“This is the Final Battle. With You at My Side…” – Donald Trump Declares

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I will, @sneakypete . Certain venues perhaps, Certain states, maybe, but not across the country, The Red Wave never happened, hardly anywhere, except deep red states where it would happen anyway.

Yep.

[Bigun]

No, @Bigun I don't think that's right.

It's one thing to control key positions in battleground states... It's a whole nuther to control the board in 50 state elections... Or even 30. Or even 20.

That's a tall order. And it certainly ignores the successes.

You are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion @roamer_1 but I will not share it. Ever! All they must do is control certain places in states. Maricopa County in Arizona for instance. 

That doesn't assure them of winning the House but it sure as hell does help them tamp down what would otherwise happen in that body!

[sneakypete]

Anything’s possible

But were did they manufacture votes to win those elections?

In welfare and immigration offices all over America.

And do you have any solid evidence of that and can you prove that that made a difference? That’s why I’m not on the “Trump was robbed” train. Not that I don’t believe there were serious issues in the 2020 election. But nobody can prove that those issues caused Trump to lose

Not to YOU they can't because you just flat hate "Rude Orange Rich Man".

Hillary Clinton, and Stacey Abrams both made wild claims of why they lost their elections. Do you agree with them? For example, Hillary Clinton claimed, without evidence, that 80,000 some votes in the Milwaukee and Madison area that were for her were thrown out. Do you agree with her or not?

So,now you  are so freaking desperate you are trying to link Trump with Bubbette!?

I would NORMALLY state that anyone who posts brain farts like that is insane,but your insanity goes further than that. You are insane with jealousy of "Rude  Rich Orange Man".

After Hillary Clinton lost, I ventured into left-wing blogs to gauge their reaction and they sounded similar and used the same excuses that Trump supporters used when he lost.

Desperation is never pretty.

[LMAO]

In welfare and immigration offices all over America.

Not to YOU they can't because you just flat hate "Rude Orange Rich Man".

So,now you  are so freaking desperate you are trying to link Trump with Bubbette!?

I would NORMALLY state that anyone who posts brain farts like that is insane,but your insanity goes further than that. You are insane with jealousy of "Rude  Rich Orange Man".

Desperation is never pretty.

Show me the evidence that their votes were manufactured from immigration and welfare offices

The rest of the bizarre arguments you made I’m not even going bother responding to

[Bigun]

Show me the evidence that their votes were manufactured from immigration and welfare offices

The rest of the bizarre arguments you made I’m not even going bother responding to

About 200,000 of them were trucked in to Philly from New York IIRC.

[roamer_1]

You are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion @roamer_1 but I will not share it. Ever! All they must do is control certain places in states. Maricopa County in Arizona for instance. 

That doesn't assure them of winning the House but it sure as hell does help them tamp down what would otherwise happen in that body!

Like I said @Bigun ... Certain venues, certain states perhaps...

Do you really think they 'let' DeSantis rise in purple FL? That they LET HIM take Dade County?
No... He won it. In a skate. They could not take either house from beneath him either. Florida is turning hard red. And they can't stop it. An utterly devastating, embarrassing defeat.

They cannot control FL, obviously. And you can bet money they would have tried... as hard there as anywhere, and maybe more than anywhere... With a great chance of success. They own Miami, no doubt, but even there, in bright blue Dade, they could not stop it.

[Bigun]

Like I said @Bigun ... Certain venues, certain states perhaps...

Do you really think they 'let' DeSantis rise in purple FL? That they LET HIM take Dade County?
No... He won it. In a skate. They could not take either house from beneath him either. Florida is turning hard red. And they can't stop it. An utterly devastating, embarrassing defeat.

They cannot control FL, obviously. And you can bet money they would have tried... as hard there as anywhere, and maybe more than anywhere... With a great chance of success. They own Miami, no doubt, but even there, in bright blue Dade, they could not stop it.

 

Florida has SANE election law that is pretty much enforced @roamer_1 unlike those in many other states!

[LMAO]

In case SP is still in doubt, here is Hillary’s claim from 2016

“Clinton said the “best studies” show that “somewhere between 40[000] and 80,000 people were turned away from the polls” in Wisconsin because of the state’s voter ID law. Her office provided us with reports that did not support the figures she cited, and we could find no credible statewide estimate.
Clinton falsely claimed that “there were fewer voters registered in Georgia [in 2016] than then there had been those prior four years” in 2012. In fact, there were nearly 571,000 more registered voters in the 2016 election, state records show.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/factchecking-clintons-voter-suppression-claims/

I know it sucks to lose. And I was hoping for a massive red wave. But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna live in a state of denial. Leftists groups joined MAGAs  in voting for MAGA candidates in the primaries. That’s not a theory as even they admit it themselves. It was a risk as people were very unhappy with the state of the country and with Joe Biden. But it worked. And rest assured, they will do it again in 2024.

[roamer_1]

 

Florida has SANE election law that is pretty much enforced @roamer_1 unlike those in many other states!

And many states tightened up their voter laws and registration @Bigun
It's an ever-changing landscape, and hard to control.

The ONLY way that it could be orchestrated that makes sense is the voting machines... Dominion...
I'm up for that idea.
And that idea got beat so badly in court that it nearly brought down FOX news.

Otherwise, it must be ad-hoc, and necessarily impossible to orchestrate effectively.

Do they cheat like hell every time they can? Oh hell yeah. Plenty of evidence (convictions) to prove that.

Could they have overthrown the presidential election? I am convinced they did. Controlling key states in an ad-hoc fashion is a monumental task in itself... But controlling enough of the board to influence state races and congressional races? Dude, that's a crazy big thing...

Not to mention controlling all the state legislatures and courts to cover it up.
Without Dominion, that does not seem feasible.

[Bigun]

And many states tightened up their voter laws and registration @Bigun
It's an ever-changing landscape, and hard to control.

The ONLY way that it could be orchestrated that makes sense is the voting machines... Dominion...
I'm up for that idea.
And that idea got beat so badly in court that it nearly brought down FOX news.

Otherwise, it must be ad-hoc, and necessarily impossible to orchestrate effectively.

Do they cheat like hell every time they can? Oh hell yeah. Plenty of evidence (convictions) to prove that.

Could they have overthrown the presidential election? I am convinced they did. Controlling key states in an ad-hoc fashion is a monumental task in itself... But controlling enough of the board to influence state races and congressional races? Dude, that's a crazy big thing...

Not to mention controlling all the state legislatures and courts to cover it up.
Without Dominion, that does not seem feasible.

They can, and do, control enough to throw presidential and senate races for sure and enough house races to greatly tamp down what the republican majorities would otherwise be. That is all I ever said @roamer_1

[aligncare]

The short answer is no. 

I do not blame the target of eight years of relentless criminal lawfare orchestrated by the highest levels of our corrupted federal government and supported/amplified by the equally corrupted Congressional branch of the deep administrative state and legacy and social media.

I admire the target's strength, stamina, commitment and sheer guts.  I respect all he (and his family and associates) has absorbed to keep the promises he made to me on the campaign trail --- even with at least one hand tied behind his back at all times and multiple knives in his back:

It's a debate @LMAO   "Shutting down" the opposition in a debate is the equivalent of a knock out in boxing  --- it is rather the goal.   And,  to be fair, many try it against me, but, sadly, less on substance and more with a shoot the messenger strategy.

I do, however, disengage when "jackals" begin to gather prepared for a coordated personal assault.  But, I always return to debate again after they scatter.   

BTW, I do not try to gain a debate advantage by pinging management.  I have pinged the owner just a handful or so times in 14 years ---- and as a follow-up to a previous discussion or post.  So, rest easy, my friend. I enter a debate prepared to stand alone.

I hope this long-winded reply answered your questions.

Reality.

You speak for millions of fed up Americans who expected fair and honest elections and were cheated.

You also captured very well the burdensome challenges President Trump faced to his America First agenda: subversion and lawfare from within his own administration and from turncoat republicans in congress.

Thanks for all the work that you do in spite of the echo chamber here.

[Kamaji]

Deserves repeating:

[DB]

Just the signature verification process was enough to swing the total several points in swing states. Historical verification rejection rates were around 5%. Deep blue counties let everything go rejecting less than 1% picking up about 4% more counted votes. While the red counties followed the rules and had the historical rejection rate. This was in elections where far greater numbers of ballots were sent out instead of voting in person increasing this affect. That was enough all by itself to flip a number of swing states. It is very difficult to track and/or prove what was done so they get away with it. But the numbers alone speak for themselves.

[LMAO]

Thanks for all the work that you do in spite of the echo chamber here.

Echo chamber?

You’re thinking of TOS or TruthSocial. I see Trump supporters, DeSantis supporters, one who admit that Tim Scott is his first. I’ve never seen a zot here because someone backs a particular candidate. I’ve never seen any demands from the site owner of having to support the owner’s choice or risk a zot

I’ve seen populist, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives. I’ve seen supporters of our Ukraine policy and those that oppose.

This is far from an echo chamber

[sneakypete]

Show me the evidence that their votes were manufactured from immigration and welfare offices

@LMAO

So,you are going  on record as stating there was no voter fraud during the last election,and that Biden was elected fair and square?

Good to know.

 

[LMAO]

@LMAO

So,you are going  on record as stating there was no voter fraud during the last election,and that Biden was elected fair and square?

Good to know.

Again…

“Look mom! Another straw man!”

[sneakypete]

Again…

“Look mom! Another straw man!”

Show me the evidence that their votes were manufactured from immigration and welfare offices

 Re: “This is the Final Battle. With You at My Side…” – Donald Trump Declares
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[LMAO]

Show me the evidence that their votes were manufactured from immigration and welfare offices

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I don’t think you know what a straw man argument is

You made a claim. I asked for evidence of the claim you made. As per usual, you couldn’t do it so you made me the issue

For the record, I am 100% for cleaning up the election process and I absolutely believe there were lots of issues with 2020. We will never know for sure if those COVID rules would have made a difference or not

But I’m not on board with the mindset that every time Trump or Trump back candidates lose, it’s because of robbery

[roamer_1]

They can, and do, control enough to throw presidential and senate races for sure and enough house races to greatly tamp down what the republican majorities would otherwise be. That is all I ever said @roamer_1

I think on the whole, it is more about a divided Right. And a unified Left, @Bigun

Budweiser has fallen. And they have no idea how to fix it. It's literally going down the drain, and everything they do just makes it worse.

Why?

There's a lesson in that.

[Bigun]

I think on the whole, it is more about a divided Right. And a unified Left, @Bigun

Budweiser has fallen. And they have no idea how to fix it. It's literally going down the drain, and everything they do just makes it worse.

Why?

There's a lesson in that.

  But that does not change one thing I've said here today @roamer_1

[Kamaji]

I don’t think you know what a straw man argument is

You made a claim. I asked for evidence of the claim you made. As per usual, you couldn’t do it so you made me the issue

For the record, I am 100% for cleaning up the election process and I absolutely believe there were lots of issues with 2020. We will never know for sure if those COVID rules would have made a difference or not

But I’m not on board with the mindset that every time Trump or Trump back candidates lose, it’s because of robbery

[roamer_1]

Echo chamber?
[...]
This is far from an echo chamber

And that's why I like it.
Singing to the choir is boring as hell.

[sneakypete]

I don’t think you know what a straw man argument is

You made a claim. I asked for evidence of the claim you made. As per usual, you couldn’t do it so you made me the issue


@LMAO

I QUOTED a post of yours on this very thread,Bubba!Q


 

[Bigun]

But I’m not on board with the mindset that every time Trump or Trump back candidates lose, it’s because of robbery

I'm unaware of that ever being said anywhere on this board @LMAO perhaps you can enlighten me.

[roamer_1]

But that does not change one thing I've said here today @roamer_1

I mean to say that if given a conspiracy (at a grand level) of voter fraud, or the simple proposal that you're not attracting voters, my first inclination would be toward the latter.

The left is in lockstep, end to end. The right is broken and intentionally divisive.
That's is the first problem. Always look first in your own house.