LIVE THREAD BREAKING...Trump Indicted

[roamer_1]

   I thought LA was from Venezuela.

I seem to remember a Latina vibe... 

[MeshugeMikey]

I seem to remember a Latina vibe... 

that  ,,,,,was a marimba •••••••••

[roamer_1]

that  ,,,,,was a marimba •••••••••

Aaaaaiiiiiii!   

[Cyber Liberty]

I seem to remember a Latina vibe... 

I used to chat with her on PM.  Romanian.  She lives not far from me, in Nevada.

[roamer_1]

I used to chat with her on PM.  Romanian.  She lives not far from me, in Nevada.

Gypsy! I stand corrected... But that explains why I liked her. 

[LMAO]

Gypsy! I stand corrected... But that explains why I liked her. 

Back during the boat people from Vietnam era in the 1970s, we did have a Vietnamese family that moved in our neighborhood after fleeing the Communist in Vietnam and they had 4 kids of which one was a daughter that was my age.

They absolutely loved America and were patriotic as hell. I used to think it was strange to see an American flag flying high, especially on Fourth of July, outside their home considering they were from Vietnam but as I got older and really understood what communism was, I gained an understanding why they felt the way they did.

And I remember the whole family just adored Ronald Reagan.

[roamer_1]

Back during the boat people from Vietnam era in the 1970s, we did have a Vietnamese family that moved in our neighborhood after fleeing the Communist in Vietnam and they had 4 kids of which one was a daughter that was my age.

They absolutely loved America and were patriotic as hell. I used to think it was strange to see an American flag flying high, especially on Fourth of July, outside their home considering they were from Vietnam but as I got older and really understood what communism was, I gained an understanding why they felt the way they did.

And I remember the whole family just adored Ronald Reagan.

None understand liberty like those who know what it is to be without it. 

[corbe]

   My Trumper sister should know better than invite me over for a Religious Dinner and all.  But she did and I went.  We survived debating why it's called Good Friday so I pressed my luck and ventured into Trumpism.  I abruptly stood up from the conversation table after she asked the question "What has Ted Cruz done lately, except get FAT"?  Though I had to somewhat agree with her (silently), I left anyway knowing that this Trumper had exhausted all logical data points.

[LMAO]

   My Trumper sister should know better than invite me over for a Religious Dinner and all.  But she did and I went.  We survived debating why it's called Good Friday so I pressed my luck and ventured into Trumpism.  I abruptly stood up from the conversation table after she asked the question "What has Ted Cruz done lately, except get FAT"?  Though I had to somewhat agree with her (silently), I left anyway knowing that this Trumper had exhausted all logical data points.

He did gain weight. That Senate salary must allow him to eat well

[sneakypete]

He did gain weight. That Senate salary must allow him to eat well

@LMAO


Maybe his (alleged) boyfriend/live-in roomie is just a good cook?

[corbe]

   ESAD

[mystery-ak]

   ESAD

  I know what that means....

[corbe]

   @mystery-ak In my defense He says that often to other Briefers.  I should have included the Beer emoji, I guess, cause I love that ol fart!



   I see this 4 letter nomenclature as being added to the forbidden word list, sorry about that @sneakypete

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

   My Trumper sister should know better than invite me over for a Religious Dinner and all.  But she did and I went.  We survived debating why it's called Good Friday so I pressed my luck and ventured into Trumpism.  I abruptly stood up from the conversation table after she asked the question "What has Ted Cruz done lately, except get FAT"?  Though I had to somewhat agree with her (silently), I left anyway knowing that this Trumper had exhausted all logical data points.

Wow... so you don't get along with your sister about politics and she just likes a different Republican than you? Yikes, you wouldn't like my family functions (on my side, my wife's family is basically apolitical, which is fine with me).

[corbe]

   My most successful Relationships in my Life have been apolitical; I thrive on them.  Unfortunately, my Family I can't choose, and they are just as stubborn as me BUT I Love them.

[mystery-ak]

I see this 4 letter nomenclature as being added to the forbidden word list,

Nah...there is too many on that list as it is...I'm not going to start putting acronyms on it...

[DCPatriot]

Wow... so you don't get along with your sister about politics and she just likes a different Republican than you? Yikes, you wouldn't like my family functions (on my side, my wife's family is basically apolitical, which is fine with me).

LOL!

Last Easter, I was having dinner at my brother's house...just him, his wife and myself.  They hate President Trump...the man.

Because it had really been bugging me seeing all the memes on the internet regarding the sexuality of Michelle Obama...from unabashed sources and old photos...the fact there are none of her while pregnant, etc..,

I blurted out..."Is Michelle Obama really a dude?  A transsexual??

Dead silence ...so I blurted out "What?"

He looks and says, "I have no idea why you would even ask that question".

Once and for all.... IS 'SHE' a "HE"?

Is that what all this transsexual crap is for?...to get the country ready for Michelle in 2024?  LOL!   

[MeshugeMikey]

   My Trumper sister should know better than invite me over for a Religious Dinner and all.  But she did and I went.  We survived debating why it's called Good Friday so I pressed my luck and ventured into Trumpism.  I abruptly stood up from the conversation table after she asked the question "What has Ted Cruz done lately, except get FAT"?  Though I had to somewhat agree with her (silently), I left anyway knowing that this Trumper had exhausted all logical data points.

i miss my trumper friends....no easter at Church This year

[MeshugeMikey]

 

[mountaineer]

The Incoherent Trump Indictment
It appears that Alvin Bragg has arrested Trump without telling him exactly what crimes he has allegedly committed and how he committed them.
by George Parry
April 9, 2023, 10:55 PM

In pre-Marxist America, the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution used to guarantee criminal defendants the right to “be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation” against them. This antiquated provision was interpreted to mean that an indictment  had to apprise the accused of the crime charged with such reasonable certainty that the defendant could prepare and present a defense. It was held that no indictment was sufficient if it did not set forth all of the elements that constituted the alleged crime. And, where an indictment described the crime by merely reciting the words of the criminal statute allegedly violated, it nevertheless had to allege facts necessary to bring the case within the statutory definition of the crime.

But now, in the brave new world of woke law enforcement, such bourgeois constitutional niceties appear to have been rendered inoperative. Just ask Manhattan District Attorney  Alvin Bragg, who has produced a legally incoherent grand jury indictment of former President Donald Trump.

To be sure the Sixth Amendment is still on the books as is Article 200.50 of the New York Criminal Procedure Law which provides, in relevant part, that an indictment “must contain” a “plain and concise factual statement in each count which … asserts facts supporting every element of the offense charged and the defendant’s … commission thereof with sufficient precision to clearly apprise the defendant … of the conduct which is the subject of the accusation…”

But, judging from the incomplete, impenetrable, and mystifying contents of the Trump indictment, it appears that Bragg has arrested Trump without telling him exactly what crimes he has allegedly committed and how he committed them. Or, to paraphrase the Red Queen in Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, Bragg’s ground-breaking prosecutorial strategy appears to be “trial first, charges afterward.” ...

George Parry is a former federal and state prosecutor.

American Spectator

[Kamaji]

The Incoherent Trump Indictment
It appears that Alvin Bragg has arrested Trump without telling him exactly what crimes he has allegedly committed and how he committed them.
by George Parry
April 9, 2023, 10:55 PMAmerican Spectator

The solution is for Trump to either (a) move to have the indictment dismissed for insufficiency, or (b) request a bill of particulars to fill in the factual allegations that support the offenses alleged in the indictment.

Until (b) happens, and is denied, and then (a) is denied, and the case proceeds to trial and conviction, there has been no denial of Sixth Amendment rights.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The solution is for Trump to either (a) move to have the indictment dismissed for insufficiency, or (b) request a bill of particulars to fill in the factual allegations that support the offenses alleged in the indictment.

Until (b) happens, and is denied, and then (a) is denied, and the case proceeds to trial and conviction, there has been no denial of Sixth Amendment rights.

So.e people just insist on bringing actual law into legal discussions....

You should be ashamed of yourself.   /S

[roamer_1]

So.e people just insist on bringing actual law into legal discussions....

You should be ashamed of yourself.   /S

 

[Kamaji]

So.e people just insist on bringing actual law into legal discussions....

You should be ashamed of yourself.   /S

My bad!

[Hoodat]

The solution is for Trump to either (a) move to have the indictment dismissed for insufficiency, or (b) request a bill of particulars to fill in the factual allegations that support the offenses alleged in the indictment.

Until (b) happens, and is denied, and then (a) is denied, and the case proceeds to trial and conviction, there has been no denial of Sixth Amendment rights.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

[Kamaji]

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

And none of that will be implicated unless (a) the prosecutor refuses to provide a bill of particulars after Trump requests one, (b) the court refuses to dismiss the indictment for failure to state the underlying facts, and (c) the case goes to trial and Trump is convicted.

Why do you think the NY Penal Code provides for a bill of particulars?  Just for shits and giggles?

If the indictment is deficient, then the course of action is to either have it dismissed, or have it supplemented via a bill of particulars.

[MeshugeMikey]

And none of that will be implicated unless (a) the prosecutor refuses to provide a bill of particulars after Trump requests one, (b) the court refuses to dismiss the indictment for failure to state the underlying facts, and (c) the case goes to trial and Trump is convicted.

Why do you think the NY Penal Code provides for a bill of particulars?  Just for shits and giggles?

If the indictment is deficient, then the course of action is to either have it dismissed, or have it supplemented via a bill of particulars.

the accused MIGHT BE  less worroed about the NYC case that the GEORGIA CASE...

that hes as worried as he clealy is...points toward an expected conviction.

his people..sorry lot though they are.... have infomed the donny that it looks very very BAD for him

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I personally think the Georgia case is utter crap.  Trump clearly believed personally that there was large-scale fraud in Georgia.  Whether he was right or wrong is immaterial because criminality requires criminal intent, and that is a subjective state of mind.

If he believed there was fraud, then asking the governor of that state to get evidence of that fraud is perfectly legal.  It's only if he didn't believe it, and is asking the state to manufacture false evidence of fraud, that criminality arguably occurs.

[Kamaji]

I personally think the Georgia case is utter crap.  Trump clearly believed personally that there was large-scale fraud in Georgia.  Whether he was right or wrong is immaterial because criminality requires criminal intent, and that is a subjective state of mind.

If he believed there was fraud, then asking the governor of that state to get evidence of that fraud is perfectly legal.  It's only if he didn't believe it, and is asking the state to manufacture false evidence of fraud, that criminality arguably occurs.

[MeshugeMikey]

I personally think the Georgia case is utter crap.  Trump clearly believed personally that there was large-scale fraud in Georgia.  Whether he was right or wrong is immaterial because criminality requires criminal intent, and that is a subjective state of mind.

If he believed there was fraud, then asking the governor of that state to get evidence of that fraud is perfectly legal.  It's only if he didn't believe it, and is asking the state to manufacture false evidence of fraud, that criminality arguably occurs.

Found not gullty by reason of insanity.....

the suspect had NO IDEA......never has had..and  never will

[roamer_1]

I personally think the Georgia case is utter crap.  Trump clearly believed personally that there was large-scale fraud in Georgia.  Whether he was right or wrong is immaterial because criminality requires criminal intent, and that is a subjective state of mind.

If he believed there was fraud, then asking the governor of that state to get evidence of that fraud is perfectly legal.  It's only if he didn't believe it, and is asking the state to manufacture false evidence of fraud, that criminality arguably occurs.

That's right.

[Hoodat]

I personally think the Georgia case is utter crap.  Trump clearly believed personally that there was large-scale fraud in Georgia.

I'm 100% certain that there has been fraud on the GOP side in the last five Georgia elections - 2020 primary and general, 2021 runoff, and 2922 primary and general.

[roamer_1]

I'm 100% certain that there has been fraud on the GOP side in the last five Georgia elections - 2020 primary and general, 2021 runoff, and 2922 primary and general.

I have followed your relentless reporting on the subject, and I will back you on that.

Even so, the only corruption that matters is the corruption you can prove in court.

There IS some use outside of that maxim - If you can convince the People, they may move the legislature(s) without the court... BUT, proof in court, I would say, is the standard.

[Kamaji]

I'm 100% certain that there has been fraud on the GOP side in the last five Georgia elections - 2020 primary and general, 2021 runoff, and 2922 primary and general.

Fraud committed by the GOP, or against the GOP??

[corbe]

   Ronna is unavailable for comment on the former charge.

[Hoodat]

Fraud committed by the GOP, or against the GOP??

By the GOP, against candidates they don't like.  I had a friend who was going to run against Hank Johnson in GA-4.  But because she wouldn't bow to the State GOP, they found another candidate to challenge her in the GOP primary.  They even filled out all the paperwork and paid all the fees of their token candidate.  Naturally, this token candidate ended up winning the GOP nomination even though he didn't campaign.

There was a lot of shady things that went down in that primary.  Thousands of votes disappeared from the tally.  So she challenged the election.  Not as a candidate (which is very important), but as a voter.  Which means that she was not challenging the results, but was challenging the integrity of the election itself.  The State GOP didn't like that, so they approached her and said that if she dropped the challenge, they would declare that the tally was wrong and that she was the real winner, making her the nominee.  She refused.

Not sure where that challenge is right now, but the November elections proved that the fix was in.  The State GOP basically cut a deal with the Dems.  The GOP kept all State offices in exchange for the US Senate seat.

[sneakypete]

By the GOP, against candidates they don't like.  I had a friend who was going to run against Hank Johnson in GA-4.  But because she wouldn't bow to the State GOP, they found another candidate to challenge her in the GOP primary.  They even filled out all the paperwork and paid all the fees of their token candidate.  Naturally, this token candidate ended up winning the GOP nomination even though he didn't campaign.

There was a lot of shady things that went down in that primary.  Thousands of votes disappeared from the tally.  So she challenged the election.  Not as a candidate (which is very important), but as a voter.  Which means that she was not challenging the results, but was challenging the integrity of the election itself.  The State GOP didn't like that, so they approached her and said that if she dropped the challenge, they would declare that the tally was wrong and that she was the real winner, making her the nominee.  She refused.

Not sure where that challenge is right now, but the November elections proved that the fix was in.  The State GOP basically cut a deal with the Dems.  The GOP kept all State offices in exchange for the US Senate seat.

@Hoodat

I really do wish with all my heart that I could argue with that,but I can't.