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« Reply #1775 on: February 02, 2023, 02:34:41 pm »
Exactly.  And left unsaid is how Putin exactly plans to get those 500,000 new troops into Ukraine and support them.  There are few roads leading into the country from points north and east, and they will be mined and watched very carefully.  And will T-62 tanks be leading the charge toward Kyiv this time?
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« Reply #1776 on: February 02, 2023, 03:16:06 pm »
Yesterday, Russia lost over 900 soldiers KIA.  If they are preparing for a massive counter-attack, then why are they sacrificing so many troops now?

Russia also already had some of the worst sustainable demographics in the world.

Socialogical suicide unfolding before our eyes?  Killing 100's of K's of your 18-25 young men is supposed to be a benefit to the country in the big picture?    Problem is, I think its going to take something like losing Crimea, before the Russians wake up an hoist Putin up a light pole.
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« Reply #1777 on: February 02, 2023, 06:03:53 pm »
Yesterday, Russia lost over 900 soldiers KIA.  If they are preparing for a massive counter-attack, then why are they sacrificing so many troops now?

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Because that is all they know how to do,and they don't give a rabid rats ass about how many of their soldiers have to die or be maimed for life. After all,the leadership NEVER gets close to the front lines,
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« Reply #1778 on: February 02, 2023, 06:05:27 pm »
Exactly.  And left unsaid is how Putin exactly plans to get those 500,000 new troops into Ukraine and support them.  There are few roads leading into the country from points north and east, and they will be mined and watched very carefully.  And will T-62 tanks be leading the charge toward Kyiv this time?

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« Reply #1779 on: February 02, 2023, 06:12:23 pm »
Russia also already had some of the worst sustainable demographics in the world.

Socialogical suicide unfolding before our eyes?  Killing 100's of K's of your 18-25 young men is supposed to be a benefit to the country in the big picture?    Problem is, I think its going to take something like losing Crimea, before the Russians wake up an hoist Putin up a light pole.

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Should have happened a long time ago,but the Neo-Soviet Union is still a dictatorship.

I think the only thing that scares Soviet Dictators is losing a war in such a way they can't fool the public about a loss.

Historically,losing dictators don't fare very well unless they can fly away before the public gets their hands on them,and I am not so sure the Politburo Members of today would be willing to let him go.

As noted previously,he does have his own private jet,as well as his own private yacht,which I have heard described as "the largest yacht in the world". If he can get to either before the peasants (anyone who is not a Politburo member),he is gone.

Provided of course that the Russian Navy don't sink the yacht and the Russian AF doesn't turn his private jet into a flaming mass of aluminum.
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« Reply #1780 on: February 02, 2023, 06:42:54 pm »
The Flying Yeet of Death

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54003

I’ve previously covered suicide drones and drones dropping RPGs. Now Ukraine is evidently cutting out the middleman and passing the savings on to Ivan by just strapping RPGs to light drones and guiding them in.

The is a great application of one of Murphy’s Military Laws: “If it’s stupid but it works, it ain’t stupid.” For the Russians, it must be quit embarrassing to get yeeted into the afterlife by Doogie Howser’s science fair project.

I’m somewhat surprised that drones that small can carry the RPG rounds effectively, but presumably they’re replacing camera gear or something close to the same weight.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KhfcVyNTBs&t=75s

That picture of the drones strapped to an RPG at the end of the video is BS. There is no way those little drones could pick up that much weight. Not even close.
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« Reply #1781 on: February 02, 2023, 07:36:23 pm »
This drone-mounted RPG is terrifying


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« Reply #1782 on: February 03, 2023, 12:58:16 am »
Joe Biden Offered Vladimir Putin 20 Percent of Ukraine to End War: Report

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-vladimir-putin-ukraine-territory-end-war-nzz-report-1778526

The White House and the CIA have responded to a report that CIA Director, William Burns, offered Russian President Vladimir Putin a fifth of Ukraine's territory to end the ongoing war as part of a peace plan drawn up on behalf of President Joe Biden.

A CIA official told Newsweek that claims in the report from Swiss-German newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung (NZZ) that Burns took a secret trip to Moscow in January and that there was a peace proposal put forward by the director on behalf of the White House were "completely false."

Last month, Burns traveled in secret to meet and brief Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv, The Washington Post reported.

Burns is said to have submitted the plan in mid-January to put an end to the war, which began on February 24, 2022. The story was reported by NZZ on Thursday, citing high-ranking German foreign politicians.

Both Kyiv and Moscow reportedly rejected the proposal.

According to the newspaper, the proposal offered "around 20 percent of Ukraine's territory"—approximately the size of Ukraine's eastern Donbas region.

Kyiv reportedly shut down the proposal "because they are not willing to have their territory divided" while Russian officials said they "will win the war in the long run anyway," reported NZZ, which has been described as the Swiss newspaper of record.

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And when Ukraine and Russia both rejected the proposal, the Biden administration pledged to provide Kyiv with Abrams tanks, NZZ reported.
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« Reply #1783 on: February 03, 2023, 01:02:45 am »
'Threatening rhetoric': Lavrov calls tiny Moldova 'the next Ukraine'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/lavrov-moldova-next-ukraine

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov referred to Moldova as “the next Ukraine" in a criticism of the Black Sea state that stokes Moldovan anxiety about the prospect of an attack from Russia.

"We categorically reject the statement by the head of Russian diplomacy, which does not correspond to reality, and is part of the already well-known threatening rhetoric of Russian diplomacy,” the Moldovan Foreign Ministry said Thursday.

Lavrov drew the analogy as Moscow renews its attempt to characterize its invasion of Ukraine as a defensive struggle against fascist ideology. Russia has maintained a military presence in Moldova over the objections of the Moldovan government, a dispute that could provide kindling for another crisis, spurring Moldova to seek deeper ties with U.S. and European governments.

"The West has already set its sights on the Republic of Moldova,” Lavrov told state media, saying that Moldova has “a president who wants to join NATO, has Romanian citizenship, is ready to unite with Romania and, in general, she is ready for almost anything.”

The territory of modern Moldova was annexed by the Soviet Union in 1940, but Moldova and Romania, a member of NATO, have long-standing social and cultural ties stemming in part from their common background as part of the former Kingdom of Romania. Moldova has a neutrality clause in its constitution, but Moldovan President Maia Sandu has accused Russia of trying to use “corrupt groups and some political groups to destabilize” her country.

“There is a serious discussion in the society, about our capacity to defend ourselves — whether we can do it ourselves, or whether we should be part of a larger alliance,” Sandu told Politico’s EU Confidential podcast. “It’s not Moldova which started a war against its neighbors ... Now that we see the Russian aggression against Ukraine, we understand how serious this is, and we understand that we need to make the defense sector a priority.”

Moldovan intelligence officials have suggested that the Kremlin might try to seize the entire Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea in order to create a corridor that links mainland Russia with the disputed territories of Moldova.

“The question is not whether the Russian Federation will launch a new offensive in the direction of Moldovan territory, but when it will happen: either at the beginning of the year, in January, February, or later, in March, (or) April,” Moldovan spy chief Alexandru Musteata said in December. “What will follow — their intentions towards Chisinau — we can discuss. But this is a real and very high risk.”

Lavrov’s comments come a week after Putin’s allies in the Russian parliament issued their own warnings.

"If Moldova wants to destroy its own state, this is the best way,” Russian lawmaker Leonid Kalashnikov said, referring to the idea of Moldova’s membership in NATO. “If they think that, like Finland or Sweden, secretly, quickly, taking advantage of the situation, they can join NATO and that nothing will happen to them for this in their own country, they should remember something else. The fact that Finland has two official languages and respects its people.”

Moldova has applied to join the European Union, which is an economic and political bloc, not the military alliance that is NATO.

“Joining the EU is our only option to survive as a democracy, so it's a must for us,” Sandu said.

“We do believe in democracy. We want to stay part of the free world.”

Her government struck a similar note in its response to Lavrov. "We would like to remind the Russian side that the path Moldova is following is the path of accession to the EU,” the Moldovan Foreign Ministry said. “Moldova has clearly chosen its future, and this future is part of the free world.”

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« Reply #1784 on: February 03, 2023, 01:20:14 am »
MORE proof that you have to be as stupid as a stick to be a Russian official.
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« Reply #1785 on: February 03, 2023, 02:00:09 am »
Joe Biden Offered Vladimir Putin 20 Percent of Ukraine to End War: Report

Ukraine is not Biden's to give.
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« Reply #1786 on: February 03, 2023, 03:58:54 am »
Ukraine is not Biden's to give.

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Neither are any of the secrets and favors he is selling,but that doesn't stop him.

He thought he saw a way to scam a few billion in under the table kickbacks,so he went for it.

Or his handlers did,anyhow. The biggest decision Slow Joe makes these days is what flavor of ice cream he is going to eat.
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« Reply #1787 on: February 03, 2023, 12:19:52 pm »
Russian casualties in Ukraine are nearing 200,000, with losses from the assault on Bakhmut far out-weighing the city's strategic value, US officials say

By DAVID AVERRE
3 February 2023

U.S. officials have estimated the number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is nearing 200,000 as bitter World War One style warfare continues to rage on the front lines.

The officials, who spoke to the New York Times on condition of anonymity, warned the number of casualties is extremely hard to measure.

But they added that continued trench warfare, close-quarter fighting and heavy use of artillery in and around the city of Bakhmut in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region has dramatically increased the death toll in recent weeks.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709517/Russian-casualties-Ukraine-nearing-200-000-officials-say.html

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« Reply #1788 on: February 03, 2023, 01:38:31 pm »
U.S. officials have estimated the number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is nearing 200,000

And now you understand how 25 million Soviets lost their lives in WWII.
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« Reply #1789 on: February 03, 2023, 01:40:36 pm »

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« Reply #1790 on: February 03, 2023, 10:05:38 pm »
And now you understand how 25 million Soviets lost their lives in WWII.

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The deaths of peons doesn't matter. EVERYBODY knows that!

The important thing is that the leadership,that only got close enough to the front lines to hear an artillery burst before turning around and fleeing back to Moscow,never to return.

Fighting and dying are for the Proletariat,not the Nobility.
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« Reply #1791 on: February 03, 2023, 11:16:51 pm »
And now you understand how 25 million Soviets lost their lives in WWII.

Seems eventually ordinary Russians would rise up and say “enough!” 

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« Reply #1792 on: February 03, 2023, 11:19:44 pm »
Exactly.  And left unsaid is how Putin exactly plans to get those 500,000 new troops into Ukraine and support them.  There are few roads leading into the country from points north and east, and they will be mined and watched very carefully.  And will T-62 tanks be leading the charge toward Kyiv this time?

Greetings TR!  Nice to see you in the upscale suburbs, away from the chaotic mess that is that “other” site!

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« Reply #1793 on: February 03, 2023, 11:23:48 pm »
Seems eventually ordinary Russians would rise up and say “enough!”

You are talking about a country that was still practicing serfdom 162 years ago.
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« Reply #1794 on: February 04, 2023, 04:13:28 am »
Greetings TR!  Nice to see you in the upscale suburbs, away from the chaotic mess that is that “other” site!

There are a lot of people here that left that wet mess...
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« Reply #1795 on: February 04, 2023, 11:29:01 am »
RE#1775

Exactly.  And left unsaid is how Putin exactly plans to get those 500,000 new troops into Ukraine and support them...

Its not possible. So Russia is following its playbook. First, scream escalation and World War Three. Then announce a bigger response on their own, such as two to four times as many soliders as they can deploy. When the new aid arrives to Ukraine, claim won't matter and it is all going to get destroyed - or say it is getting destroyed before it arrived. 

One of the results of Russia's threats and inability to back them up, is the US, NATO and Europe are calling the bluff and moving ahead regardless of what Russia says.

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« Reply #1796 on: February 04, 2023, 02:52:18 pm »
Another Russian Su-24 shot down over Kherson yesterday.
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« Reply #1797 on: February 04, 2023, 02:53:00 pm »
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« Reply #1798 on: February 04, 2023, 03:53:14 pm »
Another Russian Su-24 shot down over Kherson yesterday.

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« Reply #1799 on: February 04, 2023, 05:17:10 pm »
RE#1775

Its not possible. So Russia is following its playbook. First, scream escalation and World War Three. Then announce a bigger response on their own, such as two to four times as many soliders as they can deploy. When the new aid arrives to Ukraine, claim won't matter and it is all going to get destroyed - or say it is getting destroyed before it arrived. 

One of the results of Russia's threats and inability to back them up, is the US, NATO and Europe are calling the bluff and moving ahead regardless of what Russia says.

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