Democrats Pass $1.5 Trillion Omnibus Spending Bill After Democrat Disarray

[sneakypete]

The RINOs that enable the DCP to pass their socialist agenda are to blame.

@Killer Clouds

Correction,the fools that VOTE for the RINO's are the problem.  RINO's are like any other disease,they do what they were "born" to do,but are harmless if you don't allow them an opening.

It is the enablers that provide both the RINO's and the more traditional "diseases" to take hold and cause the damage and deaths.

[sneakypete]

Ok, showing up and voting none of the above amounts to the same thing.

 

@roamer_1   @IsailedawayfromFR

I disagree. NOT voting AGAINST the candidate you consider to be the most dangerous to the American way of life is,IN EFFECT,the same as voting FOR him or her because you had a CHANCE to try and put them out of office,and couldn't be bothered.

We need to vote the professional leftists out of office first,and THEN vote the RINO's out. I suspect most would see the writing on the wall if the anti-Dim tidal wave created a mass loss of Dim seats,and retire to avoid going out of office as losers.

After all,which statement would YOU rather make,"I decided to not run/resign my seat in Congress,the Senate in order return home and take over the family business/help care for a sick spouse/child,chicken farm,whatever",or "I got beat and since I no longer had any influence I couldn't get a board seat in DC,so I decided to come back home and reopen the family chicken farm"?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1   @IsailedawayfromFR

I disagree. NOT voting AGAINST the candidate you consider to be the most dangerous to the American way of life is,IN EFFECT,the same as voting FOR him or her because you had a CHANCE to try and put them out of office,and couldn't be bothered.

I will adamantly disagree @sneakypete - And after all, the customer is always right.

Voting AGAINST is a literal fallacy. Your vote can only be a positive endorsement.
You can say you are voting against Democrats, but in reality, when you cast your vote for a Republican whose last go around cost twenty friggin trillion dollars (8T of which is funny money) you are casting your endorsement upon the Republican. You are voting FOR the Republican and all that he stands for.

That ludicrous voting against Democrats is precisely what gives you so many RINOs.
And the RINOs are the wedge. You can do nothing when Democrats are in power - And because of RINOs, you can do nothing when Republicans are in power either.

But you keep on buying what the RINOs are selling, in fear of Democrats - Which tells the RINOs they are over the target which brings more RINOs

And Conservatism languishes. And always will. Because y'all don't actually vote FOR what you purport to stand upon.

None for me thanks. I don't want what the Republicans are selling these days... And I ain't alone.

[Killer Clouds]

@Killer Clouds

Correction,the fools that VOTE for the RINO's are the problem.  RINO's are like any other disease,they do what they were "born" to do,but are harmless if you don't allow them an opening.

It is the enablers that provide both the RINO's and the more traditional "diseases" to take hold and cause the damage and deaths.

@sneakypete
Agreed. Sometimes these RINOs don't show their cards right away unfortunately. Being a good liar is the first prerequisite to be a politician.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Being a good liar is the first prerequisite to be a politician.

@Killer Clouds

It is as basic as a pulse.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The RINOs that enable the DCP to pass their socialist agenda are to blame.

Equal culpability exists for all those who vote the progressive cause.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@roamer_1   @IsailedawayfromFR

I disagree. NOT voting AGAINST the candidate you consider to be the most dangerous to the American way of life is,IN EFFECT,the same as voting FOR him or her because you had a CHANCE to try and put them out of office,and couldn't be bothered.

I strongly agree with that sentiment.

Not to vote is basically giving up.  If everyone did that, we would all be slaves and the Constitution is worthless if it is not used to protect our freedoms.

[roamer_1]

I strongly agree with that sentiment.

Not to vote is basically giving up.  If everyone did that, we would all be slaves and the Constitution is worthless if it is not used to protect our freedoms.

So keep voting for what you don't want to avoid what you don't want more?

There is no profit in that.

[sneakypete]

So keep voting for what you don't want to avoid what you don't want more?

There is no profit in that.

@roamer_1

Yeah,there is,but you just don't want to see it because it disagrees with your nature.

We are ACTIVELY taking part in trying to make sure the candidates we see as the biggest threats to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are never seated.

This is a POSITIVE thing to do,not a negative thing.

Or,a passive thing,such as what you and some others do. Yeah,you might like to pat yourself on the back and say "I didn't vote for that SOB",but you can NOT make the claim that you did everything you could do within your power to legally keep them from holding office.

I CAN make that claim.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Yeah,there is,but you just don't want to see it because it disagrees with your nature.

We are ACTIVELY taking part in trying to make sure the candidates we see as the biggest threats to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are never seated.

This is a POSITIVE thing to do,not a negative thing.

Or,a passive thing,such as what you and some others do. Yeah,you might like to pat yourself on the back and say "I didn't vote for that SOB",but you can NOT make the claim that you did everything you could do within your power to legally keep them from holding office.

I CAN make that claim.

@sneakypete
That's ridiculous. If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, but you are voting for the candidate that is only the lesser destruction to the Constitution in order to block the greater destruction to the Constitution, the end point is exactly the same - The destruction of the Constitution.

If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, then vote FOR people who WILL PROTECT IT.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
That's ridiculous. If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, but you are voting for the candidate that is only the lesser destruction to the Constitution in order to block the greater destruction to the Constitution, the end point is exactly the same  - The destruction of the Constitution.

Say WHAT? Are you really trying to claim that someone who "kinda,sorta" thinks the Constitution should be modified is as dangerous to our freedoms as someone whose life is dedicated to destroying it?

If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, then vote FOR people who WILL PROTECT IT.

And just exactly HOW is some one-dimensional goober who has no more chance of actually being elected to congress or the senate going to do ANYTHING but take money and votes away from someone who would?

AND......,THE votes that goober takes away JUST MIGHT be enough votes to prevent someone who WOULD do something positive from getting elected.

So go ahead and do your little "I am more righteous than you" superiority dance if it makes you feel better,but the truth is you are shooting yourself in the foot before you even get to dance.

Hell,you might as well cast a write-in vote for me,for all the good it will do you because I ain't running and wouldn't stand the chance of a snowball in hell if I did run.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@sneakypete
That's ridiculous. If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, but you are voting for the candidate that is only the lesser destruction to the Constitution in order to block the greater destruction to the Constitution, the end point is exactly the same - The destruction of the Constitution.

If what you WANT is to protect the Constitution, then vote FOR people who WILL PROTECT IT.

Ironically, you are advocating the destruction of the Constitution in the fastest way possible as not voting causes the Constitution to be worthless.

Myself and others choose to fight for it rather than to deliberately destroy it by not acting to preserve it.  That document was most definitely not conceived in order for it to be ignored by citizens that do not vote.

[roamer_1]

Ironically, you are advocating the destruction of the Constitution in the fastest way possible as not voting causes the Constitution to be worthless.

Myself and others choose to fight for it rather than to deliberately destroy it by not acting to preserve it.  That document was most definitely not conceived in order for it to be ignored by citizens that do not vote.

Nonsense. If BOTH SIDES are destroying the Constitution (and they are) Then the outcome is the very same.

Continue voting FOR 20 trillion dollar Administrations and that is what you will continue to get... Only worse.

This is the same 'lesser evil' bullshit that comes up every election.
Evil is still evil. And you are voting FOR it.

Inevitably, that leaves the good undefended - And that is precisely the problem.

[roamer_1]

Say WHAT? Are you really trying to claim that someone who "kinda,sorta" thinks the Constitution should be modified is as dangerous to our freedoms as someone whose life is dedicated to destroying it?

@sneakypete
YES. I am saying EXACTLY that. The outcome is the very same. And in the meantime, no real defense of the Constitution can rise. Because defending the Constitution, like defending fiscal conservatism, like defending social issues, has been taken off the table - Y'all are responsible for the attrition of that defense. You get more of what you vote FOR.

And just exactly HOW is some one-dimensional goober who has no more chance of actually being elected to congress or the senate going to do ANYTHING but take money and votes away from someone who would?

AND......,THE votes that goober takes away JUST MIGHT be enough votes to prevent someone who WOULD do something positive from getting elected.

WHO CARES? I am not going to vote for 'a little less' destruction. That's asinine. That ain't fighting anything.

So go ahead and do your little "I am more righteous than you" superiority dance if it makes you feel better,but the truth is you are shooting yourself in the foot before you even get to dance.

Go read those monstrous porkulous bills passed by Republicans, signed by republicans (Tumpy), and then come back here and try to say that again with a straight face.

And y'all are going to do it all over again. You're walking right down the garden path.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Nonsense. If BOTH SIDES are destroying the Constitution (and they are) Then the outcome is the very same.

Continue voting FOR 20 trillion dollar Administrations and that is what you will continue to get... Only worse.

This is the same 'lesser evil' bullshit that comes up every election.
Evil is still evil. And you are voting FOR it.

Inevitably, that leaves the good undefended - And that is precisely the problem.

It is not the same if you choose to accelerate its destruction.

Talk what you will, but your choices are not just malinformed but in some manner downright evil in nature.

[roamer_1]

It is not the same if you choose to accelerate its destruction.

Talk what you will, but your choices are not just malinformed but in some manner downright evil in nature.

Nonsense. And history proves it to be nonsense. This is precisely why Republicans do not defend, never win, and never will... Because they refuse to stand upon and defend what they believe.

And that is why I am no longer a Republican.

[christian]

Odd  long ago Mr Never told us don't vote Republican, when all we have in office is democrats, then w. wininally can finally win.  That kool-aid he's drinking can't be a legalized substance, yet many seem to sip it.  Have you heard any democrats, communist, socialists criticize you trying that insane method?  NO?  I haven't either, and they are so often quite vocal on issues.  Destroy them by giving them all the power?  That's far more demented than even biden claims to be.
 

roamer1:
IF Tumpy did as you say, then  it would have had a lasting effect. The ONLY lasting effect was a massive bill, and thousands of jobs and businesses lost to a phony plandemic. And you with NOTHING in your hand to show for it.

The 'lasting effect ended when Biden rever(s)ed the work that Trump accomplished, the first day Biden was in office.  Were you sleeping all week to miss that Rip Van Winkle?  Try and be better informed and take off the democrat goggles.

[roamer_1]

The 'lasting effect ended when Biden revered the work that Trump accomplished, the first day Biden was in office.  Were you sleeping all week to miss that Rip Van Winkle?  Try and be better informed and take off the democrat goggles.

The reason Bidet COULD reverse his work on his first day in office makes my point: All his work was reversible because it was all made of Executive Orders. EOs are ALWAYS reversed with a stroke of a pen.

There ya go, braggin up all the things you DIDN'T DO - It's ALL GONE, like a fart in a windstorm.

Meanwhile all the LAWS written under Tumpy, liberal as they are, still remain.

Thanks for making my point.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Nonsense. And history proves it to be nonsense. This is precisely why Republicans do not defend, never win, and never will... Because they refuse to stand upon and defend what they believe.

And that is why I am no longer a Republican.

History proves you are backing a losing cause.  Without voting as the Constitution allows for a representative Republican Government, you are going back to a Colonial rule by others and patronage to its rulers who control you as they possess no desire nor incentive to consider either freedoms or causes you might wish to have.

[roamer_1]

History proves you are backing a losing cause.  Without voting as the Constitution allows for a representative Republican Government, you are going back to a Colonial rule by others and patronage to its rulers who control you as they possess no desire nor incentive to consider either freedoms or causes you might wish to have.

More nonsense. The two parties currently 'representing' are not representative. Both already possess no desire nor incentive to consider freedoms or causes. If they did I never would have left off. As it is, investing time and money into the CP is more likely to net results. Even if it takes them 50 years to prove. Better or equal to the fifty I already invested into feckless Republicans.

As I said, never fear... If there is a Conservative to vote for I will be there with bells on.
Your problem is that there are damn few Conservatives in your party, and you know it... Otherwise I would have never left. Instead you are left trying to defend some absurd reason for me to vote directly against the very cause I stand upon. Not going to happen.

[Bigun]

Nonsense. And history proves it to be nonsense. This is precisely why Republicans do not defend, never win, and never will... Because they refuse to stand upon and defend what they believe.

And that is why I am no longer a Republican.

This is true and I offer Barrack Hussein Obama and Kamala Harris as incontrovertible proof! Neither of them are Natural Born Citizens, as the constitution requires them to be for the office they hold/held, and not one Republican officeholder that I'm aware of has said one damned word about it.

[Bigun]

The reason Bidet COULD reverse his work on his first day in office makes my point: All his work was reversible because it was all made of Executive Orders. EOs are ALWAYS reversed with a stroke of a pen.

There ya go, braggin up all the things you DIDN'T DO - It's ALL GONE, like a fart in a windstorm.

Meanwhile all the LAWS written under Tumpy, liberal as they are, still remain.

Thanks for making my point.

Yet Trump was not allowed to reverse the work of Obama (see dreamers)! No @roamer_1 the problem is MUCH deeper!

[roamer_1]

Yet Trump was not allowed to reverse the work of Obama (see dreamers)! No @roamer_1 the problem is MUCH deeper!

And where were the Republicans @Bigun , who owned both houses at the time, and could have written law to overturn Obummer, or overturn the court. Guess where they were... Nowhere to be found.

[sneakypete]

This is true and I offer Barrack Hussein Obama and Kamala Harris as incontrovertible proof! Neither of them are Natural Born Citizens, as the constitution requires them to be for the office they hold/held, and not one Republican officeholder that I'm aware of has said one damned word about it.

@Bigun

Why bother,when you KNOW it would be a losing battle. Better for them to spend their time trying to prevent the worse legislation from being passed than tilting at windmills.

After all,there are only so many hours in a day,and if any politician had focused solely on the evils of the Bush Crime Family,they would have never gotten anything positive done.

AND......,when push comes to shove,the evils done by the Bush Klan,the Clinton Klan,and now the Biden Klan was done by the jackasses that voted them into office,not their fellow politicians.

These jackasses,of course,include the voters opposed to them that refused to vote for petty little reasons having to do with egos instead of reality.

[sneakypete]

And where were the Republicans @Bigun , who owned both houses at the time, and could have written law to overturn Obummer, or overturn the court. Guess where they were... Nowhere to be found.

@roamer_1

Why are you even pretending to care,when you can't even bother to vote against them?

Refusing to vote for better but refusing to do so because "better" isn't as good as "perfect" makes YOU a part of the problem,not the solution.