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« Reply #2250 on: February 05, 2024, 07:34:08 am »
Ukraine Switching To A War Of Attrition Against Russia?

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 2/4/2024

Ukraine Switching To A War Of Attrition Against Russia?

Two videos on increasing Russian logistics difficulties in the Russo-Ukrainian War. First up: A video that suggests Ukraine has switched from a territory recapture strategy to an attrition strategy.

•  “Russia is burning whether it’s oil terminals on the Baltic and the Black Sea, factories in far-flung Siberia, or military bases in Crimea, it seems almost every day something bursts into flames in Putin’s backyard. And Ukraine is thought to be the one behind it.” It’s an open question whether structure hits in places like Siberia are Ukrainian “werewolf” teams operating behind enemy lines, or native anti-Putin/anti-war (or even anti-Russian) partisans, but the effect seems the same: Russia now has to worry about attacks to its military, transport, energy, and manufacturing infrastructure far from the frontlines in Ukraine.

•  Zelensky warned Putin that if Russia attacked Ukrainian cities with indiscriminate missile attacks again, Ukraine would hit back. When it did, “Ukraine struck back a fire at the electrical substation outside Moscow, plunged three districts of the capital into darkness. Water pipes also burst, leaving people freezing in their homes. The plague of accidents soon spread to the cities of Omsk and Novosibirsk, deep in Siberia, which were left without heating as temperatures fell below -2.” Actually, Omsk and Novosibirsk aren’t “deep” in Siberia, because the place is so vast there another five time zones east of there.

•  “Soon after attacks began on critical infrastructure, including oil refineries upon which Putin’s economy relies. To date, three refineries have been blown up or set on fire, including two which were hit by long-range Ukrainian drones. One of those the Ust-Luga oil refinery near St. Petersburg, is almost 600 miles from Ukraine.”

•  “Railways and factories have also been blown up or burned down at the same time the Ukrainians have stepped up their campaign against Crimea.” Naval successes we’ve covered here already skipped.

•  At this point the video argues that Ukraine’s strategy was to liberate Ukrainian territory, no matter the strategic value. I don’t think that was the case.

•  Following the “failure” of the summer offensive (I would say “limited gains”), “Ukraine is digging in and refocusing liberation of territory is no longer the main goal hitting Russia where it hurts most.”

•  “Ukraine knows that victory in a long war depends on two things above all else: The will of people to keep fighting, and the ability of the country to provide weapons for them to fight with, and that’s where these drone missile and sabotage attacks come in.”

•  It then argues (as many others have) that Crimea is Putin’s main weakness, and that losing it will cripple his prestige and ability to stay in power and continue the war.

Next, a video from Kanal 13 (very much a pro-Ukrainian source) suggests that the war and sanctions are cratering Russia’s military industrial complex.


https://youtu.be/2TjjQbZ2ZSE

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2251 on: February 05, 2024, 06:12:29 pm »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2252 on: February 05, 2024, 07:11:48 pm »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.

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Chances are the General Miss Miley  had  a hand in that. There can be no doubt that there was money to be made from that deal.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2253 on: February 06, 2024, 05:29:09 am »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.
I would bet that is only the tip of the bait-and-switch iceberg. (with appropriate cash register noises here).
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2254 on: February 06, 2024, 08:22:32 am »
I would bet that is only the tip of the bait-and-switch iceberg. (with appropriate cash register noises here).

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« Reply #2255 on: February 08, 2024, 09:37:02 am »
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« Reply #2256 on: February 08, 2024, 11:27:58 am »
Russia Deploying Starlink in Ukraine—Reports

Newsweek by Isabel van Brugen 2/8/2024

krainian soldiers say Russia's military have begun using Elon Musk's Starlink satellite communications network in Ukraine, according to a journalist in the country.

"The military writes that the occupiers have Starlink with licensed accounts," Andriy Tsaplienko, a Ukrainian journalist, said on his Telegram channel, sharing a screenshot of two posts on X, formerly Twitter, that he says are from two Ukrainian soldiers.

"They began to deliver Starlink en masse, via Dubai, accounts are activated, they work in the occupied territories," one of the soldiers with the X handle @_Serhij_ wrote, referring to the four regions of Ukraine that were illegally annexed by Russia in the fall of 2022—Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2257 on: February 08, 2024, 11:32:40 am »
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« Reply #2258 on: February 08, 2024, 11:53:21 am »
Sounds like you don't support stopping the massive illegal immigration on the borders.


I support realistic measures that can help.. Not fanciful measures like the wall that a certain orange-tinted Mussolini wanted.  I also support stopping Russian aggression against Ukraine.
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« Reply #2259 on: February 08, 2024, 11:55:23 am »
I want a Border Bill that enforces the Border and deports those who criminally violate it by illegal entry inot the United States ... then Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan get their money in installments contingent upon Border enforcement.

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« Reply #2260 on: February 08, 2024, 12:35:21 pm »

I support realistic measures that can help.. Not fanciful measures like the wall that a certain orange-tinted Mussolini wanted.  I also support stopping Russian aggression against Ukraine.

The US Government disagrees with you about the efficacy of walls and fences.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2261 on: February 08, 2024, 06:33:50 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2262 on: February 08, 2024, 06:39:10 pm »
If border fences didn't work we'd already have them across the southern border. There's a reason we don't...

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« Reply #2263 on: February 08, 2024, 06:51:51 pm »
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« Reply #2264 on: February 08, 2024, 07:02:56 pm »
Zelensky replaces Ukraine's top general in major shakeup

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-replaces-ukraine-s-top-general-in-major-shakeup/ar-BB1hZBp0

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Why it matters: The removal of Valery Zaluzhny is the most significant personnel shift Kyiv has made since Russia invaded Ukraine nearly two years ago.

Zaluzhny is a celebrated figure in Ukrainian society, who is credited with leading Ukraine through the war's early stages and achieving many of its military successes.
Driving the news: Recent reports have indicated that Zelensky was considering replacing Zaluzhny.

The general's public comments on Ukraine's counteroffensive last year contradicted Zelensky's rhetoric and further soured an already fraught relationship between the two, per the New York Times.

Zelensky confirmed the leadership shift as apart of a broader shakeup in a Telegram post on Thursday. He also announced the promotion of Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky to lead Ukraine's armed forces.

"I am grateful to General Zaluzhny for two years of protection. I am grateful for every victory we achieved together," Zelensky wrote.

He added that he had asked Zaluzhny to remain part "of the team of the Ukrainian state of the future." He did not say whether Zaluzhny had accepted that offer.
Between the lines: Syrsky's appointment is likely to be unpopular among Ukraine's troops, the Washington Post reported.

Many Ukrainian soldiers see Syrsky as a Soviet-style commander who kept troops in Bakhmut for too long amid sustained Russian shelling.

Doesn't bode well for Ukraine...
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« Reply #2265 on: February 08, 2024, 07:07:07 pm »
Zelensky replaces military chief, naming Syrsky top commander

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/valery-zaluzhny-commander-ukraine-removed/

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Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of Ukraine’s ground forces since the start of Russia’s invasion, will be Ukraine’s next military chief after President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday formally replaced Gen. Valery Zaluzhny in a risky leadership shake-up that is likely to be unpopular with troops worn down by nearly two years of war.

Zelensky told Zaluzhny 10 days ago that he was being dismissed, but the president’s office initially denied that the commander in chief had been fired. Then, Zelensky delayed in issuing a formal order or announcing a successor and, even after elevating Syrsky on Thursday, the president did not give an explanation, saying only that change was needed.

But it’s unclear what change Syrsky will — or can — usher in. Zelensky considered Zaluzhny’s plans for this year too ambitious considering Ukraine’s limited resources, according to two people familiar with the president’s thinking. For the past two years, however, Syrsky has essentially functioned as the military’s second-in-command. And while Ukraine is expected to focus more on defense this year rather than attempt another sweeping counteroffensive, it is still confronting a better-armed and larger Russian force.

As ground forces commander, Syrsky, 58, was credited with leading the defense of Kyiv in the first month of the war and then orchestrating a successful counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region in fall 2022.

In a statement, Zelensky praised his new commander and cited those successes.

“He has successful defensive experience, particularly in the Kyiv defense operation,” the president said. “He also has successful offensive experience, particularly in the Kharkiv liberation operation. … 2024 can become successful for Ukraine only through effective changes in the basis of our defense, which is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

The decision to name Syrsky as commander in chief, however, is expected to cause backlash among troops in the field. Among rank-and-file soldiers, Syrsky is especially disliked, considered by many to be a Soviet-style commander who kept forces under fire far too long in the eastern city of Bakhmut, which eventually fell to Russian control. Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers were killed and many more were wounded defending the city, which had limited strategic value.

Some Ukrainian soldiers refer to Syrsky as a “butcher.”

“I only know what I’ve heard from my subordinates,” said a high-ranking military official who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to do so publicly. “One hundred percent of them don’t respect him because they don’t think he counts soldiers’ lives.”

“In comparison with Zaluzhny, he gets much lower support,” the person added.

EXCERPT
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« Reply #2266 on: February 09, 2024, 06:12:23 am »
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« Reply #2267 on: February 09, 2024, 08:24:39 am »
Zelensky replaces military chief, naming Syrsky top commander

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/valery-zaluzhny-commander-ukraine-removed/

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Ukraine is expected to focus more on defense this year rather than attempt another sweeping counteroffensive, it is still confronting a better-armed and larger Russian force.

@Timber Rattler

How is this possible unless the neo-Soviets are "scraping the bottom of every  barrel" they have?

There can be NO doubt that the neo-Soviets have more "man-power" to be butchered than the Ukrainians,but they had better be vewwy,vewwy,careful to not allow themselves to become so weak in men and materials that their Chi-Com pals decide to just walk into Eastern Russia and take over control of all the natural wealth  there.

AFAIK,Russia herself doesn't really NEED all that oil and gold,but China damn sure does,and the Russians and the Chinese have never been anything more than "Allies of  convenience".

Or am I the only one that thinks the Chinese can come roaring in to Russia to seize Eastern Russia,and the neo-Soviets will be too busy trying to seize Ukraine again that they can't be bothered  to protect their eastern borders?

WTH are the neo-Soviets/Putin thinking?
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« Reply #2268 on: February 09, 2024, 09:06:55 am »
My take on this is that the break between Zelensky and Zaluzhny happened for the following reasons:

1) The Ukrainians expended way too much combat power in defending Bakhmut this time last year, just like the French at Verdun in 1916.

2) The Ukrainians probably shouldn't have stopped fighting offesnively last winter after liberating Kherson---they relinquished the initiative to the Russians, who used the breathing space to dig in and turn southern Ukraine into a vast mine field and artillery kill zone.  That was the point of Wagner's human wave assaults at Bakhmut to keep everybody's eyes looking there, instead of in the south.

3) Zaluzhny refused to take NATO's advice and developed plans for the "counter-offensive" that were too ambitious and too complicated for the Ukrainian Army, wanting to attack on three fronts simultaneously instead of a single, concentrated hammerblow in the south, 1940 Wehrmacht Panzer style.   

4) NATO was probably too optimistic in its assessment that it could quickly train the Ukrainians in NATO tactics, using the Western weapon systems that were being transferred to their military, which turned out to be a mixed bag at best, and not nearly enough.

5) Once the counteroffensive started and the Ukrainians ran head first into the southern Russian minefields, Zaluzhny gave up on NATO after only four days and reverted back to the Soviet-style tactics that he knew well, resulting in more attrition that Ukraine could not afford to sustain.

6) Zaluzhny talked too much to the press and revealed too much, specifically that the war had become a stalemate and was likely frozen.

7) Out of picque, Zaluzhny stopped taking calls from the U.S. Europe Command and Defense Department.

8) Zaluzhny demanded more troops to rebuild the Ukrainian army but politically and realistically, Zelensky (under pressure from the West and domestically), could not give them to him.

9)  All of this ends up in a Truman-MacArthur or Lincoln-McClellan type of command crisis.

10) Zelensky decides to fire Zaluzhny but has trouble finding anybody who will take opver his job at the top, hence the delayed announcement.

11) Zaluzhny's successor Syrsky is an old school Soviet tactician and the Ukrainian troops hate him.

Therefore, I don't see how Ukraine "wins" after this command debacle, which sucks.
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« Reply #2270 on: February 09, 2024, 10:35:02 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2271 on: February 09, 2024, 10:44:13 pm »
And most of those poor suckers really don't want to be there. Their country is killing them for their leader's ego.

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« Reply #2272 on: February 09, 2024, 10:51:12 pm »
Left - Russian T-55 knocked out in Kherson Oblast.
Right - Russian T-55 with same markings in Budapest 1956.

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« Reply #2273 on: February 10, 2024, 07:34:25 am »
Left - Russian T-55 knocked out in Kherson Oblast.
Right - Russian T-55 with same markings in Budapest 1956.



Just wow!  It's the same tank!
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« Reply #2274 on: February 10, 2024, 08:59:51 am »
Just wow!  It's the same tank!
Yeah, that sucker is older than I am (but not by much).
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« Reply #2276 on: February 10, 2024, 09:45:15 am »
I bet you MAGA idiots are happy with this, but go ahead think that Putin is wonderful guy:



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« Reply #2278 on: February 10, 2024, 02:07:27 pm »
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For the record, there was no Poland when Hitler invaded Russia.
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« Reply #2279 on: February 10, 2024, 03:38:15 pm »
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The Russian drone attack killed seven people. It started a large fire that destroyed 15 homes.
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It doesn't appear to have "totally" destroyed a city of 2,000,000.
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« Reply #2280 on: February 10, 2024, 05:27:16 pm »
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The Russian drone attack killed seven people. It started a large fire that destroyed 15 homes.UPI

It doesn't appear to have "totally" destroyed a city of 2,000,000.
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« Reply #2281 on: February 10, 2024, 08:14:30 pm »
Enemy shells border area in Sumy region 28 times on Feb 10

Ukrinform 2/11/2024

Russian troops launched 28 attacks on the border area in Ukraine's northeastern Sumy region on Saturday, February 10, with no casualties reported.

The region's military administration announced this on Facebook, Ukrinform reports.

"Some 150 explosions were recorded. The Khotin, Krasnopillia, Bilopillia, Velyka Pysarivka, Esman, Shalyhyne, Seredyna-Buda, and Druzhba communities came under attack," the post said.

In particular, eight mortar explosions were recorded in the Esman community, with the enemy also using a machine gun. The enemy fired artillery at the Shalyhyne community. Five explosions were recorded there throughout the day.

The settlements of the Bilopillia community were hardest hit throughout the day. In particular, there were 35 mortar explosions, 29 explosions from a grenade launcher and 9 explosions from Russian artillery.

The Russians carried out an air strike on the Seredyna-Buda community.

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« Reply #2282 on: February 10, 2024, 08:19:43 pm »
Children among seven killed in Russian drone attack on Kharkiv

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Three children among the dead, governor says, after strike on petrol station causes burning fuel to spray out, igniting 14 houses

Seven people, including three children, were killed in a Russian drone attack on a petrol station in the city of Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine, the regional governor said on Saturday.

“Unfortunately the death toll from the occupiers’ attacks on Kharkiv has risen to seven,” Oleg Synegubov said on the Telegram social network.

“Among them are three children: 7, 4 years old and a baby about six months old.”

The attack late on Friday night sprayed nearby homes with burning fuel, forcing at least 50 people to evacuate, Kharkiv mayor’s, Igor Terekhov, said earlier.

“The enemy’s Shaheds [Iranian-made drones] hit a petrol station, causing burning fuel to spill out and 14 private houses to burn,” he said, adding the fire was burning across a wide area.

Firefighters and rescuers worked through the night to cope with the consequences of the strike, extinguish fires, and clear through the debris, officials said.

Kharkiv regional prosecutor Oleksandr Filachkov said three drones hit Kharkiv’s Nemyshlyanskyi district.

“As a result, an object of critical infrastructure was destroyed. There was a large amount of fuel, which is why the consequences of the fire were so terrible,” he said, referring to the petrol station.

The Ukrainian air force said that air defence and mobile groups of drone hunters shot down 23 out of 31 Russian-launched drones, which were targeting the Kharkiv region and also the Odesa region.

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« Reply #2283 on: February 10, 2024, 09:22:18 pm »
For the record, there was no Poland when Hitler invaded Russia.
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« Reply #2284 on: February 10, 2024, 09:27:01 pm »
Not be suitably indignant and outraged! hell there was more devastation on Maui and Americans don't give a crap about Americans! You know I'm having a lot of trouble getting my give a damn in gear for every where else when we have crap load of trouble here at home not being dealt with.
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« Reply #2285 on: February 10, 2024, 10:39:13 pm »
Mike Lee on the Senate floor filibustering against the Ukraine funding bill.


https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1756377552606916805
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« Reply #2286 on: February 11, 2024, 08:22:52 am »
Not be suitably indignant and outraged! hell there was more devastation on Maui and Americans don't give a crap about Americans! You know I'm having a lot of trouble getting my give a damn in gear for every where else when we have crap load of trouble here at home not being dealt with.


Said the typical MAGA Putin lover. You Putin trolls are the reason I'm not voting for Trump.  I want the Russian hating GOP back. Like it was under Reagan.
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« Reply #2287 on: February 11, 2024, 08:38:06 am »
Mike Lee is barking up the wrong tree.
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« Reply #2288 on: February 11, 2024, 09:07:17 am »

Said the typical MAGA Putin lover. You Putin trolls are the reason I'm not voting for Trump.

@kevindavis007

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« Reply #2290 on: February 11, 2024, 09:35:16 am »
Frankly, it's difficult to get my 'give a damn' in gear when one Party doesn't follow our laws, the other wanks around doing something, and egregious perpetrators of High Crimes walk while misdemeanor offenses get others the oubliette. They are all liars, just some a little smoother than others.

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« Reply #2291 on: February 11, 2024, 11:58:06 am »

Said the typical MAGA Putin lover. You Putin trolls are the reason I'm not voting for Trump.  I want the Russian hating GOP back. Like it was under Reagan.
And a HEARTY KMA to you sir! When someone/anyone shows me what was accomplished by the sacrifice of American blood and treasure (except by Reagan and that only took treasure and was really the only win I can recall) to stop communism. You are an ass when you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a Putin lover. My parents, grandparents, uncle, God parents....everyone in my parents circle of friends that I grew up knowing, all escaped from Hungary and Russia's control so maybe I know a bit about Russia that doesn't come from books, TV reporting and someone's emotional gut, also about America not fulfilling a promise. But hey let's keep bankrolling a war that Ukraine can't win, even if it costs every American dollar and Ukraine young mans life. So once again KMA! I suggest you put me on ignore if my different opinion gets your panties in a twist, it's where I will put you

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« Reply #2292 on: February 11, 2024, 12:04:17 pm »
And a HEARTY KMA to you sir! When someone/anyone shows me what was accomplished by the sacrifice of American blood and treasure (except by Reagan and that only took treasure and was really the only win I can recall) to stop communism. You are an ass when you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a Putin lover. My parents, grandparents, uncle, God parents....everyone in my parents circle of friends that I grew up knowing, all escaped from Hungary and Russia's control so maybe I know a bit about Russia that doesn't come from books, TV reporting and someone's emotional gut, also about America not fulfilling a promise. But hey let's keep bankrolling a war that Ukraine can't win, even if it costs every American dollar and Ukraine young mans life. So once again KMA! I suggest you put me on ignore if my different opinion gets your panties in a twist, it's where I will put you

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« Reply #2293 on: February 11, 2024, 03:58:41 pm »
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I hope all American voters of Polish heritage watched how MAGA loyalist Tucker Carlson didn’t bat an eye to Putins outrageous claim that the Poles were responsible for Hitlers invasion of their country

So,someone of  Polish descent named  McFaul is now implying/claiming the Soviet invasion of Poland was Trump's fault????

I know the left and the mindless middle were panicking  over Trump's  WH run,but this is a whole new level of desperation.
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« Reply #2294 on: February 11, 2024, 04:34:08 pm »
And a HEARTY KMA to you sir! When someone/anyone shows me what was accomplished by the sacrifice of American blood and treasure (except by Reagan and that only took treasure and was really the only win I can recall) to stop communism. You are an ass when you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a Putin lover. My parents, grandparents, uncle, God parents....everyone in my parents circle of friends that I grew up knowing, all escaped from Hungary and Russia's control so maybe I know a bit about Russia that doesn't come from books, TV reporting and someone's emotional gut, also about America not fulfilling a promise. But hey let's keep bankrolling a war that Ukraine can't win, even if it costs every American dollar and Ukraine young mans life. So once again KMA! I suggest you put me on ignore if my different opinion gets your panties in a twist, it's where I will put you

Well put.

I am all for helping Ukraine, after we have

(1) taken care of the hoard at  border, and resolved the fentanyl crisis
(2) resolved and helped the Mount Palistine Ohio rail vicitms,
(3) Get those who lost in all in Maui back on their feet
(4) Add  no more Fedzilla debt.  $34T is f'ing way past enough

Positin wise :
* Putin as a POS despot who deserves to die 
* I am  hardly one who doesn't even remotely fits the MAGA agenda or support.  I've dissed Trump here as much or more than anyone.   * Sick and tired of lining Zellinsky's grift. 
* Never seen so much trolling lately at TBR.
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« Reply #2295 on: February 11, 2024, 05:15:21 pm »
Said the typical MAGA Putin lover. You Putin trolls are the reason I'm not voting for Trump.  I want the Russian hating GOP back. Like it was under Reagan.

@GtHawk isn't a Putin lover.  And I should know.  I never see him at any of the meetings.


I want the Russian hating GOP back. Like it was under Reagan.

As do I.  But that ship sailed away at the RNC Convention in 2016.

As for Mike Lee, his comments are directly addressing the (BS) narrative that he was handed.  And in that regard, his comment is 100% valid.  The bottom line here is that the GOP demanded something be done about the border.  But unfortunately, that decision was completely out of the hands of the legislature.  But give that no mind.  The dumb-ass GOP demanded that Congress "do something" about the border, so that is exactly what they got.  Except that the Democrats used that opportunity to write a bill that codifies every bad thing that Biden has done, thus making his illegal actions 'legal'.  At which point even Mitch McConnell woke up and killed it.

But the original narrative was still fresh in the air.  So what do we have?  Instead of everything rolled into one bill, we got no bill for the border (thank G-d), and we get separate bills for Ukraine and Israel (as it should be).  So now Senators like Mike Lee are holding the bag containing the original narrative and seeing that Congress isn't going to do a damn thing about the border.  So he is reminding his fellow legislatures of this by reciting that original rhetoric.

As far as Congress goes, they had one and only one opportunity to fix this.  And they blew that (thanks to Kevin McCarthy) when they raised the debt ceiling.  That was the one  and only opportunity for Republicans to get anything done, and they forfeited that well past the next election.  And this is why the GOP is known as the Stupid Party.

But back to Ukraine.  Just because someone opposes Ukraine money because they are an isolationist (Rand Paul) or they don't believe in spending money we don't have (Mike Lee), it doesn't make them a Putin loving MAGA type.  Sure, those types of Democrat-lite Republicans exist.  But I can assure you that GtHawk is not one of them.
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« Reply #2296 on: February 11, 2024, 05:24:15 pm »
Moldova Police Find Russian Drone Fragments Near Ukraine Border

Reuters  |  Feb. 11, 2024, at 2:17 p.m.


CHISINAU (Reuters) - Police on Sunday found fragments of a Russian drone alongside the Moldova border with Ukraine, prompting pro-European President Maia Sandu to renew her support for Kyiv in its nearly two-year-old war with Moscow.

The war has buffeted Moldova, with periodic reports of weapon fragments found on the territory of the ex-Soviet state lying between Ukraine and Romania. Sandu, whose main policy goal is securing European Union membership, has singled out Russia and corruption as the two greatest threats to her country.  .  .

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« Reply #2297 on: February 11, 2024, 09:29:55 pm »

1917: USSR invades Ukraine, Kazakhstan

1918: USSR invades Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania

1919: USSR invades Poland

1920: USSR invades Armenia, Azerbaijan

1922: USSR invades Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan

1925: USSR invades Afghanistan

1929: USSR invades China, Afghanistan

1930: USSR invades Afghanistan (again)

1934: USSR invades China

1939: USSR invades Poland

1939: USSR invades Finland

1940: USSR invades Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania

1945: USSR invades and occupies part of Denmark after the German surrender until 1946

1949: NATO is founded with Denmark

952: Turkey, Greece join NATO

1953: USSR invades East Germany

1955: West Germany joins NATO

1956: USSR invades Hungary

1968: USSR invades Czechoslovakia

1979: USSR invades Afghanistan

1982: Spain joins NATO

1991: Russia invades Lithuania, Georgia (South Ossetia)

992: Russia invades Georgia (Abkhazia), Moldova

1994: USSR invades Ichkeria (Chechnya)

1999: Hungary, Poland, Czechia join NATO

1999: USSR invades Chechnya

2004: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia join NATO

2008: Russia invades Georgia

2009: Albania, Croatia join NATO

2014: Russia invades Ukraine

2015: Russia invades Syria

2017: Montenegro joins NATO

2020: North Macedonia joins NATO

2022: Russia invades Ukraine

2023: Finland joins NATO

I wonder why a lot of countries don't like Russia and want to join NATO.
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« Reply #2298 on: February 12, 2024, 10:53:57 am »
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« Reply #2299 on: February 17, 2024, 09:24:03 am »
Ukraine makes major troop withdrawal in key win for Putin and Russia

Ukrainian troops have withdrawn from the key battleground town of Avdiivka in the east of the country which could pave the way for a Russian advance as the war nears its second anniversary.

The withdrawal, announced as Ukraine faces acute shortages of ammunition with U.S. military aid delayed for months in Congress, aimed to save troops from being fully surrounded by Russian forces after months of fierce fighting, Kyiv said.

Most of the city’s pre-war population of 32,000 people has already left, and the town has been almost completely destroyed.

General Oleksandr Syrskyi, who took the helm of the Ukrainian military in a major shakeup last week, announced the withdrawal as a tactical move to save the lives of troops in a town that has been under heavy attack for months.

"I decided to withdraw our units from the town and move to defense from more favorable lines in order to avoid encirclement and preserve the lives and health of servicemen."

"Our soldiers performed their military duty with dignity, did everything possible to destroy the best Russian military units, inflicted significant losses on the enemy in terms of manpower and equipment," he said.

Russia stepped up its offensive on Avdiivka in October and Ukraine's position had been looking increasingly fraught for weeks.............

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