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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2022, 01:29:42 pm »
It will last a LOT longer than I do

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Yeah... Two different things. Longevity of the single use versus a longevity defined by a near inexhaustible ability to rebuild and repair...

New cars go three times as far... But then they are discarded. Can't be rebuilt.

That ol 79 of mine has gone a whole lot further. Easy half a million miles - Been rebuilt for so long that mileage ceased to be a factor. Heck, even it's year isn't real. There's parts on it from the sixties clean through the eighties.

The longevity that matters in the latter.
But the former has become endemic.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2022, 01:32:22 pm »
:beer:

An inventor could 'rescue' the American public by re-introducing the 60's and 70's tech for automobiles.   :shrug:

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Won't work. All the stuff that kills their fuel mileage as well as their longevity is mandated by the feral goobermint.

Truth to tell,I fully expect them to pass a federal law forcing trucks like my GMC diesel off the road because they don't have any of that crap,and last for 300 to 400 thousand miles before they start giving you trouble. Mine is even the last year of the genuine Allison automatic transmission in GM trucks,so not even that will go bad.

I looked around hard to find a truck with the exact specifics I wanted,and even then couldn't find a white one,so mine is some sort of green or gray. Not sure which. Not good with colors.

Even then I had to drive 2000 miles to pick it up and drive it home. I rented a trailer to tow the Chev HHR I drove to buy it back home.

I paid 19 grand for it used with 95K miles on it,and can sell it any time I want for at least 5 grand more than I paid for it because a new one that requires the special fuel additive to run and has all that smog equipment is over 70 grand. Seriously.

That is a LOT of money for people to spend for a truck to do stuff like haul their horse trailers on weekends. Yeah,I see people driving the new ones around all the time that just use them for transportation and don't even have receiver hitches on them,but honestly don't know how they can justify spending that kind of money for something they don't really need that loses value every year even if you don't use it.

Hell,I even sold my 4 year old Chevy 4x4 crew cab pu for more than I paid for it a few months ago,and could have gotten more out of it but I sold it to a woman who has been a good friend of mine for years,and could afford to give her a break on the price. I WOULD say she qualifies as "Family",but don't want to slur her.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2022, 01:37:23 pm »
There's parts on it from the sixties clean through the eighties.


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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2022, 01:38:19 pm »
Won't work. All the stuff that kills their fuel mileage as well as their longevity is mandated by the feral goobermint.


Back in the day we built a 66 chevelle. Pretty hot little 300 horse 327, a Borg Warner 3 and over, with 3.08 posi.
Peppy. No smog crap. All old school.

And it got mileage comparable to modern cars. Over 25mpg on the highway. Sometimes closer to 30.

Too bad most of those parts can't be had these days.

Modern cars are not about mileage. They are about control.


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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2022, 01:43:17 pm »
VW recalled them and I bought the Passat.

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I had a new Passant back in the 90's. Probably had the most comfortable leather bucket seats I ever sat in,and was crazy fast. Didn't take long to learn that if I wanted to pass the car in front of me,I needed to get in the left lane before I kicked in passing gear.

Decided to sell it when the dirt road leading to my house started flooding to the point water would have came into it if I tried to drive it somewhere,so I traded it in for a half-ton GMC Canyon pu. BAD move. Didn't have the power of a weak fart,and rode bad on top of it. Kept it maybe 6 months,and traded it in on a boxy Nissan 4 door that did have the ground clearance I needed. Kept that one a couple of years and then traded it in on something I can't remember. It was slightly more than adequate in every way,but great at nothing other than road clearance and load room. Can't remember the model name and Nissan no longer sells them.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2022, 01:49:24 pm »
A pickup without a stick is a waste of time.

Not altogether - Auto is nice on mountain roads for switching gears without losing power to the train... But I will always take a stick if I have the choice.

And a Muncie 465 costs hardly nothing to rebuild - IF you ever have to rebuild it ever (other than brass of course). You can't even give a new tranny the stink eye without it costing fifteen hundred bucks.

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Not really. Auto transmissions work a LOT better in slippery conditions,or in the mud and snow. I grew up learning how to drive on sand dunes and beaches,and the "beaters" we used to buy for nothing money or that were given to us to haul them off that had auto transmissions got stuck a LOT less,and were easier to drive out of holes without spinning the tires.

Not spinning the tires is the key to everything when it comes to not getting stuck,or pulling out of a hole.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2022, 01:52:43 pm »
I don’t know about better, but a car from the 40s, 50s and 60s were sexier than todays cookie cutter car styles.


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You just THINK you are ready for flying cars.

Stop for a minute and think about the horrible driving skills and lack of attention you see in your fellow drivers. Do you REALLY want them flying around,where they can come at you from above and below,as well as front,rear,and side?
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2022, 01:55:25 pm »
@roamer_1

Not really. Auto transmissions work a LOT better in slippery conditions,or in the mud and snow. I grew up learning how to drive on sand dunes and beaches,and the "beaters" we used to buy for nothing money or that were given to us to haul them off that had auto transmissions got stuck a LOT less,and were easier to drive out of holes without spinning the tires.

Not spinning the tires is the key to everything when it comes to not getting stuck,or pulling out of a hole.

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True for the uninitiated. I even admitted as much in that an auto is better coming down icy mountain roads = But only minimally... I can drive a stick just fine in mud and snow, and every other dang thing.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2022, 02:12:59 pm »
@Gefn

You just THINK you are ready for flying cars.

Stop for a minute and think about the horrible driving skills and lack of attention you see in your fellow drivers. Do you REALLY want them flying around,where they can come at you from above and below,as well as front,rear,and side?


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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2022, 02:14:55 pm »
Back in the day we built a 66 chevelle. Pretty hot little 300 horse 327, a Borg Warner 3 and over, with 3.08 posi.
Peppy. No smog crap. All old school.

And it got mileage comparable to modern cars. Over 25mpg on the highway. Sometimes closer to 30.

Too bad most of those parts can't be had these days.

Modern cars are not about mileage. They are about control.

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Yup!

When I came back to Bragg from Okinawa in 1968,I had plans to volunteer for VN so I  could get back to Okie after that tour. NOBODY sane wanted to stay at Bragg. Hell,I was so sure I would be going back to Okie that I left my new Triumph Bonneville and my Ducati flat track racer with a friend there to keep for me.

Anyhow,knowing I was only going to be there a few months,I didn't want to spend a lot of money on a car,so I bought a 60 Ford 2dr sedan with a 292,straight stick,radio,and heater. Car ran like a top and got 20-22 mpg on the highway,but nobody wanted a cheap car back then without options,so it went cheap. When I got back from VN,I traded it in (gave it away) to the local Ford dealer for a red 428 Torino Cobra Jet. Even that got pretty good highway mileage,but it would flat FLY. Cost a ton of money to get a tune up,though. The dealer had to remove the PS pump ,the bolts in the engine mounts,and then jack it up to get to 2 spark plugs to change them,and the tuneups didn't last long in the stop and go Bragg traffic,so I traded it in on a new Toyota Corolla. Got GREAT gas mileage,was as reliable as a rock,and I usually made enough money bracket racing it at the Fayetteville drag strip to make the payments.

 
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2022, 05:08:35 am »
Back in the day we built a 66 chevelle. Pretty hot little 300 horse 327, a Borg Warner 3 and over, with 3.08 posi.
Peppy. No smog crap. All old school.

And it got mileage comparable to modern cars. Over 25mpg on the highway. Sometimes closer to 30.

Too bad most of those parts can't be had these days.

Modern cars are not about mileage. They are about control.
:bingo:

All of mine lack onstar setups, GPS, or any of the myriad sensors that allow control. Granted, everything I have that is TBI or Fuel injected has a puter, and those could be shut down (in person) with some of the gee whiz stuff out there, but they can't be hacked from a remote location (by VIN) as I suspect others can.

The oldest don't have computers at all, and that is likely what will get me by if the SHTF.
While mileage will be important, to some extent, the invisibility will be more so.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2022, 06:18:25 am »
   I was a fanatical hot rodder in the 70's, had to constantly be upgrading my ride. But, I'm much older now. I have grown to love the luxury of not having to hold in the clutch at every intersection, of nice cool air on a hot day. Cruise control, hell yea. No more fiddling with a screwed up carb, fuel injection all the way. Disk brakes all around, big plus to me. Yea, I've gotten lazy in my old age, but I just can't wrench like I could once.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2022, 09:29:44 am »
:bingo:

All of mine lack onstar setups, GPS, or any of the myriad sensors that allow control. Granted, everything I have that is TBI or Fuel injected has a puter, and those could be shut down (in person) with some of the gee whiz stuff out there, but they can't be hacked from a remote location (by VIN) as I suspect others can.

The oldest don't have computers at all, and that is likely what will get me by if the SHTF.
While mileage will be important, to some extent, the invisibility will be more so.

I will ALWAYS have an analog mountain truck... Even if I have to go to something newer and convert it back to analog... For the reason you gave, but also just for the necessity - Anything other than what is fatal anyway, I can fix in the sticks with tools onboard and parts onboard... And I have done exactly that more than once.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2022, 10:03:55 am »
I will never get rid of my 53 Willys Jeep with its 350 and my 56 Chevy 3/4 ton straight 6. I just now need to breathe new life into the 75 454 Vette I'm storing for my son.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2022, 10:39:09 am »
. Yea, I've gotten lazy in my old age, but I just can't wrench like I could once.

The simple task of a DIY Oil and filter change takes me two days to recover anymore..  The grunts and groans coming from under the car are loud enough that the neighbors come over and ask me If they should call 911. 
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2022, 10:46:03 am »
I will never get rid of my 53 Willys Jeep with its 350 and my 56 Chevy 3/4 ton straight 6. I just now need to breathe new life into the 75 454 Vette I'm storing for my son.

That would be a fun project.  :beer:

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« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2022, 01:32:34 pm »
There are to indisputable facts that favor the cars from "the old days".

Anybody with little more than a basic understand of mechanics could generally repair whatever went wrong with them himself,and if he didn't know enough or have the tools,he usually had a neighbor that did and would be happy to help him  out.

If something major went wrong the typical home mechanic wasn't equipped or capable of fixing in the driveway,like a blown engine or transmission,there were plenty of junk yard around with modern wrecks they could buy the engines or transmissions from,and then do the swap the next weekend,right in their driveway.

Most of the people I know that used to work on their cars are bewildered when they raise the hood of a new one and see all the hoses and wires running all over the place,and realize they can't even SEE the engine.

This includes me. I used to build cars from the ground up,and now I just take them to a pro shop when something needs to be done. It's cheaper to do that than it is to buy all the specialty tools and test equipment needed to repair the new ones.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2022, 02:22:55 pm »
There are to indisputable facts that favor the cars from "the old days".

Anybody with little more than a basic understand of mechanics could generally repair whatever went wrong with them himself,and if he didn't know enough or have the tools,he usually had a neighbor that did and would be happy to help him  out.

If something major went wrong the typical home mechanic wasn't equipped or capable of fixing in the driveway,like a blown engine or transmission,there were plenty of junk yard around with modern wrecks they could buy the engines or transmissions from,and then do the swap the next weekend,right in their driveway.

Most of the people I know that used to work on their cars are bewildered when they raise the hood of a new one and see all the hoses and wires running all over the place,and realize they can't even SEE the engine.

This includes me. I used to build cars from the ground up,and now I just take them to a pro shop when something needs to be done. It's cheaper to do that than it is to buy all the specialty tools and test equipment needed to repair the new ones.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2022, 03:06:25 pm »
I still try my best to do all my maintenance. The worst problem I've come across was with a 2001 CRV we picked up a few years ago. It was fine for a year and then it went spastic oscillating idle all over the place and throwing a code. I replaced the idle air control valve. No luck. And I checked everything pointed to online. Since I still had the old IACV I decided to try instead of a computer controlled valve, to replace it with a fixed air bypass orifice. So I ripped the guts out of the old valve and threaded one of the ports for an orifice. I started out with a homemade 1/8 in orifice. It immediately threw a code. I then realized it was expecting to communicate with the dang valve. So I plugged in the new valve I had bought and just hung it from the firewall. It ran fine but still threw a code. I opened up the orifice to 9/64. Bingo! No more code. Runs fine. Been driving it that way ever since.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2022, 05:03:07 pm »
There are to indisputable facts that favor the cars from "the old days".

Anybody with little more than a basic understand of mechanics could generally repair whatever went wrong with them himself,and if he didn't know enough or have the tools,he usually had a neighbor that did and would be happy to help him  out.

If something major went wrong the typical home mechanic wasn't equipped or capable of fixing in the driveway,like a blown engine or transmission,there were plenty of junk yard around with modern wrecks they could buy the engines or transmissions from,and then do the swap the next weekend,right in their driveway.

Most of the people I know that used to work on their cars are bewildered when they raise the hood of a new one and see all the hoses and wires running all over the place,and realize they can't even SEE the engine.

This includes me. I used to build cars from the ground up,and now I just take them to a pro shop when something needs to be done. It's cheaper to do that than it is to buy all the specialty tools and test equipment needed to repair the new ones.

I'll turn that around from the other direction a bit @sneakypete ...
I am more a tinker than a mechanic - I fix everything/anything. I especially like fixing weird things no one else would think to mess with. I love fixing smalls... Picking up some old piece of junk at some garage sale and bringing it back to its former working order... An old personal desk fan from the 50s, a jukebox, some ancient farm implement or tool... weird and wider ranging than your average mechanic.

In the course of such a thing, I have a tendency to orient toward folks of a kindred spirit in various fields of endeavor. I have a fair finger on the pulse of such folks.

And I can tell you, it is a dying art. Back when Hector was a pup, it was not uncommon to find a master working out of a fully outfitted shop in some 2 car garage. It was common to find such people. And they were good, seat-of-the-pants folks with an inherent knowledge and a raft of Snap-on or other fine tools in neat rows in multiple cabinets.

Those folks are not represented in society anymore.There are no young kids coming up with that in their blood. My younger son is one such, and he is very rare today. And it is a crying shame.

Back in the day, nearly every guy I knew had a side-hustle that was a labor of love - A shade tree mechanic, a back alley computer guy, some dude that just liked building and fixing go-carts and mini bikes... Anything and everything could be found in those garages out of the way of main street, and all it would take to tap that expertise was showing up with a friendly camaraderie, something to offer in the way of your own ability or specialty, and a cold pack of beer.

Such a far flung wealth of real world knowledge and it is nearly gone. Most kids today can't fix a damn thing they use, and don't have that inbuilt compass leading them to something they love to do. And that is just awful.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2022, 05:27:43 pm »
I'll turn that around from the other direction a bit @sneakypete ...
I am more a tinker than a mechanic - I fix everything/anything. I especially like fixing weird things no one else would think to mess with. I love fixing smalls... Picking up some old piece of junk at some garage sale and bringing it back to its former working order... An old personal desk fan from the 50s, a jukebox, some ancient farm implement or tool... weird and wider ranging than your average mechanic.

In the course of such a thing, I have a tendency to orient toward folks of a kindred spirit in various fields of endeavor. I have a fair finger on the pulse of such folks.

And I can tell you, it is a dying art. Back when Hector was a pup, it was not uncommon to find a master working out of a fully outfitted shop in some 2 car garage. It was common to find such people. And they were good, seat-of-the-pants folks with an inherent knowledge and a raft of Snap-on or other fine tools in neat rows in multiple cabinets.

Those folks are not represented in society anymore.There are no young kids coming up with that in their blood. My younger son is one such, and he is very rare today. And it is a crying shame.

Back in the day, nearly every guy I knew had a side-hustle that was a labor of love - A shade tree mechanic, a back alley computer guy, some dude that just liked building and fixing go-carts and mini bikes... Anything and everything could be found in those garages out of the way of main street, and all it would take to tap that expertise was showing up with a friendly camaraderie, something to offer in the way of your own ability or specialty, and a cold pack of beer.

Such a far flung wealth of real world knowledge and it is nearly gone. Most kids today can't fix a damn thing they use, and don't have that inbuilt compass leading them to something they love to do. And that is just awful.

I think that is partly due to highly specialized electronics/hardware that is designed for a very specific function where you cannot "see" what's going on inside anymore. It is all buried in a chip or other mechanical device that really can't be taken apart and examined to see how it works in detail. When I grew up you could take apart and see how just about anything worked. You could also take those components and repurpose them to do something entirely different. In electronics that is long gone. It may be deadly to the future.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2022, 05:51:14 pm »
Anybody that purchases an automobile that can be immediately rendered useless by a 3rd party is nuckin' futz!

"But we can stop/find your car if it's stolen"....no thank you, unless I am the one doing the disabling from my phone.



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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2022, 06:25:27 pm »
My memory of my parents cars in the '60's was that 65K miles was about the shelf life, before it became a garage renter. 

OTOH, back when I had to drive to work, I ran up as much as 240K miles on one vehichle over 12 yrs, with, no major repairs.
Have had two Toyotas that did that.  Both manufactured and assembled in Japan.  Camry and 4Runner.

Was yours a Toyota as well?
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2022, 06:34:51 pm »
Have had two Toyotas that did that.  Both manufactured and assembled in Japan.  Camry and 4Runner.

Was yours a Toyota as well?

We had a Toyota Highlander Hybrid that made it to about 240,000 miles without replacing the battery. At around 200,000 miles it did have a motor controller failure but if I remember correctly it was a recalled device and it didn't cost us much to get it replaced.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #75 on: April 02, 2022, 07:01:08 pm »
I think that is partly due to highly specialized electronics/hardware that is designed for a very specific function where you cannot "see" what's going on inside anymore. It is all buried in a chip or other mechanical device that really can't be taken apart and examined to see how it works in detail. When I grew up you could take apart and see how just about anything worked. You could also take those components and repurpose them to do something entirely different. In electronics that is long gone. It may be deadly to the future.

That's probably right  -- But one would think it would spawn a generation of tinkers that get into those chips and decompile software... But it really didn't go that way - It is probably the boards more than the chips. Too hard to reproduce or repair the infrastructure around the chips. And since most control is now dedicated to those boards, trying to remake the machine and bypass the controls, replacing them with something analog just ain't worth the time. Largely as a part of planned obsolescence - Even if you did replace the control system, the rest of the machine is probably of limited value because it is designed to last no longer than the board that runs it.

Washing machines are a good example - Most of them these days are computer controlled, and it is hard to get around the electronics... and even if you do, what do you get? Maybe a year or two more service before the transmission explodes and renders the machine useless anyway... Like the 90s and up cars I mentioned upthread - Not really worth the cost of restoration.

It's a terrible thing though.
I can't imagine my life without tools in my hand. How these young folks cope with that is beyond my ken.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #76 on: April 02, 2022, 07:57:21 pm »
My memory of my parents cars in the '60's was that 65K miles was about the shelf life, before it became a garage renter. 

 

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I suspect most of that was due to the oil people used in the "then new" cars and trucks. Some people just won't ask or listen if you try to tell them,and would use absolute crap like the old Quaker State 30 wt NON-DETERGENT oil in the newer cars with hydraulic lifters. I remember removing the  valve covers from a 66 283 Chevrolet when I was a kid working in a gas station to adjust the valves to quiet them down and remove the miss,and when I took them off I literally couldn't even see them for all the caked on "gunk".

On the other hand,my father,who was NOT known to adopt to new ideas quickly,for some reason didn't use anything but Mobile "Gold" high detergent in the new pink and white 55 Ford Victoria he bought new,and that car had 225 thousand miles on it when he traded it in because he needed a truck. Yeah,it was burning a little bit of oil,but nothing to worry about.

In that 225,000  miles ALL he did to it was change the oil and filter every 3,000 miles,and replace 1 water pump,plus plugs and points when needed.

The same with the Ford pu he bought to replace the Vicky and the next Ford pu he bought to replace the first one. The second one started getting a little shakey after around 125,000 miles because his mind was getting shaky then,and he started swearing "You should get 100,000 miles out of a tune up and oil change." He wouldn't listen to any argument about it,either.

I kept him going by getting a spare set of keys cut,and waiting until he parked his truck by the dock while he was out fishing over his nets,and then slipping up there and changing the oil and filter,and plugs and points for him. Never did tell him I was doing that,despite him telling me I was foolish to keep changing the oil and filter in my car so often,as well as the plugs and points.

My mother knew what I was doing,but she never whispered a word about it,either. She knew he was hardheaded before I even came into the world,so it didn't surprise her at all.

I have no idea why I started doing that. When I was a kid growing up I used to keep asking him to teach me what he was doing when he was working on his car,sharpening his tools,etc,etc,etc,and he kept refusing by telling me "You are too stupid to learn,so go away!"  I would normally rub it in people's faces in circumstances like this,but AFAIK,he went to his grave thinking his trucks just kept running good and never needed tuneups or oil changes.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #77 on: April 02, 2022, 08:01:44 pm »
:beer:

An inventor could 'rescue' the American public by re-introducing the 60's and 70's tech for automobiles.   :shrug:

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The EPA would never allow it.

It is only a matter of time before it becomes illegal to operate any motor vehicle on the highway over 10 years old,regardless of it's condition.

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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #78 on: April 02, 2022, 08:03:28 pm »
MOST of the longevity comes from engineered oil. If I fill a 70's rig with synthetics it will easy go 150 or 200k without a problem. And probably more.

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Yup,if you also add quality oil and air filters.
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« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2022, 08:06:54 pm »
Hard to find in anything but a high end sports car now.

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I ran into a old black man today that was a friend of my fathers at the local grocery store. He and I talked for a short period while standing in line,and when I went out to the parking lot to leave,he was backing out in his new Mustang GT convertible,with duals,a lopey cam,and stick shift. He told me in the store he is now 81 years old.

He still works,too. Drives a tractor in season for local farmers,and does a little of this and that the rest of the time to keep busy.
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Re: Do You Think Cars Were Built Better in the "Old Days"?
« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2022, 08:42:22 pm »
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I suspect most of that was due to the oil people used in the "then new" cars and trucks. Some people just won't ask or listen if you try to tell them,and would use absolute crap like the old Quaker State 30 wt NON-DETERGENT oil in the newer cars with hydraulic lifters. I remember removing the  valve covers from a 66 283 Chevrolet when I was a kid working in a gas station to adjust the valves to quiet them down and remove the miss,and when I took them off I literally couldn't even see them for all the caked on "gunk".

On the other hand,my father,who was NOT known to adopt to new ideas quickly,for some reason didn't use anything but Mobile "Gold" high detergent in the new pink and white 55 Ford Victoria he bought new,and that car had 225 thousand miles on it when he traded it in because he needed a truck. Yeah,it was burning a little bit of oil,but nothing to worry about.

In that 225,000  miles ALL he did to it was change the oil and filter every 3,000 miles,and replace 1 water pump,plus plugs and points when needed.

The same with the Ford pu he bought to replace the Vicky and the next Ford pu he bought to replace the first one. The second one started getting a little shakey after around 125,000 miles because his mind was getting shaky then,and he started swearing "You should get 100,000 miles out of a tune up and oil change." He wouldn't listen to any argument about it,either.

I kept him going by getting a spare set of keys cut,and waiting until he parked his truck by the dock while he was out fishing over his nets,and then slipping up there and changing the oil and filter,and plugs and points for him. Never did tell him I was doing that,despite him telling me I was foolish to keep changing the oil and filter in my car so often,as well as the plugs and points.

My mother knew what I was doing,but she never whispered a word about it,either. She knew he was hardheaded before I even came into the world,so it didn't surprise her at all.

I have no idea why I started doing that. When I was a kid growing up I used to keep asking him to teach me what he was doing when he was working on his car,sharpening his tools,etc,etc,etc,and he kept refusing by telling me "You are too stupid to learn,so go away!"  I would normally rub it in people's faces in circumstances like this,but AFAIK,he went to his grave thinking his trucks just kept running good and never needed tuneups or oil changes.
Great story.  Yur dad was someone you were obviously proud of, and you made your mother proud.

My dad was a different story.  He taught me auto skills with the rule of hard knocks.
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First car was a '52 Buick Special with a straight 8, manual shift on the wheel.  Cost him $35 which I had to pay him back.

First time it needed an oil change, he told me to make sure I changed the filter.  I looked all over and under that engine for 20 minutes and finally went to tell him I could not find the filter.  He rared back laughing and told me it was an option on that model year.

Taught me to find out before I tackle a job.  To this day, my biggest beef is wasting needless time on anything.
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« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2022, 09:32:50 pm »
Great story.  Yur dad was someone you were obviously proud of, and you made your mother proud.

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Up until I was around 8 years old or so,and he told me to make sure I did good in school because I was out of the house on my 18th birthday,and on my own.

He word was good,too. He signed for me to join the army on my 17th birthday,and when I came home after basic training,it was like I had never even existed. Not a single book,magazine,toy,tool,or even piece of clothing was in my former room. All thrown away,just like I never existed. He and my mother (BTW,I was taken in and "raised" by them. They didn't even bother to adopt me.) liked small,dependent children,and had no use or patience with children who got bigger and started to ask questions they didn't know the answers to. I basically raised myself from around age 8 up.

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My dad was a different story.  He taught me auto skills with the rule of hard knocks.
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First car was a '52 Buick Special with a straight 8, manual shift on the wheel.  Cost him $35 which I had to pay him back.

You did better than me. My first two cars,a 1938 Chrysler that ran and drove perfectly that I bought for something like $35,and a 1940 Ford tudor I bought for $100 with money I earned hitch hiking to summer construction jobs were sold to people that stopped by asking if they were for sale while I was at school. When I came home and saw the 40 Ford missing and got pissed,his response was "My yard,my cars." When I came home and discovered he had cut the body off the Chrysler so he could haul lumber off the beach after a storm,it was the same story. He later sold the 38 Chrysler for 100 bucks to somebody wanting a "beach buggy",and kept that money,too.

AND......,he wouldn't even give me a ride 7 miles out to the main highway where I could hitchhike to the movie  over 20 miles away. Lots of times I had to sleep on the beach at night after going out because there was no traffic at night,and then hitchhike back home in the mornings. This was in the summer,of course. I didn't go anywhere in the winter.

And this was the SOB that wouldn't even give me a ride to work when he went to work in the mornings.



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First time it needed an oil change, he told me to make sure I changed the filter.  I looked all over and under that engine for 20 minutes and finally went to tell him I could not find the filter.  He rared back laughing and told me it was an option on that model year.

Well,at least he had a sense of humor. Sorta.

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Taught me to find out before I tackle a job.  To this day, my biggest beef is wasting needless time on anything.

Mine never taught me anything. When I was still young enough to ask,he would just tell me to go away because I was "too stupid to learn anything."

On the positive side,I grew up with few illusions and with an independent state of mind.
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« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2022, 09:38:25 pm »
Have had two Toyotas that did that.  Both manufactured and assembled in Japan.  Camry and 4Runner.

Was yours a Toyota as well?

I had a 1986 SAAB 900S that was a mechanical marvel.  I put 336K miles on that car with only routine maintence (tires, belts, and a few sets of spark plugs and wires).  It still ran like a top when I sold to my BIL because my wife convinced me that he needed it worse than I did. Without question the best automobile I've ever owned mechanically.  And it was damned comfortable as well.
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« Reply #83 on: April 02, 2022, 09:43:33 pm »
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When I bought my 53 Willys Jeep it had already been converted to small block Chevy and had a froze up 283 in it. It had sat in a coworker's next door neighbor's back yard for 10 years. It had a hood scoop that let rain water find its way into the engine thru the air cleaner. Another coworker gave me a good deal on his truck's old 350 engine as he just put a crate motor in it. Well he said it was in good shape, so I swapped it into my jeep and started driving it to work. I discovered right off that it was going thru 2 quarts of oil every day. So as soon as I could I tore into it and discovered that every oil ring was frozen down in its groove. I have no idea what he was running in that poor motor. So I did a ring and bearing job on it and over 35 years later its still running fine in my jeep.

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« Reply #84 on: April 03, 2022, 06:28:36 am »
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The EPA would never allow it.

It is only a matter of time before it becomes illegal to operate any motor vehicle on the highway over 10 years old,regardless of it's condition.

The left HATES privately-owned vehicles because they represent individual freedoms,and the one thing that makes their heads explode is individuality. If they had their way,we would all be running around dress like Comrade Mao. Not THEM of course,but us.

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LOL!  I think the same day I posted that, the "EPA" or some agency raised the MPG minimum to something like 46 miles per gallon.

In order to reach that number, everything other than the engine and drive-train will have to be made out of compressed marshmallows or paper mache.
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« Reply #85 on: April 03, 2022, 06:33:36 am »
I had a 1986 SAAB 900S that was a mechanical marvel.  I put 336K miles on that car with only routine maintence (tires, belts, and a few sets of spark plugs and wires).  It still ran like a top when I sold to my BIL because my wife convinced me that he needed it worse than I did. Without question the best automobile I've ever owned mechanically.  And it was damned comfortable as well.

Wow!

My BIL owned a beautiful 86 Saab 900S...white...which he cursed every Summer because it didn't have air-conditioning.  :laugh:

But I'll say this... the seats in the Saab were the most comfortable in any car I've experienced.  Company made them for airplanes too.
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« Reply #86 on: April 03, 2022, 10:25:57 am »
Wow!

My BIL owned a beautiful 86 Saab 900S...white...which he cursed every Summer because it didn't have air-conditioning.  :laugh:

But I'll say this... the seats in the Saab were the most comfortable in any car I've experienced.  Company made them for airplanes too.

The only other thing SAAB did back then was build jet fighter aircraft for NATO and it showed! @DCPatriot

Nowadays SAAB is owned by Ford Motors and the cars show that as well.

The ONLY real problem I ever had with that car was that the factory headliner came loose at about 30K miles SAAB tried to fix it but no.  MY upholstery guy did and it stayed fixed.  Mine looked exactly like the one in the photo below


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The only other thing SAAB did back then was build jet fighter aircraft for NATO and it showed! @DCPatriot

Nowadays SAAB is owned by Ford Motors and the cars show that as well.

The ONLY real problem I ever had with that car was that the factory headliner came loose at about 30K miles SAAB tried to fix it but no.  MY upholstery guy did and it stayed fixed.  Mine looked exactly like the one in the photo below




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« Reply #88 on: April 03, 2022, 01:22:52 pm »
I never liked Mopar.  :shrug:
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« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2022, 06:51:26 pm »
I had a 1986 SAAB 900S that was a mechanical marvel.  I put 336K miles on that car with only routine maintence (tires, belts, and a few sets of spark plugs and wires).  It still ran like a top when I sold to my BIL because my wife convinced me that he needed it worse than I did. Without question the best automobile I've ever owned mechanically.  And it was damned comfortable as well.
My roommate in college had a new '72 Saab that I attest was a great car,  Manual on the wheel, front wheel drive.  Cheap on fuel and had more power than one would think out of a 4 cyl.

He pulled a 14' boat with a 40 hp Johnson in it that we took to go skiing.  That front wheel drive made it easy to pull the boat out of the water on the boatramp on Lake Austin.

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