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Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« on: September 15, 2023, 08:25:05 am »
Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds but judges slam ‘deeply flawed’ investigation

By Ronny Reyes
Published Sep. 14, 2023

An appellate court panel upheld a ruling that a Philadelphia teacher found dead in 2011 with 20 stab wounds had killed herself, but slammed police’s investigation as “deeply flawed,” according to court documents.

The family of Ellen Greenberg, 27, have fought for more than a decade to overturn the city’s ruling over the teacher’s death, whose corpse was riddled with stab wounds, including 10 to the back of the head and neck.

Greenberg’s family hired a team of experts in the aftermath of her death who pointed out that a knife in her apartment was overturned, possibly suggesting that she had been involved in a struggle, and a gash on the back of her head may have rendered her unconscious and unable to defend herself.

Her family has also questioned why she filled up her gas tank before coming home and didn’t leave a note indicating that she planned to take her own life.

An appellate panel ruled Wednesday that Greenberg’s parents, Joshua and Sandra, lacked the standing for a civil suit, but the judges criticized the city police, prosecutors, the medical examiner’s office and pathologists Marlon Osbourne and Sam Gulino for blunders made in their investigation, Fox News reports.

“The facts surrounding this matter are extremely disturbing and the parents’ tireless efforts over the past 12 years to learn exactly what happened to their daughter on the evening of January 26, 2011, warrant our sincere sympathy,” Judge Ellen Ceisler wrote.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/09/14/court-rules-philly-teachers-death-with-20-stab-wounds-as-suicide-slams-deeply-flawed-probe/
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2023, 08:25:12 am »
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2023, 08:47:21 am »
Sounds like a Covid death to me (even in 2011). Hope they put that on the death certificate, as well.  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2023, 08:56:00 am »
I am speechless. That is the weirdest thing I've read in quite some time.
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2023, 09:03:01 am »
Did she know the Clintons? 
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2023, 09:10:51 am »
I think the headline here is misleading.  According to the snippet posted, "An appellate panel ruled Wednesday that Greenberg’s parents, Joshua and Sandra, lacked the standing for a civil suit".  So the judge refused to consider it one way or the other, correct?
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2023, 09:21:00 am »
Quote from: Gefn on September 15, 2023, 08:56:00 am
I am speechless. That is the weirdest thing I've read in quite some time.

Sounds like the Billy Sol Estes associate who was ruled to have shot himself in the back eleven times with a single shot .22 rifle.
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2023, 09:23:02 am »
Quote from: Bigun on September 15, 2023, 09:21:00 am
Sounds like the Billy Sol Estes associate who was ruled to have shot himself in the back eleven times with a single shot .22 rifle.

Wasn't he the guy who, after being shot multiple times in the back, jumped off a bridge?   :pondering:
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2023, 09:25:28 am »
Quote from: Polly Ticks on September 15, 2023, 09:10:51 am
I think the headline here is misleading.  According to the snippet posted, "An appellate panel ruled Wednesday that Greenberg’s parents, Joshua and Sandra, lacked the standing for a civil suit".  So the judge refused to consider it one way or the other, correct?

Fair enough, but the original ruling is still bizarre.
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2023, 09:26:37 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on September 15, 2023, 09:25:28 am
Fair enough, but the original ruling is still bizarre.

Oh, absolutely.  Didn't mean to imply otherwise.
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2023, 09:40:18 am »
Quote from: Wingnut on September 15, 2023, 09:23:02 am
Wasn't he the guy who, after being shot multiple times in the back, jumped off a bridge?   :pondering:

IIRC this guy was found in a cheap motel room somewhere in West Texas. @Wingnut 
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2023, 09:41:27 am »
Quote from: Bigun on September 15, 2023, 09:40:18 am
IIRC this guy was found in a cheap motel room somewhere in West Texas. @Wingnut 

Must have been another guy then! 
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2023, 09:43:11 am »
Quote from: Wingnut on September 15, 2023, 09:41:27 am
Must have been another guy then!

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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2023, 10:35:41 am »
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So, JFK committed suicide?  That's why they could never find the shooter in grassly knoll - he never existed.

So, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman committed suicide?  That's why they've never been able to find the "real killer"?

It all makes sense.  Every unsolved murder is unsolved because it was really suicide the whole time.  That will certainly close a lot of cold cases.
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2023, 07:53:16 am »
Worst case of suicide I've ever heard of. :whistle:
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Re: Suicide ruling upheld for Philly teacher found with 20 stab wounds
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2023, 10:52:53 am »
You almost never hear of determination at THAT level!
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