Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a Yea

[art.prout]

 

[Hoodat]

For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.

[Smokin Joe]

He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm.  I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave.  I work among these cretins, not with the isolated.  Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.

Then, obviously, McConnell remains the problem.

[mountaineer]

For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.

It seems rather swamplike.

[libertybele]

For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.

He always was part of the problem rather than the solution. His corruption continues.

The leftists still need as many corrupt politicians as they can muster to stop Trump from running in '24.

[Bigun]

Then, obviously, McConnell remains the problem.

  

And US allowing cretins (I like that word) like him to tell us who we can elect to represent us!

[cato potatoe]

He always was part of the problem rather than the solution. His corruption continues.

Barr may be correct this time.  Trump is extremely arrogant and petty.  If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year.  We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections.  And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly. 

[Bigun]

Barr may be correct this time.  Trump is extremely arrogant and petty.  If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year.  We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections.  And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly.

Here's what I can tell you @cato potatoe I've been in this political game for more than 40 years and Donald J. Trump, warts and all, moved the ball further in the direction I want it to go than any president in my 74 years of living on this earth and did it while constantly under fire from BOTH sides of the aisle!

[libertybele]

Barr may be correct this time.  Trump is extremely arrogant and petty.  If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year.  We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections.  And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly.

So .... an ex-president is supposed to comply with his former corrupt AG?  The current AG and DOJ are corrupt.  I highly doubt what the MSM is trying to convey about Trump is accurate.  Certainly the J6 investigation was a circus.  The FBI raiding Mar A Lago months after documents were handed over to me is suspect.

Extort Republicans into nominating him again??  How so?

Who is creating the controversy?  The same leftists who were responsible for the insurrection on J6 to begin with!

[cato potatoe]

Here's what I can tell you @cato potatoe I've been in this political game for more than 40 years and Donald J. Trump, warts and all, moved the ball further in the direction I want it to go than any president in my 74 years of living on this earth and did it while constantly under fire from BOTH sides of the aisle!

Moreso than Reagan?  By what metric?  Some good things happened from 2017-2019.  Others not so much.  His final year was a complete disaster for conservatism, with the notable exception of Amy Coney Barrett.  He disparaged her after the election. 

Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office, and has courted controversy since leaving, rather than letting Biden sink himself.  We should not be talking about an FBI raid on his home ... or an indictment.  He wanted to run again.  If the librarians want the stupid documents, just hand them over.

[Bigun]

Moreso than Reagan?  By what metric?  Some good things happened from 2017-2019.  Others not so much.  His final year was a complete disaster for conservatism, with the notable exception of Amy Coney Barrett.  He disparaged her after the election. 

Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office, and has courted controversy since leaving, rather than letting Biden sink himself.  We should not be talking about an FBI raid on his home ... or an indictment.  He wanted to run again.  If the librarians want the stupid documents, just hand them over.

Yes! Moreso than Reagan by every metric! Exposing the deep state alone puts him far above ALL the others IMHO! And I am not disparaging Ronald Wilson Reagan in any shape, form, or manner!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office

Fact of the matter is not even coordinated voter and election fraud could completely erase Trump's rise in popularity during his first term  -- to the tune of nearly 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 @cato potatoe   --- A first for an incumbent candidate for president.

[cato potatoe]

So .... an ex-president is supposed to comply with his former corrupt AG?  The current AG and DOJ are corrupt.  I highly doubt what the MSM is trying to convey about Trump is accurate.  Certainly the J6 investigation was a circus.  The FBI raiding Mar A Lago months after documents were handed over to me is suspect.

Yes they are corrupt.  The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them.  Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place?  It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.

Extort Republicans into nominating him again??  How so?

Same as 2016.  If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless.  He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect. 

Who is creating the controversy?  The same leftists who were responsible for the insurrection on J6 to begin with!

All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025.  That's all he had to do. 

[Bigun]

Yes they are corrupt.  The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them.  Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place?  It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.

Same as 2016.  If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless.  He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect. 

All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025.  That's all he had to do.

Avoiding them is EXACTLY what brought us to the place in which we find ourselves @cato potatoe

Name me ONE war that has been won by avoiding the enemy!

[libertybele]

Yes they are corrupt.  The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them.  Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place?  It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.

Same as 2016.  If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless.  He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect. 

All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025.  That's all he had to do.

In 2016 Trump was hardly a spoiler; other than Cruz, he destroyed all the other candidates quite quickly.

How and why would Trump just go away when the media is still focusing on him, the leftists are out to prevent him from running again and the FBI just raided his home?  Keep in mind, that he indeed turned over documents months prior to the raid.

Just my opinion, but with Trump's following and rather large base, I highly doubt someone is going to run against him.  Mittens or some other RINO might try, but it is doubtful they will even try.  Why do you think they left (including RINO's) are so bent on getting rid of him??? He IS a threat and his supporters haven't gone away.  He is their voice.

[cato potatoe]

Fact of the matter is not even coordinated voter and election fraud could completely erase Trump's rise in popularity during his first term  -- to the tune of nearly 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 @cato potatoe   --- A first for an incumbent candidate for president.

Right, but 15 million for Biden.  They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.

[cato potatoe]

Avoiding them is EXACTLY what brought us to the place in which we find ourselves @cato potatoe

Name me ONE war that has been won by avoiding the enemy!

Pick your battles.  Getting prosecuted for withholding "souvenirs" is just dumb.

[Bigun]

Pick your battles.  Getting prosecuted for withholding "souvenirs" is just dumb.

Do you have "special" knowledge about what was there are you just regurgitating what the thoroughly corrupt media is telling you?

[Bigun]

Right, but 15 million for Biden.  They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.

Horseshit! 100%!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Right, but 15 million for Biden.  They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.

Explain how Biden received these magical 15 million votes without 15 million corresponding voters.

[aligncare]

Right, but 15 million for Biden.  They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.

No wonder you’re so obstinate on Trump. Now I understand you. You actually believe the 2020 election results were accurate and legitimate!

Then there’s nothing left to say if you think Americans voted en mass for Biden’s lackluster campaign of lies and issues avoidance.

Biden to the rescue!  Because Americans were sick of market gains, low inflation, jobs, cheap gas and enhanced border security. Trump was such a disaster!

[cato potatoe]

Do you have "special" knowledge about what was there are you just regurgitating what the thoroughly corrupt media is telling you?

What was in the boxloads of crap they took from his house?  All of this was done with a political calculation.  If the contents were properly declassified, and never specifically requested, then the Biden admin looks like a bunch of thugs.  I doubt it turns out that way.

[Hoodat]

What was in the boxloads of crap they took from his house?  All of this was done with a political calculation.  If the contents were properly declassified, and never specifically requested, then the Biden admin looks like a bunch of thugs.

I had no idea that articles of clothing, passports, newspaper clippings, personal photos, the contents of lingerie drawers, etc. required "proper declassification".

[cato potatoe]

Explain how Biden received these magical 15 million votes without 15 million corresponding voters.

He didn't.  The population increased by 9 million, and turnout swelled to 62% of the VAP.  That's about where it was in the 1960s.  People were given two months to vote, with no requirement of showing up at a place they otherwise never visit, on a certain day.  Trump should have encouraged more of his people to vote by mail.  He was very fortunate the weather was good on election day.

[Bigun]

I had no idea that articles of clothing, passports, newspaper clippings, personal photos, the contents of lingerie drawers, etc. required "proper declassification".

You forgot personal medical records.

[Hoodat]

Right, but 15 million for Biden.  They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.

There is a huge difference between 'votes' and 'voters casting votes'.  Did you know that Georgia has more names on its voter rolls than it has people eligible to vote?  And in the last election, Georgia received over 160,000 ballots from new names written on voter rolls with no form of ID ever being presented?

[Right_in_Virginia]

He didn't.  The population increased by 9 million, and turnout swelled to 62% of the VAP.  That's about where it was in the 1960s.  People were given two months to vote, with no requirement of showing up at a place they otherwise never visit, on a certain day.  Trump should have encouraged more of his people to vote by mail.  He was very fortunate the weather was good on election day.

You think this explains how 15 million votes don't require 15 million voters?

[Hoodat]

Here's what happens when 'ballots' fail to show up at your inauguration.



81 million votes, my ass.

[catfish1957]

You forgot personal medical records.

Yep.....

Someone in the DOJ's got some 'splaining to do.

[Hoodat]

Right, but 15 million for Biden.

I assume you are comparing against Hillary's numbers.  Biden has his own coattail numbers from 2008 and 2012.  Biden lost votes the second time he ran as VP.  Yet we are to believe that his total magically increased by a whopping 25% with Obama no longer on the ballot?  Yeah, right.

And that still doesn't explain all the uncreased ballots that showed up in the final Georgia tally four days after election day, 99% of which went for Biden - uncreased ballots that had just been ordered from the printer by Fulton County five days before election day, not enough time to be delivered by election day.

[Hoodat]

He didn't.  The population increased by 9 million

Let's consider that population increase, shall we?  What made up that population increase?  Two things:

• Live births
  
• Foreign immigrants

Neither of which would be allowed to vote in 2020.  See what happens when you mindlessly parrot Democrat talking points?  If you want to make a case for population increase, you would have to go back 18 years.

[cato potatoe]

You think this explains how 15 million votes don't require 15 million voters?

You have to prove that in a court of law.  As it stands, the dems just did a somewhat better job of exploiting the rules that were in place. 

[Hoodat]

You have to prove that in a court of law.  As it stands, the dems just did a somewhat better job of exploiting the rules that were in place.

In Georgia, they violated the rules.  Ballot harvesting is illegal in this state.  Counting ballots without representatives of both Parties present is also illegal.  Bypassing chain of custody is illegal.  Setting up more than one drop box per county is illegal.  Withholding video surveillance of drop boxes is illegal.  Registering voters without proof of identification is illegal.  Separating ballots from envelopes is illegal.  Allowing partisan operatives directly connected to a political party to collect absentee ballots is illegal.  Flooding the state by mailing absentee ballots to every registered address completely unsolicited is illegal.  And denying people who show up to vote their right to vote because a mail-in ballot with their name on it (but not their signature) is also illegal.  Using automated voting machines without certifying the software is illegal.  So what were you saying about following the rules that were in place?

[cato potatoe]

In Georgia, they violated the rules.  Ballot harvesting is illegal in this state.  Counting ballots without representatives of both Parties present is also illegal.  Bypassing chain of custody is illegal.  Setting up more than one drop box per county is illegal.  Withholding video surveillance of drop boxes is illegal.  Registering voters without proof of identification is illegal.  Separating ballots from envelopes is illegal.  Allowing partisan operatives directly connected to a political party to collect absentee ballots is illegal.  Flooding the state by mailing absentee ballots to every registered address completely unsolicited is illegal.  And denying people who show up to vote their right to vote because a mail-in ballot with their name on it (but not their signature) is also illegal.  Using automated voting machines without certifying the software is illegal.  So what were you saying about following the rules that were in place?

Take it up with Raffensperger.  And keep in mind, the pubs dominated that state until Trump rode down the escalator.

[massadvj]

Take it up with Raffensperger.  And keep in mind, the pubs dominated that state until Trump rode down the escalator.

This is the great irony of the 2024 election.  The GOP was in control in most of these states when the rules of the election were set up.  Here in Pennsylvania, our Republican-dominated legislature supported vote by mail, which opened the door to massive harvesting.  And whose FBI was it that made sure Facebook and Twitter put the kabosh on the Hunter Biden story?  Trump's administration, that's who.

So, in so many ways, we have met the enemy and he is us.

[Hoodat]

Take it up with Raffensperger.

That's really beautiful and all.  But it does absolutely nothing to refute the fact that your 'they followed the rules' claim is pure unadulterated bullshit.

[Hoodat]

So, in so many ways, we have met the enemy and he is us.

Make note though on how quickly the argument has shifted.  We have gone from 'The Democrats won fair and square' to 'Sure, the Democrats cheated, but it's the Republican's fault'.

[cato potatoe]

Let's consider that population increase, shall we?  What made up that population increase?

VAP went from 245M to 252M over four years.  The rest of the increase was driven by higher turnout on both sides.  About 14% of the electorate voted for the first time.  Biden won them 64-32, and was dead even with the rest.

[cato potatoe]

That's really beautiful and all.  But it does absolutely nothing to refute the fact that your 'they followed the rules' claim is pure unadulterated bullshit.

I’ve listened to interviews where he dispelled rumors, one by one.  Trump asked him to “find” 11,000 votes, and he refused.  Republicans just gave the nod to Raff.  They are ready to move on.

[Hoodat]

VAP went from 245M to 252M over four years.

How many of those were new immigrants not eligible to vote?

[Hoodat]

I’ve listened to interviews where he dispelled rumors, one by one.

Rumors?  What rumors?  I am citing things that actually happened.

[Right_in_Virginia]

As it stands, the dems just did a somewhat better job of exploiting the rules that were in place.

Ever wonder why the vote counting went dark @cato potatoe ??

[catfish1957]

Ever wonder why the vote counting went dark @cato potatoe ??

And to that fact dark at the exact same time. Vote counting stopped, and every news outlet moved from tally counts to electoral analysis. A building lead in each state for Trump, then  mysteriously starts reversing. 

This shit had zero plausibility or probability from happening.  The Steal was real, no matter how much the left whines otherwise.

@Right_in_Virginia and I manned the 2020 election thread and reported it right here as it happened.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html

[libertybele]

And to that fact dark at the exact same time. Vote counting stopped, and every news outlet moved from tally counts to electoral analysis. A building lead in each state for Trump, then  mysteriously starts reversing. 

This shit had zero plausibility or probability from happening.  The Steal was real, no matter how much the left whines otherwise.

@Right_in_Virginia and I manned the 2020 election thread and reported it right here as it happened.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html

I'm trying to understand why anyone still thinks that the election wasn't stolen?

[Hoodat]

I'm trying to understand why anyone still thinks that the election wasn't stolen?

I'm trying to understand why a member here insists on regurgitating already disproven Democrat talking points.

[cato potatoe]

Ever wonder why the vote counting went dark @cato potatoe ??

I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning.  In most cases it took several days or weeks.  The early red wave had been predicted for weeks in advance.  Once the mail ins had been counted, the results were closer to what had been forecast by polling. 

Clearly, the laws need to change in order to forbid the counting of ballots received after Election Day.  They also need to count ballots as they arrive, as was done in Florida.  Any extended count restricts the window for election challenges.

[massadvj]

I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning.  In most cases it took several days or weeks.  The early red wave had been predicted for weeks in advance.  Once the mail ins had been counted, the results were closer to what had been forecast by polling. 

Clearly, the laws need to change in order to forbid the counting of ballots received after Election Day.  They also need to count ballots as they arrive, as was done in Florida.  Any extended count restricts the window for election challenges.

They need to eliminate mass mail in balloting altogether, except absentee voting where the voter has to specifically request a ballot.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I don’t know why they took the night off,

Yes you do.

[Hoodat]

I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning.

That's just it.  They didn't take the night off.  Here in Georgia, they told all the Republican election observers to go home.  And as soon as they left, they counted ballots all night.  Fresh crisp uncreased ballots.  All in violation of Georgia election law.

[Hoodat]

Fulton County, Georgia, right after Republican election monitors were told to go home and come back in the morning.