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Yet anyone claiming that Trump didn't have total control over spending in his one term in office makes your head explode.

Can you say "class jealousy"?

Class jealousy?  Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.

No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues.  One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand. 

I'd thought that the concepts of  limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....

Rock On Dude....  Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?
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Talk about "simple-minded"!

Incoming Presidents INHERIT a budget,and there is damn little they can do about it,or even the next budget if Congress is controlled by the opposition party.

You want to make economic change,go after congresscritters because THEY are the ones that approve the budgets.

But.....,you already know that and just don't give a damn because you want to demonize "Rich  Orange Man".

Your hypocrisy is still showing. By your own standard, the current deficit under Biden is Trump’s fault

I didn’t make that standard. You did
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Class jealousy?  Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.

No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues.  One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand. 

I'd thought that the concepts of  limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....

Rock On Dude....  Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?

After a while, you just have to give up on people like SP. 

This has all been explained several times to him and his only rebuttals have been some form of Rude orange man



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After a while, you just have to give up on people like SP.  Using logic is an exercise in futility on folks like him

He's a great guy, and one who served our country with honor.

He's just one of pretty small contingent here who just seem to be totally blind to Mr. Trump's shortcomings.  Which in my eyes is (1) total fiscal irresponsibility, (2) lack of moral fiber and service with honor.
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He's a great guy, and one who served our country with honor.

He's just one of pretty small contingent here who just seem to be totally blind to Mr. Trump's shortcomings.  Which in my eyes is (1) total fiscal irresponsibility, (2) lack of moral fiber and service with honor.

I won’t take anyone’s combat service away from them. I served, but it was peacetime and I’m thankful for that.

It’s a  fallacy that because we’re harder on Donald Trump than Joe Biden on this issue that somehow that means that we’re sympathetic to Joe Biden. We expect this from a Democrat. Especially from a career Washington DC politician like Joe Biden.

But we don’t want to see the Republican candidate propose to outspend the Democrat
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Every dollar appropriated by Congress gets spent by the Executive Branch.  The President is the head of that branch.  In other words, he is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates.  So 'hell yes', someone can fix that problem.  And they can fix it in one year.

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I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.

Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?
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OF COURSE I am serious. This is kitchen table sh*t. How much power do YOU have when all your fun-tickets are gone and you're dipping into the jar on top of the fridge to afford some beans and rice? Is that when you haul out the already overloaded credit cards and decide to have a blowout vacation? Or is that when you start pinching pennies and cutting services, shrinking your activities to allow yourself to afford only the most vital things, until your circumstances change?

Any entity does the very same. Or it will fail.

As to congress being to blame, That is certainly true - And that has been admitted over and over. But Tumpy did NOTHING to curtail it... Signing every single porkulous bill right on through. Not a peep. In fact, I remember him saying folks would have to get used to 'budgets' in the trillions instead of billions... Like it's a matter of fact.

Had he used his veto power you'd have a leg to stand upon. Had he created efficiencies to save money in his execution of what Congress had authorized, you'd have a point - But he didn't.
He spent at TWICE the rate of Obummer, and to this date spent more than any president in history. There is NO WAY to defend that.

As for Bidet, your hypocrisy is palpable. Why is it now that Bidet can be blamed, when it is still Congress who holds the purse? Why is it that the things forged during Tumpy's administration and carried forward are not counted, holding Bidet blameless, as you defend Tumpy?

Why don't I criticize the Democrats and Bidet? I DO. I despise them. But they are doing precisely as expected. This is what they do - They are all about central authority, huge spending boondoggles, and curtailing rights. It's what they DO.

But Tumpy and the Republicans beat them at their own game - Spending MORE than Democrats. Growing MORE government... Curtailing MORE rights.

THAT is why I am so offended. The betrayal of Conservative principles was so egregious and so profound that it is utterly indefensible.

Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight for small government and fiscal sanity. Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight to preserve our rights and keep us free of a burgeoning federal state.

Betrayal. Flat out betrayal. Sonsabiches, every one. Including Tumpy, who is as big government (read 'liberal, progressive') as they come.

That's a hard line right there. Bright as the sun. Step over that line into supporting big government, and you have betrayed the very root of American greatness, founded foremost in small government and libertarianism. Not merely flirting around the edges to be overlooked... This is flat out overturning Americanism. Against America. Betrayal of every promise, because you are attacking the very root of all of it.

THAT's why I am far harder on Republicans supporting big government. They are the only defender AGAINST big government. And you would have me ignore their insipid refusal to pick up the sword and fight as they have sworn and blame democrats. But Republicans, outside of foolish partisanship, are the very same damn thing.

The liberals are winning.
Not by merit, as they have no merit.
They are winning because they have no opposition.

And you're alright with that if you defend a big government Republican. There is no excuse.

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Your hypocrisy is too thick to cut with  a chain saw. Rude Orange Man lives in your head every day and controls your every thought.
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Amen!!

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You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?

Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.

Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.
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Class jealousy?  Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.

No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues.  One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand. 

I'd thought that the concepts of  limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....

Rock On Dude....  Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?

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You are right of course,and the way to fix all that is to elect another party insider,right?

Good call,dude and dudette!
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You are right of course,and the way to fix all that is to elect another party insider,right?

Good call,dude and dudette!

If you are alluding to RDS, the last time I saw he wasn't spouting off silly shit like Freedom cities which might add another $15T to the deficit.  But I guess that Trump position is just fine and good with you, huh Pete?
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I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.

Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?

Your rebuttals become weaker and weaker the more this thread goes on

I would quit if I was you and not keep digging a hole for yourself that you insist on digging

You keep telling us that you want a president with bad manners and who calls everybody names but you don’t really tell us what you expect that to accomplish except to make you happy

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@roamer_1

You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?

Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.

Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.


@sneakypete    ????? What the heck are you talking about and STOP making assumptions about me.

It's one think to debate it's another to make ridiculous accusations.  :seeya:
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Your hypocrisy is too thick to cut with  a chain saw. Rude Orange Man lives in your head every day and controls your every thought.

An absurd ad hominem that barely deserves reply. Seems to be how Tumpistas work... When they cannot defend their position, attack the man.

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@roamer_1

You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?

Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.

Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.

I don't trust ANY politician. EVER. Hell, I didn't trust Reagan.

Maybe that's where your problem starts.

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You believe the reason we have such an out of control debt and deficits is because of illegal immigration????

@LMAO

Didn't realize you were such a fan of illegal aliens. 

MOST people would realize that illegal aliens are just an important part of why the budget is out of order.Since that seems to be your only concern,I am a little surprised you  didn't pick up on it.

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In fact, based on your posting history, if the article was the same, but it was Trump instead of Biden, you would be defending the spending

You are more full of shit than a Christmas goose. Bad acid?


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At least, I hope this gives you Trump populists some understanding why conservatives emphasize controlling spending and it isn’t about “me, me ME DAMMIT!”   Lol


The HELL it isn't. It is your ONLY concern.
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TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS.

Next.

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Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?

You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?
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I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. Whenever there’s any condemnation of Donald Trump when it comes to our debt, you either make excuses for him, or tell other posters they are selfish for wanting to cut spending

But now that it’s Joe Biden doing the same thing,the debt and deficit is suddenly a concern of yours

@LMAO

Is lying about Trump ALL that you  do,or do you have other hobbies?

BTW,PLEASE explain  to us all how Trump got the authority to write and approve federal budgets.

Once you are done with that,PLEASE explain to us how Trump,who no longer holds  public office is responsible for the current budget.

Trump just lives in your head 24/7,doesn't he?

Rude Orange Billionaire! How DARE him do that and not offer to pay you rent!

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Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?

You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?

So why does it matter who we elect as President if they can't do anything about spending?

The fact of the matter is the President can do something about it. First he has the bully pulpit to make his case before the American people of why spending should be cut and then tell congress to rein it in or he'll veto it. If congress overrides his veto they own it in front of the electorate. The way it went down, Trump owned it by doing nothing other complaining about it the day he signed it into law.
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Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?

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Seriously?

Are you REALLY THAT freaking desperate?

Once again,explain how Trump,who  is no longer even in office,controlled Congressional Budgets when he was President,and somehow,in YOUR alleged mind,seems to be controlling them now.

Yet it makes sense for you and your fellow loons to spend more time fighting against and slandering Trump than you  do Biden.

BTW,are you going to vote for Biden if Trump is the Republican nominee? If not,WHY not?
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Seriously?

Are you REALLY THAT freaking desperate?

Once again,explain how Trump,who  is no longer even in office,controlled Congressional Budgets when he was President,and somehow,in YOUR alleged mind,seems to be controlling them now.

Yet it makes sense for you and your fellow loons to spend more time fighting against and slandering Trump than you  do Biden.

BTW,are you going to vote for Biden if Trump is the Dim nominee? If not,WHY not?

Three pages of your posts and yet you still haven’t explained why you hold Biden accountable for the deficits under his watch but not Trump for the deficits on his watch. The difference between you and I is I hold both Biden and Trump accountable for the overspending done on each men’s watch and especially the Congress during that time. You curiously exempt Trump

Oh well. I didn’t think I was going to get anything representing a rational and logical response. As expected, just a bunch of straw man arguments

Let’s face it. You got caught. Admit your double standard and move on
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Three pages of your posts and yet you still haven’t explained why you hold Biden accountable for the deficits under his watch but not Trump for the deficits on his watch

Oh well. I didn’t think I was going to get anything representing a rational and logical response. As expected, just a bunch of straw man arguments

Let’s face it. You got caught. Admit your double standard and move on

@LMAO

Ok,I will type slowly.

Biden had the full support and backing of the DNC,as well as some support from alleged Republicans.

He PROMOTED his deficient,and had the backing of Dim Party. It was as much the DNC offical budget as it was  the WH budget.

Trump,not having the support in Congress that Biden  had was powerless to stop the feral budget proposed while he was  President and if he had used his veto power, he would have just been accused of adding to the economic problem.

Hard to win the vote of Steve and Sally Sixpack when the DNC,the national as well as most of the local media,and even some of your own people oppose your veto.
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Ok,I will type slowly.

Biden had the full support and backing of the DNC,as well as some support from alleged Republicans.

He PROMOTED his deficient,and had the backing of Dim Party. It was as much the DNC offical budget as it was  the WH budget.

Trump,not having the support in Congress that Biden  had was powerless to stop the feral budget proposed while he was  President and if he had used his veto power, he would have just been accused of adding to the economic problem.

Hard to win the vote of Steve and Sally Sixpack when the DNC,the national as well as most of the local media,and even some of your own people oppose your veto.


Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.




Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.

But you keep on making excuses. They get more lame with each post

Really, why it would be so hard for you to say “boy I like that Trump guy and I’m gonna vote for him in 2024, but I wish hecwould try to at least reign in some of the spending if elected?”


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I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.

I believe in strong leadership.  I believe in a President who will do what it takes to achieve the economic survival of this nation - not one who lets the Swamp call the shots on everything budgetary.


@Hoodat
Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?

Is it Santa's fault if Trump runs up more debt in a four year period than any other President in US history?  Or maybe it's Trump's fault.
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Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.




Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.

Correct.  The pitfalls of making it up as you go.
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Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?

It is the Executive branch that has the discretion to carry out the actual spending.  Congress can appropriate the money, but they don't get to spend the money.  That power falls on the President.


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You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?

You DO know that Trump's signature was at the bottom of every one of those spending bills, right?
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Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?

You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?

Ain't that HIS SIGNATURE on the bottom of every single one of those bills? What's that for?

And then I suppose you'll be telling me none of the current spending is Bidet's fault either...
And then you'll tell me all the spending during Obummer's reign was not his fault either...
Then what?

No... The buck stops at the TOP. As it always has. Clinton gets credit for what the 94 Congress did, because whether it works or not is judged on the presidents, good or bad.
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Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.




Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.

But you keep on making excuses. They get more lame with each post

Really, why it would be so hard for you to say “boy I like that Trump guy and I’m gonna vote for him in 2024, but I wish hecwould try to at least reign in some of the spending if elected?”

@LMAO

It's not hard. It's "falling off the log" easy.

I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.

Sad to say,it looks like America is now truly a One-Party Leftist Nation.
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I believe in strong leadership.  I believe in a President who will do what it takes to achieve the economic survival of this nation - not one who lets the Swamp call the shots on everything budgetary.

@Hoodat

Ok,so you want a right-wing dictator to match the left-wing dictators in the DNC.

I want a President elected by the majority of the AMERICAN voters who is dedicated to TRYING to do what he or she can do to save and preserve America and the "American way of life".

Looks like neither one of is going to get what we want.


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Is it Santa's fault if Trump runs up more debt in a four year period than any other President in US history?  Or maybe it's Trump's fault.

It is the fault of CONGRESS,you dumbass!

But you  already know that,and just don't care because this gives you the excuse you want to demonize "Rude  Orange  Man" because he is rich and was born into wealth.
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Ok,so you want a right-wing dictator to match the left-wing dictators in the DNC.

There is nothing in any of my posts that would even remotely suggest that.  The Executive Branch is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates.  That is what the Constitution says.


I want a President elected by the majority of the AMERICAN voters who is dedicated to TRYING to do what he or she can do to save and preserve America and the "American way of life".

That dream ended the day that Trump hired the Chairman of the Swamp to be his chief of staff.


It is the fault of CONGRESS,you dumbass!

Your double-standard is duly noted.  Again.  It is the President's fault except when Trump is the President.  So even though Trump's name was at the bottom of every single one of those spending bills, Trump is innocent.  And even though Trump could have held off on all that Covid spending that Congress appropriated, it's Congress' fault that Trump chose to spend it anyway.

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I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.

Poor widdle Tumpy... He can't help it...

*SPIT*

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I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.

That's some weak-ass shit right there.
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@LMAO

It's not hard. It's "falling off the log" easy.

I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.

Sad to say,it looks like America is now truly a One-Party Leftist Nation.

Well, it appears that you’ve carved out quite an exemption for Mr. Trump on this issue that you will not do for anybody else.

The problem with your statement is that Trump did have veto power. And Trump himself said, while president,  that we should keep borrowing because interest rates were low. He also attempted to push the Federal Reserve to drop interest rates to zero or less so that we could hide the true cost of the debt. And when he was running the first time, he claimed that we could never default because we could print all the money we need. So this  idea that he was a victim in this is complete nonsense.

 Sorry, but the facts and the history are against you plus basic civics and economics
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Ain't that HIS SIGNATURE on the bottom of every single one of those bills? What's that for?

And then I suppose you'll be telling me none of the current spending is Bidet's fault either...
And then you'll tell me all the spending during Obummer's reign was not his fault either...
Then what?

No... The buck stops at the TOP. As it always has. Clinton gets credit for what the 94 Congress did, because whether it works or not is judged on the presidents, good or bad.

His lame excuse is that if he VETOED spending bills, Congress would’ve probably overridden his VETO.

Probably. But then you could  blame Congress and Congress alone for that. But that’s not what happened
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Funny thing:  Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow. 

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His lame excuse is that if he VETOED spending bills, Congress would’ve probably overridden his VETO.

Probably. But then you could  blame Congress and Congress alone for that. But that’s not what happened

Totally LAME.

Tumpy's legendary bellicosity was never brought forth on the subject... Not a peep from the Bully Pulpit. Not a word to his mighty patriots... Not a single plea laid before the American People. In fact he lied about it... At least by omission... Had he got up and said to the folks that they're driving us into the poor house, and drove the congress before them with belligerence, he might have been able to whip em into doing the right dang thing.

NONE of that happened. Not even a little. So much for his electioneering promise.

He was FINE with it. And so he signed his name.

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Totally LAME.

Tumpy's legendary bellicosity was never brought forth on the subject... Not a peep from the Bully Pulpit. Not a word to his mighty patriots... Not a single plea laid before the American People. In fact he lied about it... At least by omission... Had he got up and said to the folks that they're driving us into the poor house, and drove the congress before them with belligerence, he might have been able to whip em into doing the right dang thing.

NONE of that happened. Not even a little. So much for his electioneering promise.

He was FINE with it. And so he signed his name.


Exactly.  Most likely because the democrats tickled his ego and whispered sweet nothings into his ear about how signing off on the spending would make him a second FDR.

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Funny thing:  Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow.

Lol

This is probably why some of them choose never to answer any questions re: Trump policies

On one hand, we’re told he’s the only candidate that can fight the left. Yet, when it came to the one big issue that required fighting the left on, he folded pretty quickly

Nobody here has ever said that the debt and deficits were all the fault of Donald Trump. But he wasn’t just a victim of the “RINOs and Dims”  as is being claimed here
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There is nothing in any of my posts that would even remotely suggest that.  The Executive Branch is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates.  That is what the Constitution says.


That dream ended the day that Trump hired the Chairman of the Swamp to be his chief of staff.


Your double-standard is duly noted.  Again.  It is the President's fault except when Trump is the President.  So even though Trump's name was at the bottom of every single one of those spending bills, Trump is innocent.  And even though Trump could have held off on all that Covid spending that Congress appropriated, it's Congress' fault that Trump chose to spend it anyway.

@Hoodat

I will type this slowly so that even someone as slow as you MIGHT be able to understand it. If not,ask someone in Jr High  to explain it  to you.

PRESIDENTS don't create or vote for national spending budgets. CONGRESS  does this,and since Congress is controlled by Dims,they approve any budget the DNC presents  them with.

A REPUBLICAN (note  the word "Republican") president does NOT create budgets or vote for budgets. He or she can only sign-off on the budgets presented to them by the DNC,or refuse to sign them,thus shutting  the country down.

Are you REALLY so stupid that you  are pissed because Trump did NOT choose to shut the country down,and by doing so create total chaos that HE would have gotten blamed for instead of the Dims?

Well,not only the Dims. Their RINO colleagues were as guilty as them.

It was a lose/lose situation created by the Dims because  they were in control of the  budget.
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Poor widdle Tumpy... He can't help it...

*SPIT*


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Ok,asshat,how about tell us what he COULD have done,facing a Dim congress.

Do NOT say "He could have  held his breath  until his face turned blue".
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Well, it appears that you’ve carved out quite an exemption for Mr. Trump on this issue that you will not do for anybody else.

 


@LMAO

WHAT "anyone else"? There WAS NO "anyone else"

BTW,you DO know the DNC were the ones that created that budget,and who approved all the spending,right?

Do you somehow think that Trump was in charge of the DNC?
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Funny thing:  Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow.

@Kamaji
Buy you  books,send you to school,and you still live in an imaginary world that doesn't exist anywhere but in your head.
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Well, yes Trump ran up the deficit, but we sure as heck didn't see the invasion at the border that we're seeing now.  Just sayin'.

Our country will not be able to economically sustain all these ILLEGALS.  The economy has already tanked.

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WHAT "anyone else"? There WAS NO "anyone else"

BTW,you DO know the DNC were the ones that created that budget,and who approved all the spending,right?

Do you somehow think that Trump was in charge of the DNC?


Lol...
keep digging. The more you reply to this thread, the more you expose yourself and weaken your point
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Well, yes Trump ran up the deficit, but we sure as heck didn't see the invasion at the border that we're seeing now.  Just sayin'.

Our country will not be able to economically sustain all these ILLEGALS.  The economy has already tanked.

@libertybele

So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien  invasion??????

I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell  with America and  everyone in it.

The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory  come election day.
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   Only the self-proclaimed 'King of Debt' can run up the Debt/Deficit beyond Historic Levels and blame it on everyone else AND still keep his Disciples coming back for more. 
   Strange Days Indeed.
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So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien  invasion??????

I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense.

What???? I said the exact opposite.  With Trump we did not see that invasion at the border that we are seeing now.  How is that claiming that Trump is to blame?  Slow down, take a breath and read without assuming I'm saying something against him.

Yes, Trump did run up the deficit. So, should we pretend he didn't??? 

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So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien  invasion??????

I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell  with America and  everyone in it.

The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory  come election day.

Wow. Just wow **nononono*

This started because you took a justified shot at Biden for the deficit but you then made the case and have made the case that Trump was completely  blameless for the debt during his tenure because the spending was all approved by others while ignoring that he had no issue with signing them.

Now you lash out because I and others rightly pointed out your hypocrisy. So is your position then that the 928 B deficit under Biden was spending deals made under the Trump admin and therefore, Biden is blameless??

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@libertybele

So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien  invasion??????

I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell  with America and  everyone in it.

The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory  come election day.



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Ok,asshat,how about tell us what he COULD have done,facing a Dim congress.

Do NOT say "He could have  held his breath  until his face turned blue".

@sneakypete

Foremost get his own ducks in a row... Republicans should have been four-square against spending to begin with. As leader of the Republicans it is his job to get them in line and on the same page.

He was incapable of doing that (right wrong or indifferent, it didn't happen).

Secondly, he could have turned his proven belligerence at Congress, using his Bully Pulpit to lever things his direction. He didn't do that either.

Thirdly, he could have taken his plea to the American People and told them flat out that we are on a train to hell if we don't turn the dollar around and stop spending. He didn't do that either.

Fourthly, he could have refused to sign the bills and force the Democrats to override the veto... Putting the blame directly on the Democrats instead of the bipartisanship he performed. But he didn't do that either.

and then Fifthly, he could have held his breath till he turned blue. But again, nope...

Instead, he meekly folded like a two dollar lawn chair and gave them everything they wanted, signing his name, and owning every bit of it himself.

THAT's what he did.
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@sneakypete again go back and actually read what I posted.

Take a deep breath, calm down.  Ultimately we ALL want a free America and the corruption to stop.