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Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« on: April 17, 2022, 01:05:06 am »
I have been rebuilding my go-bag over the last couple years, and one of the things I have neglected was the twig stove... The main reason I have held off is cost.

Before I go off on it, maybe I should explain what a gassifier twig stove is, and why it is better than say, a firebox stove, which folks might see as more familiar.

A Firebox style stove is likely way more popular. They are a series of five flat sheets of stainless steel that store flat together, but can be clipped together to make a small stove that is mainly used by burning twigs - maybe 4" long less-than-thumb-sized branches, for the purpose of cooking, where a campfire may not be needed/desired.

A gassifier serves the same purpose, but to me has always been the better thing - Because it gassifies, it creates a highly efficient flame, which can be much hotter - I have been in conditions where a Firebox style stove could not be counted on to get you to a full rolling boil, be it wind, rain, poor fuel, or even extreme cold. But if you can get a gassifier gassing, it may take a while longer to get there, but I have never had one not boil water... Which is the main function for the thing, and an important one, if you are relying on it to sterilize drinking water, and cook food thoroughly to eliminate bacteria.

Now, on to a gassifier description... Historically it is a one-piece round stainless steel cylinder in shape, generally sized to fit inside a bush pot for storage... It has a central combustion chamber, and a double wall, which, as it heats up, allows fresh, super-heated air to flow from beneath the combustion chamber, inside the double-wall, to escape vents around the top - The fresh air combusts the gasses coming from the burn, creating a super-efficient flame that reduces the burning material completely to ash and is nearly smokeless once it is fully fired.

Generally, if you pack one well, you will easily get enough heat and duration to boil enough water for a Mountain House bag, and a cup of coffee without having to add any extra fuel at all. This is also in contrast to a Firebox style, which requires constant adding and fiddling.

Anyway, There are two grand-daddys in gassifier stoves, Probably Bush-Buddy was first, though Solo would argue about that. I have long been a Bush-Buddy guy. But in the case of both of them, while they both work fantastically, they are both crazy expensive... Somewhere between 100 and 120 dollars on average... Which brings me to my primary point - I have held off because a hundred bucks is too much. Crazy way too much. But I had pretty much resigned myself to laying down the cash, till I found there were other options... several really, but I will give you two:

The SilverFire
https://www.silverfire.us/economy-scout-stove

This is probably what I am buying, even though it is more expensive... It is US made, in OR/WA (kinda moving right now). and the other showstopper being its pot stand, which is a single piece construction, and presumably more durable than the Ohuhu which uses a secondary moveable and pinned pot stand, which seems to be easier to break. It comes well recommended, but with a lesser following I believe because it is only distributed from the Silverfire website, and I think it just is not as well known. It is on sale right now, somewhere around thirty bucks.

Both are similar in construction - Both have four major pieces, and break down and nest into perhaps half their assembled size (which is way cool compared to what I am used to - They would fit in my bush pot easily and still leave room for a possibles bag full of spices on top. They both assemble the same way, in seconds.

The Ohuhu
https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ohuhu+stove&link_code=qs&qid=1650170993&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-3

This is Chineseum, but stainless Chinesium, so there's that. But it comes well recommended in the bushcraft community and it is screaming cheap at twenty bucks on amazon, which means free shipping for me. I have already stated that I don't like the moving parts involved with the pot stand, and the other kinda irritating thing for me is that it won't take something like a coffee cup naturally, or say, a stainless water bottle. The pot stand is too wide to receive them. No biggie, really - it comes with a silly little grill that you would never actually use for grilling, but you could use that, and then it would receive a coffee cup alright.

So in conclusion, I just wanted y'all to know about em, as you might want to look at something in a gassifier for your bug-out or camping needs. Certainly check them out against a firebox style before you buy.


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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2022, 02:49:11 am »
Thanks, @roamer_1 I had been looking for something that doesn't use much fuel and can be run on a fistful of twigs (harder to come by here some times than folks might think). Efficiency can be vital. I also noted some of the higher priced options come with a skirted pot, which would cut cook/boil times in the wind, and that's always present here even though windbreaks can be made.
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2022, 02:59:11 am »
Here you have gone more primative than me, I recently got the alcohol burner one and keep about 20 bottles of 90% alcohol on hand, but this since it is not reliant on stored fuel is probable the better choice.
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2022, 03:02:39 am »
Thanks, @roamer_1 I had been looking for something that doesn't use much fuel and can be run on a fistful of twigs (harder to come by here some times than folks might think). Efficiency can be vital. I also noted some of the higher priced options come with a skirted pot, which would cut cook/boil times in the wind, and that's always present here even though windbreaks can be made.

ProTip: I carry a pair of Corona pruning shears (hand-sized) in my pack... All of em (Firebox or Gasser) work better with twigs stacked on end, and the control with the shears , and the ease of cutting up thumb-sized stuff... It just makes it a breeze. I use em anyhow, as a lot of what I might make around camp is fashioned from buck brush, so them shears are a useful tool to me.

As to the wind screen - I ain't got a happy recommendation for that, though I have used foldable aluminum ones before which usually store really flat, and come with a bag - They work real good, but are flimsy enough that if you get rough with em in the pack, they get bent, and don't like to unfold so much. You can fix it with some fussing, but I discarded the idea, because I tend to camp on the lee side of something anyway, especially in high wind... If I am in timber in high wind, you can bet I am in the lee of a gigantic rock somewhere.

Look into them gassers though. I already know from long experience you will find them very suitable.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2022, 03:07:53 am »
Here you have gone more primative than me, I recently got the alcohol burner one and keep about 20 bottles of 90% alcohol on hand, but this since it is not reliant on stored fuel is probable the better choice.

LOL! Like I said on the other thread, I carry alcohol and have a Trangia alcohol stove - But they are really just a fancy unless you are in a tent or real protected. They will work to boil a cup, but they take forever to boil a pot, like for Mountain House. Not a serious contender. And they are limited by how much alcohol you are carrying, and are just so much tin without it. A twig stove ALWAYS has fuel in the woods.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2022, 03:28:56 am »
BTW @Smokin Joe

You can use pellets with a gassifier. Burns longer, but not as hot IMHO.
You can fill the combustion tray (I dunno, maybe inch and a half or two inches) and that is more than enough to get some dinner done. And in your case, being out in the prairie, where you ain't always got brush, A gallon zippy in the pickup would last a long time.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2022, 05:37:18 am »
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2022, 02:26:33 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TYwLBcFDvU&t=13s].

I have seen that done (not with a gassifier), but it really ain't worth it. Put it on a spit over the fire. Or spatchcock it and grill it. on wet sticks. Not only will it be done way quicker, it will undoubtedly be better.

But I am worse than most at it. The quickest way to get charcoal is to give me biscuit dough and a billy pot. Wrap bannock around a stick - perfect every time. Go figger.

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2022, 03:33:17 pm »
Thanks for the info! Been investigating getting one or more shortly.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2022, 03:43:01 pm »
Thanks for the info! Been investigating getting one or more shortly.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2022, 04:35:07 pm »
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Your link shows the SilverFire gassifier price discounted to $29.  The pot is an extra $20.  Way less than the $100+ for the other.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2022, 04:50:09 pm »
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Your link shows the SilverFire gassifier price discounted to $29.  The pot is an extra $20.  Way less than the $100+ for the other.

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Sure, and if you want all that, have at it.  :beer:
I already have a billy pot, a canteen cup, and a nested cup under my water bottle... And while I can always use another ferro rod, I have plenty... So the various packages around the actual stove don't interest me much.

The only 'container' I am still trying to find (well really, select) is a foldable stainless frying pan. Other than that, I am already set... With abundance btw - I rarely use more than the billy pot and a coffee cup when I am in the woods (outside of water containment I mean).

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2022, 05:01:47 pm »
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Sure, and if you want all that, have at it.  :beer:
I already have a billy pot, a canteen cup, and a nested cup under my water bottle... And while I can always use another ferro rod, I have plenty... So the various packages around the actual stove don't interest me much.

The only 'container' I am still trying to find (well really, select) is a foldable stainless frying pan. Other than that, I am already set... With abundance btw - I rarely use more than the billy pot and a coffee cup when I am in the woods (outside of water containment I mean).
Possibilities: (I have not tried any of these)

https://www.amazon.com/Pathfinder-Stainless-Steel-Folding-Skillet/dp/B07GXSFCJP/ref=asc_df_B07GXSFCJP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309777441804&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3798552012478827470&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1016367&hvtargid=pla-569643177323&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61290892763&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=309777441804&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3798552012478827470&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1016367&hvtargid=pla-569643177323

https://www.kohls.com/product/prd-2412295/stansport-stainless-steel-mess-kit.jsp?skuid=38284569&CID=shopping15&utm_campaign=OUTDOOR%20RECREATION&utm_medium=CSE&utm_source=google&utm_product=38284569&utm_campaignid=9733267342&gclid=CjwKCAjw9e6SBhB2EiwA5myr9vneLdq1cNiW6bWfKRopTSPDWP4ADU8r70vsIa-yo6zYFORceIkfqhoCJsIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.backcountry.com/primus-campfire-frying-pan?CMP_SKU=PMS001O&MER=0406&skid=PMS001O-ONECOL-S21CM&mr:trackingCode=C268787D-7B22-E611-80F3-005056944E17&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc001&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&k_clickid=_k_CjwKCAjw9e6SBhB2EiwA5myr9s3y9maqTkB-1OMinLsGLeK2aMXAp7k0LuVtc0fmoKS9ompKJc9WwxoCaOoQAvD_BwE_k_&utm_id=go_cmp-213417397_adg-13362830317_ad-92885919757_pla-457981193219_dev-c_ext-_prd-PMS001O-ONECOL-S21CM&gclid=CjwKCAjw9e6SBhB2EiwA5myr9s3y9maqTkB-1OMinLsGLeK2aMXAp7k0LuVtc0fmoKS9ompKJc9WwxoCaOoQAvD_BwE#
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2022, 05:13:10 pm »
Possibilities: (I have not tried any of these)

Yup. I am likely buying the Pathfinder.
That is Dave Cantebury's stuff... A whole lot of my kit already comes from his site.
https://www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/

Out of all the survival gurus, his way seems most native to me... Hence his gear tends to be right up my alley.
My billy pot, bottle and canteen all come from his site already, as do a lot of my possibles... So if it has a pathfinder tag, I will probably favor it.

But, while I have held the pathfinder skillet in my hand, and know it will do, I am holding off for now, waiting to example others... It is kinda a luxury, as I can do all I need with the bush pot. Still, would be nice to flip up an omelette instead of a hash...



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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2022, 02:35:16 am »
I got the cheaper one in today, have not tried it, just worked on seeing how it was put together and how to use it correctly (hint: put the wood in vertically and light from the top for best burn time). The alcohol burner was useless basically since I have a better version already, but excited to try the wood burn. Well I guess the alcohol bowl could be used as a ash/coal catcher on the bottom if it doesn't interfere with drafting.

@roamer_1 BTW... been excited to try this, ordered the crank charger and looking into the capacitors to make me a crank charger in case things get rough. Check out this video and tell me what you think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrPo6RI2x8
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2022, 11:24:34 am »
I got the cheaper one in today, have not tried it, just worked on seeing how it was put together and how to use it correctly (hint: put the wood in vertically and light from the top for best burn time).

Well that makes me happy! Glad to be of service. And I hope you will let me know how you get on.
YES - You can fill it haphazardly and get a decent burn - but you will have to keep adding to it and messin with it... If you stack it vertically with dry wood, you should approach 1/2 hr of fire without adding anything. That depends on the type of wood - But y'all have hardwoods down there, so you may do even better than I expect.

I don't know if pine is readily available down in there, but if it is in abundance, put a couple pieces of fatwood next to each other  down the center of that thing before you build your starting fire over the top... The fire will light the fatwood, and it will feed between the two pieces and travel to the bottom way faster than otherwise - and you will hit a serious burn faster that way... Certainly a more guaranteed light.

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The alcohol burner was useless basically since I have a better version already, but excited to try the wood burn. Well I guess the alcohol bowl could be used as a ash/coal catcher on the bottom if it doesn't interfere with drafting.

Yeah - not a selling point for me neither... I think it is actually for solidified alcohol or esbit fuel - and I don't think it can be gassifying a real alcohol fire. I think all that is selling a feature that is kinda silly.


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@roamer_1 BTW... been excited to try this, ordered the crank charger and looking into the capacitors to make me a crank charger in case things get rough. Check out this video and tell me what you think.


Well that looks like a fun project, just for giggles anyway. I don't know about the practical use - I just have no experience as such. Doubt it would practically run much, but even as the vid says, if you can get 20 minutes of light from a couple minutes of cranking - That ain't a bad thing - Likewise, if you got an old transistor radio wired to power by usb, I bet you would have radio for a fair time too.

I am similarly involved - converting all I have to USB rechargeable in my go bag - With a brick and solar for it... Though I believe it will take a dang long time to charge that brick with the solar unit I am using...

But the same vision applies. Even if I have to let it charge all day, and come back for it, that is better than no capacity, or batteries that wear out to be discarded. LED and solar have pretty well changed the map for me.

I am similarly outfitting the truck (at MUCH higher capacity) I figure to use a 500Ah battery bank and a couple deep cycle batteries native to the doghouse I am about to build, and at least two 200w solar panels that I will store in plywood cases on top of the thing. Add a suitcase jenny, and shore ability, And I think I can safely rely on having decent power at camp...

Especially since folks are messin with making Starlink portable... Man, I gotta do that! Broadband fifty miles back in the woods, sitting at camp... Would that be crazy or what?

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2022, 03:45:18 pm »
Well that makes me happy! Glad to be of service. And I hope you will let me know how you get on.
YES - You can fill it haphazardly and get a decent burn - but you will have to keep adding to it and messin with it... If you stack it vertically with dry wood, you should approach 1/2 hr of fire without adding anything. That depends on the type of wood - But y'all have hardwoods down there, so you may do even better than I expect.

I don't know if pine is readily available down in there, but if it is in abundance, put a couple pieces of fatwood next to each other  down the center of that thing before you build your starting fire over the top... The fire will light the fatwood, and it will feed between the two pieces and travel to the bottom way faster than otherwise - and you will hit a serious burn faster that way... Certainly a more guaranteed light.

Yeah - not a selling point for me neither... I think it is actually for solidified alcohol or esbit fuel - and I don't think it can be gassifying a real alcohol fire. I think all that is selling a feature that is kinda silly.


Well that looks like a fun project, just for giggles anyway. I don't know about the practical use - I just have no experience as such. Doubt it would practically run much, but even as the vid says, if you can get 20 minutes of light from a couple minutes of cranking - That ain't a bad thing - Likewise, if you got an old transistor radio wired to power by usb, I bet you would have radio for a fair time too.

I am similarly involved - converting all I have to USB rechargeable in my go bag - With a brick and solar for it... Though I believe it will take a dang long time to charge that brick with the solar unit I am using...

But the same vision applies. Even if I have to let it charge all day, and come back for it, that is better than no capacity, or batteries that wear out to be discarded. LED and solar have pretty well changed the map for me.

I am similarly outfitting the truck (at MUCH higher capacity) I figure to use a 500Ah battery bank and a couple deep cycle batteries native to the doghouse I am about to build, and at least two 200w solar panels that I will store in plywood cases on top of the thing. Add a suitcase jenny, and shore ability, And I think I can safely rely on having decent power at camp...

Especially since folks are messin with making Starlink portable... Man, I gotta do that! Broadband fifty miles back in the woods, sitting at camp... Would that be crazy or what?

I was thinking I liked the idea of charging for 20 minutes here and there when I passed it since it can charge for that length of time instead of constantly turning. It does not depend on cloud cover or daylight. It can run something while using it for little effort (up to 20 minutes). Also I am weary of how long solar panels will work (1,2,5 years???).... Who knows when, even if I am dead and gone, my kids and probable wife can still use the generator with capacitors. Basically it is an forever set up that does not depend on batteries (rechargeable) that die in a few years.

The satellite (Starlink) I would think would be a way to trace you... maybe low flying planes pick up the signal or the company becomes compromised and just sends the government the coordinates. I ain't smart enough to know, but bet some suit person is. I just don't trust much.

What I do like about your setup plans it if the solar holds out (and the rechargeable batteries) is that you have a hands free means of power regen. That is priceless.

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  Add a "suitcase jenny", and "shore ability"

Can you elaborate on these terms so I better understand kind sir? I am guessing one of them is the battery that is rechargeable.

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Another question someone passing by this post might elaborate on.... The capacitors in my (actually "his") video are 3v 100F .... I can order cheaper 2.7 volt 100f (need 8 to get his setup) on Amazon... will the slight difference 0.3 volts make much a difference? Hoping it is just a slight difference, but smarter people than me need to chime in for me to be sure.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2022, 07:32:54 pm »
I was thinking I liked the idea of charging for 20 minutes here and there when I passed it since it can charge for that length of time instead of constantly turning. It does not depend on cloud cover or daylight. It can run something while using it for little effort (up to 20 minutes). Also I am weary of how long solar panels will work (1,2,5 years???).... Who knows when, even if I am dead and gone, my kids and probable wife can still use the generator with capacitors. Basically it is an forever set up that does not depend on batteries (rechargeable) that die in a few years.


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I see your point - I see that kinda the same way I see double A batteries right now (and no offense meant). Kinda sufficient, but why, when the new usb rechargeables are so much better? And with crazy recharge rates (something like 3000 recharges till the batt goes bad) Have a rack of replacement batteries laying around and you are talking years and years of capability. So yeah, I could stay with my Double As. For what I do, they are working fine. But the capacity in the usb rechargables are like having 10 DoubleAs - My headlamp would not need recharging for many nights, and would fast-charge easily in a few hours. It's just better, more durable tech.

While the crank jenny has its place (and it does), for me I just need something more robust - Don't get me wrong, I can go old school. Heck, I AM old school. I don't need ANY tech, and if SHTF, the real ultimate end game is cave man. Providing my old bones are up to it, and I can do a bit better than all gimped up (like I am right now), I know how to do cave man. If I am down to hand-cranking LED light, I am really close enough that cave man would be a more legit action. I would go primitive way before that.

As an interim device - say you're out of power because of a tornado or something, and you have a few days to get through, I can see where that hand crank would have utility. So I ain't against it. Heck it would be fun to do, just for the fun of doing it. But for a longer term, I would be more likely to throw all tech away before relying on that level of output. When you are down that far, primitive is likely easier.

What's in my go-bag right now will serve my basic needs in the woods for around three days without charging (that's a subjective number, but still) That's lights, phone, and Garmin (probably - don't have it yet)... AND all I need to do is make camp for a day and lay the solar out, plug in the brick, and that capacity is right back again. Understand: Even in cloudy winter conditions, that solar will charge my brick in a day. When that fails, well then fine. Time to go back to primitive. Not much in between.

And here's the deal(and again, with no offense meant): What's in my go-bag is already more functional power with more longevity than that hand-crank can provide. And I can double my capacity and charging time just by adding another brick. You have me on durability. No doubt. But the capacity alone would make me opt toward bricks and batts.

I don't know the longevity of what I have built  (both go-bag and doghouse). But I am figuring on 3 years or more. Probably more like 5... Less than 10 years most surely... But that's a long time. I can easy get set for primitive existence in less time than that. And face it - If things ain't back to right in 3 years, it ain't coming back.

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The satellite (Starlink) I would think would be a way to trace you... maybe low flying planes pick up the signal or the company becomes compromised and just sends the government the coordinates. I ain't smart enough to know, but bet some suit person is. I just don't trust much.

Yes, I suppose. But do you really think they will be dispatching drones to go after old duffers fifty miles in the woods and causing them no real trouble, or will they be more interested in going after active threats? Either way, if it gets that bad, comms are going down anyway. In the interim, what a luxury to be sitting in camp streaming a movie and texting your kin, from all the way back in the bush, right?

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What I do like about your setup plans it if the solar holds out (and the rechargeable batteries) is that you have a hands free means of power regen. That is priceless.

Yes, and I think that is the tipping point. At some point the castle becomes indefensible - If only because local resources are gone. When you need to hit the trail, which time will come, Having that long term recharging capability in a substantial capacity adds comfort not otherwise available. At the extreme, this system is the most durable and the most portable. Old school would rely on kerosene as an instance... Think of how much kerosene you'd have to pack around to meet the same capacity (say, 3 years, and portable) - it's just not doable.

However, my hybrid plan provides first for the castle, secondly for the truck, and finally for what I can pack on my back - If I can stay in the castle, hurray! But if I can't I can almost as comfortably move to the truck... But sooner or later the gas runs out. Then I am on my hooves. What I am doing best serves all three of those scenarios. And then down to primitive.

But really, all that ain't the point. The point now is comfort and usability in GOOD times. I ain't doing this for SHTF. I am doing this for reliable comforts right now, overlanding, camping, and bushcrafting. Not only will that prove the durability of the idea for when SHTF, in the mean time, it provides a better capacity than I have right now - an improvement in real time. USB rechargeables are BETTER than DoubleAs. Solar capacity, whether the truck or the go-pack is better than not being rechargeable and self-contained. That's the point - It's better anyway, so why not? SHTF is sorta incidental or secondary, see?

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Can you elaborate on these terms so I better understand kind sir? I am guessing one of them is the battery that is rechargeable.


Shore power is just the ability to plug the doghouse in at home or in a campground that provides the service - Not only might it have more capacity on shore power, but it would also provide recharging of the system (in the most efficient way possible).

A Suitcase Jenny is a small generator that you can pack with one hand. Diminutive and easy to store in a glorified topper, but providing enough generating torque to recharge the system if needed on stormy days, or run the show directly.

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Another question someone passing by this post might elaborate on.... The capacitors in my (actually "his") video are 3v 100F .... I can order cheaper 2.7 volt 100f (need 8 to get his setup) on Amazon... will the slight difference 0.3 volts make much a difference? Hoping it is just a slight difference, but smarter people than me need to chime in for me to be sure.

Beyond me.  :shrug:

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2022, 11:53:57 pm »
Well @roamer_1 the youngest son and I sat outside and fired up the new cooker tonight after working on the concrete basketball court we are putting in (not full size, just a backyard family size of 15'X15' so we can share games like tether-ball and Four Square). Just hand pouring it (mixing bags of cement and pouring over broke rock/brick with some metal rods for strength).

Anyhoo, used a stick my kid was waving around for fuel... it wasn't even thumb thick. It filled about half the cavity (I splinter cut a few more sticks from some firewood I had around back). Anyhoo, filled to the top I was impressed, it burned hard for about 20 minutes, was still hot (<1/2 max) at 30 minutes and still producing heat at 40 minutes (enough to keep pan warm). The ash in the pan was next to nothing at 45 minutes and with no drip pan only a few dustings of ash on the ground (we used a cement pad).

Very impressed with the Ohuhu (think that was the name on it).

Also tried out the new capacitor flashlights... Was not really sold on the green light... still not... I puts out max about the light my 1AAA little light does, but it is green. Not sure why they use a green light, but it works enough to see around the house/shed when needed. I can shine it down my dinning room down the hall and see fair enough, but not much further. It ran a good 5 minutes pretty good, ran another 4.5 minutes but was reduced to just enough to read by. They claim 20 minutes on a full charge, but I doubt it unless it is minute.

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2022, 12:29:50 am »
Very impressed with the Ohuhu (think that was the name on it).


@Sighlass

Excellent! Y'all can see I ain't wrong about being able to cook a meal... Even 20 minutes is enough time for that. Where it really shines is in poorer conditions. Providing decent wood, that baby should boil water regardless. And I mean a hard boil.

It will probably do you just fine.

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Also tried out the new capacitor flashlights... Was not really sold on the green light... still not... I puts out max about the light my 1AAA little light does, but it is green. Not sure why they use a green light, but it works enough to see around the house/shed when needed. I can shine it down my dinning room down the hall and see fair enough, but not much further. It ran a good 5 minutes pretty good, ran another 4.5 minutes but was reduced to just enough to read by. They claim 20 minutes on a full charge, but I doubt it unless it is minute.

I will have to roll back my comments a touch. I had one of them crank-up radios a while back... Had a rudimentary (but decent) flashlight on it too... I could wind that puppy up and listen to the radio for about 15 minutes at a time. I carried that thing for a couple years. It was almost good kit. That it stayed in my go-bag that long says something, though eventually I took it back out.

So I don't mean to say such things don't have a place. I did say that they do. But I probably should have emphasized that a bit more.

I did like having the music for company. Maybe I will go looking for a USB charged AM/FM radio again. Wouldn't that be a wonder if such a thing exists?  :laugh: :beer:

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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2022, 12:49:11 am »
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2022, 03:48:15 am »
@roamer_1

Am I correct in assuming your truck is a 4x4 diesel?

If not,why not?
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2022, 04:34:04 am »
@roamer_1

Am I correct in assuming your truck is a 4x4 diesel?

If not,why not?

NOPE. My truck is mostly a 76-79 Chevy half ton 4x4... 3:73's, 350, and 4spd. It's calico colored in typical hillbilly style, but it is lifted 4" , is on 12.50x33s, and runs like a scalded dog.

Suits me fine for now, though I just picked up an 85 1T 4x4 that might become my main rig...

I don't like diesel so much. I am somewhat allergic to diesel smoke (not bad, but bothersome), and while diesel runs good and runs long when it runs, when it don't it will fifteen-hundred-dollar you to death.

I know that 350 chevy up, down, and sideways, and can fix anything on that truck blindfolded in the dark, 30 miles from town. I know I can, I've seen me do it. I don't want nothing else. BUT, Square-bodies are getting hard to get parts for, so I will likely be buying up a few years. Don't want a computerized POS that I can't fix way back in the sticks. You know you can't get a wrecker to go way back off road, not to mention the bill would kill me. So I stay with stuff that is seriously worthy of the bush.
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2022, 08:55:32 am »
NOPE. My truck is mostly a 76-79 Chevy half ton 4x4... 3:73's, 350, and 4spd. It's calico colored in typical hillbilly style, but it is lifted 4" , is on 12.50x33s, and runs like a scalded dog.

Suits me fine for now, though I just picked up an 85 1T 4x4 that might become my main rig...

I don't like diesel so much. I am somewhat allergic to diesel smoke (not bad, but bothersome), and while diesel runs good and runs long when it runs, when it don't it will fifteen-hundred-dollar you to death.

I know that 350 chevy up, down, and sideways, and can fix anything on that truck blindfolded in the dark, 30 miles from town. I know I can, I've seen me do it. I don't want nothing else. BUT, Square-bodies are getting hard to get parts for, so I will likely be buying up a few years. Don't want a computerized POS that I can't fix way back in the sticks. You know you can't get a wrecker to go way back off road, not to mention the bill would kill me. So I stay with stuff that is seriously worthy of the bush.
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Re: Go-Bag: Gassifying twig stove
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2022, 12:59:24 pm »
I don't like diesel so much. I am somewhat allergic to diesel smoke (not bad, but bothersome), and while diesel runs good and runs long when it runs, when it don't it will fifteen-hundred-dollar you to death.

@Smokin Joe

Just the opposite. Diesels last a lot longer than gas engines,and diesel fuel doesn't go "flat" like gasoline fuel,and has no water in it.

Not to mention the fact that there is far less to go wrong,since the ignition system is a fuel pump,glow plugs,and compression.

On top of that,diesels make insane amounts of torque,and the power is down low,which reduces RPM's as well as wear and tear. Not unusual at all to get 400 thousand miles out of a diesel pu.

Mine is an O6 GMC,which was the last year before the ferally-required fuel additives. The new ones won't even start if the additive tank is empty. No smog equipment of any type,and it has 665 foot lbs of torque at less than 4,000 RPM's. I have pulled trailers with loads up to 3 tons cross country with the cruise control engaged,and forget that I have anything behind me.

I have mine for a work truck,not a weekend toy or a show piece and I live in the flatlands,so I went out of my way to find one with 3:73 gears. NOT an easy thing to find. Most seem to have 4:11 or 4:56 gears.

I also hate lift kits,so that was an automatic disqualifier.

I spent a while searching on the web for one that met my requirements,and other than it not being white,the one I bought was perfect. Had something like 95k miles on it. I had to make a 3,000 mile round trip to pick it up and bring it home,but I am glad I did it. No real problem. My car at the time was one of those tiny Chevy panel trucks (HHR?) with the 4 cylinder engine,so I just drove it to buy the GMC Diesel,then rented a trailer to tow it home behind the truck.

Had the truck maybe 8 years now,and people are constantly wanting to buy it from me. Most of them seem to be people with horse trailers. I have been offered a few thousand more than I paid for it 8 years ago because a new one now with all the smog control and fuel additive starts at about 60 grand.

Spending 60 grand or more on a pu truck is ok if it is essential to your work/business,but to ME,that seems like a hell of a lot of money to spend on a truck you mostly use on weekends.

If *I* spend 60 grand on a vehicle just to ride in,it is likely to be a Porsche.

BTW,from what I understand,the new diesel pu's all now make more than 1,000 ft lbs of torque! Even as much as I LOVE massive amounts of torque,I just don't see me spending that kind of money on a truck to ride around in.

BTW,I didn't like diesel pu's either,until one time my gas pu was down for some reason,and I borrowed a friends 1 ton diesel pu to make a 3,000+ mile round trip to pulling an equipment trailer to pick up a 1939 IHC "art deco" pu I had bought.

I knew I just HAD to have a diesel pu before I even got halfway there. Now the guy that lent me his diesel pu is offering me cash in advance to put him at the front of the line to buy mine when I put it up for sale. He is retired now from his big rock statue business,and just can't justify spending 60+ grand on a new pu.

He now builds guns instead of statues. He had never even shot a gun before he met me,and once I exposed them to him,he liked them so much he asked me to teach him gunsmithing. He is now a federally-licensed gun manufacturer.
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