Trump bashes John McCain's funeral in new book: 'Much like his wars, it never ended'

[sneakypete]

No, they don't fear him because he's not a career politician; they dislike him because he represents a competing brand of left-wing populism, and because he can be used like a cats-paw to get their own voter base worked up and out to vote for DNC candidates.

@Kamaji

Is that the ONLY song you know?

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji

Is that the ONLY song you know?

 

One can lead a horse to water, …..

[bigheadfred]

 

One can lead a horse to water, …..
[/quote

One can lead a horse to water, …but it takes several strong determined men to drown him

Hat tip to @roamer_1

[sneakypete]

Is it your contention that a voter is more likely to choose a generic democrat for president than a generic democrat for governor or congress?  I'd like to see the data behind that.  The nation is quite polarized.

@cato potatoe

Don't be ridiculous. I haven't "contended" anything,but I WILL state that the the people who have voted Dim in the past will continue to vote Dim,and the people who  have voted Republican in the past will continue to vote Republican.

The real fight is over the unaffiliated voters whose votes can't be predicted. . people who generally only pay attention to politics the last month or so before an election,and who don't even watch or read the news reports.

And they are hard to pin down because you never really know what they want because it might be different today than it was last week.

To be honest,I think both sides are going to have a hard time getting their voting base fired up this time because there has been so much crap flung  by both  sides that the casual voters have no freaking idea who  to vote for.

Many might end up just staying home and not voting.

Not that the DNC won't be happy to  vote for them at the last minute.

IMNSHO,voter fraud is THE  number one thing we have to put a stop to.

I just wish I knew how  to get it done. I can deal with losing an election honestly,but  when they are stolen with boxes of last minute ballots,recounts behind closed doors,illegal aliens being  signed up to vote,etc,etc,etc,it  really  pisses me off.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Sad to  say,but the DNC OWNS those votes.

Even if the disaffected and disenfranchised don't know they are voting Dim.

Or voting at all.

No they don't... There have been more conservatives outside of the Republican party than in it for a couple decades. Conservatives are very busy people, trying to keep the wolf from the door, and many don't vote unless there is a reason to. You forget that most folks are not political, and are not going to be without something to wake them up, And that sure ain't Tumpy and his WWF show.

Show em the election matters and you will make it count, and you will be surprised how they come a'running.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

By challenging him for President after Trump saved his ass on his run for Governor of Fla.

Assuming of course,that DeSantis actually does run for President come the next election. Seems like a sure thing at this time,but it's not carved in stone yet.

@sneakypete

Oh bullcrap, in the first place, and you're talking smack before the second, even if it were true.

DeSantis owes Tumpy no favor, as has already been noted over and over again, AND by your own admission is not even declared, so your entire position on it is a crock of crap.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Fair enough.

So,who WOULD you vote for if he ran,Santa?

DeSantis? Very likely. Have not done a deep dive, and won't for at least a year... But he is TEA Party, a founding member of the Freedom Caucus, has a great record in congress, and a very successful governorship where he is certainly governing from the Right. He has excellent character and is quick on his feet. There is no downside.

Hutchinson... maybe... but probably not. He's in my 'Hell No' pile but I don't remember why. No doubt he won't survive a record check.

That Ramswany feller... Talks sweet, but I don't know him. So in the not likely column until I do a deep dive.

No other so far is anywhere close to my vote.

[roamer_1]

@Kamaji

Is that the ONLY song you know?

He's right.

[roamer_1]

Hat tip to @roamer_1

@bigheadfred
 

[libertybele]

@sneakypete

Oh bullcrap, in the first place, and you're talking smack before the second, even if it were true.

DeSantis owes Tumpy no favor, as has already been noted over and over again, AND by your own admission is not even declared, so your entire position on it is a crock of crap.

Amen!!

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Oh bullcrap, in the first place, and you're talking smack before the second, even if it were true.

DeSantis owes Tumpy no favor, as has already been noted over and over again, AND by your own admission is not even declared, so your entire position on it is a crock of crap.

@roamer_1

You sound like a 12 year old girl screaming for Elvis.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You sound like a 12 year old girl screaming for Elvis.

not at all - I am just calling out your lack of logic.

[sneakypete]

not at all - I am just calling out your lack of logic.

@roamer_1

THIS from a man who is declaring the only way to get change is to vote for more of the same by supporting a career politician?

That's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance  contest.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

THIS from a man who is declaring the only way to get change is to vote for more of the same by supporting a career politician?

That's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance  contest.

No, I did not say that @sneakypete

I am the guy who said to only vote *FOR* what you want - Because you get MORE of what you vote *FOR*

I will vote *FOR* small government.
I will vote *FOR* fiscal sanity.
I will vote *FOR* the principles of the Conservative factions.

And I don't give a single rip if the guy that brings it is a career pol or not.

[corbe]

   Your arguments are weak @sneakypete just like the other Trumper's here. You are dealing, inadequately, I propose, with people that have NEVER Voted for Trump, and never will.  He is not the answer to OUR problems.  He has proven that he will again kick the can down the road by throwing taxpayer $$$ at it.   
   Though he was a successful Reality TV Star, he was a lousy Businessman (6 out of 23 bankruptcy's) and a failed President, IMHO.

[Right_in_Virginia]

He is not the answer to OUR problems.  He has proven that he will again kick the can down the road by throwing taxpayer $$$ at it.   

This  is so silly.  Here is a sampling of what Trump accomplished with both hands tied behind him and a knife in his back.  Nothing on this sampling is "Kicking the can down the road":

* Cutting taxes
* Renegotiating NAFTA into a fair trade agreement
* Cutting federal regulations
* Ushering in an economy humming on all cylinders with the highest employment across all demographics in history
* Rebuilding the military
* Making the US not only energy independent, but energy exporters, as well
* Securing our borders, including a wall, Remain in Mexico and Safe Third Countries agreements with Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras
* Removing the US from the Paris Climate pyramid scheme
* Removing the US from the Let's Help Iran Get the Bomb agreement
* Incentivizing NATO members to pay their financial dues
* Eliminating ISIS; and killing terrorist leaders at will
* The Abraham Accords
* The Serbia-Bosnia Economic Accords
* Reducing the threat from North Korea
* Directing all federal agencies to identify and cancel all contracts and other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory'

[Maj. Bill Martin]

   Your arguments are weak @sneakypete just like the other Trumper's here. You are dealing, inadequately, I propose, with people that have NEVER Voted for Trump, and never will.  He is not the answer to OUR problems.  He has proven that he will again kick the can down the road by throwing taxpayer $$$ at it.   
   Though he was a successful Reality TV Star, he was a lousy Businessman (6 out of 23 bankruptcy's) and a failed President, IMHO.

There were obviously things Trump did that I liked in his first term, and some I didn't.  The major thing I liked economically was tax reform.   But for his second term, his announced economic agenda -- the stuff he has said in his own words -- is a big government agenda.  Those ridiculous "freedom cities", his weirdo plan to move all the homeless into federal housing in national parks, etc., is no longer "conservative populism" -- it's just plain populism.  And his loud, obnoxious opposition to any attempted reform of entitlements is just grossly irresponsible.

Usually, you look at the promises a politician makes and think "gee, I hope he comes through with those".  In his case, it is largely the opposite.  I'd want the above aspects of his agenda to fail.  But hoping for an agenda that fails is what I get with Biden anyway.   I'd rather vote for some other Republicans who at least was promising conservative stuff.

Also, I'd just add that when anyone puts forth a lists of Trump's accomplishments, it isn't complete without "Gave us Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in the White House".

[catfish1957]

There were obviously things Trump did that I liked in his first term, and some I didn't.  The major thing I liked economically was tax reform.   But for his second term, his announced economic agenda -- the stuff he has said in his own words -- is a big government agenda.  Those ridiculous "freedom cities", his weirdo plan to move all the homeless into federal housing in national parks, etc., is no longer "conservative populism" -- it's just plain populism.  And his loud, obnoxious opposition to any attempted reform of entitlements is just grossly irresponsible.

That pretty much sums it up.  I voted for Trump, mostly on his pledge to reduce the federal deficit.  Never did I expect he would do the opposite.

Still, after the '20 election, I figured I go in with an open mind 4 years later, and let the candidates fight for our conservative votes on the merits of where they want to take the country.  A year out we find that Trump has become an entitlement slug, thinking that the GOP and in fact anyone right of center should bow down to the orange oracle and thank him for running.  He thinks we owe it to him.  Strike 2.

The final nail was this insane off the rails "Freedom Cities,Baby Bonuses,  and Jetson Cars" populist initiative that would make FDR blush. Some of these by account would end up costing the US taxpayer subusidizing another $15T via deficit spending .  You know he has F'ked up when you hear our own Briefers lash out at us in insults when we try to bring up this insanity.    They have no defense of this bullshit, and they know it.  And they are outright bald faced lying when they try to spin it as an allegorical or hyperbolic exercise. Those partaking in this head fake?  You  know who you are....

So if this election appears to go as polling suggests our choices and the winner will be either a ultra liberal socialist, or a populist socialist.  With the losers being conservatives who will have worked hard their, lives, saved, invested, and will now have to watch their nest eggs go poof as it increasily gets devoured at the trough by the Fedzilla sow and her hundreds of millions of piglets suckling the left hind teats of entitlements.

That is why I am so vigorously against Donald J. Trump.  We have approached the Rubicon and the land  of no two lessers of evil.  We are screwed either way.   Unless, we come to our senses.  And fast.

[kevindavis007]

That pretty much sums it up.  I voted for Trump, mostly on his pledge to reduce the federal deficit.  Never did I expect he would do the opposite.

Still, after the '20 election, I figured I go in with an open mind 4 years later, and let the candidates fight for our conservative votes on the merits of where they want to take the country.  A year out we find that Trump has become an entitlement slug, thinking that the GOP and in fact anyone right of center should bow down to the orange oracle and thank him for running.  He thinks we owe it to him.  Strike 2.

The final nail was this insane off the rails "Freedom Cities,Baby Bonuses,  and Jetson Cars" populist initiative that would make FDR blush. Some of these by account would end up costing the US taxpayer subusidizing another $15T via deficit spending .  You know he has F'ked up when you hear our own Briefers lash out at us in insults when we try to bring up this insanity.    They have no defense of this bullshit, and they know it.  And they are outright bald faced lying when they try to spin it as an allegorical or hyperbolic exercise. Those partaking in this head fake?  You  know who you are....

So if this election appears to go as polling suggests our choices and the winner will be either a ultra liberal socialist, or a populist socialist.  With the losers being conservatives who will have worked hard their, lives, saved, invested, and will now have to watch their nest eggs go poof as it increasily gets devoured at the trough by the Fedzilla sow and her hundreds of millions of piglets suckling the left hind teats of entitlements.

That is why I am so vigorously against Donald J. Trump.  We have approached the Rubicon and the land  of no two lessers of evil.  We are screwed either way.   Unless, we come to our senses.  And fast.

Even if Trump builds these so-called Freedom Cities, there is a 99% chance it's going to end like those Ghost cities in China.


Just a reminder China was just building s**t for the sake of building and now they are in a horrible situation much worse than we are.

[sneakypete]

Even if Trump builds these so-called Freedom Cities, there is a 99% chance it's going to end like those Ghost cities in China.


Just a reminder China was just building s**t for the sake of building and now they are in a horrible situation much worse than we are.

@kevindavis007

Did you see that photo of a multi-story new apartment building in China that was built to house their slaves in one section of China that just fell over intact?

There didn't even seem to be any  windows broken when it fell over. Seems like they overlooked  minor things called a "foundation" and a "footing".

The soil it was standing on must have also had some underground water flow nobody noticed,or maybe even a "pocket" no one knew anything about.

I had never seen a whole damn multi-story apartment building that seemed to have just fallen over before. It really did look like you could have taken some cranes and bulldozers,and maybe stood it up again,added footing to tie it to the ground,and move people in it to live. My hat is off to the brick masons and carpenters.

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis007

Did you see that photo of a multi-story new apartment building in China that was built to house their slaves in one section of China that just fell over intact?

There didn't even seem to be any  windows broken when it fell over. Seems like they overlooked  minor things called a "foundation" and a "footing".

The soil it was standing on must have also had some underground water flow nobody noticed,or maybe even a "pocket" no one knew anything about.

I had never seen a whole damn multi-story apartment building that seemed to have just fallen over before. It really did look like you could have taken some cranes and bulldozers,and maybe stood it up again,added footing to tie it to the ground,and move people in it to live. My hat is off to the brick masons and carpenters.

@sneakypete


Well in China, they build things very bad..  Roads, bridges, apartment buildings, and god know what else falls apart fast


In fact, it is called Tofu-Dreg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu-dreg_project

[deb]

This is really an unfair portrayal of both men @debrawiest   DeSantis does owe his career to President Trump's support, and did assure the President that rumors of him running in 2024 were untrue ---- even as he was organizing for the run in 2021.

And, yes, the Trump reelection campaign is using this against the governor.  They are sharpening the prism through which Republicans and MAGA will view eveything Ronny says.  What troubles Ronny's supporters and reduces them to    like "not bowed down and proclaimed Trump to be his god" is because that prism is effective, and it is effective because it is true.

And Ronny has only himself to blame.  Here's an example:

"THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAN MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"  (Video)

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1650644427847729152

You and I will simply have to agree to disagree. It’s clear that I’m not going to change your mind and vice versa.
I can tolerate and even appreciate someone who has a differing opinion. I hope you can as well. Have a great weekend.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You and I will simply have to agree to disagree. It’s clear that I’m not going to change your mind and vice versa.
I can tolerate and even appreciate someone who has a differing opinion. I hope you can as well. Have a great weekend.

Yes, @debrawiest It looks like we will continue to disagree. 

[Kamaji]

This is really an unfair portrayal of both men @debrawiest   DeSantis does owe his career to President Trump's support, and did assure the President that rumors of him running in 2024 were untrue ---- even as he was organizing for the run in 2021.

And, yes, the Trump reelection campaign is using this against the governor.  They are sharpening the prism through which Republicans and MAGA will view eveything Ronny says.  What troubles Ronny's supporters and reduces them to    like "not bowed down and proclaimed Trump to be his god" is because that prism is effective, and it is effective because it is true.

And Ronny has only himself to blame.  Here's an example:

"THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAN MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"  (Video)

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1650644427847729152

Wow.  More B.S. from TBR's consummate B.S. artist.

RDS does not "owe his career" to the orange menace.  Lie number one  in a long list of lies.

[LMAO]

Wow.  More B.S. from TBR's consummate B.S. artist.

RDS does not "owe his career" to the orange menace.  Lie number one  in a long list of lies.

There is definitely an anxiety that Trump is having with the idea of Ron DeSantis getting in the race. His supporters can spin it anyway they want. But Trump‘s actions here are not the actions of somebody who is confident . I can’t recall, either Democrat or Republican primaries, were one of the candidates whined about the moderators before we even had a debate. We’ve been told by MAGAs here that Trump can’t wait to expose the real DeSantis record. And in the next sentence, they whine about Ron DeSantis entering the race. Wouldn’t you be excited for somebody to enter the race so that you can expose them and defeat them? After all, Trump at one time said he was hoping Oprah would enter the race so she can be exposed and defeated

And the reason is because Donald Trump will be challenged in the primary debate. At his rallies and TruthSocial, he can say whatever he wants, and none of his supporters will question or doubt what he says. I suspect the two areas that other Republicans are going to hit Donald Trump on on the debate stage is Covid and the amount of debt that was allowed to accumulate under his watch

I recall Hillary Clinton starting to act like a child during the 2008 campaign when her insurmountable poll numbers in the Democrat primaries started to be chipped away by a young freshman senator. If we start getting to the heart of the Republican primary season, and Donald Trump’s poll numbers start decreasing, I expect that we will probably see a very epic meltdown, which will be a good thing.

As far as Ron DeSantis owing Donald Trump something, is there a written statement of Ron DeSantis or a video were he is promising that he will never run against Donald Trump should Donald Trump decide to run? I have not been able to find anything except Donald Trump’s claim, but maybe there is something out there that supports Donald Trump’s claim

And if one feel that in their heart of hearts, that Ron DeSantis is backstabbing Donald Trump, well, I guess you’ll just not vote for Ron DeSantis then if that’s your big issue