Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says

[Fishrrman]

I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?

Either "not guilty by reason of insanity", or "guilty, but insane" (some insanity laws were changed after Mr. Reagan was shot in 1981).

It might not be all that far from the truth.
This guy sounds as psycho as Norman Bates...

[Idiot]

I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?

Either "not guilty by reason of insanity", or "guilty, but insane" (some insanity laws were changed after Mr. Reagan was shot in 1981).

It might not be all that far from the truth.
This guy sounds as psycho as Norman Bates...

Don't you have to be a bit insane to hack up 4 people?  He still deserves to die, if he is indeed the killer.

[rangerrebew]

Accused Idaho killer was studying under serial killer expert
Story by Brian Entin • Yesterday 7:12 PM
 
Nation(NewsNation) - Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger previously studied under an academic who is a serial killer expert.

Kohberger, who was a graduate student at Washington State University's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology at the time of the killings, also studied criminology during his time at DeSales University in Center Valley, Pa.

It was there that he studied under Dr. Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychologist who has spent decades researching serial killers and mass murderers. She appeared on NewsNation in October to discuss the Delphi case.

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/accused-idaho-killer-was-studying-under-serial-killer-expert/ar-AA15SmMI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b233f1403dd441dba2e8fde1df9091f3

[mountaineer]

... Shocked former classmates remembered the accused killer as being an intelligent student in high school, but was bullied often and could, in turn, be a bully to others himself.  They said he struggled with heroin addiction and weight loss.

“It was bad,” Kohberger’s former high school classmate Sara Healey told Fox News Digital on Friday. “There was definitely something off about him, like we couldn’t tell exactly what it was. I remember one time when I was walking in the hallway, and he stopped me and was like, ‘Do you want to hang out?’”

“But Bryan was bullied a lot, and I never got a chance to say something to defend him, because he would always run away,” she added.

Despite always performing well in school, she said he was often rejected and bullied by girls that she believes he may have internalized, leading him to lash out and commit such a heinous, violent crime.

Another friend said that Kohberger suddenly changed in his senior year of high school when he lost a significant amount of weight. ...

NY Post: Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report

[GtHawk]

NY Post: Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report

Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later! Why do people always have to try and come up with excuses for a monster or heinous acts? Maybe the SOB has always been evil and his studies with Dr. Katherine Ramsland gave him the thought that he could finally indulge himself to the fullest and...get away with it. Just hang the son of a bitch!

[DB]

Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later! Why do people always have to try and come up with excuses for a monster or heinous acts? Maybe the SOB has always been evil and his studies with Dr. Katherine Ramsland gave him the thought that he could finally indulge himself to the fullest and...get away with it. Just hang the son of a bitch!

"Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later!"

You still have time...

[Idiot]

This likely isn't his first rodeo.  He's probably killed animals and people previously. 

[GtHawk]

"Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later!"

You still have time...

Nah, I just swear, it relieves the tension like a T&P valve on a water heater, and then I'm good to go...unless I didn't take my BP meds

[Hoodat]

I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?

Absolutely.  He was just crazy about those girls.

[DCPatriot]

Absolutely.  He was just crazy about those girls.

The two blonde girls were connected at the hip.

One of the girls publicly insulted him for his lack of social graces and all three may have laughed their asses off.  The young man was in the wrong place...or ...

He came to the girl's aid who wanted him to go away?

This is the Hollywood script I'd submit for the $1M prize.

[rustynail]

Anyone know how tall the suspect is?

[catfish1957]

Moment of Kudos to the specific law enforcement guys who were able to take this monster out of commission.

[mystery-ak]

 January 3, 2023 11:47am EST

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted for first time since arrest
Kohberger's parents and two sisters are expected to be in court Tuesday for the extradition hearing

By Rebecca Rosenberg , Stephanie Pagones , Chris Eberhart | Fox News

STROUDSBURG, Pa – Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was spotted Tuesday for the first time since his arrest stepping out of a prisoner transport van at the courthouse in advance of his highly anticipated extradition hearing.

Kohberger, 28, wore a red jail-issue jumpsuit and had his hands shackled in front of him, as two law enforcement officials escorted him to the Monroe County Courthouse at about 10:45 a.m.

He remained stone faced as reporters pelted him with questions that included, "Why did you do it?" and "Are you going to Idaho?"

At one point the accused mass murderer, wearing a haunting expression, looked directly at the scrum of media.

excerpt:

Kohberger was nabbed after authorities matched DNA from the crime scene to a sample submitted by one of his immediate family members to a genealogy testing website, a law enforcement source told Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-spotted-first-time-since-arrest

[mystery-ak]

January 3, 2023 2:30pm EST
Bryan Kohberger's lawyer sends defense investigators to crime scene: source
Bryan Kohberger's parents and two sisters say they are standing behind him
By Ted Williams , Rebecca Rosenberg | Fox News

EXCLUSIVE - MOSCOW, Idaho — Investigators hired by Bryan Kohberger's defense team arrived Tuesday at the home where he's accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students, Fox News Digital has learned.

Three men and two women arrived at the King Road house at about noon Eastern time and spent 45 minutes taking video inside and outside the property.

Kaylee Goncalves, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle and Madison Mogen were knifed to death in the early morning hours of Nov. 13 on the second and third floors of the home.

Four of the investigators left after touring the home Tuesday, while a crime scene reconstruction analyst remained.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/bryan-kohbergers-lawyer-sends-defense-investigators-crime-scene-source

[Kamaji]

Where oh where could two simple professors find the money for lawyers and investigators and who knows what else.

Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.

[DB]

Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.

All the while creating more victims to his madness.

[mystery-ak]

January 3, 2023 5:18pm EST
Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger seen on body camera footage during traffic stop in Indiana
He waived extradition and will be returned to Idaho to face murder charges

By Michael Ruiz , Paul Best | Fox News


MOSCOW, Idaho — Bryan Kohberger, the criminology Ph.D. student suspected of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November, was stopped last month in Indiana while on a cross-country road trip with his father to the family's home in Pennsylvania, according to body camera footage obtained by Fox News Digital.

A wide-eyed Kohberger could be seen leaning over in the driver's seat of a white Hyundai Elantra after he was pulled over by an Indiana state trooper at approximately 10:50 a.m. on Dec. 15 in Hancock County, Indiana.

"When you were driving by me there you were a little too close to the back of the semi," the state trooper tells Kohberger and his father, who is sitting in the passenger seat.

Kohberger appears to reference being previously stopped by a local sheriff's deputy.

"I'm not going to give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got stopped. Just make sure you're giving yourself plenty of room," the state trooper said.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder-bryan-kohberger-seen-body-camera-footage-traffic-stop-indiana

[mystery-ak]

 January 3, 2023 6:13pm EST
Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger home
Pennsylvania police said windows and doors were broken in the Albrightsville home where Bryan Kohberger was arrested

By Adam Sabes , Chris Eberhart | Fox News

   STROUDSBURG, Pa. — Law enforcement officials broke windows and doors when executing an overnight search warrant in the arrest of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, Pennsylva police said Tuesday.

Pennsylvania State Police Major Christopher Paris said during an afternoon press conference that "force was used" to gain access to the Kohbergers' home during the early morning hours of Dec. 30 in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.

"There were multiple windows that were broken, I believe, to gain access, as well as multiple doors," Paris said during the press conference Tuesday afternoon, adding that Bryan Kohberger's parents were home at the time.

Paris said that preparations for the search warrants execution began on the evening of Dec. 29, and added that around 50 "tactical assets" were on scene.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-pa-police-say-force-was-used-when-search-warrant-was-executed-kohberger-home

[GtHawk]

Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.

@Kamaji
I don't know what I was thinking mixing up to very different threads too much happening right now and I need to pay more attention.

[Hoodat]

Anyone know how tall the suspect is?

My guess would be 6'.

[rustynail]

Seems right.  Thanks.

[Kamaji]

FBI watched Idaho 'killer' take out the trash from his parents' home and put it in their NEIGHBOR'S bin while wearing surgical gloves at 4am: Agents used items to link him to DNA found at crime scene

By EMMA JAMES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
6 January 2023

An FBI surveillance team watched Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger take out the trash at his parent's house wearing surgical gloves at 4am – before dumping it in a neighbor's bin.

New details of how the authorities snared the alleged quadruple murderer have been revealed, with officers watching the 28-year-old for four days before his arrest.

The officers were tasked with tracking Kohberger so they could arrest him as soon as a warrant was issued as well as trying to get hold of an object to compare DNA to a sample found at the scene.

He was also seen cleaning the inside and outside of his car, with the source adding that he didn't 'miss an inch'.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11606831/Idaho-murders-FBI-watched-Bryan-Kohberger-trash-parents-home.html

[mountaineer]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1611388705465409537

Chris Kurtz
@ckurtzopks81
Replying to @JackPosobiec
This doesn't make sense based on affidavit. Dylan woke hearing what she thought was Kaylee playing with dog. They were probably killed 3rd floor first. Then at end she hears guy speak and crying and he walked around corner from xana bedroom to the slider to leave at the end.
11:39 AM · Jan 6, 2023

Tammie McDonald 🇺🇸
@TammieMcDonal17
Replying to @JackPosobiec
Why did Dylan wait for 8+ hours to call for help. Her friends were dead in rooms around her and she didn’t call for help? I understand being in shock, but this doesn’t make sense
10:51 AM · Jan 6, 2023

larsonsewell@msn.com
@larsonsewell
Replying to @JackPosobiec
It is impossible to imagine a scenario where Dylan hears crying, strange noises, and sees a man in a ski mask leave the house at 4:00 am and yet doesn’t check her roommates or call the police until noon the next day. There is no plausible explanation for that.
11:17 AM · Jan 6, 2023

[GtHawk]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1611388705465409537

Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?

[mountaineer]

Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?

Yes, he reportedly asked about anyone else being arrested. Very curious.

[Idiot]

Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?

He doesn't look like the kind of person to have many friends.

[DB]

He doesn't look like the kind of person to have many friends.

Perhaps he tried to setup someone else before he got caught.

[ChemEngrMBA]

His public defender has received all the evidence against him and clearly sees his conviction forthcoming.
She will cop a plea deal to spare his miserable life, thus insuring that he will suffer decades of ridicule, tauntings and threats from inmates and guards.  Hopefully he will hang himself within the year.

Afterthought:  Perhaps one or two of the cute college age girls spurned his advances and he decided to get revenge, in addition to continuing his perverted research on the minds and actions of murderers.

(Kohberger's note to self:  "Why did you leave that damned scabbard behind!")

[Mod2]

Merged threads. A comment that is your own and not a published article does not require a separate thread.

[sneakypete]

Tying him to a stake and setting him on fire works for me.

EXPECIALLY if it is televised and mandatory viewing by inmates in all the prisons.

[sneakypete]

And might have knowledge and expertise to beat the rap.

@catfish1957

Seems unlikely,given the fact that they knew who he was and had the local cops in another state arrest him so quickly.

Now we just have to hope the DA doesn't screw up the case,or allow an insanity plea. This boy needs to die in prison,the sooner the better so he can provide a public service by showing the other inmates what their likely future is if they keep living the life of a criminal.

[sneakypete]

Cell phone would seem most likely. Then a process of elimination.

@DB

Chances are that as a criminal law student he had also given blood in the past.

[mystery-ak]

The chilling messages ex-FBI investigator believes Bryan Kohberger posted in online discussion groups before his arrest - with details about Idaho murders NO ONE could have known

    Former FBI investigator Jennifer Coffindaffer suggested that suspect Bryan Kohberger joined social media discussion groups about the Idaho murders 
    Many now believe Kohberger is the man behind the Pappa Rodgers Facebook and InsideLooking Reddit accounts 
    Both accounts made chillingly accurate speculations and the person behind them was accused of being the real killer on Facebook and Reddit
    One of the moderators of the Facebook group noted that the Pappa Rodgers account went silent following Kohberger's arrest  

By Ronny Reyes For Dailymail.Com

Published: 00:35 EST, 7 January 2023 | Updated: 07:25 EST, 7 January 2023

A former FBI investigator has suggested that Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of slaying four Idaho college students, joined online groups discussing the killings.

Jennifer Coffindaffer said she had been following the comments of a Facebook user with the handle Pappa Rodgers, who along with a Redditor with the handle InsideLooking, made chilling speculations about the murders that turned out to be true. 

In an archive about the two online personas who frequented discussions about the brutal slayings, both users accurately pointed out the timeline of the killings and the fact that police found a knife sheath, all before the details were publicly revealed. 

more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11608817/Ex-FBI-investigator-believes-Idaho-murders-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger-joined-online-discussion-groups.html

[DB]

@DB

Chances are that as a criminal law student he had also given blood in the past.

They got blood samples from his family's home trash. But they already knew who they were looking for before the DNA was collected. The car caught on camera and the cell phone where the big clues. He turned off his phone just before going and doing the murders and turned it back on afterwards. And then drove by the house later that morning with the cell phone on. The cell phone gave him away.

[sneakypete]

That's insane.  The next National Socialist regime will be able to identify Jews, Slavs, etc. from a genetic database.

@Hoodat

You DO know that most people who give blood to be listed in those data bases have to agree to let their blood info be public,right?

Most do it because they are looking for family connections with people who are strangers to them. Maybe they have been adopted,or think they have a close blood relation that was adopted,and are trying to find them.

These systems don't work unless you agree to let your blood info become public.

Nothing illegal or dubious about it.

[240B]

The investigators said at the outset that the killer made mistakes.

He left a bloody shoeprint. Was seen at the crime scene by a witness. Left the sheath of the knife on the scene. Left DNA at the crime scene. Had a picture of his car leaving the scene. And his cell phone was pinging the entire time.

All of the police chatter about having no leads and no suspect was subterfuge. They had him long before they arrested him.

His famous 'criminology degree' is very much in question. He committed the murders with no more expertise than any average Joe. All of his criminology background never came into play. He was sloppy.

[240B]

It is weird to think, hard to comprehend, hard to think about.
It is my opinion that this whole thing was just an 'experiment' in his doctoral thesis.

He wanted to know, to feel, he wanted blood on his own hands, to write what it is like.

[240B]

His goal i can understand in a sort of, he wanted to know what it was really like to Kill. He wanted to stab, he wanted the blood. But how could a PHD in criminal psychology be so stupid?

[Kamaji]

Comments about the knife sheath would be a big tell.

[sneakypete]

His goal i can understand in a sort of, he wanted to know what it was really like to Kill. He wanted to stab, he wanted the blood. But how could a PHD in criminal psychology be so stupid?

@240B

You are confusing stupidity with insanity.

Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.

The opposite is true of the insane.

[catfish1957]

@240B

You are confusing stupidity with insanity.

Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.

The opposite is true of the insane.

Unibomber (Kaczynski) sure seems to meet your premise.

College professor.

[GtHawk]

It is weird to think, hard to comprehend, hard to think about.
It is my opinion that this whole thing was just an 'experiment' in his doctoral thesis.

He wanted to know, to feel, he wanted blood on his own hands, to write what it is like.

Which doesn't change him being evil and demented one damn bit! One thing to think about it, mystery /horror authors do it all the time, but to actually go out and do it?

[GtHawk]

@240B

You are confusing stupidity with insanity.

Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.

The opposite is true of the insane.

Pete you say insane, but I'm loath to use that term because it offers an excuse for what he did, No I'm not saying you are making excuses for him, I think this SOB is just flat out EVIL and don't accept any excuses like 'he was bullied' or 'he was insane'. My opinion is that just like a rabid dog this POS needs to be put down, I sincerely hope he hasn't bred

[sneakypete]

Pete you say insane, but I'm loath to use that term because it offers an excuse for what he did,

I have never personally seen insanity as an excuse. I see it as an excellent reason to double down on sentencing. I ain't no shrike and don't play one on TB,but I have seen/known a few insane people,and they just don't get better if left to their own devices,they just get worse. When a mind is truly "broken" it can't be fixed,only sedated,and none of them enjoy being sedated because it "take all the fun out of crazy".

No I'm not saying you are making excuses for him, I think this SOB is just flat out EVIL and don't accept any excuses like 'he was bullied' or 'he was insane'. My opinion is that just like a rabid dog this POS needs to be put down, I sincerely hope he hasn't bred

Can't argue with either of those opinions. Despite what the professional fools we call "shrinks" claim,there ARE some people who are just so "broken" they can't be "fixed". Hell,they don't even WANT to be "fixed".

[mountaineer]

Attorney Reveals Why Idaho Massacre Survivor Likely Didn’t Immediately Call 911
by David Hookstead
about 3 hours ago

... One of the most fascinating parts of the case is the fact a roommate who survived the attack, identified in the probable cause affidavit as D.M., saw the killer in the house moments after the massacre. However, police weren’t called for eight hours and D.M. returned to her room.

The probable cause affidavit doesn’t make it crystal clear how close D.M. was to the killer. She was definitely close enough to get a look at the uncovered part of his face and his build. ...

Shanon Gray, who represents the family of Kaylee Goncalves, spoke with Fox News about the situation and the survivor’s actions. He made it clear an intense amount of fear likely paralyzed her.

“Remember, she’s a victim in this case. Everyone kind of forgets that. She’s still a victim in this case, and the fact that she was able to give some additional identification I think is beneficial in this case. She was able to give kind of type and build and what [the suspect] looked like a little bit — bushy eyebrows, things along those lines,”

He added that she returned to her room out of fear and explained, “She was scared to death and rightly so. This guy had just murdered four people in the home. So, who knows what was going through her head, but the Gonzalez family doesn’t have any ill will towards her.” ...

Outkick

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@240B

You are confusing stupidity with insanity.

Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.

The opposite is true of the insane.

He wasn't insane.  He just lacked morals and a conscience.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Attorney Reveals Why Idaho Massacre Survivor Likely Didn’t Immediately Call 911
by David Hookstead
about 3 hours ago
Outkick

I feel very sorry for that girl.  She'll probably never forgive herself for something that doesn't require forgiveness.

[sneakypete]

He wasn't insane.  He just lacked morals and a conscience.

@Maj.Bill Martin

I ain't no shrink and don't even play one on teebee,but that pretty much defines insanity.

[Hoodat]

Unibomber (Kaczynski) sure seems to meet your premise.

College professor.

Ex-college professor.  The think that impresses me about Kaczynski is the effort, sacrifice, and dedication he put into his bombings.  This Idaho murderer was no Ted Kaczynski.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj.Bill Martin

I ain't no shrink and don't even play one on teebee,but that pretty much defines insanity.

I guess it works colloquially.  I'm a lawyer so I tend to see everything through that prism.  Under the law, sociopathy/psychopathy has no relevance to criminal liability or sentencing.  If anything, I agree with your point upthread that it actually makes it worse.