Author Topic: LIVE THREAD...Trump Surrenders (Read 24828 times)

mystery-ak · « **Reply #50 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:35:56 pm »

https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/1643320029801226242

Kamaji · « **Reply #51 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:36:35 pm »

Quote from: Sighlass on April 04, 2023, 02:34:56 pm

So tell me this, these offenses (felonies) pertain to just New York? They are not criminal charges in all/most states right? Basically they are "NY Values"?

The charges are all under NY law. Yes. The primary charges aren't under the law of any other state or jurisdiction, because the State of NY does not have jurisdiction to, on its own, enforce the criminal law of another state or other jurisdiction.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #52 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:37:56 pm »

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1643321541956960259

mystery-ak · « **Reply #53 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:38:37 pm »

https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1643320866292346884

bigheadfred · « **Reply #54 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:40:28 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 02:37:56 pm

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1643321541956960259

Heh heh heh

mystery-ak · « **Reply #55 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:42:37 pm »

One and only photo from courtroom

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/status/1643323022504493056

Sighlass · « **Reply #56 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:43:09 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 02:37:56 pm

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1643321541956960259

Lol, how the shortened the other fingers and extended one.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #57 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:44:56 pm »

Quote from: Sighlass on April 04, 2023, 02:43:09 pm

Lol, how the shortened the other fingers and extended one.

Exactly.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #58 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:46:06 pm »

https://twitter.com/JDunlap1974/status/1643317172482068484

aligncare · « **Reply #59 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:46:49 pm »

Quote from: mrpotatohead on April 04, 2023, 01:56:24 pm

Oh brother...

It’s just an allegorical rendering of our circumstances.

Trump is popular, the nation is at a dangerous crossroads, traditional/patriotic Americans are hungering for strong leadership to fight back against progressive lunacy, and many see Donald Trump as that leader.

He is the biggest target of the left, he’s experienced their playbook up front and personal and learned a few things from it, and is best positioned to rally MAGA Americans for the political battles ahead.

I liked the photo.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #60 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:49:59 pm »

https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1643324818689777666

mystery-ak · « **Reply #61 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:51:47 pm »

34 counts of falsifying business records..1st degree per Fox

Kamaji · « **Reply #62 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:52:14 pm »

Has a pdf of the indictment itself been released yet?

mystery-ak · « **Reply #63 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:52:18 pm »

NBC News
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BREAKING: Former President Trump pleads not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records related to hush money payments in 2016.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #64 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:53:17 pm »

https://twitter.com/EricMMatheny/status/1643325101788594176

mystery-ak · « **Reply #65 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:55:00 pm »

MARK SIMONE
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There are 34 counts, which is exactly what the leak said days ago. That proves there was a real leak, a serious crime, right under Alvin Bragg's nose in his own building. Will he prosecute the leaker? Assuming it's not him.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #66 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:56:32 pm »

Quote from: Kamaji on April 04, 2023, 02:52:14 pm

Has a pdf of the indictment itself been released yet?

No

Kamaji · « **Reply #67 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:56:49 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 02:55:00 pm

MARK SIMONE
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There are 34 counts, which is exactly what the leak said days ago. That proves there was a real leak, a serious crime, right under Alvin Bragg's nose in his own building. Will he prosecute the leaker? Assuming it's not him.

Of course he won't prosecute. More likely, if the leaker was he himself, the leaker will get a promotion and a bonus for the leak.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #68 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:58:42 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 02:52:18 pm

NBC News
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BREAKING: Former President Trump pleads not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records related to hush money payments in 2016.

Maybe I am just shooting spitballs, but the matter of the business records of a company and associated direct culpability is normally limited to a CFO and associated staff. Smart CEO's limit their liability by removing themselves from the day to day dollars and cents. Normally when the SEC nabs CEO's for these matters, they are confined in Civil Court. Unless there is some direct proof saying otherwise.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #69 on:** April 04, 2023, 02:58:57 pm »

Cernovich
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If you don’t have a problem with what’s happening today, you’re either in a cult or are a communist who worships Stalin.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #70 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:01:05 pm »

mystery-ak · « **Reply #71 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:02:06 pm »

Eric Trump
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#FreeTrump

mystery-ak · « **Reply #72 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:03:30 pm »

mystery-ak · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:04:12 pm »

Ted Cruz
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The arrest and arraignment of former President Donald Trump by a left-wing Soros prosecutor today is making a mockery of the rule of law.

Not only is the indictment frivolous, this political persecution marks a dark day for our country.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #74 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:04:44 pm »

DC_Draino
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Now that Trump has been arrested, legal precedent has been set

Former Presidents can now be raided by the FBI & indicted by city prosecutors

I have a feeling Dems are going to regret opening up this Pandora’s box

How about GOP DAs start charging ppl on Epstein’s client list?

mystery-ak · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:07:43 pm »

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #76 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:08:10 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 04, 2023, 02:58:42 pm

Maybe I am just shooting spitballs, but the matter of the business records of a company and associated direct culpability is normally limited to a CFO and associated staff. Smart CEO's limit their liability by removing themselves from the day to day dollars and cents. Normally when the SEC nabs CEO's for these matters, they are confined in Civil Court. Unless there is some direct proof saying otherwise.

That's pretty much true as a general matter. This is a closely held corporation so I'd imagine Trump actually signed some of the paperwork. It also is my understanding that a lot of Cohen's testimony is going to be putting incriminating words in Trump's mouth.

I don't have much faith in the trial judge, but I do think they're going to have a tough time establishing the essential element of intent to defraud with respect to the falsification of business records. As Bill Barr pointed out, What seems to be lacking is the purported target of the alleged intent to defrost.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #77 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:09:23 pm »

Eric Trump
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BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #78 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:13:12 pm »

Donald Trump Jr.
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BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

LOL glad she’s out there saying her T-shirt sales are booming she’ll be able to afford to pay Trump!

catfish1957 · « **Reply #79 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:13:12 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 03:09:23 pm

Eric Trump
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BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

Dang...that's a lot of nights on the street corner.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #80 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:14:30 pm »

Julie Kelly 🇺🇸
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If you think today is a dark day for America, just wait until Trump’s motorcade winds its way though the nation’s capital before arriving at DC federal courthouse to face criminal charges under Biden/Monaco DOJ for classified documents farce and January 6.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #81 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:17:49 pm »

Eric Trump
@EricTrump

BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

3:00 PM · Apr 4, 2023

libertybele · « **Reply #82 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:20:20 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 04, 2023, 03:17:49 pm

Eric Trump
@EricTrump

BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

3:00 PM · Apr 4, 2023

Being awarded $$ is one thing actually getting it is quite another.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #83 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:21:43 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 04, 2023, 03:17:49 pm

Eric Trump
@EricTrump

BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

3:00 PM · Apr 4, 2023

The Ninth Circus gets one right? Everything keeps getting weirder and weirder.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #84 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:23:09 pm »

Emerald Robinson ✝️
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Watching AG Bill Barr complain about the indictment of President Trump is laughable: there’s nobody in the Trump Administration more responsible for destabilizing law & order in America than him.

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #85 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:23:51 pm »

Biden himself is absolutely nailed on unlawful removal and retention of classified materials.

Kamaji · « **Reply #86 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:24:29 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 03:09:23 pm

Eric Trump
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BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #87 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:27:12 pm »

Kate Hyde
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The White House just called a lid on the day, of course.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #88 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:32:31 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 03:13:12 pm

Donald Trump Jr.
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BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him.

LOL glad she’s out there saying her T-shirt sales are booming she’ll be able to afford to pay Trump!

More spitballs....... Not sure of the details of counter suit loss (#1 and #2) by Daniels, but are their details of fraud on her behalf or other shenanigans that might be included as exculpatory evidence in Trump's trial. To me this sounds like a trend and a losing streak, and more data points that may strengthen Trump's case

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #89 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:33:37 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 03:23:09 pm

Emerald Robinson ✝️
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Watching AG Bill Barr complain about the indictment of President Trump is laughable: there’s nobody in the Trump Administration more responsible for destabilizing law & order in America than him.

Bill Barr was a very good attorney general. Some people who don't understand the role of the AG, or who believe that Barr somehow failed to stop voting fraud, need to get better educated.

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #90 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:36:25 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 04, 2023, 03:32:31 pm

More spitballs....... Not sure of the details of counter suit loss (#1 and #2) by Daniels, but are their details of fraud on her behalf or other shenanigans that might be included as exculpatory evidence in Trump's trial. To me this sounds like a trend and a losing streak, and more data points that may strengthen Trump's case

I could be wrong, but I believe this is about her unsuccessful attempt to weasel out of the agreement that she signed. Even though that is obviously the subject matter of the agreement in question, it isn't an issue directly relevant to the case and likely wouldn't even be admissible.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #91 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:40:12 pm »

Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on April 04, 2023, 03:36:25 pm

I could be wrong, but I believe this is about her unsuccessful attempt to weasel out of the agreement that she signed. Even though that is obviously the subject matter of the agreement in question, it isn't an issue directly relevant to the case and likely wouldn't even be admissible.

Thanks... I hadn't kept up with this, but makes sense that Trump would fight back at her default on her NDA.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #92 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:46:29 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on April 04, 2023, 03:27:12 pm

Kate Hyde
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The White House just called a lid on the day, of course.

There's a big party going on in the Eisenhower building.

Kamaji · « **Reply #93 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:46:37 pm »

Just for S&G, this is the felony version of the NY law for falsifying business records, NY Penal Law § 175.10:

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§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof. Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

Falsifying business records in the second degree is defined as follows, NY Penal Law § 175.05:

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§ 175.05 Falsifying business records in the second degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree when, with intent to defraud, he:
1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an enterprise; or
2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise; or
3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position; or
4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.
Falsifying business records in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

Kamaji · « **Reply #94 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:47:34 pm »

I'd like to see what all 34 counts relate to.

Kamaji · « **Reply #95 on:** April 04, 2023, 03:49:32 pm »

I'm still not sure what fraud was supposed to have been intended, assuming arguendo that Trump caused company records to reflect the payment to the hooker as something other than a payment for services of a personal nature.

If it was on the records of a corporation, the standard treatment is to treat the payment as a constructive dividend distribution to the shareholder for whose benefit the payment was made, and assess income tax on the amount.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #96 on:** April 04, 2023, 04:01:30 pm »

No Gag order issued

mystery-ak · « **Reply #97 on:** April 04, 2023, 04:02:40 pm »

Manu Raju
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The next in-person hearing date for Trump’s case in New York is set for December 4 as of right now, @Lauren_delvalle reports

Kamaji · « **Reply #98 on:** April 04, 2023, 04:02:47 pm »

Here is a link to the indictment itself: https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2023/04/04/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment.pdf

mystery-ak · « **Reply #99 on:** April 04, 2023, 04:03:33 pm »

https://twitter.com/TickleTexts/status/1643339403694055424