Cloth masks may not protect against omicron, report says

[libertybele]

Cloth masks may not protect against omicron, report says

Single-layer cloth masks may not provide adequate protection against the very infectious omicron variant of COVID-19, according to a recent Wall Street Journal report.

Many infectious disease experts noted people prefer cloth masks because they are more comfortable and fashionable to wear, but these masks can only block larger droplets of COVID-19, not smaller aerosols or particles that can also carry the virus.

The Mayo Clinic is now requiring all patients and visitors to wear surgical masks, N95 or KN95 masks, so if anyone wears a single-layer, homemade cloth mask or bandanna, they will be given a medical-grade one to wear over it, the report said.

Surgical masks block the COVID-19 virus through its polypropylene electrostatic charge characteristics, while N95 masks have a tighter mesh of fibers than surgical or cloth masks with also electrostatic charge characteristics, which allows the mask to be most efficient at blocking inhaled and exhaled particles.

The Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), however, still recommends N95 masks only for health care workers, advising people instead to wear instead cloth masks that have two (or more) layers of fabric that completely cover the face and mouth, fit ‘snugly’ against the sides of the face (without any gaps) that also has a nose wire to prevent air leaking from the top of the mask.

But Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, said, "If everyone is just wearing a cloth mask or just a surgical mask, it won’t make any difference" against the omicron variant.

"If you really want no exposure, you have to wear the right type of mask."
An N95 air filter mask..............

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cloth-masks-may-not-protect-against-omicron-report

[LegalAmerican]

They just can't stop with their B.S.   Common cold. 

[roamer_1]

Cloth masks may not protect against omicron, report says

Single-layer cloth masks may not provide adequate protection against the very infectious omicron variant of COVID-19, according to a recent Wall Street Journal report.

[...]

Surgical masks block the COVID-19 virus through its polypropylene electrostatic charge characteristics, while N95 masks have a tighter mesh of fibers than surgical or cloth masks with also electrostatic charge characteristics, which allows the mask to be most efficient at blocking inhaled and exhaled particles.

Fear Pr0n azzoles...

Look. The ONLY thing that will keep that bug ff you is a full pillsbury doughboy suit with hepa-filtered divorced air source... You know.... The kind of thing they actually use in a viral lab.

That's it. The rest is ALL bullsh*t.

Electrostatic charge is true - but it only lasts while the mask is dry. ANY moisture shorts out that electrostatic charge. So in the short term - The amount of time a nurse is liable to be in with a patient - the mask may be somewhat effective. What they don't tell you is that that nurse discards that mask right outside of that patient's door and goes to get a new one. Because by then, the mask is moist and any effect it has is gone. So for say 10 minutes or less, the mask has some effect.

The very same thing applies to an N95 mask. The N95 cert means that it is 95% effective at straining out particulates in the size range of .1-.3 microns. Viruses are way smaller than that - maybe .02 microns or so. Which is way better than a cloth or surgical mask, but still, nowhere near small enough filtering to actually filter our a virus.

AGAIN, they rely upon electrostatic attraction, which DOES have some effect, until it is wet.
SO LIKEWISE, an N95 rated mask - Mask meaning without an exhaust port - will only work until the mask becomes moist - literally minutes - and  then the mask must be discarded for a new one.

A full respirator with an N95 cert will do better/longer, simply because the exhaust port directs unfiltered exhalation OUT of the mask, rather than blowing it back through the filter (which is only on the intake in the case of an actual respirator) - Hence leaving the filter dry much longer than in the case of a mask - STILL understand - That respirator only works while the electrostatic value is present. If there is high moisture in the air you are drawing in - a rainy or high humidity day - then that electrostatic value diminishes very quickly, and the mask is not natively capable of blocking particulates the size of a virus.

So enjoy your relative safety behind your mask for the less-than-ten-minutes. Because after that, it ain't doing sh*t.

[libertybele]

Common cold?  Not. My daughter's co-worker who was in his 30's just died from COVID.  There are two variants still circulating; Delta and Omicron.  I have no idea if he had any underlying issues, but just that he was in his 30's.

Omicron is supposed to be less severe than Delta and Delta less severe than the original virus. 

But, who knows what you will come in contact with.

The KN95 and N95's aren't cheap and some places are sold out.  There's Amazon, but IMHO you don't know what you'll be getting ordering from them. I don't want some Chinese made mask.

I don't believe what Dr. Evil is telling everyone, but the virus is real and people are still getting sick and those vaccinated are still dying.

Everyone has to deal with it as they see fit.

[libertybele]

Fear Pr0n azzoles...

Look. The ONLY thing that will keep that bug ff you is a full pillsbury doughboy suit with hepa-filtered divorced air source... You know.... The kind of thing they actually use in a viral lab.

That's it. The rest is ALL bullsh*t.

Electrostatic charge is true - but it only lasts while the mask is dry. ANY moisture shorts out that electrostatic charge. So in the short term - The amount of time a nurse is liable to be in with a patient - the mask may be somewhat effective. What they don't tell you is that that nurse discards that mask right outside of that patient's door and goes to get a new one. Because by then, the mask is moist and any effect it has is gone. So for say 10 minutes or less, the mask has some effect.

The very same thing applies to an N95 mask. The N95 cert means that it is 95% effective at straining out particulates in the size range of .1-.3 microns. Viruses are way smaller than that - maybe .02 microns or so. Which is way better than a cloth or surgical mask, but still, nowhere near small enough filtering to actually filter our a virus.

AGAIN, they rely upon electrostatic attraction, which DOES have some effect, until it is wet.
SO LIKEWISE, an N95 rated mask - Mask meaning without an exhaust port - will only work until the mask becomes moist - literally minutes - and  then the mask must be discarded for a new one.

A full respirator with an N95 cert will do better/longer, simply because the exhaust port directs unfiltered exhalation OUT of the mask, rather than blowing it back through the filter (which is only on the intake in the case of an actual respirator) - Hence leaving the filter dry much longer than in the case of a mask - STILL understand - That respirator only works while the electrostatic value is present. If there is high moisture in the air you are drawing in - a rainy or high humidity day - then that electrostatic value diminishes very quickly, and the mask is not natively capable of blocking particulates the size of a virus.

So enjoy your relative safety behind your mask for the less-than-ten-minutes. Because after that, it ain't doing sh*t.

Thank you for the info @roamer_1

[roamer_1]

Thank you for the info @roamer_1

It really pisses me off... Because NONE of it works. Cloth, surgical, or N95... ALL bullcrap. A respirator with hepa rated filters is barely starting to be worthy of sanction.... But they recommend AGAINST respirators because of the unfiltered exhaust - which is the only reason why a respirator might be effective for a while.

Geez Louise... Lying bastards.

[LegalAmerican]

Fear Pr0n azzoles...

Look. The ONLY thing that will keep that bug ff you is a full pillsbury doughboy suit with hepa-filtered divorced air source... You know.... The kind of thing they actually use in a viral lab.

That's it. The rest is ALL bullsh*t.

Electrostatic charge is true - but it only lasts while the mask is dry. ANY moisture shorts out that electrostatic charge. So in the short term - The amount of time a nurse is liable to be in with a patient - the mask may be somewhat effective. What they don't tell you is that that nurse discards that mask right outside of that patient's door and goes to get a new one. Because by then, the mask is moist and any effect it has is gone. So for say 10 minutes or less, the mask has some effect.

The very same thing applies to an N95 mask. The N95 cert means that it is 95% effective at straining out particulates in the size range of .1-.3 microns. Viruses are way smaller than that - maybe .02 microns or so. Which is way better than a cloth or surgical mask, but still, nowhere near small enough filtering to actually filter our a virus.

AGAIN, they rely upon electrostatic attraction, which DOES have some effect, until it is wet.
SO LIKEWISE, an N95 rated mask - Mask meaning without an exhaust port - will only work until the mask becomes moist - literally minutes - and  then the mask must be discarded for a new one.

A full respirator with an N95 cert will do better/longer, simply because the exhaust port directs unfiltered exhalation OUT of the mask, rather than blowing it back through the filter (which is only on the intake in the case of an actual respirator) - Hence leaving the filter dry much longer than in the case of a mask - STILL understand - That respirator only works while the electrostatic value is present. If there is high moisture in the air you are drawing in - a rainy or high humidity day - then that electrostatic value diminishes very quickly, and the mask is not natively capable of blocking particulates the size of a virus.

So enjoy your relative safety behind your mask for the less-than-ten-minutes. Because after that, it ain't doing sh*t.

 

[jmyrlefuller]

The KN95 and N95's aren't cheap and some places are sold out.  There's Amazon, but IMHO you don't know what you'll be getting ordering from them. I don't want some Chinese made mask.

I've shopped several places in a 25-mile radius around here and nowhere have I ever seen anyone selling the N95 on a retail shelf at any time during this pandemic. Surgical and cloth are the only options I've seen, and their availability dropped dramatically back earlier this year.

The state of New York recently started a mass N95 distribution campaign. One of the counties around here posted a picture of the big box they were sent—with the prominent Chinese lettering right on the box. Yeah... no thanks.

I stopped wearing the cloth muzzles pretty much after December 2020, and even then it was only if the place I was shopping was both busy and in a higher-transmission location... and even then, I only ever used it in conjunction with a face shield. At least the shield stopped those water droplets that fly around or through any of those muzzles from going more than a few inches in front of my face... and you could still see my face as if I'm actually human... plus they still worked the same, wet or dry.

But now I'm seeing places rejecting the face shield as well. They won't be getting my business.

[LegalAmerican]

Common cold?  Not. My daughter's co-worker who was in his 30's just died from COVID.  There are two variants still circulating; Delta and Omicron.  I have no idea if he had any underlying issues, but just that he was in his 30's.

Omicron is supposed to be less severe than Delta and Delta less severe than the original virus. 

But, who knows what you will come in contact with.

The KN95 and N95's aren't cheap and some places are sold out.  There's Amazon, but IMHO you don't know what you'll be getting ordering from them. I don't want some Chinese made mask.

I don't believe what Dr. Evil is telling everyone, but the virus is real and people are still getting sick and those vaccinated are still dying.

Everyone has to deal with it as they see fit.

The thread is about Omicrom.  We will always have virus, flu's, common cold that can make some sicker than others.
A common cold, goes into your lungs and becomes pneumonia.  Remember "walking pneumonia'?  FLU'S are very bad.  Who told you it was covid? People have died from heart attack, cancer, diabetes...ALL SAID TO BE COVID.

CORONAVIRUS 2019...WE ALSO HAS 2018, 2017, 2016....

Then a mango and STERILE SWABS, sent to lab and came back positive for covid. There is no 'test' for covid.
I do like your last line.  I don't wear ANY MASK...I have so many given to me. I see a lot of smart people NOT WEARING ANY MASKS.  Virus will do what it wants. 

[roamer_1]

I stopped wearing the cloth muzzles pretty much after December 2020, and even then it was only if the place I was shopping was both busy and in a higher-transmission location... and even then, I only ever used it in conjunction with a face shield. At least the shield stopped those water droplets that fly around or through any of those muzzles from going more than a few inches in front of my face... and you could still see my face as if I'm actually human... plus they still worked the same, wet or dry.

But now I'm seeing places rejecting the face shield as well. They won't be getting my business.

Face shields don't work either. As a painter for many years, blowing highly toxic chemicals, I played with this sh*t every day.

Imagine an airplane wing. As it passes through the air, the under-side of the wing causes a roiling of the air which provides the lift.

That face shield is doing the exact same thing as you walk along... The convex front slip-streams through the air, while the concave side - the behinder side next to your face - actually draws the air in to roil right in front of you.

You want to start to think you have protection, that'd be a sealed face shield with a built in respirator... And that is really minimally effective. This stuff is all bullcrap.

[LegalAmerican]

It really pisses me off... Because NONE of it works. Cloth, surgical, or N95... ALL bullcrap. A respirator with hepa rated filters is barely starting to be worthy of sanction.... But they recommend AGAINST respirators because of the unfiltered exhaust - which is the only reason why a respirator might be effective for a while.

Geez Louise... Lying bastards.

 

[LegalAmerican]

Face shields don't work either. As a painter for many years, blowing highly toxic chemicals, I played with this sh*t every day.

Imagine an airplane wing. As it passes through the air, the under-side of the wing causes a roiling of the air which provides the lift.

That face shield is doing the exact same thing as you walk along... The convex front slip-streams through the air, while the concave side - the behinder side next to your face - actually draws the air in to roil right in front of you.

You want to start to think you have protection, that'd be a sealed face shield with a built in respirator... And that is really minimally effective. This stuff is all bullcrap.

    

People are afraid to...live!   

[Smokin Joe]

It really pisses me off... Because NONE of it works. Cloth, surgical, or N95... ALL bullcrap. A respirator with hepa rated filters is barely starting to be worthy of sanction.... But they recommend AGAINST respirators because of the unfiltered exhaust - which is the only reason why a respirator might be effective for a while.

Geez Louise... Lying bastards.

Cloth masks are generally ineffective against any variant. BSL-4 protocols would likely be, but no one is walking around in moon suits with powered air supplies on board like they do in the labs.

[mountaineer]

The secretary of defense has come down with the Covid. Hard to imagine how that happened.

[dfwgator]

No shit!

[roamer_1]

Cloth masks are generally ineffective against any variant. BSL-4 protocols would likely be, but no one is walking around in moon suits with powered air supplies on board like they do in the labs.

Exactly so. Nothing they recommend works at all. None of it.