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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2023, 09:42:40 pm »
Other than your fellow Trump shills at Breitbart, it's mostly lefty outlets like Politico, The Hill, The New York Slimes, The "Independent" (ha!), MSNBC and The Daily Beast.

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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2023, 09:43:25 pm »
Just to show who is pushing a false portrayal of Ted Cruz's speech, here is the full text:



Thank you. Thank you, and God bless each and every one of you. Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just led an incredible comeback victory. And I am convinced, America is going to come back, too.

I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night. And like each of you, I want to see the principles of that our party believes prevail in November. Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks, I hope you will allow me a moment to talk to you about what is really at stake.

Just two weeks ago, a nine-year-old girl named Caroline was having a carefree Texas summer, swimming in the pool, playing with friends, doing all of the things a happy child might do. Like most children, she relied upon the love that she received from her mom, Heidi, and her dad, a police sergeant named Michael Smith. That is, until he became one of the five police officers gunned down in Dallas.

The day her father was murdered, Caroline gave him a hug and a kiss as he left for work. But as they parted, her dad asked her something he hadn’t asked before. What if this is the last time you ever kiss or hug me? Later, as she thought of her fallen father, and that last heartbreaking hug, Caroline broke down in tears. How could anything ever be ok again?

Michael Smith was a former army ranger who spent three decades with the Dallas police department. I have no idea who he voted for in the last election or what he thought about this one. But his life was a testament to devotion. He protected the very protesters who mocked him because he loved his country and his fellow man. His work gave new meaning to that line from literature, to die of love is to live by it.

As I thought about what I wanted to say tonight, Michael Smith's story weighed on my heart maybe that is because his daughter Caroline is about the same age as my eldest daughter, and happens to share the same name. Maybe it is because I saw a video of that dear, sweet child choking back sobs as she remembered her daddy's last question to her.

Maybe it’s because we live in a world where so many others had their lives destroyed by evil in places like Orlando and Paris and Nice and Baton Rouge. Maybe it’s because of the simple question itself, what if this, right now, is our last time? Our last moment to do something for our families and our country? Did we live up to the values we say we believe? Did we do all we really could? That is really what this election should be about. That’s why you and millions like you devoted so much time and sacrifice to this campaign.

We’re fighting not for one particular candidate or one campaign, but because each of us wants to be able to tell our kids and grandkids, our own Carolines, that we did our best for their future and our country.

America is more than just a land mass between two oceans. America is an ideal, a simple but powerful idea. Freedom matters. For much of human history, government power has been the unavoidable constant in life. Government decrees and the people obey. But not here.

We have no king or queen, we have no dictator, we the people constrain government. Our nation is exceptional because it was built on the five most beautiful and powerful words in the English language, I want to be free.

Never has that message been more needed than today. We stand here tonight a nation divided. Partisan rancor, even hatred are tearing America apart and citizens are furious, rightly furious, at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises and that ignores the will of the people.

We have to do better. We owe our fallen heroes more than that. Now, of course, Obama and Clinton will also tell you that they care about our children's future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties' vision for the future. Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a JV team. That responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, what difference does it make?

And that thinks it is possible to make a deal with Iran which celebrates its holidays, death to America day and death to Israel day. My friends, this is madness. President Obama is a man who does everything backwards. He wants to close Guantanamo Bay and open up our borders. He exports jobs and imports terrorists. Enough is enough.

And I am here to tell you there is a better vision for our future, a return to freedom. On education, your freedom to choose your child's education, even if you aren’t as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. On health care, your freedom to choose your own doctor without Obamacare. On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door. The internet, keep it free from taxes, free from regulation, and do not give it away to Russia and China.

Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces. Freedom means religious freedom, whether you're Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Whether you're gay or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience. Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms and protect your family. Freedom means that every human life is precious and must be protected.

Freedom means Supreme Court justices who do not dictate policy but instead, follow the Constitution. And freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado might decide something different than Texas. New York, different than Iowa. That is the way it is supposed to be, diversity. If not, what is the point of having states to begin with?

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, health care, marriage, speech, all dictated out of Washington. But something powerful is happening. We have seen it in both parties. We have seen it in the United Kingdom’s unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union.

Voters are overwhelmingly rejecting the political establishment and overwhelmingly rejecting big government. That is a profound victory, and it is one earned by each and every one of you. People are fed up with politicians who don’t listen to them. Fed up with a corrupt system that benefits the elites instead of working men and women. We deserve an immigration system that puts America first, and yes, builds a wall to keep America safe.

A government, a government that stops admitting ISIS terrorists as refugees. We deserve trade policies that put the interests of American farmers and manufacturing jobs over the global interests that are funding the lobbyists. And if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work.

We can do this. 47 years ago, to this day, America put the very first man on the moon. That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican Party, was founded to defeat slavery. Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Together, we passed the Civil Rights Act, and together, we thought to eliminate Jim Crow laws.

That is our collective legacy, although the media will never share it with you. Those were fights for freedom, and so is this. Sergeant Michael Smith stood up to protect our freedom, so do the soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines every day, fighting radical Islamic terrorism. And so did the family of Alton Sterling, who bravely called to end the violence.

So did the families of those murdered at the Charleston Emmanuel AME church over who forgave that hateful, bigoted murderer. And so can we. We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love. That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And to those listening, please, don’t stay home in November.

If you love our country, and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.

I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation. And I will tell you, it is love of freedom that has allowed millions to achieve their dreams. Like my mom, the first and her family to go to college, and my my dad, who is here tonight, who fled prison and torture in Cuba, coming to Texas with just $100 sewn into his underwear. And it is love that I hope will bring comfort to a grieving nine-year-old girl in Dallas.

And God willing, propel her to move forward and dream, and soar and make her daddy proud. We must make the most of our moments to fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights, even if -- even with those with whom we do not agree. So that when we are old and gray, and when our work is done and we give those we love one final kiss goodbye, we will be able to say, freedom matters and I was part of something beautiful.

The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people, is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom and be faithful to the Constitution.

We will unite the party, we will unite the country, by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-text-ted-cruzs-2016-republican-national-convention/story?id=40768272

Thanks for posting; such a powerful speech!!
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2023, 09:48:22 pm »
I have no problem voting my conscience over these words below:

So tell me, @Right_in_Virginia what part of this offends you?

None of his word salad changes his bottom line:  Cruz was okay with a Hillary Clinton victory, in fact he preferred it to a Trump victory and promoted a Trump loss at the RNC Convention.

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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2023, 09:58:26 pm »
For someone who has this thing wrapped up, why so much vitriol @Right_in_Virginia ?

Seems the orangie toadies would try to get along at this point with conservatives.  You might need us later :cool:

"Vitriol"...he says, following by another personal insult (orange toadies)

LOL!  Such a load of crap!

We didn't need you in 2015 and we sure as hell don't want you right now!
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2023, 10:00:04 pm »
None of his word salad changes his bottom line:  Cruz was okay with a Hillary Clinton victory, in fact he preferred it to a Trump victory and promoted a Trump loss at the RNC Convention.

Don't waste your time trying to change my mind. ----

Change your mind?  Nah, there is no getting through the orange colored glasses. Your assessment of Cruz and Clinton is way off base and Cruz backed Trump during much of his presidency.

The RNC convention -- now that's an interesting subject.  Let's just say they hated Cruz more than Trump and handed Trump the nomination. 

Ditto with the don't waste your time trying to change my mind.  However, we are both entitled to our opinions and obviously we disagree. 
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2023, 10:21:02 pm »
I'm going 100% on record that Cruz would have survived his primary defeat in 2016 as a viable national candidate in the Republican Party had he given a full-throated call for unity and support for Trump's victory in his convention speech instead of calling for the opposite.

He's made similar mistakes since then, but this is the one that buried his dreams ---- and it was a self-inflicted ending.

You didn't answer the question, and address the Stone/Pecker slime machine issue, which I put full account onto Donald J. Trump.  Why?

Apparently you'd  rather slother with the other nasty pigs in that trough.......  I had thought higher of you than that.   
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2023, 10:53:13 pm »
Your boy had a bad week.  Deal with it instead of whining. @jmyrlefuller
My boy?

Excuse me, that "boy" isn't even running. At this point, you and the rest of the Trump campaign are simply using him as a strawman.

I don't have a dog in this race yet. And given how stupid the American people have become on so many issues, I highly doubt I will have one any time soon.
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2023, 11:01:27 pm »
My boy?

Excuse me, that "boy" isn't even running. At this point, you and the rest of the Trump campaign are simply using him as a strawman.

I don't have a dog in this race yet. And given how stupid the American people have become on so many issues, I highly doubt I will have one any time soon.

The fact that Trump probably used money duped out of donors from the Bragg indictment to run Anti-DeSantis ads should go down like a jagged pill to a lot of folks.
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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2023, 11:04:27 pm »
Just to show who is pushing a false portrayal of Ted Cruz's speech, here is the full text:



Thank you. Thank you, and God bless each and every one of you. Heidi and I are so honored to join you here in Cleveland where LeBron James just led an incredible comeback victory. And I am convinced, America is going to come back, too.

I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night. And like each of you, I want to see the principles of that our party believes prevail in November. Conventions are times of excitement, but given the events of the last few weeks, I hope you will allow me a moment to talk to you about what is really at stake.

Just two weeks ago, a nine-year-old girl named Caroline was having a carefree Texas summer, swimming in the pool, playing with friends, doing all of the things a happy child might do. Like most children, she relied upon the love that she received from her mom, Heidi, and her dad, a police sergeant named Michael Smith. That is, until he became one of the five police officers gunned down in Dallas.

The day her father was murdered, Caroline gave him a hug and a kiss as he left for work. But as they parted, her dad asked her something he hadn’t asked before. What if this is the last time you ever kiss or hug me? Later, as she thought of her fallen father, and that last heartbreaking hug, Caroline broke down in tears. How could anything ever be ok again?

Michael Smith was a former army ranger who spent three decades with the Dallas police department. I have no idea who he voted for in the last election or what he thought about this one. But his life was a testament to devotion. He protected the very protesters who mocked him because he loved his country and his fellow man. His work gave new meaning to that line from literature, to die of love is to live by it.

As I thought about what I wanted to say tonight, Michael Smith's story weighed on my heart maybe that is because his daughter Caroline is about the same age as my eldest daughter, and happens to share the same name. Maybe it is because I saw a video of that dear, sweet child choking back sobs as she remembered her daddy's last question to her.

Maybe it’s because we live in a world where so many others had their lives destroyed by evil in places like Orlando and Paris and Nice and Baton Rouge. Maybe it’s because of the simple question itself, what if this, right now, is our last time? Our last moment to do something for our families and our country? Did we live up to the values we say we believe? Did we do all we really could? That is really what this election should be about. That’s why you and millions like you devoted so much time and sacrifice to this campaign.

We’re fighting not for one particular candidate or one campaign, but because each of us wants to be able to tell our kids and grandkids, our own Carolines, that we did our best for their future and our country.

America is more than just a land mass between two oceans. America is an ideal, a simple but powerful idea. Freedom matters. For much of human history, government power has been the unavoidable constant in life. Government decrees and the people obey. But not here.

We have no king or queen, we have no dictator, we the people constrain government. Our nation is exceptional because it was built on the five most beautiful and powerful words in the English language, I want to be free.

Never has that message been more needed than today. We stand here tonight a nation divided. Partisan rancor, even hatred are tearing America apart and citizens are furious, rightly furious, at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises and that ignores the will of the people.

We have to do better. We owe our fallen heroes more than that. Now, of course, Obama and Clinton will also tell you that they care about our children's future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties' vision for the future. Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a JV team. That responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, what difference does it make?

And that thinks it is possible to make a deal with Iran which celebrates its holidays, death to America day and death to Israel day. My friends, this is madness. President Obama is a man who does everything backwards. He wants to close Guantanamo Bay and open up our borders. He exports jobs and imports terrorists. Enough is enough.

And I am here to tell you there is a better vision for our future, a return to freedom. On education, your freedom to choose your child's education, even if you aren’t as rich as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. On health care, your freedom to choose your own doctor without Obamacare. On taxes, your freedom to provide for your family without the IRS beating down your door. The internet, keep it free from taxes, free from regulation, and do not give it away to Russia and China.

Freedom means free speech, not politically correct safe spaces. Freedom means religious freedom, whether you're Christian or Jew, Muslim or atheist. Whether you're gay or straight, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of all of us to live according to our conscience. Freedom means the right to keep and bear arms and protect your family. Freedom means that every human life is precious and must be protected.

Freedom means Supreme Court justices who do not dictate policy but instead, follow the Constitution. And freedom means recognizing that our Constitution allows states to choose policies that reflect local values. Colorado might decide something different than Texas. New York, different than Iowa. That is the way it is supposed to be, diversity. If not, what is the point of having states to begin with?

Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, health care, marriage, speech, all dictated out of Washington. But something powerful is happening. We have seen it in both parties. We have seen it in the United Kingdom’s unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union.

Voters are overwhelmingly rejecting the political establishment and overwhelmingly rejecting big government. That is a profound victory, and it is one earned by each and every one of you. People are fed up with politicians who don’t listen to them. Fed up with a corrupt system that benefits the elites instead of working men and women. We deserve an immigration system that puts America first, and yes, builds a wall to keep America safe.

A government, a government that stops admitting ISIS terrorists as refugees. We deserve trade policies that put the interests of American farmers and manufacturing jobs over the global interests that are funding the lobbyists. And if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work.

We can do this. 47 years ago, to this day, America put the very first man on the moon. That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican Party, was founded to defeat slavery. Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Together, we passed the Civil Rights Act, and together, we thought to eliminate Jim Crow laws.

That is our collective legacy, although the media will never share it with you. Those were fights for freedom, and so is this. Sergeant Michael Smith stood up to protect our freedom, so do the soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines every day, fighting radical Islamic terrorism. And so did the family of Alton Sterling, who bravely called to end the violence.

So did the families of those murdered at the Charleston Emmanuel AME church over who forgave that hateful, bigoted murderer. And so can we. We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love. That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And to those listening, please, don’t stay home in November.

If you love our country, and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.

I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation. And I will tell you, it is love of freedom that has allowed millions to achieve their dreams. Like my mom, the first and her family to go to college, and my my dad, who is here tonight, who fled prison and torture in Cuba, coming to Texas with just $100 sewn into his underwear. And it is love that I hope will bring comfort to a grieving nine-year-old girl in Dallas.

And God willing, propel her to move forward and dream, and soar and make her daddy proud. We must make the most of our moments to fight for freedom, to protect our God-given rights, even if -- even with those with whom we do not agree. So that when we are old and gray, and when our work is done and we give those we love one final kiss goodbye, we will be able to say, freedom matters and I was part of something beautiful.

The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people, is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom and be faithful to the Constitution.

We will unite the party, we will unite the country, by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-text-ted-cruzs-2016-republican-national-convention/story?id=40768272

Where's the "word salad" in this?

A very inspiring speech
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Re: DeSantis underwhelms Britain’s business chiefs
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2023, 11:06:59 pm »


We didn't need you in 2015 and we sure as hell don't want you right now!

I wouldn't be so dismissive of votes if I was you. Declaring that Trump wouldn't need or want votes is an odd declaration. Trump is not only dividing the GOP conservative base but neither he nor his MAGA movement is  particularly popular with the voters at large
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« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2023, 11:07:42 pm »
Where's the "word salad" in this?

A very inspiring speech

He didn't bow down and kiss Trump's ass with an endorsement, and that just drives the orange toadies crazy......

After what they pulled during the primaries, I'd been disappointed in Cruz if he had.
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« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2023, 02:39:53 am »
None of his word salad changes his bottom line:  Cruz was okay with a Hillary Clinton victory

His speech says the exact opposite of what you claim.


in fact he preferred it to a Trump victory and promoted a Trump loss at the RNC Convention.

Again, his speech says the exact opposite of what you claim.


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That is because 'truth' simply is not in you.  Cruz's words have been handed to you, yet you continue to insist on pushing falsehoods, bearing false witness against him.
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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2023, 02:44:57 am »
I'm going 100% on record that Cruz would have survived his primary defeat in 2016 as a viable national candidate in the Republican Party had he given a full-throated call for unity and support for Trump's victory in his convention speech instead of calling for the opposite.

Again, Cruz's words:

If you love our country, and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.  .  .

The case we have to make to the American people, the case each person in this room has to make to the American people, is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom and be faithful to the Constitution.

We will unite the party, we will unite the country, by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. God bless each and every one of you, and God bless the United States of America.


For the record, are you seriously suggesting that your boy Trump opposes liberty?
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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2023, 02:50:00 am »
He didn't bow down and kiss Trump's ass with an endorsement, and that just drives the orange toadies crazy......

After what they pulled during the primaries, I'd been disappointed in Cruz if he had.

Ditto.  Every one of the Cruz delegates at that convention stood of our liberties and the Constitution that defended them, fighting on the front lines against the GOPe Swamp.  And they were witness to a bunch of GOP Establishment swamp rats who were there to cast their first ballot for Donald Trump because their candidate didn't bother to field any delegates himself.

It would be over two months after this Convention that the words 'Drain the Swamp' would pass through Donald Trump's lips for the very first time.  Trump is the best friend the Swamp ever had.
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2023, 04:30:37 am »
The argument that Cruz didn't support Trump is based on the fact that he didn't mention his name in his speech, probably because he believed Trump to be a poor candidate.  BUT, that is not at all the same as saying that people shouldn't vote for Trump, or that they should vote for Hillary.   Because if you read his speech, he did mention Hillary by name, and it wasn't complimentary:

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We have to do better. We owe our fallen heroes more than that. Now, of course, Obama and Clinton will also tell you that they care about our children's future. And I want to believe them. But there is a profound difference in our two parties' vision for the future. Theirs is the party that thinks ISIS is a JV team. That responds to the death of Americans at Benghazi by asking, what difference does it make?

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Hillary Clinton believes government should make virtually every choice in your life. Education, health care, marriage, speech, all dictated out of Washington. But something powerful is happening. We have seen it in both parties. We have seen it in the United Kingdom’s unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union.  Voters are overwhelmingly rejecting the political establishment and overwhelmingly rejecting big government. That is a profound victory, and it is one earned by each and every one of you.

So what was going on with Cruz's speech was pretty clear.  He wasn't going to sing Donald Trump's praises, or tell people that he was a great guy who had earned their vote.  But he was very willing to tell voters how bad Hillary Clinton was, and that her vision was the absolute wrong vision for the country.  The subtext was don't consider your vote a vote "for" Trump.  Consider it a vote against Hillary.

No remotely honest person would claim that speech was an endorsement of Hillary Clinton, or that it encouraged anyone to vote for her.  Quite the opposite.
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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2023, 05:26:32 am »
His speech says the exact opposite of what you claim.


Again, his speech says the exact opposite of what you claim.


That is because 'truth' simply is not in you.  Cruz's words have been handed to you, yet you continue to insist on pushing falsehoods, bearing false witness against him.

Yup

Nothing in the transcript that you posted suggests that he was hoping for a Hillary victory, or even hinting at one

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« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2023, 05:53:11 am »
Source: Politico EU and RiV...

Perhaps we should carve another Trump zone for her again this round to post more of her leftist sourced stories.
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« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2023, 03:04:58 pm »
No remotely honest person would claim that speech was an endorsement of Hillary Clinton

And there you go.
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« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2023, 04:30:23 pm »
I wouldn't be so dismissive of votes if I was you. Declaring that Trump wouldn't need or want votes is an odd declaration. Trump is not only dividing the GOP conservative base but neither he nor his MAGA movement is  particularly popular with the voters at large
In just a short time ago in political time I recall being told that if I didn't vote for Trump I would be voting for Hillary, and recently I have read statements by some Trump supporters that if DeSantis won the nomination they would not vote for him and now we are being told that Trump doesn't need our vote.

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« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2023, 04:35:44 pm »
Source: Politico EU and RiV...

Perhaps we should carve another Trump zone for her again this round to post more of her leftist sourced stories.

Nahhh....  They still after serveral weeks still haven't given a rational explanation of the viability and economic realities of Trump's Freedom Cities and Jetson Cars...  all at IMO estimated extra $15T at the taxpayer's expense.  I love seeing them flap helplessly in the breeze trying to defend Trump's FDR like  hard left turn.
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« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2023, 06:09:45 pm »
In just a short time ago in political time I recall being told that if I didn't vote for Trump I would be voting for Hillary, and recently I have read statements by some Trump supporters that if DeSantis won the nomination they would not vote for him and now we are being told that Trump doesn't need our vote.


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« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2023, 06:12:07 pm »
Dizzying isn’t it?

More pretzels than at a ball park.

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« Reply #72 on: May 01, 2023, 06:34:32 pm »
I wouldn't be so dismissive of votes if I was you. Declaring that Trump wouldn't need or want votes is an odd declaration. Trump is not only dividing the GOP conservative base but neither he nor his MAGA movement is  particularly popular with the voters at large

I'm not being dismissive of 'votes' here because it's obvious to anybody who 'knows' @catfish1957 over the years...he ain't voting for Donald J. Trump under any circumstances.

To your second point...have to firmly believe that there are MILLIONS of Democrats who aren't happy economically and despite how the media attempts to spin the facts...they know damned well EVERYTHING WAS BETTER UNDER POTUS TRUMP!

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Call them "Blue Dogs"..."Reagan Democrats"..."Poor Broke Bastards"...I don't care!

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« Reply #73 on: May 01, 2023, 06:41:10 pm »
Source: Politico EU and RiV...

Perhaps we should carve another Trump zone for her again this round to post more of her leftist sourced stories.

Perhaps you should have the guts, Ms. Sighlass, to ping me to your criticisms.  Is this asking too much of such a little girl?

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« Reply #74 on: May 01, 2023, 07:10:40 pm »
I'm not being dismissive of 'votes' here because it's obvious to anybody who 'knows' @catfish1957 over the years...he ain't voting for Donald J. Trump under any circumstances.

They'll take care of Mr. Catfish's ballot, or lack thereof.

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I guess my votes for DJT in '16 and '20 were figments of my imagination. Yeah, in '16 it was a "post - Cruz" hold my nose choice , but until you get your guy to rebuke his new socialist agenda, I really don't see why I or any other conservative should partake in this charade.   
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