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« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2022, 04:47:49 pm »
 Biden calls Florida mayors — but not DeSantis — as Hurricane Ian nears shore
By Steven Nelson   
September 27, 2022 2:09pm

President Biden called three Florida mayors Tuesday as Hurricane Ian nears Florida’s western coast — but didn’t call Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, with whom he has clashed on issues such as COVID-19 policies and migration.

Presidents frequently speak directly with governors during emergency events — both to demonstrate political unity and to help coordinate federal and state relief efforts.

As the devastating Category 3 storm approached, Biden instead spoke with Tampa Mayor Jane Castor, St. Petersburg Mayor Ken Welch and Clearwater Mayor Frank Hibbard. Castor and Welch are Democrats, while Hibbard is a Republican.

DeSantis is a potential 2024 Republican presidential candidate and has frequently criticized Biden’s performance.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said at her regular press briefing that Biden “held separate calls” with the mayors and “discussed planning and preparation for Hurricane Ian.”

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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2022, 04:57:02 pm »
I will touch base when I can -- we are supposed to see the worst tomorrow around noon until middle of Thursday.  We have a solar charged radio and cell phone charger.  The last hurricane took out a couple of cell towers, so who knows.

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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2022, 05:18:30 pm »
My daughter relocated to Clearwater this past weeken..  Perfect timing.
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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2022, 05:38:55 pm »
Intensity seems to have sustained at 4:00 p.m. advisory.  Cone has shifted 30-40 miles southward.  From Vis Sat, do not see any weakening yet.  This is still a very powerful storm and sustaining its convection outflow well in every direction. I do see some slight SW to NE shear, but its doing little to hinder the storm.

Sarasota to Punta Gorda now seem to be the NHC points of impact. A great deal of the western FL coast is still in the cone too.  Still a lot can change in the next 24-36 hours.  One thing though, 10-15 storm surge is nothing to play with. Add that to Cat 3/4 winds?

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« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2022, 05:49:30 pm »
My daughter relocated to Clearwater this past weeken..  Perfect timing.

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« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2022, 06:14:21 pm »
My daughter relocated to Clearwater this past weeken..  Perfect timing.

The struggle is real when you move to florida! Lets see how many damn yankee's decide to go back to NY after a fewe cat 3 Plus canes hit.
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« Reply #106 on: September 27, 2022, 06:32:59 pm »
Joe Biden Avoids Phone Call with Ron DeSantis Ahead of Hurricane Ian

It’s unclear why Joe Biden is avoiding a phone call with Ron DeSantis, as he has previously contacted governors ahead of dangerous hurricanes.

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« Reply #107 on: September 27, 2022, 06:35:24 pm »
Prayers for your daughter to be safe….

She told me that her house is up on a hill.  <sigh>
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« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2022, 06:36:15 pm »
It’s unclear why Joe Biden is avoiding a phone call with Ron DeSantis, as he has previously contacted governors ahead of dangerous hurricanes.

It's perfectly clear to me.  Joe Biden is a petty little bitch.
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« Reply #109 on: September 27, 2022, 06:51:01 pm »
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« Reply #110 on: September 27, 2022, 07:08:46 pm »
It's perfectly clear to me.  Joe Biden is a petty little bitch.
“Let me be clear. If you’re in a state where hurricanes often strike like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas, a vital part of preparing for hurricane season is to get vaccinated,” Biden stated ahead of Hurricane Ian’s anticipated landfall on the west coast of Florida.

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« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2022, 07:24:47 pm »
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« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2022, 08:22:27 pm »
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« Reply #114 on: September 27, 2022, 09:23:57 pm »
 Biden speaks with DeSantis about Hurricane Ian
by Zach Schonfeld - 09/27/22 8:20 PM ET



President Biden spoke with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday evening, shortly after the governor said during a press conference that Biden had not yet called to discuss Hurricane Ian.

“President Biden spoke this evening with Governor DeSantis of Florida to discuss the steps the Federal government is taking to help Florida prepare for Hurricane Ian,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre tweeted. “The President and the Governor committed to continued close coordination.”

DeSantis during a press conference earlier on Tuesday evening said Biden had not called him, but the Florida Republican lauded Biden’s approval of Florida’s emergency declaration in a rare show of praise.

“I’m happy to brief the president if he’s interested in hearing what we’re doing in Florida,” DeSantis said.

“My view on all this is like, you’ve got people’s lives at stake, you’ve got their property at stake and we don’t have time for pettiness,” he continued. “We gotta work together to make sure we’re doing the best job for them, so my phone line is open.”

The White House previously stressed that the political differences between Biden and DeSantis would not affect the administration’s response to the hurricane.

DeSantis also indicated he has a good relationship with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which has sent personnel to Florida to assist in the state’s response.

Reporters pressed FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell at a White House press briefing earlier on Tuesday about the lack of a call between Biden and DeSantis, but she said it had not impeded planning for the storm.


“The President is very focused on making sure that the federal family has the right resources available to support this,” Criswell said. “That is why I contacted the governor right away, and we have a team of my senior leadership that are embedded with the governor to make sure that we’re supporting that.”

Biden also held calls with the mayors of Tampa, St. Petersburg and Clearwater to discuss the potential impacts of the hurricane across the state.

Hurricane Ian is expected to make landfall on Florida’s Gulf Coast between Wednesday afternoon and early Thursday morning.

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« Reply #115 on: September 27, 2022, 09:28:20 pm »
Hurricane IAN, LIVE, HITS KEY WEST


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« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2022, 09:31:24 pm »
Cape Coral has a storm surge problem if the path verifies.

Flooding rain is the headline along I-4.  Water tables are still high from the summer rains.

SE Florida has a day of tornadoes to deal with.

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« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2022, 09:32:06 pm »
This guy on you tube is showing a two tornadoes in addition to the hurricane.

It’s pretty scary


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« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2022, 09:34:19 pm »
My daughter relocated to Clearwater this past weeken..  Perfect timing.

Clearwater may have lucked out (for the 100th year in a row) other than torrential rains.  We’ll have to be wary of any major wobbles from the storm’s core, since the margin of error is pretty thin.

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« Reply #119 on: September 27, 2022, 09:55:46 pm »
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« Reply #120 on: September 27, 2022, 10:01:56 pm »
Cuba without electricity after hurricane hammers power grid


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AVANA (AP) - Hurricane Ian knocked out power across all of Cuba and devastated some of the country´s most important tobacco farms Tuesday when it slammed into the island´s western tip as a major hurricane.

Cuba´s Electric Union said in a statement that work is being done to gradually restore service to the country´s 11 million people between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. Power was initially knocked out in Cuba's western provinces, but subsequently the entire grid collapsed.

Ian made landfall as a Category 3 hurricane early Tuesday on the island´s west coast. It devastated Pinar del Río province, where much of the tobacco used to make Cuba´s iconic cigars is grown.





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« Reply #121 on: September 27, 2022, 11:36:08 pm »
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« Reply #122 on: September 27, 2022, 11:50:58 pm »


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« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2022, 12:58:36 am »
About 10 hours away from eyewall hitting SW FL Coast.

This close to land, and very well clustered model tracks seem to point to a Cape Coral/Ft. Myers landfall.  Anticipated NNE turn was earlier and more prounced than the NHC previously thought.  As dire as it looked for TB yesterday, it now looks like they may see no more than 50 mph winds, especially inland.  Crazy how quickly this thing can change.

Forecasted winds at landfall are expected to be 130 mph sustained, which would make it a minimal Cat 4.  8-12 storm surge and Cat 4 winds are likely to be catastrophic.

In the last couple of hours Ian's eye has gotten kind of raggedy, which may be some potential weakening, or an eye wall replacement.  There is a nice tongue of pretty dry air inflitatrating the west side, and I see some fading pf convection on the SW quadrant of the storm.  In fact this front along the Gulf coast is filteting in enough dry air that the entire west peripheral of Ian's upper atmospheric cloud shield is eroding.

These are some positve short term signs, but I think it is too late to have any drastic impact on this monster storm,
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« Reply #124 on: September 28, 2022, 02:08:20 am »
Prayers up for all y'all in the path of this storm!
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« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2022, 05:24:30 am »
Watch out for that knife in your back, Ron.

Indeed.  And no fake hugs, either, like Christie in NJ with Obama. 

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« Reply #126 on: September 28, 2022, 06:51:20 am »
Ian has just increased to 155 mph sustained.  Slight leftward wobble, headed toward Bradenton at the moment.  I hope some dry air entrains before the eyewall makes it to shore, otherwise, this is going to be catastrophic. 

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« Reply #127 on: September 28, 2022, 07:36:01 am »
Ian has just increased to 155 mph sustained.  Slight leftward wobble, headed toward Bradenton at the moment.  I hope some dry air entrains before the eyewall makes it to shore, otherwise, this is going to be catastrophic.

If it maintains this windspeed it would make it #4 in FL History, as far as strength of winds.  #9 in intensity @ 937mb

1. Labor Day Storm of 1935- 185 mph
2. Andrew- 1992- 165 mph
3. Michael- 2018- 160 mph
4. Ian- 2022- 155 mph

Storm surge estimates have upped to 12-16' from Englewood to Bonita Beach, including Charlotte Harbor.  Here in TX Ike (2008) is kind of recent benchark for us, and it was 17'.  Dozens died, stuck and stranded because they did not heed the warning.

30% of Port Charlotte is over age 65.  Terrible potential logistics, having to evacuate and relocate te elderly. Hopefully the town and nearby Bradenton are empty besides Emergency Managers.  Site also is not a stranger to large hurricanes, with the area being hit by Charley in 2004, as a Cat 4.

Looking at this elevation map, you can see how badly 16' of water will,wreck havoc on a lot of SW Florida......


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« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2022, 09:07:18 am »
I stayed on Gasparilla Island once.  I can't imagine being there when this storm hits.
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« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2022, 09:31:46 am »
I stayed on Gasparilla Island once.  I can't imagine being there when this storm hits.

Looking at that elevation map, looking at topo's, it looks like the entire city of Port Charlotte will innundatedwith catastrophic storm surge.  That is a city og 60K.  the offically list their elevation as 7 feet.
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Satellite images show ‘apocalyptic’ Hurricane Ian approaching Florida

By Lee Brown
September 28, 2022

Daunting satellite images show bolts of lightning sparking around the massive, swirling eye of Hurricane Ian — as the “apocalyptic” storm approaches Florida Wednesday after already knocking out power in Cuba.

The timelapse by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration came as more than 2.5 million people in the Sunshine State have been urged to evacuate before the eye is expected to hit there late Wednesday.

Other images from space showed the massive storm cutting an unmissable swath across the globe as it moved through the Caribbean Sea.

“Air Force Hurricane Hunters find Ian has strengthened into an extremely dangerous category 4 hurricane,” the US National Hurricane Center in Miami said at 5 a.m. Wednesday.

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Satellite images show ‘apocalyptic’ Hurricane Ian approaching Florida

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Daunting satellite images show bolts of lightning sparking around the massive, swirling eye of Hurricane Ian

Frequent peripheral lighting at eye wall Another leading indicator that storm is still strengthening.  This thing might be Cat 5 at landfall
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« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2022, 10:05:52 am »
Frequent peripheral lighting at eye wall Another leading indicator that storm is still strengthening.  This thing might be Cat 5 at landfall
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« Reply #134 on: September 28, 2022, 10:13:16 am »
Incredible.......

Outside the immediate Mexican coast near Tampico, the entire GOM is devoid of cumulus clouds. 25N- 30N Dry Ridge and Ian has sucked out atmospheric moisture dry.  Never remember seeing this before.

As far as the storm itself, I don't know if my eyes are deceiving me, but the sat loop the past couple hours kind of look like a stall....  or it might be wobble too, though.
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« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2022, 10:32:42 am »
Expert Dan Kottlowski said.

As of 10 a.m. EDT Wednesday, Hurricane Ian had maximum sustained winds of 155 mph, just 2 mph shy of Category 5 intensity. Ian was moving north-northeastward at 10 mph, and was about 55 miles southwest of Manasota Key, Florida. Hurricane-force winds extended outward 40 miles and winds of tropical storm force reached 175 miles from the center, according to the National Hurricane Center (NHC).



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Re: Hurricane Ian Thread
« Reply #137 on: September 28, 2022, 10:48:50 am »

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This was very similar to Ike in '08.  Though Ike was only a Cat 2, it accumulated enough surface convection and square miles that it basically became a dome of sea water.  Don't forget surge very often does not correlate with atmospheric pressures or wind speeds.

Storm surge in my neck of the woods was the worst in my lifetime.

Also for interest, if Ian does even slightly strengthen, it would be only the 5th hurricane in continental U.S. History to strike as a Cat 5.

1. 1935 Great Labor Day Hurricane- South Florida
2. 1969- Camille- LA/MS coast
3. 1992- Andrew- South Florida
4. 2018- Michael- FL panhandle
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« Reply #138 on: September 28, 2022, 10:59:06 am »
I know the offical NHC advisory says that storm is moving NNE.  But from my view of the last 4 hrs. of sat. loops, this thing looks a lot more like a northward vector than NNE.

Tampa Bay might not want to let their guard down just yet.
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« Reply #139 on: September 28, 2022, 11:07:47 am »
To put the size of this storm in perspective, Ian right now has feeder bands impacting both Cuba and Cape Hatteras.
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« Reply #140 on: September 28, 2022, 11:08:07 am »
I know the offical NHC advisory says that storm is moving NNE.  But from my view of the last 4 hrs. of sat. loops, this thing looks a lot more like a northward vector than NNE.

Tampa Bay might not want to let their guard down just yet.

Predicted it would focus on the Panhandle and skirt Ft. Myers, Sarasota and Tampa.

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« Reply #141 on: September 28, 2022, 11:22:37 am »
Predicted it would focus on the Panhandle and skirt Ft. Myers, Sarasota and Tampa.

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Even with all the fancy models and technology, in the past 15 years NHC average forecasting error out 3 days is 100 miles.  5 days? 200 miles.

Not exactly random, but those kind of errors wreck havoc for Emergency Managers.  When I used to do that at a plant, the back and forth of relying the ebb and flow of good/bad weather data  made it tough to make decisons.

Still remember my plant manger asking me if he needed to shut the plant down during Rita.  Talk about stressful.
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« Reply #142 on: September 28, 2022, 11:29:48 am »
When I used to do that at a plant, the back and forth of relying the ebb and flow of good/bad weather data  made it tough to make decisons.

Still remember my plant manger asking me if he needed to shut the plant down during Rita.  Talk about stressful.

I always wanted to ride one out on a Gulf platform.  But this particular corp. once had one break loose from its tendons and flip over.  That would suck.
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« Reply #143 on: September 28, 2022, 11:42:22 am »
I always wanted to ride one out on a Gulf platform.  But this particular corp. once had one break loose from its tendons and flip over.  That would suck.

What kind of wind were those rigs designed to withstand?  Don't know if I'd like to be on that kind of ride out crew.
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« Reply #144 on: September 28, 2022, 11:47:48 am »
From radar vantage, eye wall is now hitting what appears to be barrier islands between Cape Coral and Englewood.  Base on N/NNE trek appears the towns of Englewood and Venice are gong to be in the eye the next couple of hours.

Sarasota and Brandenton afterwards and probably by the western eye wall.
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« Reply #145 on: September 28, 2022, 11:55:29 am »
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« Reply #146 on: September 28, 2022, 11:56:28 am »
One other point to warn FL Briefers.....   even if you are 50-200 miles from the storm, keep an eye on the sky for tornadoes.  Biggest risk is normally at landfall, and a few hours afterwards after landfall.  Especially east and north of the COC.
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« Reply #147 on: September 28, 2022, 11:57:17 am »
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« Reply #148 on: September 28, 2022, 11:59:36 am »
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« Reply #149 on: September 28, 2022, 12:32:40 pm »
What kind of wind were those rigs designed to withstand?  Don't know if I'd like to be on that kind of ride out crew.

The one I was on, maybe 180-200 mph.  But this was deepwater.  The tendons are a mile long.  We went through several hurricanes during my time there.  On return, there may have been some things broken off here and there.  But never a breach of any inside areas.  And normally the ballast tanks would keep it upright even if it broke loose.  But no telling where it would end up.
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