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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2021, 07:56:46 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on December 13, 2021, 07:17:11 pm
So was I up until a couple of months ago..then my pc crashed and I had to buy a new one...I am afraid to upgrade to 11...whatever can happen will happen to me..lol
I was using Windows 10 at work and hated it, so we kept 7 even after buying a new computer which would have come with 10.
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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2021, 07:59:14 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 13, 2021, 07:53:37 pm
MS has changed that a bit... Nuke and Pave (or theoretically setup in win from thumb which MAY upgrade)... either way I guess (though I only KNOW nuke and pave) allows older procs - Mine is an old i7

Went in like budda - no hacks at all.

FOR SURE needs GPT formatting and UEFI... But that is all I did so far....

May turn on tpm and secure boot, but it updated fine and is working beautifully.

I hate it btw...

If I have to mess with the BIOS to get something to work that may not be all that much better than what I've got... I'll just leave well enough alone.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2021, 08:04:01 pm »
Quote from: andy58-in-nh on December 13, 2021, 07:59:14 pm
If I have to mess with the BIOS to get something to work that may not be all that much better than what I've got... I'll just leave well enough alone.

So far it is quicker, and smooth as black ice... But it ain't better... at least IMHO. Usability is way down. They moved every dang thing around and the start bar sucks.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2021, 08:34:29 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 13, 2021, 08:04:01 pm
So far it is quicker, and smooth as black ice... But it ain't better... at least IMHO. Usability is way down. They moved every dang thing around and the start bar sucks.

I've used True Launch for many years and really like it.

http://www.truelaunchbar.com/
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2021, 08:36:47 pm »
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I've used True Launch for many years and really like it.

http://www.truelaunchbar.com/

Yeah thanks... As a pooter tech, I have to learn to run this crap.  :shrug: :whistle: **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2021, 11:35:09 pm »
   W10 is suppose to be supported by MS for at least another 3 years, right?
   W11 is not a great learning curve from W10, IMHO, but i'm sticking with 10 for as long as i can.  My PC is getting a little long in the tooth, like me.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2021, 07:27:13 am »
My wife just got me a new laptop with windows 11 on it. Right off the bat, it refused a different browser, any browser. Took for ever to find how to cut that off. Appears in max security setting, which is how it comes set up, only microsoft software can be used. Reset that and everything is fine. It does not have a disk clean function at all. also, nearly impossible to find files in the new menu. Also, if you have pictures that just won't load, no matter what, that is also part of that max security setting.
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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2021, 08:48:59 am »
Quote from: ironhorsedriver on December 14, 2021, 07:27:13 am
My wife just got me a new laptop with windows 11 on it. Right off the bat, it refused a different browser, any browser. Took for ever to find how to cut that off. Appears in max security setting, which is how it comes set up, only microsoft software can be used. Reset that and everything is fine. It does not have a disk clean function at all. also, nearly impossible to find files in the new menu. Also, if you have pictures that just won't load, no matter what, that is also part of that max security setting.

Sounds like another new MS product where the primary value-add is the visual bling, but the functionality has been further castrated.

Methinks I will (a) keep my new laptop on the Win10 it came with, and (b) stay with linux going forward for newer OSes.  My next computer purchase just may be an ODM machine without any preinstalled OS, so I can put a fresh linux on it without having to pay for a Win OS I'll never use.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2021, 09:48:05 am »
I'd say go for it. I upgraded my gaming laptop to 11 and I've been pretty happy with it so far.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2021, 10:08:28 am »
Quote from: ironhorsedriver on December 14, 2021, 07:27:13 am
My wife just got me a new laptop with windows 11 on it. Right off the bat, it refused a different browser, any browser. Took for ever to find how to cut that off. Appears in max security setting, which is how it comes set up, only microsoft software can be used. Reset that and everything is fine. It does not have a disk clean function at all. also, nearly impossible to find files in the new menu. Also, if you have pictures that just won't load, no matter what, that is also part of that max security setting.

I use Firefox..does 11 support it..will it still be there after I  install W11?
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2021, 10:27:14 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on December 14, 2021, 10:08:28 am
I use Firefox..does 11 support it..will it still be there after I  install W11?

I installed 11 on a couple of our machines, and FF is still there and working.  Same for Chrome. 
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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2021, 01:04:05 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 14, 2021, 09:48:05 am
I'd say go for it. I upgraded my gaming laptop to 11 and I've been pretty happy with it so far.

It is smooth, and feels quicker... I will give it that.
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« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2021, 01:15:51 pm »
Quote from: ironhorsedriver on December 14, 2021, 07:27:13 am
also, nearly impossible to find files in the new menu.

YUP...

HATE the new start menu. Hate the 'widgets' menu. My start menu in win10 is 3 panels wide - The first panel is shortcuts I use all the time - ARRANGED AND GROUPED how I want them... The second panel is PIM widgets, large and wide - Email, calendar and todo... And the third panel has large calendar and picture widgets that are basically placeholders, because all around them are baby icons to utility things I access all the time. Editors, file managers, RDP, VNC, partition managers, Cmd box, and etc...

All that wonderful organized structure, immediately accessible by WinKey... and really, as far as I would nearly always need to go.... All arranged and organized in one place = ALL GONE.

I HATE the new menu.
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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2021, 01:17:34 pm »
   I've found that if you were getting around in W10 OK, you should be able to figure out W11.  Everything is still there but in typical MS fashion with the advent of a new OS they moved everything.  I just put a 92yo Woman comfortably on W11 and she was never considered a Power User.
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« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2021, 01:20:02 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 14, 2021, 08:48:59 am
Sounds like another new MS product where the primary value-add is the visual bling, but the functionality has been further castrated.

Methinks I will (a) keep my new laptop on the Win10 it came with, and (b) stay with linux going forward for newer OSes.  My next computer purchase just may be an ODM machine without any preinstalled OS, so I can put a fresh linux on it without having to pay for a Win OS I'll never use.

I keep threatening to turn this house Linux. And my business has been damaged enough that it is basically nonexistent... Maybe I will go where you are going...
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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2021, 01:35:13 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 14, 2021, 01:20:02 pm
I keep threatening to turn this house Linux. And my business has been damaged enough that it is basically nonexistent... Maybe I will go where you are going...

I set up an older laptop on linux mint 6 months ago, as a dual boot, and it is becoming my go-to machine except when I need to work on an MS Word document for work, in which case I use my new Win10 machine, or when I want to use CorelDRAW.  I haven't booted into the Win installation on the dual boot machine since I set it up.

Other than accessing MS Word documents, it's my view that there are linux distributions out now that (a) are ready for prime-time use by people who are not superusers, and (b) are fully supported by the group that put it together, so frequent updating takes place.

To be quite honest, one of the things that just finally turned me off to Windows was sitting there waiting for half an hour while it updated itself and installed the updates.  The linux machine, by contrast, which is a slower machine with an hdd instead of an sdd, and an old pentium processor, updates itself in minutes - even when it makes updates to crucial kernel software.

I would definitely recommend people give linux a try, at least on an old machine to see how they like it.
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« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2021, 01:57:36 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 14, 2021, 01:35:13 pm
I set up an older laptop on linux mint 6 months ago, as a dual boot, and it is becoming my go-to machine except when I need to work on an MS Word document for work, in which case I use my new Win10 machine, or when I want to use CorelDRAW.  I haven't booted into the Win installation on the dual boot machine since I set it up.

Other than accessing MS Word documents, it's my view that there are linux distributions out now that (a) are ready for prime-time use by people who are not superusers, and (b) are fully supported by the group that put it together, so frequent updating takes place.

To be quite honest, one of the things that just finally turned me off to Windows was sitting there waiting for half an hour while it updated itself and installed the updates.  The linux machine, by contrast, which is a slower machine with an hdd instead of an sdd, and an old pentium processor, updates itself in minutes - even when it makes updates to crucial kernel software.

I would definitely recommend people give linux a try, at least on an old machine to see how they like it.

I was a Slacker way back in the day... Been on Susi and RedHat. Wound up in BSD till Ubuntu came along... And from Ubuntu to Mint, which is my current fav.

I currently have no boxen in Linux. I could easily turn my TV machines Linux... But the rest would be tough so long as I stay in business. Not only do I have to operate Win in order to stay current as to the problems my clients will face, but the lion's share of tools are win oriented. A good portion of my business is (was, really) Hell Desk over the phone. The bricks and mortar of it is recovery work and OS repair. All of that is win oriented. I seldom get Linux calls, installs, or recovery, even though I am happy to help Linux along with my clients.

So... So long as I am trying to save my business, I will probably be forced to remain a Win house.  :shrug:

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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2021, 03:54:12 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 14, 2021, 01:57:36 pm
I was a Slacker way back in the day... Been on Susi and RedHat. Wound up in BSD till Ubuntu came along... And from Ubuntu to Mint, which is my current fav.

I currently have no boxen in Linux. I could easily turn my TV machines Linux... But the rest would be tough so long as I stay in business. Not only do I have to operate Win in order to stay current as to the problems my clients will face, but the lion's share of tools are win oriented. A good portion of my business is (was, really) Hell Desk over the phone. The bricks and mortar of it is recovery work and OS repair. All of that is win oriented. I seldom get Linux calls, installs, or recovery, even though I am happy to help Linux along with my clients.

So... So long as I am trying to save my business, I will probably be forced to remain a Win house.  :shrug:



Fair enough!!

At least one can always say that Windows puts food on the table!
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2021, 03:58:08 pm »
Okay I just downloaded W11 on Mike's laptop....tested it on his... :silly:

Worked perfectly...I will  do mine later or in the morning...
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« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2021, 04:04:52 pm »
Ultimately the work tools I use dictates what OS I use.
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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2021, 04:29:26 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on December 14, 2021, 03:58:08 pm
Okay I just downloaded W11 on Mike's laptop....tested it on his... :silly:

Worked perfectly...I will  do mine later or in the morning...
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Well, did you mandate this experimental activity or did you leave it up to Mr. Mike and his computer guru?   :silly:
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« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2021, 04:31:26 pm »
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Ultimately the work tools I use dictates what OS I use.

Very true.  I would probably go without Windows at all but for the fact that I still need access to MS Office software for work, and I don't want to have to shell out again for CorelDRAW.
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« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2021, 04:38:28 pm »
What about OpenOffice for Linux?

The newer Office file formats are xml, not binary, so they are more portable.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2021, 04:47:12 pm »
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What about OpenOffice for Linux?

The newer Office file formats are xml, not binary, so they are more portable.

I actually have LibreOffice on my linux machine; unfortunately, it doesn't always play nice with the MS Word generated documents.  There are still certain MS Word aspects that are not handled by LibreOffice.

Don't get me wrong, it's generally a good suite of tools, but when I open an MS Word document and try to do editing in it, sometimes the formatting gets messed up.  I look forward to the time that it can fully digest and write MS Word documents; then I'll be free of another MS constraint.
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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2021, 09:31:29 pm »
Quote from: DB on December 13, 2021, 08:34:29 pm
I've used True Launch for many years and really like it.

http://www.truelaunchbar.com/

Apologies... I spoke too soon. This thing may give me back some of the utility that has gone missing in Win11.

Thank you.  :beer:
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« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2021, 09:36:54 am »
Okay...I tried installing W11 and it wouldn't connect...I kept getting this

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/secure-connection-failed-firefox-did-not-connect

This doesn't make sense since I was able to install 11 on Mike's laptop with the same settings

Is this because I have FF as my dedicated browser?

These instructions are all Greek to me... :shrug:

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« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2021, 09:41:25 am »
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Okay...I tried installing W11 and it wouldn't connect...I kept getting this

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/secure-connection-failed-firefox-did-not-connect

This doesn't make sense since I was able to install 11 on Mike's laptop with the same settings

Is this because I have FF as my dedicated browser?

These instructions are all Greek to me... :shrug:



What website were you trying to connect to?
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« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2021, 09:54:53 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 15, 2021, 09:41:25 am
What website were you trying to connect to?

None...I got this error when it was downloading..
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« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2021, 09:56:17 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on December 15, 2021, 09:54:53 am
None...I got this error when it was downloading..

Downloading the W11 via firefox?
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« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2021, 10:03:16 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 15, 2021, 09:56:17 am
Downloading the W11 via firefox?

Nothing was open...I was on the start menu got the link to download...hit download and all this popped up
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« Reply #80 on: December 15, 2021, 10:11:38 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on December 15, 2021, 10:03:16 am
Nothing was open...I was on the start menu got the link to download...hit download and all this popped up

Hmmm, strange.  And also at the end of my very meager knowledge!  Hopefully one of the computer whizzes will be by shortly to help!  Sorry!
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« Reply #81 on: December 15, 2021, 10:51:04 am »
So...Firefox is halting the update, even though it's not running in the foreground.  It must be running in the background.  Curious.  I want to ponder this a bit.
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« Reply #82 on: December 15, 2021, 11:54:41 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 15, 2021, 10:51:04 am
So...Firefox is halting the update, even though it's not running in the foreground.  It must be running in the background.  Curious.  I want to ponder this a bit.

Well 2nd time was a charm...What I did this time was clean and clear cookies with ccleaner shut down..power up went straight to the start menu and downloaded it... :shrug:
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« Reply #83 on: December 25, 2021, 04:24:05 pm »
Well, I got put on a job with a brand new Win 11 'puter.

It is just similar enough to Win 10 to aggravate me. Previous drop down menus that I used in 10 require me to click on "other options" before I can do what took only one mouse click before. Seems like another step backward for efficiency-I don't like it.
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« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2021, 04:43:06 pm »
I'm getting the 11 push popups too.
Clicked on it just for no reason a few days ago.
Kept telling me that first I have to download this thing and that thing, before I can get the upgrade.
No way. Exit and reboot. Maybe it was real? Maybe it was a virus site.
Either way I see no need to go 11. Windows updates have a very bad reputation.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #85 on: December 25, 2021, 04:48:40 pm »
Quote from: 240B on December 25, 2021, 04:43:06 pm
I'm getting the 11 push popups too.
Clicked on it just for no reason a few days ago.
Kept telling me that first I have to download this thing and that thing, before I can get the upgrade.
No way. Exit and reboot. Maybe it was real? Maybe it was a virus site.
Either way I see no need to go 11. Windows updates have a very bad reputation.

CNET agrees with you in their review, Win11 doesn't offer much to folks that run 10.

But, nature will take it's course when they decide to not support W10.
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« Reply #86 on: December 25, 2021, 05:46:04 pm »
I humbly admit that I am the least computer literate member on this board.

I accidently installed Win11 when a pop up appeared and said install "install now or later". I naively thought there would be another option that would give me the control to do so. Nope...it installed "later" without my prompting.

I was content with Win 10. Win 11 has messed up the start, my wallpaper and Excell access.  8888crybaby

But I guess I'll learn to be tickled pink over it....eventually. Be cranky now or be cranky later!!! I don't like change. :laugh:
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2021, 06:37:24 pm »
Quote from: berdie on December 25, 2021, 05:46:04 pm
I humbly admit that I am the least computer literate member on this board.

I accidently installed Win11 when a pop up appeared and said install "install now or later". I naively thought there would be another option that would give me the control to do so. Nope...it installed "later" without my prompting.

I was content with Win 10. Win 11 has messed up the start, my wallpaper and Excell access.  8888crybaby

But I guess I'll learn to be tickled pink over it....eventually. Be cranky now or be cranky later!!! I don't like change. :laugh:

I don't like it either.  This machine, my main one, is still W10.  I have a couple of both.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #88 on: December 25, 2021, 09:16:43 pm »
Quote from: berdie on December 25, 2021, 05:46:04 pm
I humbly admit that I am the least computer literate member on this board.

I accidently installed Win11 when a pop up appeared and said install "install now or later". I naively thought there would be another option that would give me the control to do so. Nope...it installed "later" without my prompting.

I was content with Win 10. Win 11 has messed up the start, my wallpaper and Excell access.  8888crybaby

But I guess I'll learn to be tickled pink over it....eventually. Be cranky now or be cranky later!!! I don't like change. :laugh:

Thankfully, ALL of my W10 boxes are just old enough that they will not support W11 without some intervention on my part and that is not going to happen anytime soon.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #89 on: December 25, 2021, 09:30:35 pm »
Quote from: berdie on December 25, 2021, 05:46:04 pm
I humbly admit that I am the least computer literate member on this board.

I accidently installed Win11 when a pop up appeared and said install "install now or later". I naively thought there would be another option that would give me the control to do so. Nope...it installed "later" without my prompting.

@berdie
You CAN change it back... Settings=>Updates and Security=> Recovery

Should be a thing in there to revert to previous operating system...

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I was content with Win 10. Win 11 has messed up the start, my wallpaper and Excell access.  8888crybaby
But I guess I'll learn to be tickled pink over it....eventually. Be cranky now or be cranky later!!! I don't like change. :laugh:

Not me... had it on for about a week, and reloaded back to 10
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #90 on: December 26, 2021, 11:56:55 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 25, 2021, 09:30:35 pm
@berdie
You CAN change it back... Settings=>Updates and Security=> Recovery

Should be a thing in there to revert to previous operating system...

Not me... had it on for about a week, and reloaded back to 10



Thanks @roamer_1 . I'll save this info should I find that I just can't deal with 11. For now things are ok and I can see me really making a mess of things if I try to reload 10. Remember I said I'm illiterate, lol.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #91 on: December 26, 2021, 12:06:55 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 25, 2021, 09:30:35 pm
@berdie
You CAN change it back... Settings=>Updates and Security=> Recovery

Should be a thing in there to revert to previous operating system...

Not me... had it on for about a week, and reloaded back to 10
I see 11 as the new Vista...
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #92 on: December 26, 2021, 12:12:32 pm »
Quote from: berdie on December 26, 2021, 11:56:55 am


Thanks @roamer_1 . I'll save this info should I find that I just can't deal with 11. For now things are ok and I can see me really making a mess of things if I try to reload 10. Remember I said I'm illiterate, lol.

   That option in Win 10 (to revert back to Win 7) was only good for 30 days since initial install.  That may be in Win 11 also (30 day trail period). @berdie
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #93 on: December 26, 2021, 02:44:29 pm »
If before you upgrade to 11, you take an image backup of your system using a program such as Macrium, then you can restore back to that image at any time.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #94 on: December 27, 2021, 12:06:21 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 26, 2021, 12:06:55 pm
I see 11 as the new Vista...

Yeah... Not impressed with the fit and feel. There are some things under the hood that are pretty nice... It feels smoother, faster... DriverID seems to be even better. And I was surprised when it found unpaired bluetooth automatically and asked me if I wanted to hook it up... A simple yes, and there it was.

But fit and feel, it feels more like a downgrade. HATE the new start bar. Everything seems to take two or three more clicks... meh.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #95 on: December 27, 2021, 07:38:31 am »
Quote from: Elderberry on December 26, 2021, 02:44:29 pm
If before you upgrade to 11, you take an image backup of your system using a program such as Macrium, then you can restore back to that image at any time.

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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #96 on: December 31, 2021, 09:20:03 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 27, 2021, 12:06:21 am
Yeah... Not impressed with the fit and feel. There are some things under the hood that are pretty nice... It feels smoother, faster... DriverID seems to be even better. And I was surprised when it found unpaired bluetooth automatically and asked me if I wanted to hook it up... A simple yes, and there it was.

But fit and feel, it feels more like a downgrade. HATE the new start bar. Everything seems to take two or three more clicks... meh.
The start bar is crap, and I don't like the feel of it, not after the vertical bars of systems past. It has a phone feel to it, and I don't want my computer to feel like a phone, nor do I want my phone to take over what the  'puter does.

But it is the multiple click bit that aggravates me. I frequently rename data files to smooth importing them into other programs, and it takes two click to get to "rename" instead of just one. Every time is wasted time, and when it is crunch time on this job, every second can count. Also to get down to compressing or sending files in the option stack, it is the two click trip. You'd think they were in cahoots with the people who make computer mice, because that will cut the useful life of the mouse in half. (Yes, I have worn those little micro-switches out before, just as I have worn the letters off of keyboards.--E,C,L,A N, seem to go first...)
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #97 on: December 31, 2021, 01:00:41 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2021, 09:20:03 am
The start bar is crap, and I don't like the feel of it, not after the vertical bars of systems past. It has a phone feel to it, and I don't want my computer to feel like a phone, nor do I want my phone to take over what the  'puter does.


Yes, it is a  downgrade in usability for me - Though I am a menu hawg. Like I said, I use three panels on the start menu to organize my front end. All of that is completely GONE in 11... Which would not be bad if the thing they replaced it with - The widgets button (that now must take up very expensive real estate on my start bar), which is a feed tool rather than the simple widgets of win10... Designed around feed... I can't even get all of my PiM tools in there.  9999hair out0000

Now that Start is only minimally arrange-able, one is really limited to deep search of the menu, or a Win+R style of find\execute (which is my fallback) - I can do it alright - But I don't like it.

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But it is the multiple click bit that aggravates me. I frequently rename data files to smooth importing them into other programs, and it takes two click to get to "rename" instead of just one. Every time is wasted time, and when it is crunch time on this job, every second can count. Also to get down to compressing or sending files in the option stack, it is the two click trip. You'd think they were in cahoots with the people who make computer mice, because that will cut the useful life of the mouse in half. (Yes, I have worn those little micro-switches out before, just as I have worn the letters off of keyboards.--E,C,L,A N, seem to go first...)

I heard that alright! I am an RDP freak (Remote Desktop) which is also in the [...more] list. I also rename a lot. The new context menu is crap... And I wreck Ctrl, Win, C, V, R, and down-arrow. I wreck about  a keyboard per year on my main laptop and on my main whip desktop (which is actually KVM'd to three machines)... I HATE extra steps - Especially without need or reason.
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #98 on: December 31, 2021, 09:38:41 pm »
Sounds like I won't be converting my current Win10 system to Win11. 
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Re: Windows 11 (Poll included)
« Reply #99 on: January 01, 2022, 07:11:17 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 31, 2021, 09:38:41 pm
Sounds like I won't be converting my current Win10 system to Win11.
I wouldn't. I have a Win 10 and a Win 11 here at work, and I'd rather have two Win 10s. The Win 11 machine aggravates me for its inefficiency.
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