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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2150 on: January 08, 2024, 10:12:47 am »

Bottomline, Putin has wanted to reunite the former USSR for a long time, and started with Ukraine.  I am certain he thought he would conquer Ukraine in just a few days.  Frankly, I never imagined they would last this long, but that is due to believing Russia was a stronger military force than they are.  It appears to me Russia is largely a paper tiger.

I agree fully with that part of you post @jafo2010 but I see I see protecting the money laundering as the ONLY real reason the USA is aiding Ukraine.  Call me cynical.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2151 on: January 08, 2024, 04:01:07 pm »
I agree fully with that part of you post @jafo2010 but I see I see protecting the money laundering as the ONLY real reason the USA is aiding Ukraine.  Call me cynical.
Keep in mind that with that much money flying around, there is always room for kickbacks and laundering, with enough to fight a war left over.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2152 on: January 08, 2024, 05:37:05 pm »
Russia is firing everything it has at Ukraine right now. Cruise missiles from bombers, sea-launched cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, suicide drones & S-300 missiles against Kharkiv. They are going after the energy grid

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1744235518953488770

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And the Chinese are LOVING the hell out of it. The sooner Russia wastes all her missiles,soldiers,armor,etc,etc,etc on Ukraine,the happier China will be because they will then be free to just walk into Russia and take over the oil fields and gold mines. A few Russian draftees with  AK's won't be enough to even slow them down,never mind stop them.

Hell,Russia is even building a road and docking facilities for ships for them!

Kinda makes you wonder if ANYBODY in a military uniform in Russia is paying attention,doesn't it?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2153 on: January 08, 2024, 05:38:38 pm »
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And the Chinese as LOVING the hell out of it. The sooner Russia wastes all her missiles,soldiers,armor,etc,etc,etc on Ukraine,they will be free to just walk into Russia and take over the oil fields and gold mines. A few Russian draftees with  AK's won't be enough to even slow them down,never mind stop them.

Hell,Russia is even building a road and docking facilities for ships for them!

Kinda makes you wonder if ANYBODY in a military uniform in Russia is paying attention,doesn't it?
They are just following orders, don'cha know.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2154 on: January 08, 2024, 05:39:41 pm »
They are just following orders, don'cha know.

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Which is what all "good little comrades" are expected to do.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2155 on: January 08, 2024, 05:53:11 pm »
Keep in mind that with that much money flying around, there is always room for kickbacks and laundering, with enough to fight a war left over.

 :yowsa: That's exactly the point.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2156 on: January 08, 2024, 11:36:06 pm »
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Which is what all "good little comrades" are expected to do.
Well, it's either that of get shot.  Maybe a labor camp... :shrug:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2157 on: January 09, 2024, 05:44:22 pm »
Well, it's either that of get shot.  Maybe a labor camp... :shrug:

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Well,there is always the option of shooting back.

If you are going to go down anyhow,why not go down fighting?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2158 on: January 09, 2024, 10:35:46 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Well,there is always the option of shooting back.

If you are going to go down anyhow,why not go down fighting?
I have played it through in my head. If the time comes, anyone who has to defend their Country on their home turf should take at least 3 attackers with them unless they are invading Chinese, then the number goes up to a dozen or more.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2159 on: January 10, 2024, 05:04:08 pm »
Well, it's either that of get shot.  Maybe a labor camp... :shrug:

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I'll take "getting shott",thank you  very  much.

Never was real good at following orders.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2160 on: January 11, 2024, 02:00:24 pm »
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This is shocking - the Pentagon can’t account for more than HALF of Ukraine aid checked by watchdogs. And we’re going to send them $60 billion more?
NYT: U.S. Military Aid to Ukraine was Poorly Tracked, Pentagon Report Concludes
1:17 PM · Jan 11, 2024

Story also at Forbes.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2161 on: January 11, 2024, 03:37:07 pm »
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This is shocking - the Pentagon can’t account for more than HALF of Ukraine aid checked by watchdogs. And we’re going to send them $60 billion more?
NYT: U.S. Military Aid to Ukraine was Poorly Tracked, Pentagon Report Concludes
1:17 PM · Jan 11, 2024

Story also at Forbes.

It's a deceptive story with a misleading title.  This is about actual weapons and not cash.  So how do bean U.S. counters keep track of weapons being used in trenches, probably destroyed, on a World War I type of battlefield along a 600-mile front?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2162 on: January 11, 2024, 03:55:00 pm »
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This is shocking - the Pentagon can’t account for more than HALF of Ukraine aid checked by watchdogs. And we’re going to send them $60 billion more?

This isn't surprising considering that we'll over half of the 'aid' [sic] went to the State Dept and USAID.  Care to guess who runs USAID?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2163 on: January 12, 2024, 12:45:18 am »
Top Russian Commander Killed in Crimea Strike

Isabel van Brugen  •  18h


A top Russian commander was killed in an attack on annexed Crimea by Ukrainian forces last week, it has been reported.

News of the death of Russian Colonel Vadim Nailyovich Ismagilov, commander of the 3rd Signals Intelligence Regiment of Russia's Aerospace Forces, comes after Ukrainian troops struck a command post of a Russian military unit near Sevastopol in Crimea on January 4.

The Chelyabinsk Higher Military Automotive Command and Engineering School, from which he graduated in 2003, said on social media platform VKontakte on Wednesday that a farewell to the colonel would take place in Chelyabinsk on Thursday at 11 a.m. local time.


https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine/status/1745029720880648273

The Ukrainian Military Center, a public organization, said the Russian colonel "was eliminated in Crimea."   .  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-russian-commander-killed-in-crimea-strike-reports/ar-AA1mNLcv
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2164 on: January 12, 2024, 06:19:02 am »
Am I the only one surprised that the neo-Soviets would publish this info?

Seems like their usual "Step"  is to deny and then deny some more.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2165 on: January 12, 2024, 09:39:19 am »
"Serbian mercenaries are not satisfied with the conditions in the russian army and the treatment of them as cattle."

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1937gcr/serbian_mercenaries_are_not_satisfied_with_the/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2166 on: January 12, 2024, 09:45:38 am »
US Insufficiently Tracked More Than $1 Billion In Weapons For Ukraine, Pentagon Watchdog Finds

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January 11, 2024 2:05 PM ET


U.S. defense and diplomatic officials improperly tracked more than $1 billion in weapons provided to Ukraine as part of the Biden administration’s efforts to help the country defend itself against Russia’s invasion, raising questions about the U.S. ability to monitor aid, according to an inspector general report.

The investigation focused on how the Department of Defense (DOD) kept tabs on nearly 40,000 items considered sensitive and especially vulnerable to smuggling operations, according to The New York Times, which received a copy of the report. As of June 2, 2023, the U.S. had transferred to Ukraine at least $1.699 billion in items that by law qualify for enhanced end-use monitoring, and DOD officials failed to compile full or timely inventories on 69% of the total value, the report, released in a redacted form Thursday, stated.

DOD’s inability to input items into government databases or confirm their location in a timely manner “may increase the risk of theft or diversion,” the report found.

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« Reply #2167 on: January 13, 2024, 07:37:23 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2168 on: January 13, 2024, 08:15:36 am »
That's exactly what he's saying.  Appeasement and surrender are good for business apparently!
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2169 on: January 13, 2024, 09:34:14 am »
So basically Trump wants appeasement:



https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1745935929108246590


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Trump is going to  lose a lot of his support if his son is telling the truth,and not what he "thinks is  true".

I find it hard to believe that it IS true. The world FINALLY has a genuine chance of freeing the Russian people and the world from the threat of Soviet Communism,and there can be NO excuse for "quitting while you are ahead."

Pooty Poot SHOULD have been removed from office a long time ago,and if the west stops our support of Ukraine,that would amount to endorsing Putin as "Maximum Ruler for Life who can do or say anything he wants to do or say".

Russia SHOULD have caved on the invasion of Ukraine long ago when it became obvious it wasn't going to be the "Cake Walk" they thought it was going to be,and at the rate they are losing conscripts,weapons,and even the ability to defend Russia without resorting to nukes,they are teetering on the verge of total military collapse.

Which would,of course lead to political collapse and uprisings inside Russia. Maybe even  a military rebellion against the state.


They can't continue losing at this rate or they will no longer have an army big enough to even contain rebellious Russian/Soviet citizens,never mind terrorize bordering nations.

Putin MAY think that the oil and gold reserves in Eastern Russia will bail him out on the international front,but the Chinese are salivating at the thought of a Russian military too weakened to stop their invasion and take-over of Eastern Russia and the oil fiends and gold mines. And,of course,if/WHEN that happens,Russia will be all alone in the world when it comes time for them to prevent  the Chinese from taking  over ALL of Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2170 on: January 14, 2024, 12:50:05 am »
Ukrainian artillery shell:

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« Reply #2171 on: January 14, 2024, 08:25:38 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2172 on: January 14, 2024, 08:36:46 am »
This.....

If Putin defeats Ukraine, the Russian threat to our allies in Europe grows dramatically. Investing now to stop Putin in Ukraine helps to avoid bigger wars or threats of war in the future. Let us learn the lessons of the 1930s instead of repeating the same mistakes again.?


EXACTLY!!!   :amen:
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« Reply #2173 on: January 14, 2024, 08:42:42 am »
This.....


https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1746432239993290971?t=ntwixTN5_0f16L4Hc-Weww&s=19

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If Putin defeats Ukraine, the Russian threat to our allies in Europe grows dramatically. Investing now to stop Putin in Ukraine helps to avoid bigger wars or threats of war in the future. Let us learn the lessons of the 1930s instead of repeating the same mistakes again.

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Truer words have never been spoken. Here is America's chance to eliminate the threat of communism in the west without risking the life of a single US military member,and the "better red than dead" crowd is having a freaking fit over it.

Putin IS the "maximum leader of Russia" at the moment,but when/IF the moment comes when he no longer has any fresh  troops to throw into the blood bath in Ukraine,or even the weapons and other "tools" the neo-Soviets need to fight,like food,uniforms,diesel fuel,ammo,vehicles,new draftees,etc,etc,etc,it will be OVER for him as well as over for what we have called "The Soviet Union" for as long as I remember.

The TRUTH is it was NEVER a "Union" it was "Holy Mother Russia" and independent  nations she invaded and conquered and turned into communist slave states.

There is only ONE other nation in the whole world that runs a slave state that has that kind of power,and that is China.

Our next step SHOULD be to stop trade with China and quit enriching the bastards so they can build bigger and more threatening weapons systems and  military branches.

WHY are supposedly intelligent people in major corporations giving contracts to the Chinese,when the Chinese don't even bother to pretend to be anything but an enemy of the rest of the freaking world? The west is funding the next war against us!
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« Reply #2174 on: January 14, 2024, 05:32:37 pm »
The same bunch that is calling this "another Vietnam" are the Communist bastards and their useful idiots and descendants who LOST the Vietnam War.

Our troops won every major engagement. The politicians and the Press lost the War. (Eff you, Walter Cronkite!)
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2175 on: January 15, 2024, 03:08:02 am »
Details about downed A-50 over Azov Sea and shot-down Il-22M

Kateryna Serohina  •  6h


On the evening of January 14, the Ukrainian Air Forces shot down a Russian A-50 airborne early warning aircraft over the Azov Sea. Additionally, they damaged the Air Command Post Il-22.

Detailed characteristics of the destroyed aircraft, their purposes, and their significance to the aggressor.

Aircraft with airborne early warning (AEW) capabilities, such as the A-50, provide military air forces with an advantage over other forces deploying aircraft in the airspace.

The A-50 is equipped with an early warning and control system that detects distant airborne targets. These systems can observe launches of cruise and ballistic missiles, as well as the operation of air defense systems.  .  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/details-about-downed-a-m50-over-azov-sea-and-shot-down-il-22m/ar-AA1mYsoB



Likely, the A-50 was hit with a Patriot missile.  The Il-22 possibly made it back to a Russian airfield.  But losing an A-50 is a big deal.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2177 on: January 15, 2024, 03:24:03 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2178 on: January 15, 2024, 12:19:50 pm »
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BREAKING: Ukrainian President Zelensky has reportedly asked Swiss President Viola Amherd to organize a "high-level peace conference."
To date, the United States has sent over $75 Billion to Ukraine. About 500,000 Ukrainians and Russians have died in the war.
According to the New York Times, Russians outnumber Ukrainians on the battlefield 3 to 1. ...
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2179 on: January 16, 2024, 08:54:27 am »
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine calls for the elite Davos World Economic Forum crowd to join him at a upcoming "global peace summit" to bring an end to the ongoing war with Russia.

https://twitter.com/realmonsanto/status/1747254874721628420
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2180 on: January 16, 2024, 09:11:55 am »
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine calls for the elite Davos World Economic Forum crowd to join him at a upcoming "global peace summit" to bring an end to the ongoing war with Russia.

Russia NOT invited though. 
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2181 on: January 16, 2024, 10:58:54 am »
More from Davos:

Biden Secretary of State Antony Blinken meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the World Economic Forum, the annual gathering of the world's "elites" in Davos, Switzerland

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1747276935498019319
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2182 on: January 16, 2024, 11:00:05 am »
Details about downed A-50 over Azov Sea and shot-down Il-22M

Kateryna Serohina  •  6h


On the evening of January 14, the Ukrainian Air Forces shot down a Russian A-50 airborne early warning aircraft over the Azov Sea. Additionally, they damaged the Air Command Post Il-22.

Detailed characteristics of the destroyed aircraft, their purposes, and their significance to the aggressor.

Aircraft with airborne early warning (AEW) capabilities, such as the A-50, provide military air forces with an advantage over other forces deploying aircraft in the airspace.

The A-50 is equipped with an early warning and control system that detects distant airborne targets. These systems can observe launches of cruise and ballistic missiles, as well as the operation of air defense systems.  .  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/details-about-downed-a-m50-over-azov-sea-and-shot-down-il-22m/ar-AA1mYsoB



Likely, the A-50 was hit with a Patriot missile.  The Il-22 possibly made it back to a Russian airfield.  But losing an A-50 is a big deal.

The A-50 is approximately equivalent to a USAF E-3 AWACS. The Il-22M is a command and control aircraft. Working together they could maintain control over a significant sector of airspace. The loss of the A-50 plus the significant damage to the Il-22M, plus the loss of many highly skilled crew is a pretty big deal. If Russia can replace these two aircraft in the Ukrainian theater, they may keep the aircraft farther awa to be out of missile range, reducing the planes' coverage.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2183 on: January 16, 2024, 10:48:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2184 on: January 16, 2024, 11:01:18 pm »
Children (18 and younger) they think of war in Hollywood way. They think they will be battling some foe, on the field of battle.

That is not what it is like at all. Most of 'combat operations' is just getting to a place, hunker down, and try hard not be killed, by the enemy or even your own kind.

Mostly, you are just waiting to die.
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2185 on: January 17, 2024, 08:30:09 am »
The Ukrainians have been having some quiet but spectacular "wins" by air recently.  Makes me wonder if the F-16s are in the air there now and flying, networked to U.S. aerial surveillance, or else western stealth aircraft are now operating covertly against the Muscovites?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2186 on: January 17, 2024, 09:08:15 am »
Another Russian General bites the dust.


https://twitter.com/aborealis940/status/1746895360809705515

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This is really starting to become a "thing of concern" for Russian General Officers. Sooner or later they are going to start whispering to each other and to Politburo members about the losses.

Remember,a police state only remains a police state for as long as the military and the police go along with it. After all,in a police state,THEY are the ones with all the guns.

BTW,got a "Page doesn't exist" notice when I clicked on the link. Are Putin's Punks trying to hide this?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2187 on: January 18, 2024, 08:51:40 pm »
Armor Experts Breakdown Video Of Ukrainian M2 Bradley Mauling Russian T-90M Tank

The War Zone by Howard Altman| Jan 18, 2024

Veteran armor experts explain the viral video showing Russia’s top tank in Ukraine getting torn-up by a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

new viral video shows the crew of a Russian T-90M Breakthrough tank getting a first-hand lesson in the devastating firepower of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle’s Bushmaster M242 25mm automatic cannon. The War Zone reached out to highly-experienced armor experts to explain exactly what we are seeing in the intense combat footage and how the Bradley was able to take on Russia's most capable frontline tank.

You can read all about the Bradley and what it brings to the fight in Ukraine in this past feature of ours.

Produced by Ukraine’s 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade, which trained on the Bradley in Germany before putting the type to use on the battlefield, the drone-shot video shows Russia's most advanced frontline tank being rapidly hit with 25mm rounds at relatively close range. The video cuts to another view of the engagement, near the town of Stepovoy in Donetsk Oblast, which shows a closer look at the tank being pummeled.

A second video that appears to be from the same engagement shows the tank turret spinning out of control as it approaches a tree before slamming into it. Crew members are seen fleeing before the tank is finished off by a first person view (FPV) kamikaze drone.

An armor expert with direct knowledge of the Bradley and a Bradley master gunner told us that the videos highlight both the capabilities of the weapon and the skill of its crew.

“The Bradley Fighting Vehicle is very survivable, very maneuverable,” said the armor expert, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“It looks like this crew has had a lot of training as well as experience and is very comfortable with the Bradley and able to quickly make decisions under extreme stress when confronting a tank knowing that they're going to have to engage it. And it looks like this crew knew that they could disable the T-90 tank as its rear end was shown to them.”

Tanks are traditionally far more heavily armored at their front than their rear.

It was a particularly impressive engagement, said the armor expert, considering that the T-90M has a 125mm main gun compared to the Bradley’s 25mm Bushmaster and much thicker armor than than the Bradley, especially in the front.

The video also displays the rapid-fire value of the Bushmaster chain gun, which can spew 200 rounds per minute. It can fire two different types of ammo, fed from boxes via chutes into the autoloader.


https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1747917243416244608

More: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/armor-experts-breakdown-video-of-ukrainian-m2-bradley-mauling-russian-t-90m-tank

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2188 on: January 18, 2024, 09:06:19 pm »
Armor Experts Breakdown Video Of Ukrainian M2 Bradley Mauling Russian T-90M Tank

 

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Having never been a tanker or even ever getting close to one makes this hard to believe,but there it IS.

Instead of armored protection,the tank seems more like a VERY heavy chuck of clumsy lead wrapped around the crews necks.

I actually feel sorry  for the tank crews,who  are almost certainly all draftees,other than the tank commanders.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2189 on: January 18, 2024, 09:45:47 pm »
Pretty amazing considering that the Bradley predates the BMP-3.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2190 on: January 19, 2024, 12:46:17 pm »
1. While the T-90 probably has a significant immune zone against the M2's 25 mm cannon, a distance range in which the T-90's armor would not be penetrated, at close ranges penetration is possible.

2. That the three crew of the T-90 are seen running away from the tank after it crashes into a tree probably means that the T-90's armor was not penetrated - i.e. they were not significantly injured by shell fragments or spalling.

3. Many of the M2s' cannon shots can be seen hitting around the turret, where the targeting and defense systems and the smoke/incendiary grenade launchers (the grenades are counter-measures for IR-guided anti-tank projectiles) are located. The defense system sensors can move the turret, when attacked, to face the threat so as to defend against it.

Putting all that together, it looks like the Bradley(s) took out the targeting and defense sensors, so that the tank ceased firing back early in the encounter and control of the turret was lost. The dramatic explosions, especially the big one, did not pop the T-90's turret, and the crew appeared not to have been significantly injured, so the explosions were probably the smoke/incendiary grenades going off.

The T-90 was in the open and a very large target. Therefore it is very likely that the two M2 crews intentionally aimed at the turret to take out the targeting and defense sensors. More about all of the above at these two videos:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6iGTHWU1uk&t=177s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqM_LGOyugs
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2194 on: January 19, 2024, 11:39:28 pm »
If it was voluntary - suck it up buttercup. I have no sympathy for you.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2195 on: January 20, 2024, 06:31:24 am »
from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/19awocm/an_interview_with_the_crew_commander_serhiy_and/

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Sadly,those two just set themselves AND their families up as targets for revenge.

Even after that war ends,and even IF their side is victorious,there WILL be people trying to track them and their families down to seek revenge.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2196 on: January 20, 2024, 01:41:00 pm »
At least they proved that spending eight hours a day playing War Thunder online finally paid off.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2197 on: January 20, 2024, 08:28:47 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2198 on: January 21, 2024, 11:53:53 am »
Join The Reagan Caucus: https://reagancaucus.org/ and the Eisenhower Caucus: https://EisenhowerCaucus.org

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2199 on: January 21, 2024, 03:09:32 pm »
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Ruzzia has a huge rail system, along with tons of gas and oil production...would be a shame if something was to happen to all these flammable assets.

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