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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1000 on: April 13, 2023, 12:18:14 am »
A quick updated listing of reviews.  If anyone has one that they'd like to add, let me know, or please feel free to participate with your own review, and add as you like.

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Index of Record Reviews-  Band-Album-Page No. on thread (from Maj. Bill and Catfish)
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AC DC- Back In Black- 26. ****
AC-DC- High Voltage- 35 ****
Aerosmith- Rocks- 30 *** 1/2
Aersosmith- Toys in the Attic- 30 ****
Alice Cooper- Billion Dollar Babies- 27 ****
Alice Cooper- Love it to Death- 38 *** 1/2
Amboy Dukes- Journey to the Center of a Mind- 39  ** 1/2
Asia- Asia- 38 * 1/2
The Beach Boys- Pet Sounds-  ** 1/2
The Beatles- Sargent Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band- 30 *****
Big Country- The Crossing-39 *** 1/2
Black Oak Arkansas, Black Oak Arkansas-  32 *** 1/2
Black Sabbath- Volume 4- 26 ****
Blink 182- Enema of the State- 32 *** 1/2
Blue Oyster Cult- Agents of Fortune- 28 ****
Blue Oyster Cult- The Revolution By Night- 38 *** 1/2
Bloodrock-II - 29 *** 1/2
Boston-Boston- 26 *****
Boston- Walk On- 37 ****
Jackson Browne- Lawyers in Love- 38 ***
The Cars- Candy-O - 28 ****
The Cars-The Cars- 39 ****
Chicago- Chicago- 29 *** 1/2
Creedence Clearwater Revival- Willy and the Poor Boys- 27 *****
Creme- Disraeli Gears- 37 **** 1/2
Deep Purple- Burn- 37 ****
Deep Purple- Machine Head- 30 **** 1/2
Def Leppard- Hysteria- 29 ****
Derek and the Dominos- Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs- 40 ****
Dire Straits- Love Over Gold- 41  **** 1/2
Dire Straits- Making Movies- 36 ****
The Doors-The Doors-30 ***
Dream Theatre- Images and Words- 37 ***
Eagles- The Long Run- 37. ***
Emerson Lake and Palmer- Brain Salad Surgery- 26 **** 1/2
Emerson Lake and Palmer- Pictures at an Exhibition- 32 ****
Eno- Another Green World- 34
Foghat- Night Shift- 42 ****
Foreigner- IV- 29 *** 1/2
Genesis- Trespass- 36
Golden Earring- Moontan- 33 *** 1/2
Grand Funk Railroad- Closer to Home- 35 ***
Green Day- American Idiot- 29 ***
Guns and Roses- Appetite for Destruction- 39 *
INXS- Listen Like Thieves- 36 ***
Jimi Hendrix- Are you Experienced- 34 **** 1/2
James Gang- Rides Again- 29 ****
Jethro Tull- Aqualung- 32 *** 1/2
Journey- Infinity- 35 *** 1/2
Kansas- Leftoverture- 28 ****
Kansas- Point of Know Return- 41 ****
King Crimson- In the Court of the Crimson King- 34 *** 1/2
Kiss- Destroyer- 30 ***
Led Zeppelin- II- 41 *****
Led Zeppelin- III- 29 *****
Led Zeppelin-IV- 25 *****
Lynyrd Skynyrd- Lynyrd Skynrd- 33 ****
Metallica- Black Album- 35 ** 1/2
Steve Miller Band- Book of Dreams- 29 *** 1/2
The Moody Blues- Days of Future Past- 35 **** 1/2
The Moody Blues- 7th Sojourn- 28 **** 1/2
Nazareth- Hair of the Dog -37 ***
Willie Nelson- Red Headed Stranger- 40 ***
Nine Inch Nails- The Downward Spiral- 37 ***
Nirvanna- Nevermind- 35 **
Mike Oldfield- Tubular Bells- 37 ** 1/2
Pink Floyd- Dark Side of the Moon- 30 ****
Tom Petty- Full Moon Fever- 25 *****
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers- Into the Great Wide Open- 34 ****
Queen- Queen- 36 ****
Ramones- Ramones- 28 ****
Roxy Music- For Your Pleasure- 35 ***
Rush- 2112- 26 *****
Rush- Hemispheres - 41 *****
Rush- Moving Pictures- 30 *****
Rush- Vapor Trails- 41 ****
Bob Seger- Against the Wind- 26 ****
The Sex Pistols- Never Mind the Bullocks- 33 **
Smashing Pumpkins- Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness- 31 *** 1/2
The Smithereens- 11- 37 ** 1/2
Styx- Equinox- 33 **** 1/2
Styx- Grand Illusion- 26 **** 1/2
Synergy- Sequencer- 40 *** 1/2
Toto- Isolation- 34 ***
Trapeze- Medusa- 40 ***
Uriah Heep- Demons and Wizards- 28 ***
Van Halen- Van Halen- 40 ** 1/2
Weezer- Blue Album- 35 ***
The Who- Tommy- 32 **** 1/2
The Who- Who's Next- 26 *****
Yes- Talk- 39 *****
Yes- The Yes Album- 27 *****
Neil Young and Crazy Horse- Rust Never Sleeps- 38 ****
Frank Zappa- Apostrophe- 31 ****
ZZ Top- Tres Hombres- 28 ****


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**- Good
***- Very Good
****- Excellent
*****- Classic, indispensable

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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1001 on: April 13, 2023, 01:42:51 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Dire Straits- Love Over Gold- 1982 **** 1/2

Dire Straits made two absolutely fabulous albums during their career.  Making Movies, which I have previously covered, and today's choice Love Over Gold.  Interestingly Love Over Gold was the band's least commerically successful LP.  It was understandable, in the fact that Knopfler chose a much different route over other efforts.  This album by its nature and creation had no intent of creating a hit, and mostly this is a spectacular example of an artist basically creating musical work that was hook-free. 

What Mark Knopfler did do, was create some of the most beautiful rock made in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  This is maybe the most keyboard angled of all their work, and did they ever work it in a spectacular fashion.  When you hear Knopfler play, it is done in the blues manner, but is not the blues.  Knopfler's guitar is as unique and recognizable as Hendrix, or EVH, just on its own merit.  Smoothly, bluezy, but with such a jazz like improv inclination.  Listening to this album and Making Movies are an immersive experience.  Knopfler's supporting cast, though pretty much anonymous augments in like quicksand around an stationary object.

The tone of the album is more sorrowful and introspect than other works too.  And thus maybe one of the most apt album titles ever.  This truly is the love of the music and the craft over any cash commerical award.  And what makes the album so special is how different every song mostly is from the last.  You are seeing the full songwriting and performance spectrum of a rock great.  I do have to admit that in some ways Making Movies is a more enjoyable relaxing listen, but I still have to give the nod to this one technical greatness.

Fun Fact:  Only Dire Straits studio album of their 6 that did not reach platinum status in the U.S.

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Telegraph Road-  Jaw Droppingly beautiful 15 minute voyage into the crevaces of Knopfler's creative songwriting.  I can not think of any other song in DS's career that Knoplers so soulfully innotated his 6 string skills.  I have often said that no one made their ax more like an addtional vocal than Knopfler, and with this and well intertwined keyboard this is a unabashed  unheralded classic.  Lyrically, so sad, and wonder how much he showed his emotions in his work.  And the guitar work at the end.  Just wow. - 1

Private Investigations-  Mark dusts off the Ovation in a perfectly constructed Spanish Guitar styling narrative like song.  This isn't rap folks.  But it is perfectly chorded with soulful inward progressions.  Again, it is like he transfers his intense emotions onto the frets with masterful and powerful intent.  You can see why this did not have huge appeal.  It was art, not arena rock and roll stuff. 3

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Industrial Disease-  Maybe the most commerical of a very un-commerical  like LP.  A lot of tongue in cheek humor interplay with hammond like keyboard, and of course, standard great guitar work.  I am sure Knopfler meant more than just a bad day at the factory when writing this song, though there may be some underlying economic/political  ills that many of us were witnessing and seeing in the early 1980's  5

Love Over Gold- Title track has some similarity in tenor and tone, of side 1.  Again nicely constructed, but minus some of the heart. I sensed a few missed opportunities here.  Still good tune.  4

It Never Rains- In what has bee  mostly a depressing meter, last song on the LP is much more musically upbeat, though lyrically and contrastingly more darker in intent.  Some of the best  traditonal songwriting, and a bit of style that was much more evident on Making Movies or Comminque.  Fantastic ending number, and nice reminder that you sure got your money's worth on this one.  2



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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1002 on: April 15, 2023, 09:10:53 pm »
True comment on the opening riff.  Maybe only "Smoke On the Water" might be more well known.

Did you hear the same rumours back in the early '70's that  a lot of the flop was due to fan reaction and rebellion against Clapton for disbanding Creme?
You are both right and wrong. The opening riff for SOTW is about as well-known as the one from Layla, but it is a bass guitar riff. Whatever.
I don't know that much about the background behind the failure of the song other than it didn't immediately climb the charts, and  Clapton went into a funk for a few years.
I was not then and am not now a big Cream or Clapton fan. I just liked Layla and Clapton's guitar work in general. It actually took me a decade later after I bought the Disraeli Gears album to like some of the tracks on the album. My head just wasn't there at the time. Like a lot of other music that I now like.

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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1003 on: April 15, 2023, 09:22:20 pm »
You are both right and wrong. The opening riff for SOTW is about as well-known as the one from Layla, but it is a bass guitar riff.

???

Looks like Blackmore to me.


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« Reply #1004 on: April 15, 2023, 09:22:55 pm »
Willie is in a category all his own, imho, @catfish1957 . I listen to c & w and most music except rap or opera.* Willie is a great lyricist. Although his voice isn't conventional by any means, it's pretty interesting and good to listen to.

I went to a Farm Aid concert that he sponsored that featured artists from a large spectrum of genres. Willie played along with every one of them. It was a 12 hour event and he put Jerry Lewis on his telethons to shame as far as keeping up,lol. I don't know if you have ever seen a picture of his guitar, but there is a hole worn in it.

*I'm not real good on heavy metal or a lot of the bands from the 80s...Rush, Yes, The Cars. I may like a song or two. My brother, the musician in our family, loves those groups. I'm sure I'm just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the complexity of their music. But I still enjoy the reviews!

Agreed.  Willie is in a category of his own.  I have seen him at least 4 times. The last time I saw him, he was still good, but starting to struggle because of age and his illness; but Willie still came shining through. His voice and style are absolutely, undoubtedly unique.

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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1005 on: April 15, 2023, 09:29:04 pm »
A quick updated listing of reviews.  If anyone has one that they'd like to add, let me know, or please feel free to participate with your own review, and add as you like.

Update

Index of Record Reviews-  Band-Album-Page No. on thread (from Maj. Bill and Catfish)
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*- Poor
**- Good
***- Very Good
****- Excellent
*****- Classic, indispensable


Giving the Moody Blues only ****?  They are in a category all their own with a combination of blues, rock, ballads, and orchestra and their harmonizing and vocals are incredible.  I rate them *****   Indispensable.  There is just no other group/band like them.  None.  I've seen them several times and their concerts (especially in the early years) were absolutely incredible.  Just my opinion.

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« Reply #1006 on: April 15, 2023, 09:55:46 pm »
Giving the Moody Blues only ****?  They are in a category all their own with a combination of blues, rock, ballads, and orchestra and their harmonizing and vocals are incredible.  I rate them *****   Indispensable.  There is just no other group/band like them.  None.  I've seen them several times and their concerts (especially in the early years) were absolutely incredible.  Just my opinion.

Actually was 4 1/2 stars for both.  I rated 1st and 7th albums pretty equally based on again....  opinion.   That's pretty high considering some of the others I've reviewed.    I share your high regard for this band, and prog would be much different without their contributions.   Sounds like you might be able to some reviews...  please participate.
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« Reply #1007 on: April 16, 2023, 01:34:28 am »
Big Country (no page number given) .... gets a 5* rating from me (mainly due to not being able to rate it higher). Would love to read the review if someone pings me with a page number.
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« Reply #1008 on: April 16, 2023, 01:58:26 am »
Big Country (no page number given) .... gets a 5* rating from me (mainly due to not being able to rate it higher). Would love to read the review if someone pings me with a page number.

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Sorry I left it off.

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« Reply #1009 on: April 16, 2023, 09:07:23 pm »
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Sorry I left it off.

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Thank you Sir :beer:

You have the song Chance ranked your favorite and in concert it is one of my favorites too. The crowd just has a great time singing with the band with it.
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« Reply #1010 on: April 17, 2023, 03:46:48 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Led Zeppelin II (1969) *****

Part of the fun of doing these reviews, is taking the time and in one setting listening to these in a pristine focused manner.  Which is counter to normally what you would encounter on a Pandora Station, or Spotify, Classic Rock Station, or other pre-packaged manner of listening.  I have literally listened to this album 100's of times in my life, and it never grows old.  As ground breaking as the first Zep album was, I always felt that I was configured by Page to lure his Yardbirds fans into the snare.  It was so bluesy, though spectacular, and there was no doubt Rock and Roll history was made, and it was the band/album that offically knocked the Beatles off the throne.

II, OTOH, redefined hard rock, but had so much of a well entrinched and enough blues to appease the older fans.  To me this album is as fresh and powerful as it was the first time I heard it soon after its release.  There is good reason that the meme through the years for Led Zeppelin was Hammer of the Gods.  Not only is there no filler on the 1st 4 Zeppelin albums, all the stuff in them are utter and overwhelming  classics.   In production of Led Zeppelin II  we are watching Page work magic in transforming this band into rock iconic status,.... forever.   The 3 core muscians are legends.  Page and Bonham are easily on almost all top 5 all time in lists of excellence. And JPJ?  To me among the most underrated of all.   And in II, I feel that the overall chemistry and blending of all parties just works as good or better than 90% of all other Zep product.  This is clicking on a songwriting basis in the upteenth degree.

The fact that this is the 3rd album to review, and in order of favorite , behind IV, and III kind of drives home the fact few did it better than them.  This album even early on was wildly successful.  I seriously doubt many rock fans back in the day did not have this one their collection.   And with this success came some bravado.  I think the fold out of this LP, may have been one of the first out there.  And even to that, the center album art had a large golden Zeppelin hoisted above what appears to be the Pantheon.  That tooks some balls to make such claims.

But enough of the side stuff.  Enjoy 40 minutes of a rock classic.

Fun Fact: Kind of an oddity, but the 9 songs on the album were recorded  in 6 different studios.  (1) Olympic Studios- London, (2) Mirror Sound- Los Angeles, (3) Morgan Studios- London, (4) A & R Studios- New York, (5) Juggy Sound Studio- New York (6) Atlantic Studios- New York.  Apparently, in the rough and tough busy world of rock and roll, they had to record around touring. 

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Whole Lotta Love-  Earlier in this thread we had a good discussion about the most iconic opening guitar riffs in rock and roll history. Yeah, Layla and Smoke on the Water belong near the top, but Whole Lotta Love has to be. up there too.  From the opening Plant cough, this epic rocker jars the listener into reality, and shows the world that Led Zeppelin now is offically ruling the world of hard rock. Page showed so many new and innovative ways to get sounds from his Les Paul that were here and not heard from before.  From the down fret sliding, to the almost FX sounding guitar speaker bending fare?  The song eptimomized the  sexual experience, complete with an orgasmic guitar solo at the end.  No doubt this was rock and roll sexual innuendo at its epic best.   1

What is and What Should Never Be-  Don't be fooled by slower pace.  More Page wizardry, and and very interesting deep barrel sound blues/rocking mix that really works.  Might be one of the weakest songs on the LP, but it is like a sports All Star Game,  This would be a absoutel classic hit for another band. 8

The Lemon Song-  Talk about some innuendo.  Band can't hide it this time.  Some incredible JPJ bass work, and stealthy super difficult percussion work from Gonzo if you listen close enough.  This is  PG-13 stuff though and  I have vivid memories having to keep the volume down so my parents didn't hear. But you gotta confide, how many of us 13 year olds at the time thought about the Lemon squeezing.     :cool: 7

Thank You-  Easily in the top 3 of the most beautiful tunes Zeppelin ever made.  This is such a huge change of pace, and you are amazed that this band could turn this thing on a dime so spectacularly. Eery and chilling in its delivery,  and unlike almost anything else Led Zeppelin created- 4


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Heartbreaker/Living Loving Maid-  I am sorry, I know these are listed as two songs, but to me it is pure sacriliege on a radio basis NOT to play these in tandem.  Just wouldn't be prudent, they go together.   HB is a fabulous blues blasting solo fare.  Page at his best. At the "HEART"  "break" song interphase- LLM slaps you with down beat cymbal crashes and more really more standard type rock fare. Plant wails at his very best and this song screams CLASSIC.  2

Ramble On- Another lighter angled number that alternates with nicely done di-opposing  hard hooks. 6

Moby Dick- There are benchmark songs for certain instruments.  Moby Dick is  one of those for Drummers.  Much like Tom Sawyer, White Room, and My Generation.  Air Drummers, rejoice.    5

Bring it on Home- One of my all time favorite Zep Blues Numbers-  Page and the guys create a impeccable Mississippi Blues Delta blues sound complete with era correct  harmonica, and that Black  like innotation and slurring  that hallmarked the great blues guys of the '40s.  How Page then took the hook lines and transitioned them into a hard rocking classic is remarkable.   Zeppelin caught a lot of flack for plagerizing the blues stuff from that era.  I didn't see it that way.  To me, these were not really truly just covers.  They were a  variative tribute to the genre.  They took a good product, and made it better for the masses. 3


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« Reply #1011 on: April 18, 2023, 01:53:00 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Rush- Hemispheres (1978) *****

Rush had maybe 4-5 albums that I prefered over Hemipshere, but a band with (IMO) about 10- 5 star LP's,  anyone of those 10 would be a fun choice to cover.   Today, I chose Hemispheres for the fact that this was undoubtedly the most agressively and difficult intense album they  made.  I always considered it a stylistic blend of Caress of Steel, Side 1 of 2112, and melodic view of Kings.    This is their most complex LP, and from what I read took a lot out them mentally, especially in composing the structural aspects of this installment of Cygnus.

This is the last album before what became known as Rush's heavy electronic era, which allowed Geddy a more signifcant role in Band direction.  At least in my case, this is more of an album less in aesthetic enjoyment, but more of one of admiration of the musical accumen.  This album and esepcially Cygnus and all 6 movements is rife in signature and time changes that flash by you spiraling fashion.  It almost it was like, hey not should we do it, but can we do it, and still corral it in what would infer a tangible musical product.  To the old timey Rush purist this was their last foray into long prolonged mythological themes that was their trademark in the 1970's. This truly was the end of the pure proggy era of the band.

In far as aspect as music, to me this is (was) Lifeson's apex as a musican and his contribution to Rush  Lavilla Strangiato is his signature piece,  and one of the great guitar works of all time.  Lerxt would be a legend in any other band that didn't have Geddy or Peart.  For percussion, this is as usual, techincally perfect, crisp, and near impossible to replicate.  Geddy Lee's in this album, and probably the subsequent 3 or 4 are at their strongest.  Once you get past about say....Permanent Waves, the strain thought slight starts becoming evidient. But make no doubt about this is band of the ages, and with Side 1 (Cygnus X-1 (subsequent)  , you get not only that level of complexity, but an aura of spacey-ness, mind bending and abrupt variability that makes this among the most unique full sides of Rush's catalog of work.  Of the 4 discernable piece of this LP, I rank it 2nd It moves and weaves like a 3 phased tapestry that in its chaos gels into a musical mosiac.

Side 2, in the spirit of 2112 is more traditonal Rush, and just as spectacular.  Circumstance is majestic, with legendary Peart fills, and chordal progressions that feed the lyrically genius of Peart and his message of personal retrospection is inspiring. All 3 on this one click so well  3. Rush made very few overtly political songs, but with Trees they pulled off a such an  intentional allegorical musical directive, that was not only crazily noticiable, it was very pointed viewpoint about how their native land Canada was treated and dealt with on the world stage. Yeah, this is No. 4, but no less a Rush classic.  And with LaVilla Strangiato, you get every Rush fan's favorite instrumental.  As I mentioned earlier, this Alex Lifeson's masterpiece.  But it can not be under-reported that this also contains some of the most revered Neil Peart drum work too. Chaotic, majestic and brash.....  This is Rush at its greatest.  1

Fun Fact: According to Lifeson Lavilla Strangiato was inspired or based on strange dreams and nightmares. 


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« Reply #1012 on: April 18, 2023, 04:20:31 pm »
If I may, I'd like to comment on three.

Beach Boys never flicked my bic...but I can't deny their artistic talent and the impact they had on the music industry. The harmonies were excellent and Dennis ? or was it Brian ?, as strange as he was...was very prescient about the industry. Also very respected. Myself, I liked a couple of their fluff numbers...Kokomo and Sail On Sailor, neither of which, I have read, they liked.

Big fan of Dire Straits. I really can't think of a single thing that they did that I don't like. Knopfler is such a great guit picker that I can recognize him without being told it's him (much like Clapton or Satriani). I read at one time that he has a dinosaur named after him. *chuckle*

I gotta whole lotta love for Zep. They were probably the stepping stone to a more fusion type music. That may not be the correct term...I guess I mean blues, rock and almost a heavy sound. As far as their sexual overtones, they were absolutely there. But look at the lyrics of today's lyrics. They were pretty out there, but today ...

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« Reply #1013 on: April 18, 2023, 05:41:31 pm »
???

Looks like Blackmore to me.


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You are correct, I was wrong. Never a Deep Purple fan and not a big fan of the song. Have a son in law who plays bass guitar and his wife said he could play SOTW on it. I misremembered the opening riff.
 When I replayed the song it's obvious it was a regular guitar. Apparently a lot of people (wrongly) believe the opening riff was played on bass. Oh well.
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« Reply #1014 on: April 18, 2023, 05:47:11 pm »
@catfish1957

My favorite Rush album is Vapor Trails.

I’d love to see you do a review on this?
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« Reply #1015 on: April 18, 2023, 06:03:08 pm »

I went to a Rush concert with my brother. Does that count? happy77

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You were blessed.  I regret only making the one I went to in '82 during the Moving Pictures Tour.  I kept putting it off, and then 2015, it's over, and 5 years later Peart's gone.

Alex, Geddy, and Neil were rare musicans who often were better live than in studio.  One particular song, Natural Science has at least two live versions that I consider better than the original. 

If you don't mind me asking, which tour (year) did you attend? 
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« Reply #1016 on: April 18, 2023, 06:11:46 pm »
You are correct, I was wrong. Never a Deep Purple fan and not a big fan of the song. Have a son in law who plays bass guitar and his wife said he could play SOTW on it. I misremembered the opening riff.
 When I replayed the song it's obvious it was a regular guitar. Apparently a lot of people (wrongly) believe the opening riff was played on bass. Oh well.
Next you're going to tell me that Milli Vanilli were fakers.
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Easy to confuse as it Blackmore played it in what seems to be in a lower register along the A/D/G strings.   Additonally, Strats have that lower hollow sound that the early metal heads, including EVH loved.
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« Reply #1017 on: April 18, 2023, 06:32:40 pm »
@berdie
You were blessed.  I regret only making the one I went to in '82 during the Moving Pictures Tour.  I kept putting it off, and then 2015, it's over, and 5 years later Peart's gone.

Alex, Geddy, and Neil were rare musicans who often were better live than in studio.  One particular song, Natural Science has at least two live versions that I consider better than the original. 

If you don't mind me asking, which tour (year) did you attend?



Well, you'll  laugh at me and I don't mind, but I'm one of those anal people that kept ticket stubs from every event I went to, even sporting events.. (Also, programs from musicals and if available, commemorative booklets at concerts). I can look at them and it brings back fond memories. So, it wasn't hard to look up.

It was the 2007 Snakes and Arrows tour. According to the stub. :laugh:


The last concert I went to was 6/7 years ago. It was Steve Winwood opening for Steely Dan. I just can't navigate the venues any more. :( The only group I didn't see live, that I would have liked to, was the Stones















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« Reply #1018 on: April 18, 2023, 07:45:49 pm »
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Classic Rock Album of the Day- Rush- Vapor Trails- 2002 ****

This is the great comback album, after the band took a hiatus after the tragic losses in Neil Peart's family.  And Mr Peart released a lot of pent up emotion, and it came out in a mix of retrospection on both sides of the emotional spectra.  VT contains what I feel is more prose than lyrical content, as there does seem to be more of the lyric/song mix than in most Rush efforts.  Not to say that this is mostly the theme of dispair. Well maybe 70/30.   I have heard or remember that a lot of what Peart channeled was what he felt during like a long long motorcycle trip to get away after his loss. 

Stylistically VT is less prog than most Rush albums, and I hadn't realized that this is actually the first album by Rush since Caress of Steel (1975) that incredibly did not have any keyboard inclusion.  I knew and felt that this was a strange move, and with that, it makes all the sense in the world.   I do know that their Feedback album of covers was done fairly close to the same time, and maybe it was just the feel or mood at the time.  On the instruments, the guys are at their normal sterling best.  I can see some drop off in Geddy's vocalizations, which I think may be a function of the layoff rather than age.  He does sound stronger on the final two LP's.

I have not made any secrets that this is my favorite band, but even in this case, there is an uneveness of a few songs that though I would not characterize as filler, but more of the evidence of the band not totally knocking the dust of their creative chops.  This is an album with more balladry, more hard rocking, almost even metal like product.  It is an excellent album, which for Rush terms is fair, to middling.  Even a medicore Rush might be a classic for another.  The bar is set that high. The album does contain my favorite latter day tune.  Out of  the Cradle. More on that later.

Fun Fact: This is the only studio product by Rush for entire period between 1997-2004. 

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1- One Little Victory-  Rush extracts an almost '70's like feel in this hard rocking.  Peart's wearing his heart on his sleeve early and often.  Kind of has that Live One Day at Time colloquial feel to the lyrics.  Very good and solid rocking song, that has some speed metal moments too.   3

2- Ceiling Unlimited- Very nicely layered filler parts, that is accenuated with some really complex drumming.  Through two songs, its seems Lee has toned down the bass a few decibles.  I don't know if Alex was getting feeling he was getting squeezed as was kind of the perception in their synth late '80's era, but Lifeson did some nice solo work on the entire album.  4

3. Ghost Rider- Song and subsquent book that supposed documented his post trauma trip on his motorcycle that was supposed be like 10-15K miles.  I know the story, but from a song writing effort, not one of the band's best efforts.  I feel for the guy, but maybe the theme was little over used.  9

4. Peaceable Kingdom-  Peart often focused on the philosphical aspect of human discourse.  More often than not, this normally isn't the best vehicle for Rush's best stuff.  Almost sounds like Rush wanted to cover Metallica on this one.  In any case, I like Proggy Rocking Rush over Preachy thudding Rush- 11

5. The Stars Look Down- Another one with kind of '70's feel.  12

6. How it is- Alternating rocking and ballad that has a nice upbeat feel musically that is countered with more dispair.  10

7. Vapor Trail- Very solid title track, Geddy when doing it does the bass chordal thing as well as anyone else. Voice dubbing sounds strange in production.  Way too grainy, adds minimally to the song. Or might even detract from it as far as my opinion. Alex does nice ax wail towards the end that sits with the sync drumming nicely  6

8- Secret Touch- Instrumetally some of the best of the LP, this had to be very tough to pull off,  I know I use the term chaos too much, but there are mid parts, that have that three man orchestraic feel to it. 7

9- Earthshine-  What a great song-  From Lerxt fuzz Gibson (gotta be that ES-355 Gibson) to Geddy's well and aptly shrilling on this one, there is no debate this is a Rush classic. Expansive Lifeson guitar is so rich full at times it almost songs like a stringed mellotron.  Fantastic. 2

10. Sweet Miracle- Sounds a lot like the rest of the album in meter.  Not one of their better songs. 13

11. Nocturne- Very strange but endearing smash up of several Rush styles, as you can hear the '70's themeing with a touch of jazz, and subset jamming that sound like songs within the songs.  Unlike most anyting else they did.  Ambivalent, but more than anything I think Peart intended this more of a lyrical mental allegorical theme of either madness or a wild mushroom trip. 5

12. Freeze Part IV of Fear- A musical direction, that though unique,  is pretty nonsensical as far as lyrics.  There are moments on this album that I feel that Peart thinks he is more of a Avante Garde' poet than a lyricist for one of the greatest rock bands.  He had a tough patch in his life, I think we and the rest of the world should give him a pass. 8

13. Out of the Cradle-  My favorite 2000's  Rush song.  This is a masterpiece of  songwriting that manages tempo changes in ways I can't explain.  The half measured bass ditty, while layered Lifeson power chordal strumming is truly spectacular feat of rock and roll.  Man did these guys ever save the best for last- 1


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Re: Classic Rock Discussion thread, including Catfish's Top 20 Lists.
« Reply #1019 on: April 18, 2023, 08:14:06 pm »
@Gefn

Classic Rock Album of the Day- Rush- Vapor Trails- 2002 ****

This is the great comback album, after the band took a hiatus after the tragic losses in Neil Peart's family.  And Mr Peart released a lot of pent up emotion, and it came out in a mix of retrospection on both sides of the emotional spectra.  VT contains what I feel is more prose than lyrical content, as there does seem to be more of the lyric/song mix than in most Rush efforts.  Not to say that this is mostly the theme of dispair. Well maybe 70/30.   I have heard or remember that a lot of what Peart channeled was what he felt during like a long long motorcycle trip to get away after his loss. 

Stylistically VT is less prog than most Rush albums, and I hadn't realized that this is actually the first album by Rush since Caress of Steel (1975) that incredibly did not have any keyboard inclusion.  I knew and felt that this was a strange move, and with that, it makes all the sense in the world.   I do know that their Feedback album of covers was done fairly close to the same time, and maybe it was just the feel or mood at the time.  On the instruments, the guys are at their normal sterling best.  I can see some drop off in Geddy's vocalizations, which I think may be a function of the layoff rather than age.  He does sound stronger on the final two LP's.

I have not made any secrets that this is my favorite band, but even in this case, there is an uneveness of a few songs that though I would not characterize as filler, but more of the evidence of the band not totally knocking the dust of their creative chops.  This is an album with more balladry, more hard rocking, almost even metal like product.  It is an excellent album, which for Rush terms is fair, to middling.  Even a medicore Rush might be a classic for another.  The bar is set that high. The album does contain my favorite latter day tune.  Rock the Cradle. More on that later.

Fun Fact: This is the only studio product by Rush for entire period between 1997-2004. 

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1- One Little Victory-  Rush extracts an almost '70's like feel in this hard rocking.  Peart's wearing his heart on his sleeve early and often.  Kind of has that Live One Day at Time colloquial feel to the lyrics.  Very good and solid rocking song, that has some speed metal moments too.   3

2- Ceiling Unlimited- Very nicely layered filler parts, that is accenuated with some really complex drumming.  Through two songs, its seems Lee has toned down the bass a few decibles.  I don't know if Alex was getting feeling he was getting squeezed as was kind of the perception in their synth late '80's era, but Lifeson did some nice solo work on the entire album.  4

3. Ghost Rider- Song and subsquent book that supposed documented his post trauma trip on his motorcycle that was supposed be like 10-15K miles.  I know the story, but from a song writing effort, not one of the band's best efforts.  I feel for the guy, but maybe the theme was little over used.  9

4. Peaceable Kingdom-  Peart often focused on the philosphical aspect of human discourse.  More often than not, this normally isn't the best vehicle for Rush's best stuff.  Almost sounds like Rush wanted to cover Metallica on this one.  In any case, I like Proggy Rocking Rush over Preachy thudding Rush- 11

5. The Stars Look Down- Another one with kind of '70's feel.  12

6. How it is- Alternating rocking and ballad that has a nice upbeat feel musically that is countered with more dispair.  10

7. Vapor Trail- Very solid title track, Geddy when doing it does the bass chordal thing as well as anyone else. Voice dubbing sounds strange in production.  Way too grainy, adds minimally to the song. Or might even detract from it as far as my opinion. Alex does nice ax wail towards the end that sits with the sync drumming nicely  6

8- Secret Touch- Instrumetally some of the best of the LP, this had to be very tough to pull off,  I know I use the term chaos too much, but there are mid parts, that have that three man orchestraic feel to it. 7

9- Earthshine-  What a great song-  From Lerxt fuzz Gibson (gotta be that ES-355 Gibson) to Geddy's well and aptly shrilling on this one, there is no debate this is a Rush classic. Expansive Lifeson guitar is so rich full at times it almost songs like a stringed mellotron.  Fantastic. 2

10. Sweet Miracle- Sounds a lot like the rest of the album in meter.  Not one of their better songs. 13

11. Nocturne- Very strange but endearing smash up of several Rush styles, as you can hear the '70's themeing with a touch of jazz, and subset jamming that sound like songs within the songs.  Unlike most anyting else they did.  Ambivalent, but more than anything I think Peart intended this more of a lyrical mental allegorical theme of either madness or a wild mushroom trip. 5

12. Freeze Part IV of Fear- A musical direction, that though unique,  is pretty nonsensical as far as lyrics.  There are moments on this album that I feel that Peart thinks he is more of a Avante Garde' poet than a lyricist for one of the greatest rock bands.  He had a tough patch in his life, I think we and the rest of the world should give him a pass. 8

13. Out of the Cradle-  My favorite 2000's  Rush song.  This is a masterpiece of  songwriting that mamages tempo changes in ways I can't explain.  The half measured bass ditty, while layered Lifeson power chordal strumming is truly spectacular feat of rock and roll.  Mand did these guys ever save the best for last- 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-63ofNUnDE


Thank you so much @catfish1957

I really liked this album. Like I said it’s my favorite Rush album.


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« Reply #1020 on: April 18, 2023, 09:45:26 pm »

Thank you so much @catfish1957

I really liked this album. Like I said it’s my favorite Rush album.


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Your welcome. 

If you like the later era of Rush, here are a  real sleeper favorites of mine is  Power Windows and Hold Your Fire from '87,.

Both are  among my top 5 all time of Rush tunes, and mostly un noticable even among fans.... 

Emotion Detector contains some of the most beautiful chordal progressions ever done in rock.  And the dual bass/lead solos are amazingly done in impeccable tandem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF-VBypWkbY

and.....

Prime Mover.  One of the most moving, beautiful, and immersively melodic prog tunes every made.   These two highlight how great but obscure this aspect of their career became.

I have given thought to creating a post of band hidden gems, and in the case of Rush, these would be a couple. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95r64HhLOQ
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« Reply #1021 on: April 18, 2023, 10:06:51 pm »
The Boston Mystery and Debate-  And I wonder maybe if someone has the answer.......

A number of decades ago a group of friends had a spirited discussion and almost argument on a technical aspect of one of Boston's most iconic hits....   Peace of Mind.

In the last minute of this tune, there is a 3 layered subsequent guitar run and chordal progression that is so perfectly attuned, timed, and innotated, we could not come to any consensus of how it was made.......

(1) Was this just Tom Scholz mixing wizardry.
(2) Was  there an uncredited guitarist besides Scholz and Goodreau participating?

My argument was this was in the analog era, and to get that level of finite perfection it was pure luck, or was a 1000 takes would have been near to impossible to mix.  Or was this ultimate masterful perfection of all 3, including an uncredited one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ42CLtr7Jg

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« Reply #1022 on: April 24, 2023, 07:52:40 pm »
The Boston Mystery and Debate-  And I wonder maybe if someone has the answer.......

A number of decades ago a group of friends had a spirited discussion and almost argument on a technical aspect of one of Boston's most iconic hits....   Peace of Mind.

In the last minute of this tune, there is a 3 layered subsequent guitar run and chordal progression that is so perfectly attuned, timed, and innotated, we could not come to any consensus of how it was made.......

(1) Was this just Tom Scholz mixing wizardry.
(2) Was  there an uncredited guitarist besides Scholz and Goodreau participating?

My argument was this was in the analog era, and to get that level of finite perfection it was pure luck, or was a 1000 takes would have been near to impossible to mix.  Or was this ultimate masterful perfection of all 3, including an uncredited one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ42CLtr7Jg

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« Reply #1023 on: April 25, 2023, 06:40:46 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Kansas- Point of Know Return- (1977) ****

When I first reviewed Leftoverture, I think I remember mentioning that it was a near coin toss, between it and this followup companion masterpiece "Point of Know Return"  This album  contains the most famous Kansas tune, Dust in the Wind, and is overall is stylistically very very similar to its predecessor.   Both are fabulous American Prog Rock Creations, and many might say that these are the best two consecutive albums of American contribution to the genre.  Point of Know Return outside its commerical example .. Dust...   does have somewhat more of an abstract instrumental flare to it.  I think the prior success allowed for a tad more experimentation. OTOH,  I do think that experimentation  did hurt in future sales, as there was much more of an AOR audience than prog audience in the U.S. at the time.  These two albums made quad platinum, nothing before after even came close.  And that is not to say Kansas didn't great music outside these two.  They did, but just not to the level of consistence of these. 

The band kept a very tight knit line up during this era of greatness, and the mix and chemistry worked to perfection.  Though the arrangements are tad weaker on this LP, I feel they pulled off some amazing and innovate hook that exceed other albums.  The power chords at the climaxical end of Sparks of the Temptest are as bad ass as it gets.  In any case, Kansas doesn't cheat anyone on this one, and this great album is again one of those rarities that is  pretty much filler free.  If you want a solid blend of classical, prog, and down right good mid 1970's rock and roll, you will really like this one.

Fun fact: Album's Dust in the Wind contains the only Kansas song to chart in the Top 10. (Peaked at No. 6)

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Point of Know Return-  Rocking and rollicking, and a great bit radio friendly, band starts nicely with a syncopated based poignant song, that themed with human retrospection.  One that would reverb during the entire LP. Some of the bass line in the album too.  Excellent tune, and a great start. 3

Paradox- A tad less enjoyable, great musical gymnastics, and obvioulsy a little too much on the technical, and less focus on the listenabiity aspects.  Somes prog bands did these things just because they wanted to flex the musical chops.  All the greats did it.  And sometimes it worked better than others. 8

The Spider-  This instrumental suffers for the same reason as the preceding song.  No doubt technically brilliant, but meh. 9

Portrait (He Knew)- Nicely done dueling among the musicans, and a most effective use of lyrics, and a nice ode to Einstein.  Always thought it was a strange topic for a rock and roll song, but props anyway. Runaway solo-ing at the end by the entire band is some of the best jam on the album. 5

Closet Chronicles- I will honestly misinterpreted this song through the years, as it mostly meant generically just captains of industry, but found out that the song is actually written in tribute to Howard Hughes.  Like the earlier song, it was a portrayal of a nice mish mash of instrumental gazadry, and it  works nicley.  Maybe some of my confusion iof the song's intent was that  the band gives the song such a medevial feel at the end- 7

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Lightning's Hand- This is the one that makes the old time fans happy.  Very much like a lot of their earlier work, with much a less a prog feel, but more straight forward rock and roll. 6

Dust in the Wind-  I think everyone of us college guys had our existentialist phase, and the song is a anthem for that bullshit.  I know this was the big hit, and I'll say it, and piss everyone off.  I got sick and tired of hearing on the radio.  Yes, I know it is constructed as a classic rock beautiful ballad style , but its overplay was awful.  And musically, the alternating set strumming was the stuff of like guys who sat on the stairs in Animal House.  Like Blutarsky, I wanted to bash the guitar in too.  10

Sparks of the Tempest-  Ahhhhh now the album starts cooking- Kansas didn't infuse much Moog, but I just love how this song flows, creeps up, builds, and slaps the listener with massively prophthetic lyrics that were 50 years too soon.  And as mentioned earlier, the ax power chords at the conclusion with weaving violin is awesome. 1

They mold you and shape you, so watch what you do
The sparks of the tempest are burnin' you through
Spreading like wildfire, fallin' like rain
Though they may promise, they only bring pain

Your future is managed, and your freedom's a joke
You don't know the difference as you put on the yoke
The less that you know the more you fall into place
A cog in the wheel, there is no soul in your face


Nobody's Home-  To me, this is the flip side of Dust in the Wind.  Ballad in majestic if content, but beautifully written and delivered.  Song is so melancholy, but powerful too. It seems the violin almost cries.  To me this is the most under-rated and under appreciated song in the entire Kansas catalog.  I know Livgren had one intent of the lyrics, I like to think of it as another.  2

Hopelessly Human- Fantastic finish to a great LP.  Songs begins in ballad form, but all hell breaks lose is some of the strongest inter-instrumental play on the album.  The bells at the end give goose bumps. What a great album.  4



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« Reply #1024 on: May 01, 2023, 03:30:36 pm »
Sadly we lost another Bachman Brother today of BTO.  Timothy Bachman- (1951-2023)

Props to accepting the role of rhthym guitar, and ceding the spotlights to his brothers.  He contributed a lot to their early sound.  Had forgotten he was only there for the 1st 2.  But of course, those first two were BTO's best.

My favorite BTO song, live from '73....


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« Reply #1025 on: May 02, 2023, 09:17:35 pm »
Sadly we lost another Bachman Brother today of BTO.  Timothy Bachman- (1951-2023)

Props to accepting the role of rhthym guitar, and ceding the spotlights to his brothers.  He contributed a lot to their early sound.  Had forgotten he was only there for the 1st 2.  But of course, those first two were BTO's best.

My favorite BTO song, live from '73....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQDsmJ7_gBg

My favorite, as well. I don’t really like any other BTO songs. This one is just superior to anything else they did. It’s actually on my Top 5 list.
You're everywhere I go, I am not alone
You call me as Your own to know You and be known.
You are holy!
And I fall down on my knees.
I can feel Your presence here with me.
Suddenly I'm lost within Your beauty,
Caught up in the wonder of Your touch.
Here in this moment I surrender to Your love.

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« Reply #1026 on: May 03, 2023, 08:51:25 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Foghat- Nightshift (1976) ****

Today, I am going to offer homage to the first headlining band that I saw in concert back in 1976, Foghat. And what a great concert it was.  It was a 3 band bill, starting with Head East, secondly, Styx, and finally Foghat.  Yeah, what a night.  Maybe the best $6.00 I ever spent.

I am kind of surprised it took 94 of these reviews for me to  finally get to the great mainstays of the early to mid 1970's AOR circuit Foghat. Maybe because I was so torn between the two really good albums that marks their standing in rock history. I could have easily went with "Fool For the City".  It had their two latter more well known hits, the title track and of course "Slow Ride".  To me it is an equally excellent album with Nightshift, but Fool For the City got so much more airplay.  I can think of at least two movies that used "Slow Ride" in their soundtracks as kind of a barometer of the times.  Don't get me wrong, I love the LP, and wore the sucker out.  But with Nightshift, you get something  more adventerous, mysterious, and consistent with their roots.  These guyys were bad. ass blues rock and roll for their time, and with this album they don't disappoint.  There isn't a song on this album not to enjoy.  The real early stuff of Fogaht is fantastic too, and contains a more hard core bash 'em blues in that dueling style I like. They were consistent, and  the guys really didn't make a bad album, until after this one. 

Foghat's brain trust is Lonesome Dave Peverett.  He dominates the lyrical and songwriting chores with the band, and does a bang up job, showing us just who was the talent behind some of the early Savoy Brown.  This album was probably looked at somewhat risk, with a huge lineup change at bass, but in essence, though Foghat encompasses the bass lines nicely in their repitoire, the band's sound still really focuses on it's signature ax grinding.  Which leads me to that signature slide.....  You can't underestimate the talent of their slide guitarist "The Bottle". Rod Price. Of course, Lonesome Dave got the solos, accolades and the spot light but without Price's sound, Foghat would have just have been another rock band in the crowd.

Fun Fact:  With all of the hilarious Spinal Tap references around  drummer turnover, .......... Foghat's Drummer Roger Earl is the only constant, and is present on every one of Foghat's works 1972-2018. 

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Driving Wheel-  Blasting out the gates in a heavy heavt bluezy fashion.  Very typical of your Fogat stuff of the era.  Fantastic. 3

Don't Run Me Down-  Da woman did me wrong contribution on the LP.  No blues album is complete without one.    Good one of course, and it morphs into a NOLA like boogey and back with ease and grace.  No bad tunes on this one. 4

Burnin' the Midnight Oil-  This one has that "Slow Ride" feel, and kind of borrows some of it's riff lines.  Nothing to really say bad about the song.  Maybe just a lesser one of an excellent album. 5


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Night Shift-  Not too often the title track is one of the weakest on the LP, but this is the case. Very competent musically, but way too mainstream, and the ax solos feel forced and formulaic. 6

Hot Shot Love-   Like the title track, this seems like a Peverett songwriting lull.  Would be a nice tune for another band, but this is a weaker one of an excellent album.  7

Take Me to the River- Boom!!!....  Now this is bad ass.  By far the greatest cover of the Al Green R & B classic.  Peverett took the standard, and remade it into a classic.  At least classic in my corner of rock and roll. Remember my earlier comment about understated bass lines?  Not here friends.  Bass shreds that augment some fantastic and innovative guitar.  This one went under the radar, that is for sure, and is sadly forgotten.  1

I'll Be Standing By- Talk about a closing strong.  This is an absolutley beautiful bluesey ballad like tune that pulls from all aspects of Foghat's talented line up.  So well written, so well delievered.  This was a cool Power Ballad, way before they became fashionaable in rock and roll.  2


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« Reply #1027 on: May 03, 2023, 09:15:08 am »
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I really like your reviews from the 70s.


You remind me of some bands I’ve totally forgotten, or recall hearing on the radio but not knowing who did it.
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« Reply #1028 on: May 03, 2023, 09:22:07 am »
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I really like your reviews from the 70s.


You remind me of some bands I’ve totally forgotten, or recall hearing on the radio but not knowing who did it.

Thanks for the kind words.  Most fun of it all, is going back and hearing music that I haven't heard in 40-50 years.  It is interesting to notice  how you heard things then, and how they sound now from an elderly pespective.
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« Reply #1029 on: May 06, 2023, 12:24:14 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Alice Cooper- Killer- (1971) *** 1/2

Sometimes the randomness of You Tube peaks my re-interest into some of the music of my youth.  This gem popped up a few days ago, and I will have to admit that this was first deep listen I had of the LP for decades.  I think it was pretty ground breaking for a few reasons, one....   it proved AC was not just schtick.  Yeah, the shock rock, glam, and productions got them a lot of attention, but this particular album showed that this band (pre-drugged out) has some damned good musical chops, and songwriting prowess.  Secondly, this is the one that this one  unleashed the genius and power of prodcuer Bob Ezrin.  If you haven't heard of him, you might have of a few bands he produced including Peter Gabriel, Kiss, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Lou Reed, and even as diverse as Taylor Swift. 

By the time Killer was released, AC had pretty much become a media phenom mostly for scaring our parents thinking this was evil incarnate.  And who could blame them...  This guy sang to snakes on stage,  staged an guillotine executions, and was killing chickens, and slinging them into the audience .  It was all genius.  And many of us at the time realized the strategy.  Bands like Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple were my generation's signal to the previous ones that the hippy flower power era was over.  And this album perfecty incapsulated it with dark themes and crunching 4/4 rock and roll, that was played over and over and over in our youth.  I don't think many songs were sung about Dead Babies in the 1960's.

This one very much did prove that AC was not a one hit wonder.  All of his stuff from Love it to Death to Billion Dollar Babies are all classics, and excelelnt on their own merit.  It's only afterward that AC as Vincent Furnier put more into the stage show than the music.  Don't get me wrong, he made many great songs after 1973, but it is these four albums 1971-1973 (Love it To Death, Killer, Schools Out and Billion Dollar Babies) that among other events perfectly define and offically announce the death of the flower power era of rock.  This band's persona is also integral to future shockers like Kiss, NIN, Gwar,  Slipknot... and on and on.

Parsing the merits of "great" 4 is fun.  In each case you could argue that there is pure randomness in their madness.  But listening closely there are some underlying themeing that if listen closely can be discerned out.  But in each, you can count on some level of macrabe, humour, sickness, and allogorical social commentary.  And last, this 3rd discographic installment would not be comeplete, without a full double middle fingered salute to sham of a hall of fame that pollutes Cleveland.  Induction of this band did not take place until 2011. What a joke. Just think...  Rush didn't get there until 2013.  If there ever was a wish for where the one place on earth that a tornado would hit?.....   You get the point.

Fun Fact: John Lyndon of the Sex Pistols called this the greatest rock album ever made.  (Killer)

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Under My Wheels-  What a rollicking rock and roll ride.  Complete with sax, this all out jam session.  Every band member contributes at a high level.  There was good reason this was one of the bigger hits on the LP.  AC often used this one or Hello Hooray to open shows.  A good choice indeed.  1

Be My Lover-  The actual biggest hit on the LP.  Singulary written by Bruce.  Very simple chordal hooked add, that really got the band a hell of a lot of radio play.  Fresh and humourous.....  Works to this day.  2

Halo of Flies- Audacious and complex compostion that was nothing like the band had done to this point.  I can see Ezrin having a huge hand in its creation.  Old western rolling rthym that would be also be re-evidenced later in LP.  An interesting ode to the "espinoge fad" that was being seen more and more in the James Bond time of day. 6


Desperado-  Fabulous foray into the life of a gunslnger in the form of a rock song.  Song niclely alternates from balladry and rock like a glove.  Alice's voice is tonally lowered more than maybe any other tune he had ever done.  Strings included, this was really the outlier stylistically , but what. a classic  if you are into this band- 4

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You Drive Me Nervous-  In more of the tradional rocking Alice that you saw in earlier work.  A loved teen agnst has themes, and there was at least one installment of the theme on each album. 7

Yeah Yeah Yeah- More of a bluezy feeling tradional sounding rocker that was what music sounded like at the time.  As good as the song is, it just adds to the fact that the best music is on side 1.  Sans, some interesting Buxton/Bruce guitar/ AC harmonica interplay which makes the song interesting   8

Dead Babies-  Yeah, the shocking ballad that in the stage show littered the floor with bloody babies.  Disgusting, yeah?  Rocking?  Oh hell yeah.  But honestly, if you listen closely if could be made out to be a macrabe PSA for keeping poisons out of reach from children.  That's at least the way I read it.  5

Killer-  The signature song the band used in the Hanging part of their stage show.  From a stage production the song works fantastically, and augments well with the executioner's drop.  Fascinatiing how they morph the song from a spiralling despair into an execution.  Complete with drum roll, narrative, screaming, and finally the gallows drop. All with a haunting organ accompaniment and prayer. And even a a couple moments of the whirling of death.   Yes, AC was maybe the greatest rock showman of them all 3


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« Reply #1030 on: May 06, 2023, 10:51:10 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Tom Petty and Heartbreakers- Damn the Torpedos (1979) *** 1/2

There have been 3 rocker deaths in my life that felt like gut punches.  Lennon is 1980, Peart in 2020, and when we lost Tom Petty in 2015.  Tom Petty was that extreme rarity of a guy who had the longevity, and you knew what he gave you on an album, tape, or CD was going to be a solid effort.  Today's addition, though not his debut album, is the one that really put him on the map of what would (I hate using it too much) iconic status. 

When Petty hit the music world, it was right at the huge prepice and pinnacle of the time line, when disco died, punk was born, and the singer songwriting genre had gotten itself where it was really taking itself too seriously.  I remember back in the day some less knowledgeable critical musical punditry called Petty's work "Punk".  That moniker pissed him off royally, and he wasn't afraid to snap back at them. He hated that comparison, and for good reason.  Petty the only commonality with the genre was his timing.   Tom Petty IMO is the perfect blend of S/S standard rocker, who had an incredible gift of touching the psyche lyrically while rocking his ass off. If you had to characterized them it would probably have to be somewhat a blend of the Allman Rocking World and Bluesy tones with an very definite Byrds feel to it.  Wiki calls it Heartland Rock....   I guess that is pretty apt.

This particular album is special in that it is proabably what I call their last "rough edged" where it is more focused on balls to wall rock, than focusing on the art.  Don't get me wrong, that aspect of TP is outstanding, and I love how and singulary spectacularly albums like "Southern Accents" was delivered.   This is the Petty you would like and want to hear in a smoky bar room venue, versus the more polished, more pointed stuff that characterized his more commerical works.   No, he wasn't AOR driven, but he also knew some well placed decent hooking would satisfy the masses.

TP went through what I call 4 phases, with this ending his Bar Room era.   Second and mostly in the '80's was the MTV commerical phase, 3rdly in the '90's a return to a Byrdsy S/S time, and lastly ending with what call the retrospective. '00's.  But the point is like with all of the great bands, Petty. both with Heartbreakers and solo was always growing by telling their story in ways and means to make their fans happy.  And like I started......   Losing Tom Petty was a great loss in rock music. Even to this day

Damn the Torpedos with its grit, isn't totally perfect, and it does have a few weaker cuts.  Not that this any diss on him, but he and the band were churning out LP's like a factory.  When under those pressures, putting 8-10 great ones is almost impossible.  In an earlier review I sang the praises of Bob Ezrin as a legendary producer.  The one on this and other TP Jimmy Iovine is in the same category.  Petty learned a lot from him obviously, and took a lot technical and artisitic control as his career matured.   I also again have to give props to one of the greatest second fiddles in rock history too. ......   Mike Campbell.  Petty would have never reached his heights of success without him.

Fun Fact: Only LP with the Heartbreakers to break 3X Platinum. 3M U.S. Sales.


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Refugee- Arguably Petty's signature song. It is hard to thnk about the dawn of the '80's without hearing or remembering this great tune.  You have to really credit Iovine for creating what seems to be a much smoother feeling vibe on this and subsequent vs. the 1st two albums, which had a much more garage band feel to them.  Campbells searing slide is awesome at times.   1

Here Comes My Girl-  A tad off-blues-ish narrative like number.  I knew folks, who love this one.  Me not so much. 8

Even the Losers-  Band does a nice hooked well chord progesses song that, that is incredibly catchy.  Their Byrds influences are highly evidenced on this among others.  It also has some of my favorite Campbell work on it too. -  2

Shadow of a Doubt (The Complex Kid)- This sounds very much like their repitoire from the mid 1970's.  With again those Byrd twinged chord augments.   5

Century City- Rollick on Tom....   Almost a rockibilly kinda tune that has some chops.  Yeah side 1 has been rocking fun Mike shreds again.  3


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Don't Do Me Like That-  The second biggest hit on the album,  but personally it didn't do it for me.  Maybe overplayed?  Maybe his most overrated hit?  You decide.  6

You Tell Me- Some of that filler I described earlier.  No thanks. 9

What are you Doin' in My Life- Yeah, they rehashed some of the riff lines and meter from song "I Need to Know". Still one of the better fare of the album. 4

Louisiana Rain- Album ends weakly. 7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDLgt5rn7A


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« Reply #1031 on: May 07, 2023, 12:03:20 am »
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Nice review of Tom Petty.

I miss him.
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« Reply #1032 on: May 07, 2023, 12:12:58 am »
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Nice review of Tom Petty.

I miss him.

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Same here.  Enjoy what I believe is his last music video.  Unbelievably  beautiful, haunting and almost requiem feeling tribute to his mother and his life.   


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« Reply #1033 on: May 09, 2023, 12:32:07 am »
Tonight's classic live performance.

Found this gem from about 10 years ago.  Like I discussed on the one NIN review, this is not necessarily in many people's wheelhouse.  It screams darkness, despair, and is a mental overload of what a few might call a caccophony.  But as a musican, I have to give this effort 5 star props in its delivery, accuracy to originals, overall musicanship, and in it's pure talent of composition.  Reznor is the Poe of modern rock era.

Of course the warnings......  Very much NSFW, or not even in the least for children, teens or individuals and those who are photosensitive.  This  is a like a dark musical rollercoaster in the dark, where  and when you might not know what danger is involved. 

Excellent sampling of NIN's best, though strangely Closer, and Perfect Drug is missing.  and light and design visuals?  They are up there in Pink Floyd territory.


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« Reply #1034 on: May 12, 2023, 02:21:34 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Eric Burdon and the Animals- Winds of Change (1967) ** 1/2

Decided to bring one from the obscure depths of psychedelia. Not sure I ever remember hearing this as a 10 year old change in its entirety, outside the singles, but tonight's review takes among the most hard core of the genre.  At age 10, I am guessing that this hookless psychedlic LP would not have interested me.  I gave this one a listen about a week ago, and somehow lost the review before posting.  Which was disappointing.  After another listen this evening I decided it was worth sharing. 

The Animals and their frontman Eric Burdon, were in some ways a blue color UK  answer to the Beatles. They soon after reaching success almost became American fixtures.   Of course, they were no where even close in songwriting ability, but that didn't mean they make some fascinating stuff.  Almost on cue this band almost correlated their career from a Beatlemania theme straight to psychadelia.  No doubt, the Beatles were much more successful and effective in taking this genre to a much more melodic and pleasant way via Sargent Peppers and Magical Mystery Tour.  Still this one has some interesting moments. 

Yes, this was Burdon's foray into the groovy, far out, and ultra splashed colored drenched cultural  norm of the day.   For many it is not going to be listenable, but I found it significantly so strange and ecclectric that in some ways like a crashing car, you just can't help stopping and  listening.  From the bizarre to the strange, if you want an  extreme version of this genre, this is about as crazy as it gets.  I personally have never taken hallucogens but I can see those into that "trippin" lifestyle might like this  at a high level while listening.   It is very dated, but a wonderful example of the times.

The Animals did not sound like the Beatles, but their sound through their careers did take the approach but had that Stones type roughness.  They were big in their era, and this album gives a good look at that. A good bit of the album has more beatnick poetic tendencies.  Homage to roots is central to the a lot of the album, and that Beatnick persona of the very early '60's kind of infliltrates the feel of the album.

Fun Fact:  First album as Eric Burdon and the Animals.  Prior, they  only recorded as The Animals 

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Winds of Change-  Burdon starts the proceeding with a blasting beatnick like psychadelic narrative like homage to early greats, From early days  modern era of R&B and rock.  The whistling wnd blowing from speaker to speaker, and Burdon's readjustmet in vocal inflection is quite inoovative for the day.  The wooshing wind at the end, had to really have them trippin'.  2

Poem By the Sea- Very drug induced nonsensical song that I am guessing basically was chronicling a trip. Works well with album's theme.  5

Paint It Black- Cover of the Stones classic.  Nicely done, close enough to recognize, but the Animals gave it it a chaotic  psychadelic slant too.  6

The Black Plague-  Now for the utter strange and fascinating.  Not really a song, and in fact not even really a poem.  Just a very chilling and powerful vocal narraive of what 14th century Europe was like during the plague.  I know most will not like this but I loved it just on pure audacity, creativity, and historic value  The bells and chants almost fully immerse the listener into feeling they are there.  Almost lost within it is its pointed message at the end.    1

Yes I am Experienced- Ineresting part of the story of this response song is that almost came out simutaneously with Hendrix' classic.  Burdon delivers an almost a comical Dylan like response.  But of course, and with lots of psychadelic overtones.   Song over all seemed pointless, and really didn't deliver any message of substance that I guess it intended.  9

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San Francisco Nights-  Maybe the only one that really got any airplay on the LP.  Starts with a Dragnet like ditty, but narrates into what becomes almost an anthem like ode from the band of hippiedom.    For those of us who remember that era of Haight Ashbury, songs like this define the time, and are etched and entrenched into the fiber of that era.  If you listened to the radio in the mid '60's you will obviously remember this one.  3

Man-Woman-  Wow, Bongos booming, this yelling beatnick tripe sucks. Unlistenable....  And I am not kidding- 11

Hotel Hell- The strangenss returns, like a a psychedlic trip with a funky start blending into a spanish horn and guitar ballad that almost harkens a spagegtti western like sound. 8

Good Times- The off key tones I think are intentional in trying to create a humanly feel kind that contains that early '60's chordal progression.  Song is much more like a lot of the earlier '60's stuff.  7

Anything- More balladry, and not strong stuff.  Strings sound so hokey in this setting that is so off kiliter from the cutting edge psychadellastuff. 10

It's All Meat- Strong finish with another homage like bookended song. From an instrumental perspective,  the best work on the album.  Too bad some of the filler didn't at least work some stylistic pieces like this one addtionally 4


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« Reply #1035 on: May 12, 2023, 04:28:29 pm »
I have to agree with you about Burdon and the Animals. I liked a lot of the "hits" (We Gotta Get Out Of This Place, etc.) but was never into psychedelic music for the most part. Maybe because I've always been a wino and not really into drugs, lol. I had never heard this album and listened to a little of it. I'm sure it has artistic value but I'm not deep enough, even today, to appreciate it. At the time of it's release I would have been 14...definitely not able to appreciate it. That's not to say that I didn't praise it...to make myself sound older and more sophisticated. Burdon had a very interesting voice.


I also agree with your Tom Petty review. And as already been stated, I miss him.

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« Reply #1036 on: May 12, 2023, 04:31:54 pm »
I had no idea The Animals did a cover of “paint it black”

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« Reply #1037 on: May 12, 2023, 05:11:33 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Alice Cooper- Killer- (1971) *** 1/2

Sometimes the randomness of You Tube peaks my re-interest into some of the music of my youth.  This gem popped up a few days ago, and I will have to admit that this was first deep listen I had of the LP for decades.  I think it was pretty ground breaking for a few reasons, one....   it proved AC was not just schtick.  Yeah, the shock rock, glam, and productions got them a lot of attention, but this particular album showed that this band (pre-drugged out) has some damned good musical chops, and songwriting prowess.  Secondly, this is the one that this one  unleashed the genius and power of prodcuer Bob Ezrin.  If you haven't heard of him, you might have of a few bands he produced including Peter Gabriel, Kiss, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Lou Reed, and even as diverse as Taylor Swift. 

By the time Killer was released, AC had pretty much become a media phenom mostly for scaring our parents thinking this was evil incarnate.  And who could blame them...  This guy sang to snakes on stage,  staged an guillotine executions, and was killing chickens, and slinging them into the audience .  It was all genius.  And many of us at the time realized the strategy.  Bands like Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple were my generation's signal to the previous ones that the hippy flower power era was over.  And this album perfecty incapsulated it with dark themes and crunching 4/4 rock and roll, that was played over and over and over in our youth.  I don't think many songs were sung about Dead Babies in the 1960's.

This one very much did prove that AC was not a one hit wonder.  All of his stuff from Love it to Death to Billion Dollar Babies are all classics, and excelelnt on their own merit.  It's only afterward that AC as Vincent Furnier put more into the stage show than the music.  Don't get me wrong, he made many great songs after 1973, but it is these four albums 1971-1973 (Love it To Death, Killer, Schools Out and Billion Dollar Babies) that among other events perfectly define and offically announce the death of the flower power era of rock.  This band's persona is also integral to future shockers like Kiss, NIN, Gwar,  Slipknot... and on and on.

Parsing the merits of "great" 4 is fun.  In each case you could argue that there is pure randomness in their madness.  But listening closely there are some underlying themeing that if listen closely can be discerned out.  But in each, you can count on some level of macrabe, humour, sickness, and allogorical social commentary.  And last, this 3rd discographic installment would not be comeplete, without a full double middle fingered salute to sham of a hall of fame that pollutes Cleveland.  Induction of this band did not take place until 2011. What a joke. Just think...  Rush didn't get there until 2013.  If there ever was a wish for where the one place on earth that a tornado would hit?.....   You get the point.

Fun Fact: John Lyndon of the Sex Pistols called this the greatest rock album ever made.  (Killer)

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Under My Wheels-  What a rollicking rock and roll ride.  Complete with sax, this all out jam session.  Every band member contributes at a high level.  There was good reason this was one of the bigger hits on the LP.  AC often used this one or Hello Hooray to open shows.  A good choice indeed.  1

Be My Lover-  The actual biggest hit on the LP.  Singulary written by Bruce.  Very simple chordal hooked add, that really got the band a hell of a lot of radio play.  Fresh and humourous.....  Works to this day.  2

Halo of Flies- Audacious and complex compostion that was nothing like the band had done to this point.  I can see Ezrin having a huge hand in its creation.  Old western rolling rthym that would be also be re-evidenced later in LP.  An interesting ode to the "espinoge fad" that was being seen more and more in the James Bond time of day. 6


Desperado-  Fabulous foray into the life of a gunslnger in the form of a rock song.  Song niclely alternates from balladry and rock like a glove.  Alice's voice is tonally lowered more than maybe any other tune he had ever done.  Strings included, this was really the outlier stylistically , but what. a classic  if you are into this band- 4

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You Drive Me Nervous-  In more of the tradional rocking Alice that you saw in earlier work.  A loved teen agnst has themes, and there was at least one installment of the theme on each album. 7

Yeah Yeah Yeah- More of a bluezy feeling tradional sounding rocker that was what music sounded like at the time.  As good as the song is, it just adds to the fact that the best music is on side 1.  Sans, some interesting Buxton/Bruce guitar/ AC harmonica interplay which makes the song interesting   8

Dead Babies-  Yeah, the shocking ballad that in the stage show littered the floor with bloody babies.  Disgusting, yeah?  Rocking?  Oh hell yeah.  But honestly, if you listen closely if could be made out to be a macrabe PSA for keeping poisons out of reach from children.  That's at least the way I read it.  5

Killer-  The signature song the band used in the Hanging part of their stage show.  From a stage production the song works fantastically, and augments well with the executioner's drop.  Fascinatiing how they morph the song from a spiralling despair into an execution.  Complete with drum roll, narrative, screaming, and finally the gallows drop. All with a haunting organ accompaniment and prayer. And even a a couple moments of the whirling of death.   Yes, AC was maybe the greatest rock showman of them all 3


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I liked his music when I was younger and was in my 50's when we saw him perform at a local music hall.  No snakes but he did give a toned-down theatrical performance.  One of my favorite AC tunes is "Only Women Bleed" . "Eighteen" is another favorite of mine.

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« Reply #1038 on: May 12, 2023, 05:54:06 pm »
I think the only number of AC's that I really liked was You And Me Ain't No Movie Stars. I heard the song first and then discovered it was him.

I saw a documentary on him not long ago that earned him some creds with me. Without a doubt an interesting person.

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« Reply #1039 on: May 14, 2023, 05:17:34 pm »
I think the only number of AC's that I really liked was You And Me Ain't No Movie Stars. I heard the song first and then discovered it was him.

I saw a documentary on him not long ago that earned him some creds with me. Without a doubt an interesting person.

His recent rockumentary was one of the best I've seen of the type, with greate visuals, and insight of his life.  I was fascinated in his account of walkng into a party, and Hendrix, Morrison, and Joplin were ALL there.  How wild would that be.  To be friends with Dali, Warhol, Vincent Price, and on and on.....   What an incredible life.  I was able to find it on YT....


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« Reply #1040 on: May 15, 2023, 12:38:54 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- The Traveling Wiburys - Volume 1 (1988) *** 1/2

You will not get any argument from me that the Traveling Wilbury creation in 1988, did have a level of gimmricky to its inception.  But like I mentioned much much earlier in this thread, there might not have ever been a more talented compilation of songwriting talent in 25 square feet in rock history.  For those who may not remember this band...   Lets see....   George Harrison, Bob Dylan, Roy Orbison, Tom Petty, and Jeff Lynne.  I absolutely loved the concept of a traveling band, of psuedonymned no names operating in that vein and simplicity and artistic equality. 

Obviously I don't need to mention the accolades of these guys.  Everyone one them are legends in their own acts, and are absolute masters of songwriting.  What makes the album too so enjoyable, is that there isn't one band member who dominates the act.  It is an incredibly diverse  and pure colllaboration of 5 guys who in mutual admiration, realized they had a chance to create something special in the singer songwriting arena.  Almost all the songs are remarkably written and delivered, which with these 5 shouldn't have been much of a shock.  When you listen to the tunes, you can almost get an idea who the songwriting lead was, though it definitely was a full collaboation of all.

I do know also enjoy the couple of videos of the 5 guys all huddling around the mic.  Magic.  And I doubt we will ever be able to see that level of magic  ever again.  And as we all know, 3 of these 5 are dead, and Dylan is in his 80's.

Fun Fact:  Last contributive release of Roy Orbison before his dealth late in 1988.  His work and help in Vol. 3 are credited posthumously.  2 was cleverley skipped.  With such great talent comes idiosyncraisity,

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Handle With Care-  Signature tune of the band, and such a epic video with all 5 singing and harmonizing.  Definitely a Harrison driven song, with signature slide, but was fantastic Orbison chorus work.  1

Dirty World-  Automobile innuendo never sounded so cool.  Though this is a obvioulsy Dylan tune, this has so much hooked vibe than most of his earlier famous work.  Harrison difinitey had a hand too. 5

Rattled- Jeff Lynne runs this almost rockabilly like romp, with Petty backing nicely.  Nothing like ELO ever did.  6

Last Night- Petty's main contribution to the collection-   Actually love the masterful harmony,  5 legends in total sync.
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Not Alone Anymore-  Very very much a Roy Orbison song, that has a modern feel to his older stuff from the very early 1960's.  7

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Congratulations-  Slow rolling ballad led by Dylan, that has that endearing off key trademarked sound that made him an icon.  9

Heading For the Light- Light pleasant one that harkens back to a lot of the early to mid '70's solo work.  Fantastic.  When a guy like this often considered the 3rd best song writer of a band, just drives home how great of writers the Beatles were. 3

Margarita- Electronic oddity on this one,  Strangely though this sounds more like Harrison songwriting, Dylan took the vocals on this one.   Very quirky though it doesn't see to fit as well on the themed basis.  One of the stronger efforts. 8

Tweeter and the Monkey Man- Dylan nonsensical number.  Not the best effort of the guys.  10

End of the Line-  Other video effort that beautfully incorporates each's members by adding a verse to this classic. 2


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« Reply #1041 on: May 15, 2023, 01:19:14 am »
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I had this Album and really enjoyed it.

End of the line was a great song.
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« Reply #1042 on: May 15, 2023, 08:39:05 am »
@catfish1957

I had this Album and really enjoyed it.

End of the line was a great song.
@Gefn

At first I was really skeptical of this effort, from the gimmickry, commerical, and general intent.  And honestly, there isn't anyting here paricularly ground breaking musically.  But as time has passed, and the repuation of the participants are etched furhter, one can only just give full admiration to 5 guys who made history on each of their own merits, the come up with a clever concept of a band of rag tag brothers, who just wanna sing a few songs together for coins in the tin cup......  abd in their best folksy S/S manner.

In retrospect, it was historical, and in some ways though briefer, kind of like the "Outlaw effort" collaborative efforts we say in C&W in the 1970's.  No glitz, no glamor, just a few guys leaving their egos in the trunk and having a good time.

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« Reply #1043 on: May 15, 2023, 03:53:15 pm »
@Gefn

At first I was really skeptical of this effort, from the gimmickry, commerical, and general intent.  And honestly, there isn't anyting here paricularly ground breaking musically.  But as time has passed, and the repuation of the participants are etched furhter, one can only just give full admiration to 5 guys who made history on each of their own merits, the come up with a clever concept of a band of rag tag brothers, who just wanna sing a few songs together for coins in the tin cup......  abd in their best folksy S/S manner.

In retrospect, it was historical, and in some ways though briefer, kind of like the "Outlaw effort" collaborative efforts we say in C&W in the 1970's.  No glitz, no glamor, just a few guys leaving their egos in the trunk and having a good time.




It was always a little amazing to me that these icons could put ego aside and make music. But, even though I'm not a musician, the ones I know put making music above all. I figure there had to be a lot of security in themselves and admiration for the others involved. Like @Gefn I love End Of The Line. It makes me bob my head in time with the music, lol. Your analogy with the c/w outlaws is spot on.

As a kid, I had no use for Roy Orbison. But as an adult...boy did I have to walk that back!!!  He is the binding member of the Wilburys. His voice soaring above the others is pretty darn impressive.




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« Reply #1044 on: May 16, 2023, 02:35:14 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Emerson Lake and Palmer- Trilogy (1972) **** 1/2

In today's review of ELP's 4th album strangely called Trilogy, which I guess aligned with the number of band members instead of album enumeration.  Well maybe 3 if you consider Pictures at an Exhibiity a live album, but since it was all unreleased? Who knows.     This particular LP is  by prog standards is an absolute masterpiece, and heralded as groundbreaking and the band at its best.   By this time, I think Emerson as a composer had realized that the though they had put together a sound large, and dedicated following, something a little different  , though slightly less classical in style just might expand their fan base. 

ELP may have created the term pretentious in rock. Side one of Tarkus definitely set the bar on that trait.    As with most ELP works, there is nothing generally hook inducing, and Keith is a master composer and even a greater practioner on the keyboard. In fact if you look at lists giving accolades of who the greatest keyboard of rock in its entire history, you will find Mr. Keith Emerson generally at the top 90-95% of the time, and Rick Wakeman the other 5-10%.  But don't forget that this band is not entirly Emerson's showmanship.  I know a lot of detractors to ELP's work argue that the wizardry overwhelms the senses, and that most rock fans won't or can't releate.  Carl Palmer is easy at least in my book easy one of the greatest 3rd-6th drummers ever.  And Greg Lake's understated but solid fret work just give this band a body of work of near perfection.  I literally wore this and Brain Salad Surgery out during the 1970's.  This stuff was musican's music.  And again, I understand some don't get it, but in my little corner of love of music, it didn't rock, but it was wonderful for introspection of how a group of three. could formulate stuff on this level of complexity and greatness with such a great mix of power and finesse' . 

At least in my opinion Trilogy is one of two of the absolute great ELP albums.  Brain Salad Surgery is stronger in its compositional accumen, while Trilogy is more listenable.  Much more crisp, and really the one that propelled them into the supergroup category. No one ever came close to replicating their style, substance, and impact on their field of music. 

Fun Fact (s): (1) Trilogy was ELP's highest charting studio LP, hitting No. 5 in the U.S. (2)  Incredibly ELP did not have a platinum record. 0-9. 0-45 if you include live and compliation albums (3) This album (Trilogy) contains the only single that broke the U.S. Top 40 .  From the Beginning hit 39 that year.

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The Endless Enigma (Part 1)- Song has that dystopian like wastland field, kind of like a drama -sci fi vibe.  I am sure Emerson was partly use the song tone to give credence to that Enigma of the meaning of life's hypocricy.  Oc course plenty of Emerson wizardry (repeat for the rest of the album), and very powerful Lake vocal inflection. Easy to see why Emerson recruited their golden voice from K-Crimson. 4

Fugue- Very correctly named, as Emerson very masterfully conducts two counter melodic lines mid way through the tune.  I hope everyone realizes how difficult it is (was) to not only mentally picture this tough compostion, but being able to play?  Tough.  I also love the beautiful chimed section that sets the conversion from piano to synth.  Wow....  3

The Endless  Enigma (Part 2)- Pretty much the ending chorus of Part 1,  Lake hitting those high ones's is quite a feat.  . What a voice!!!!5

From the Beginning- I generally am not into ballads, but this one is special.  Again, their big hit, if big describes it. Lake and Emerson nail it in duo fashion.  Great vocals, spanish guitar, and a memorable synth solo closing this gem. 2

The Sheriff-  Kind of like Benny the Bouncer frm BSS, Emreson at least from POV, dropped a klunker. I always wondered why he did these kind of dittys, but he just did 'em just because he could- 9

Hoedown- Fantastic rendention of Copeland great work from Rodeo Suite, Emerson must really have like Copeland among the most of the modern composers, because he did a cover of of Dorvak's  New World Symphony too. I love that not only was Keith Emerson a master composer, he shared and got almost an entire generation into classical music too. 6

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Trilogy- Easlly one of my favorite compositions by ELP-  Song starts so beautifully and melodially, with absolutle. masterful concert like piano work.  Greg Lakes's voice is perfect in accompaniment.  This song would be great just from that level alone, but something mind blowinghappens along the way.  Abut 3 minutes in all hell breaks lose, into a mass chaotic synth explosion.  This is the genius of ELP at its best. 1

Living Sin-  I do have to say that stylisitically this is among the strangest tunes ELP every made.  There are aspects that are almost traditonally rocking, but Kieth ups the strange meter, that ony works marginally for me.  I do find that Lake's sinister voicing in it kind of clever though.  8

Abbadon's Bolero- From the abyss of relevelation folded into a  into a sync'ed and syncopated off variation Ravel's  structured classical work. Very innovation with many angles of buildup and climax, just like Ravel's  7



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« Reply #1045 on: May 17, 2023, 06:55:16 am »
First of all,WHY is there no general "Music Topic",and I have to invade Catfish's thread to post a music video?

Now,here is the song and musician I came online this morning to post. Anyone who hasn't listened to Mike Farris is missing out on a bit of Majic, and THIS is coming from someone who is NOT a devoted Christian fundie.

Music is music,and love is love,and NOWHERE is love better expressed than in music.

I hope you enjoy this as much as I do,expecially the "audience participation" part at the very end.

BTW,THE "AUDIENCE MEMBER PARTICIPATION MOMENT" I mentioned has somehow been edited out of the recording. It is a loss.



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« Reply #1046 on: May 17, 2023, 08:38:34 pm »
First of all,WHY is there no general "Music Topic",and I have to invade Catfish's thread to post a music video?



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« Reply #1047 on: May 25, 2023, 04:45:46 pm »
Don't know if it's considered Classic Rock but I gotta give some play to Ms. Turner.


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« Reply #1048 on: June 03, 2023, 12:03:54 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Led Zeppelin- Self Titled (1969) *****

I can proudly say now that I have now added 100 reviews, and figured I wanted a special one to mark the century mark.  And interestingly you might have noticed that  I have worked back in order from IV.  What makes this album so unique is not its quality.  Yes it's in the top 5, but honestly the guys had not worked out the formula just right until the tandem of III/IV.  What makes this album so incredibly special is its ground breaking status.  LZ took the Yardbirds fantastic blues sound  and slapped of an ultimate swath of sledgehammer hard rock.  It many ways they out Cremed Creme.  Where Creme had more controlled vocals, Plant added a wailing somewhat reminiscent of what Purple had just added to the Rock world.

Many have claimed that Zep really bastardized and stole the prior 20-40 years of U.S black rural blues, but I for one wholehearted disagree with this opinion.  Page though inspired took many of the covers and rehash into a unique feel that really was not anything coming from the Mississippi at any time.  Page's genius matching with a JPJ/Bonham epic bass/rhythm has rightfully vaulted them into GOAT status.  If you look at the 6 year and 6 album period 1969-1975 from I to Physical Graffiti, no band of the era matched the utter consistency and dominance of this band.   At least from my POV, Jimmy Page is why I wanted to pick up an electric guitar and hopelessly mangle his work. 

Stylistically, this one probably harkens the most to Page's Yardbirds Blues roots as subsequent ones. I very much am guessing that Page keenly observed that the sensation caused was being more around the hard rocking tunes than the blues like remakes.  Still, almost all of this album has considered to be classic cuts. Tunes from this album may not get the same volume of Classic Rock radio air play as those on II, or IV, but at least for me, this one has the charm and mysterious aura of being the "thing" that massively changed rock and roll, even to this day.

Fun Fact:  Supposedly this is the first album made that was sold only in Stereo.  All previous were at first all mono, then a mix.

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Good Times Bad Times-  Epic start for this band right of the gate.  Every band member shines in unison.  Solo has such a different feel and texture than almost anything else made in the 1960's.  Yes.  The 1960's were about to end, an not only did they start with a boom, this is the band that knocked the Beatles off the pinnacle of world's most popular bands- 4

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You-  Don't let the pleasant acoustic start to this classic (wash, rinse, repeat) fool you,  all hell breaks out in typical LZ bombastic fashion.  This tune get much airplay to the day.-  5

You Shook Me- Page is a huge Wiillie Dixon fan, and pays homage to this great song in a fine way.  I honestly think this is the most pure blues song that Zeppelin ever did.  Many Zep fans have this higher up the totem poll due to their love of the blues.  I was more into their rocking side. 9

Dazed and Confused-  The hallmark song, and an absolute perfect rock song.  Page may not have been up there with Hendrix in prehistoric ax wizardry, but Page had to be up there close in the vicinity.  Never gets old.  1

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Your Time is Gonna Come- This would be a classic for another band, but from the perspective of Zeppelin standards somewhat of a drop off.  7

Black Mountain Side-  Gaelic-ish acoustic that perfectly and in our minds into an abrupt fade into another of our LZ standard classics,  6

Communication Breakdown- Power chords hit you like a 2 x 4 behind the eyes.  Song also has one of my all time favorite Page solos.  This song made many coverts out their existing ax to a Les Paul, that is for sure.  2

I Can't Quit You Baby-  Epic blues LZ umber-  Harkening back to my earlier comment on my preference of rocking zeppelin vs. bluezy zeppelin, this listener prefers the heavy rocking   No knock on this one, it is big in their catalog.  Just my taste.  8

How Many More Times-  What a massively impactful conclusion.  Can not say enough of how many times this LP lingered in the ear waves of youth.  And in so many ways this is so amazing that an album so revered by fans in 1969, does not lose one iota of luster even almost 55 years later.  3


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« Reply #1049 on: June 03, 2023, 09:40:22 am »
Don't know if it's considered Classic Rock but I gotta give some play to Ms. Turner.


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