House Speaker.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/17/rep-buck-hard-no-i-will-not-vote-for-jim-jordan-for-speaker/
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It's clear that a great many posters look at our national politics as a team sport. They have their "team" and it is all important that the team wins even if in victory the country suffers. We have had CR's and Omnibus bills for our federal budget rather than appropriation bills for at least 26 years. The end result has been an explosion of debt and all kinds of rules and regulations buried in those bills that would have never been passed if an open system existed.

Blame Gaetz all you want but the motion to vacate would never have been pursued if McCarthy wasn't a liar and had done what he agreed to in order to become Speaker.

Now we are seeing Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party who don't want real change. They like the system just the way it is even though it is clear to everyone that within 5 years the debt will be so large interest payments on it will exceed 1.2 TRILLION dollars per year. When this happens the Imperial City will have to impose huge tax increases on the middle class and begin cutting benefits in Social Security. At least Gaetz fought to stop this.

That is true, however, for Gaetz not have any plans in place afterwards is terribly irresponsible.  I wonder what he expected the outcome to be after McCarthy was ousted?
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Another day of Congress not being able to spend money it doesn't have.  For those of us recognizing the federal government as the greatest threat facing the future of our nation, life is good.
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Another day of Congress not being able to spend money it doesn't have.  For those of us recognizing the federal government as the greatest threat facing the future of our nation, life is good.

Good point.
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Scalise Trying to Undermine Jordan Speakership Bid Ahead of 2nd Ballot

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) is attempting to undermine Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan’s (R-OH) bid for the Speakership gavel after voting for him on the first ballot, sources familiar with the matter have confirmed to Breitbart News.

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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/10/17/scalise-trying-to-undermine-jordan-speakership-bid-ahead-of-2nd-ballot/

Apparently, the reverse happened when Scalise was running.

This is why you respect majority rule for Speakership.  People can vote how they wish on legislation, but the Speakership doesn't work otherwise.

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Another day of Congress not being able to spend money it doesn't have.  For those of us recognizing the federal government as the greatest threat facing the future of our nation, life is good.

Nope.  The 45 day continuing resolution that passed is still in effect.  Money is being spent.

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Gingrich apparently has come out in favor of just empowering McHenry and moving on:

https://x.com/costareports/status/1714428822571913406?s=20
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