Paul Ryan Will Skip Republican National Convention if Trump Wins Primary

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I'm honestly not sure what point you were trying to make there.  My point was that it is primary voters, not the "elites", that decide who the nominee is going to be.   

@Maj. Bill Martin

An interesting theory. Yes,that IS the way it is supposed to be,but it is a closed game now and it seems like there are a lot of voters that like it that way because it will keep "rude orange man" out of the WH if they stick together and steal another election.

[sneakypete]

Trump endorses Paul Ryan, John McCain

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-endorses-paul-ryan-226729?_amp=true

@cato potatoe

Endorsing McLunatic is a GIANT step in the wrong direction.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

An interesting theory. Yes,that IS the way it is supposed to be, but it is a closed game now and it seems like there are a lot of voters that like it that way because it will keep "rude orange man" out of the WH if they stick together and steal another election.

@sneakypete

If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?

[LMAO]

Trump endorses Paul Ryan, John McCain

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-endorses-paul-ryan-226729?_amp=true

Many Trumpers are an interesting breed

We are told to ignore many of his liberal positions, his shady character, donations to Democrats including  the likes of Harry Reid and Kamala Harris, his endorsement of people like McCain and Ronna McDaniel, ect Ect

But, because DeSantis voted with Ryan a few times and said hello to him a few times, well, that makes him part of the GOP globalist Soros backed RINO establishment. And a picture of a younger Ron DeSantis at a party, where there was some teens that may have been drinking  under age, with no context whatsoever, well, that makes Ron DeSantis the lowest of the lowlife individuals, while dismissing Trump’s own and known shady associations, especially with the likes of Jeffrey Epstein

They don’t realize how confused they sound to us. Although I think it’s more panic than anything.

[LMAO]

@sneakypete

If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?

Because they believe Trump is entitled to the nomination, and the presidency, and everybody else should just step aside

Hillary Clinton believed she was entitled. It didn’t work out for her very well.

[cato potatoe]

They don’t realize how confused they sound to us. Although I think it’s more panic than anything.

I would like to know when Paul Ryan became a RINO globalizer.  Was it after he left office?  Not only did Trump gush about Ryan, but he vetoed zero bills from the 115th congress. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I would like to know when Paul Ryan became a RINO globalizer.  Was it after he left office?  Not only did Trump gush about Ryan, but he vetoed zero bills from the 115th congress.

Ryan turned into a RINO globalist in Trump's mind the moment he assigned some blame to Trump for January 6.  It's his go-to epithet for anything anyone does that aggravates him, regardless of whether it has anything to do with globalism or not.

Kind of reminds me of my paternal grandfather and communists, where any person who did anything wrong became a communist.  When he was living in Florida and the snowbirds all came down for the winter and clogged the roads, they were "communists".  If a contractor did his job poorly, he was a communist.  And if course, even in the 70's, every Democrat was a communist too.

That's Trump and his use of "RINO/Globalist". 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ryan turned into a RINO globalist in Trump's mind the moment he assigned some blame to Trump for January 6.

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Nope.  It was actually after this @Maj. Bill Martin :

Trump says Paul Ryan reneged on deal to fund border wall
CBS News, Jan 31, 2019

President Trump said in an interview published Wednesday night that former House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., reneged on a deal to fund the border wall while Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. In an interview with the conservative website The Daily Caller, Mr. Trump said Ryan promised to fund the wall if the president signed the 2018 spending bill.

"Well, I was going to veto the omnibus bill and Paul told me in the strongest of language, 'Please don't do that. We'll get you the wall.' And I said, 'I hope you mean that, because I don't like this bill,"' Mr. Trump said. "Paul told me in the strongest of terms that, 'Please sign this and if you sign this we will get you that wall.' Which is desperately needed by our country. Humanitarian crisis, trafficking, drugs, you know, everything — people, criminals, gangs, so, you know, we need the wall."

The president signed the $1.3 trillion spending bill in March to avoid a government shutdown. Hours later, he voiced regrets.

"I will never sign another bill like this again," Mr. Trump said at the time. "I'm not going to do it again. Nobody read it. It's only hours old."

Mr. Trump's comments to the Daily Caller came just days after he inked a bill to reopen the government after a record 35-day shutdown. The bill also didn't include funding for his border wall.

"I was very disappointed in Paul because the wall was so desperately needed. And I'll get the wall," Mr. Trump said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-daily-caller-interview-paul-ryan-border-wall-mueller-investigation-2019-01-31/#

And then Ryan skipped out of town, taking 34 House Republicans with him paving the way for the Pelosi Speakership and the impeachment of President Trump.

[Hoodat]

Trump waited until after Ryan left office to make those comments.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Trump waited until after Ryan left office to make those comments.

The issue was never Ryan and the House, but the Senate.  Ryan had put money for the wall in earlier proposals but they could never get it through Senate Democrats who only needed 41 votes to kill it.   So either nothing gets passed, or you pass what you can and try to get wall funding later.

You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government. He was so used to running his own companies where he didn't have to get approval from anyone else that the whole balance of powers is something that seemed to flummox him repeatedly.

[Kamaji]

The issue was never Ryan and the House, but the Senate.  Ryan had put money for the wall in earlier proposals but they could never get it through Senate Democrats who only needed 41 votes to kill it.   So either nothing gets passed, or you pass what you can and try to get wall funding later.

You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government.

Nope.  You're just wrong.  Again.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?

@Maj. Bill Martin

Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.

[roamer_1]

Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.

Neither of which is empirically true at all, @sneakypete .

In my case, I have always thought Tumpy a chooch. And he has done nothing to dissuade me of that. But more than that, What he has done to fiscal conservatism and to libertarianism is more grievous than ANYONE I can think of.

I walked away from Boosh way before his 'Too big to Fail' - But that was certainly his biggest failure of all. Well, that was orders of magnitude beneath Tumpy's cost.

For that ALONE, he deserves no credit, and certainly no second chance.

That is a very legit b*tch and I am certainly not the only one looking at the numbers.

And that alone is NO MISTAKE.
It's a bare fact.

Oh HELL no.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@sneakypete

So to summarize: 

@sneakypete
If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?

And your response:

@Maj. Bill Martin

Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.

So Republican primary voters who prefer someone other than Trump are not "conscious, thinking people", and if they outvote Trump supporters, then the election has been "stolen" from Trump, and is illegitimate.  Glad we got your view of what constitutes a "stolen" election out in the open - It's any election that Trump loses.

Got it!

[Cyber Liberty]

For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time.  I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today.  He and his supporters are driving me away from him.  On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere. 

Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.

[roamer_1]

For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time.  I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today.  He and his supporters are driving me away from him.  On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere. 

Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.

That's right. That's REALLY right. It's bad enough to have to put up with in its time. Wading in this early is ridiculous.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time.  I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today.  He and his supporters are driving me away from him.  On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere. 

Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.

I think that general sentiment -- just getting tired of all the negativity/mudslinging -- is increasingly common.  Best strategy for challengers is just to avoid it for as long as possible.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think that general sentiment -- just getting tired of all the negativity/mudslinging -- is increasingly common.  Best strategy for challengers is just to avoid it for as long as possible.

Which appears to be DeSantis's strategy.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's right. That's REALLY right. It's bad enough to have to put up with in its time. Wading in this early is ridiculous.

And that's right too.  Too early in the season for this crap. Can't we have a break here?

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

So to summarize: 

And your response:

So Republican primary voters who prefer someone other than Trump are not "conscious, thinking people", and if they outvote Trump supporters, then the election has been "stolen" from Trump, and is illegitimate. Glad we got your view of what constitutes a "stolen" election out in the open - It's any election that Trump loses.

Got it!

@Maj. Bill Martin

Happy to help you get your hissy-fit of the day  out of your system.

[LMAO]

For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time. 

Same here. I'm leaning towards DeSantis as of now but, should he run, I will hear what he has to say along with his record outside of Trump's 15 year old jilted girl temper tantrums

[Bigun]

For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time.  I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today.  He and his supporters are driving me away from him.  On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere. 

Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.

  I'm still on the Trump train but barely at this point in time.

[corbe]

   I was at the original Train Station in '15, I knew it would wreck.

[Cyber Liberty]

Same here. I'm leaning towards DeSantis as of now but, should he run, I will hear what he has to say along with his record outside of Trump's 15 year old jilted girl temper tantrums

Exactly.  We are only viewing the Fun House Mirror images of what DeSantis will do.