Arizona State Rep. Mark Finchem Calls for the 2020 Election Results to be Decertified Based on the P

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Gateway Pundit by Joe Hoft 9/28/2021

Arizona State Rep. Mark Finchem Calls for the 2020 Election Results to be Decertified Based on the Plethora of Evidence Identified in the Senate’s Audit

Arizona State Representative and future Secretary of State, Mark Finchem, calls for the 2020 Results in Arizona to be decertified.

Yesterday we noted that Rep. Mark Finchem is calling for audits of the remaining counties in Arizona after the results of the Maricopa County were released.

After listening to the plethora of evidence provided during the Senate’s presentation on Friday, Rep. Finchem called for the decertification of the 2020 Election results in Maricopa County in a tweet.

Mark Finchem for AZ Secretary of State
@RealMarkFinchem

After hearing the evidence in the Arizona Audit report I call for decertification of the Arizona election, arrest of those involved in tampering with election systems, and an audit of Pima County as a next step.

Rep. Finchem provided the following document to The Gateway Pundit to share.

[This is a summary of where Mark started.]

On November 30th, members from the Arizona House and Senate held a Public Hearing on election Integrity that gave the public an opportunity to present evidence and sworn testimony to the panel regarding the 2020 general election. The mission of the Public Hearing on Election Integrity was to, “prove or disprove alleged discrepancies in the 2020 General Election.” Hundreds of Arizona citizens submitted sworn affidavits, under penalty of perjury, to the panel detailing inconsistencies they encountered during the election process. Members of the panel found that the evidence presented was sufficient to justify further examination of our elections.  It was our duty, as elected officials, to listen to the testimony on November 30th and proceed with an investigation called for by tens of thousands of constituents from all over Arizona. The Senate moved forward with a forensic audit on December 14, with the results released on Friday September 24th.

Our focus from the November 30th hearing and since has been on transparency. We wanted to make sure our constituents had full disclosure regarding our elections. If they had questions, we would seek answers. Remarkably, our elections, both as a country and a state, have never undergone a full forensic audit before. We knew it would take time, but  accuracy was believed to be more important. If the audit showed no inconsistencies, then we could all move on. But, if the audit showed inconsistencies, we knew we would have to do everything in our power to find out what went wrong and develop solutions to address the problems.

One of our greatest freedoms of speech as citizens not subjects, is the right to vote. Having free and fair elections is the cornerstone of our democratically elected Republic. We owe our freedom to vote to every single veteran who fought for this country. Sadly, it is clear from the audit report released on Friday that our elections are far from fraud-free, fair, and secure.  With the information that has been presented, the only justifiable action is for our Attorney General to open a full investigation into the actions revealed in the Audit Report. The Arizona Legislature must also consider nullifying and reclaiming the 2020 Electoral College Electors.

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[HikerGuy83]

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[Hoodat]

Arizona should decertify their election results since it is now clear that their previous certification included illegal votes far in excess of the margin of error.  It won't change the national election, but it would go a long way towards restoring election integrity within its own State.

[DB]

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What is that emoji? Too small for me to see clearly... Hand on forehead?

[HikerGuy83]

Arizona should decertify their election results since it is now clear that their previous certification included illegal votes far in excess of the margin of error.  It won't change the national election, but it would go a long way towards restoring election integrity within its own State.

If your goal is to restore election integrity, I would agree.

If your goal is to restore it under the old system, I don't agree.

You can't have elections won by such razor thin margins using a system that is basically "sloppy".

It's like trying to measure parts per billion with an instrument that can't guarantee anything less than 10 parts per million.  It's meaningless.

We need systems that are robust, transparent and agreed upon from the start.  Then we need apparatus that can operated them properly so we can stay away from this kind of s**tstorm.

[HikerGuy83]

What is that emoji? Too small for me to see clearly... Hand on forehead?

Yes.

I can't import anything...have not figured out how.

[Hoodat]

Yes.

I can't import anything...have not figured out how.

@HikerGuy83

What do you want to do?  Import an image like this?

[LegalAmerican]

If your goal is to restore election integrity, I would agree.

If your goal is to restore it under the old system, I don't agree.

You can't have elections won by such razor thin margins using a system that is basically "sloppy".

It's like trying to measure parts per billion with an instrument that can't guarantee anything less than 10 parts per million.  It's meaningless.

We need systems that are robust, transparent and agreed upon from the start.  Then we need apparatus that can operated them properly so we can stay away from this kind of s**tstorm.

There is no razor thin, anything.  You just don't know

[Edited by Mod2 - please lay off insults of other members]

[LegalAmerican]

Arizona should decertify their election results since it is now clear that their previous certification included illegal votes far in excess of the margin of error.  It won't change the national election, but it would go a long way towards restoring election integrity within its own State.

 

[BassWrangler]

Yes.

I can't import anything...have not figured out how.

The emojis here suck. Hoping this will be an area of improvement in the next version of the forum software.

[DB]

Yes.

I can't import anything...have not figured out how.

If it helps, under [more] this site has this one in the emoji library:

[DB]

The emojis here suck. Hoping this will be an area of improvement in the next version of the forum software.

Hey, I like this one:
 

[BassWrangler]

If it helps, under [more] this site has this one in the emoji library:

My issue is I have a hard time visually identifying the emoji I want, even when I know it's there. I feel like I'm taking that pattern recognition test on the ASVAB again.

[BassWrangler]

Hey, I like this one:
 

That's my favorite too. It's not so much what emojis, as it is how hard it is (for me at least) to find them.

[HikerGuy83]

There is no razor thin, anything.  You just don't know and I believe have TDS.

Thanks for supplying all that back up for your assertions.

Made it real easy to understand the logic behind your conclusions.

[DB]

My issue is I have a hard time visually identifying the emoji I want, even when I know it's there. I feel like I'm taking that pattern recognition test on the ASVAB again.

It often takes me a few passes through them all to find the one I remember seeing, partly because many share similar colors. I don't know if that can be simplified without loosing some of them. And sometimes you need just the right one...

[HikerGuy83]

@HikerGuy83

What do you want to do?  Import an image like this?

Yes

[Hoodat]

@HikerGuy83

When you post, look for the little picture icon above the posting window.  Click that, and you will see in brackets (replace '{}' with '[]') {img}{/img}.  In between these, you copy and paste the URL of the image you are trying to post.

Better yet, click on Quote on my post, and look at the code.

[BassWrangler]

It often takes me a few passes through them all to find the one I remember seeing, partly because many share similar colors. I don't know if that can be simplified without loosing some of them. And sometimes you need just the right one...

Exactly. I do feel like the emojis themselves could be kept but presented in a way that makes it easier to find them. Maybe size them all the same and put them in a table with dividers. Or group them in some way, or provide a search.

Ideally it would be nice to have the animated GIF feature that they have on Twitter, combined with the standard emojis that are part of the Unicode standard.

[MajorClay]

Bump

[HoustonSam]

If your goal is to restore election integrity, I would agree.

If your goal is to restore it under the old system, I don't agree.

You can't have elections won by such razor thin margins using a system that is basically "sloppy".

It's like trying to measure parts per billion with an instrument that can't guarantee anything less than 10 parts per million.  It's meaningless.

We need systems that are robust, transparent and agreed upon from the start.  Then we need apparatus that can operated them properly so we can stay away from this kind of s**tstorm.

De-certifying an election conducted according to the old, sloppy system might go a long way toward creating a new, auditable, robust, transparent system.  But such a system will never be agreed on from the start - the Ds will never agree to a system that prevents them from cheating; they'll simply label it "racist".

R-majority legislatures should put in place new systems anyway.

[HikerGuy83]

De-certifying an election conducted according to the old, sloppy system might go a long way toward creating a new, auditable, robust, transparent system.  But such a system will never be agreed on from the start - the Ds will never agree to a system that prevents them from cheating; they'll simply label it "racist".

R-majority legislatures should put in place new systems anyway.

What crystal ball do you have that we don't that tells you how democrats will respond to securing election integrity ?

Please share.

[DB]

What crystal ball do you have that we don't that tells you how democrats will respond to securing election integrity ?

Please share.

You mean besides every attempt at securing voting to the actual registered voter along with securing the chain of custody of the ballot being fought tooth and nail by the Democrats every step of the way? Calling anyone who dares attempt to do so a racist among other things...

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

De-certifying an election conducted according to the old, sloppy system might go a long way toward creating a new, auditable, robust, transparent system.  But such a system will never be agreed on from the start - the Ds will never agree to a system that prevents them from cheating; they'll simply label it "racist".

R-majority legislatures should put in place new systems anyway.

Here is where i probably agree with the "Stop the Steal" crowd. I'm in favor of all new legislation to increase transparency, voter ID, etc. etc.

[HikerGuy83]

You mean besides every attempt at securing voting to the actual registered voter along with securing the chain of custody of the ballot being fought tooth and nail by the Democrats every step of the way? Calling anyone who dares attempt to do so a racist among other things...

Given the GOP's approach (including Trump's) I am not surprised at their responses.

So yes, you still need a crystal ball.

One of these days, extremists won't be leading the conversation.

[HikerGuy83]

Here is where i probably agree with the "Stop the Steal" crowd. I'm in favor of all new legislation to increase transparency, voter ID, etc. etc.

Decertifying the election would result in civil war.

That does NOT mean we should not be dong all possible to increase election integrity.

[Hoodat]

Decertifying the election would result in civil war.

That does NOT mean we should not be dong all possible to increase election integrity.

Decertifying the election in Arizona is the first step to increasing election integrity.  The election was fraudulent.  It should not stand.

[skeeter]

Decertifying the election would result in civil war.

That does NOT mean we should not be dong all possible to increase election integrity.

With attitudes like this we are doomed.

[Kamaji]

Decertifying the election would result in civil war.

That does NOT mean we should not be dong all possible to increase election integrity.

Nonsense.  Decertifying would, at most, result in a Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court would almost certainly say that it was far too late and that the decertification did not have to be given effect for federal purposes.

[HikerGuy83]

Nonsense.  Decertifying would, at most, result in a Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court would almost certainly say that it was far too late and that the decertification did not have to be given effect for federal purposes.

I'll give you that it is low probability.

It's probably a moot point. 

We'll soon be into the 2022 election cycle and this thing will start to die.

[Bigun]

Nonsense.  Decertifying would, at most, result in a Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court would almost certainly say that it was far too late and that the decertification did not have to be given effect for federal purposes.

What's the point of having a constitution if it isn't enforced? Let me remind everyone here that Texas vs Pennsylvania made no allegation of fraud. It raised constitutional issues only and SCOTUS, the court of original jurisdiction, refused to hear it.

[HikerGuy83]

What's the point of having a constitution if it isn't enforced? Let me remind everyone here that Texas vs Pennsylvania made no allegation of fraud. It raised constitutional issues only and SCOTUS, the court of original jurisdiction, refused to hear it.

Did you somehow just figure out that people are ignoring the constitution ?

It's only been going on since the mid 60's and the GOP is just as guilty. 

While I was not pleased with this, I am still behind this court.

Gorsuch
Kavennaugh
Barrett

All justify my vote for Donald Trump.

This country would be done if Hillary had been allowed to fill those seats.

[Bigun]

Did you somehow just figure out that people are ignoring the constitution ?

It's only been going on since the mid 60's and the GOP is just as guilty. 

While I was not pleased with this, I am still behind this court.

Gorsuch
Kavennaugh
Barrett

All justify my vote for Donald Trump.

This country would be done if Hillary had been allowed to fill those seats.

Ha! Ha! You are a really phunny guy!


But you are right it having been going on since the 60s if its the 1860s you're talking about!

[HikerGuy83]

Ha! Ha! You are a really phunny guy!


But you are right it having been going on since the 60s if its the 1860s you're talking about!

For sure since Roosevelt put his morons on the bench. 

Earl Warren will long be considered an enemy of the U.S. by me and others.

[Free Vulcan]

Decertifying the election in Arizona is the first step to increasing election integrity.  The election was fraudulent.  It should not stand.

I agree. The news media couldn't ignore it as it is central to their ongoing narrative.

Which means the facts can be put forth in the public debate that will result, and that will ripple heavily, maybe giving these state legislatures the push to increase voter integrity.

[Bigun]

For sure since Roosevelt put his morons on the bench. 

Earl Warren will long be considered an enemy of the U.S. by me and others.

Abe Lincon walked all over the constitution, and we built a huge memorial to him in D. C.

[HikerGuy83]

Abe Lincon walked all over the constitution, and we built a huge memorial to him in D. C.

We can certainly discuss how time has not been a friend to the basis for a truly great form of government.

Lincoln had many people helping him along the way.

On a different topic:

Ever read just how the states were strongarmed into passing the disgusting 14th amendment.

[HikerGuy83]

Back on topic.

Decertification might be the result of a good campaign.

Coming out and yapping about it up front only prepares the opposition for whatever this guy plans.

Seems pretty stupid to start out like this.

He clearly does not care about those who are not as strident as he is.

[Bigun]

We can certainly discuss how time has not been a friend to the basis for a truly great form of government.

Lincoln had many people helping him along the way.

Oh yeah! Many of them being the leaders of failed socialist revolutions that occurred in Europe around 1848 and fled to the USA to escape the hangman in their home countries.

On a different topic:

Ever read just how the states were strongarmed into passing the disgusting 14th amendment.

I've read many things you will never find in a public-school textbook. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Back on topic.

Decertification might be the result of a good campaign.

Coming out and yapping about it up front only prepares the opposition for whatever this guy plans.

Seems pretty stupid to start out like this.

He clearly does not care about those who are not as strident as he is.

OK, back on topic, and the "he" and "him" to which you refer is Mark Finchem.  I trust him a lot more than other people I know who claim to live in Arizona.

[HikerGuy83]

OK, back on topic, and the "he" and "him" to which you refer is Mark Finchem.  I trust him a lot more than other people I know who claim to live in Arizona.

Trust him in what regard.

I am not challenging his integrity.

I am saying it's pretty stupid to go right to decertification as an opening salvo.

It's like when Bush came out with privatizing Social Security.

Regardless of how you did or didn't like the idea...the messaging sucked and was poorly put together.

At first blush, this seems to be the same.

Don't argue the fact of the case....that is not my complaint.

My complaint is poor optics.

[Cyber Liberty]

Trust him in what regard.

I am not challenging his integrity.

I am saying it's pretty stupid to go right to decertification as an opening salvo.

It's like when Bush came out with privatizing Social Security.

Regardless of how you did or didn't like the idea...the messaging sucked and was poorly put together.

At first blush, this seems to be the same.

Don't argue the fact of the case....that is not my complaint.

My complaint is poor optics.

Anything that doesn't cave 100% to Democrats is bad optics. Get over that.

[HoustonSam]

I'll give you that it is low probability.

It's probably a moot point. 

We'll soon be into the 2022 election cycle and this thing will start to die.

I'm having trouble following your train of thought here @HikerGuy83. First you tell us we can't know how the Ds will respond to election integrity reforms, then you tell us that we can know and you are not surprised at their responses because of some extremism in the existing reform efforts, then you tell us that de-certification would result in Civil War, then you tell us no, that would be a low probability.

We know precisely how the Ds will respond to election integrity reforms because they are already doing so.  They called the GA State Legislature's reform bill "Jim Crow on steroids" and they broke quorum here in TX and left the state to try and prevent the State Legislature's reform bill.

Can you point to the specific provisions in those bills, or the specific legislative actions in drafting and passing those bills, that are consistent with - how did you say it again - something about "extremists leading the conversation?"  Do you know of some other moderate, non-extreme way to insure election integrity rather than having state legislatures pass reform bills?  I'd be interested in hearing the details of any better plan you have in mind, and I would certainly be interested in your plan to get the Ds on board to help out.

[HikerGuy83]

I'm having trouble following your train of thought here @HikerGuy83. First you tell us we can't know how the Ds will respond to election integrity reforms, then you tell us that we can know and you are not surprised at their responses because of some extremism in the existing reform efforts, then you tell us that de-certification would result in Civil War, then you tell us no, that would be a low probability.

We know precisely how the Ds will respond to election integrity reforms because they are already doing so.  They called the GA State Legislature's reform bill "Jim Crow on steroids" and they broke quorum here in TX and left the state to try and prevent the State Legislature's reform bill.

Can you point to the specific provisions in those bills, or the specific legislative actions in drafting and passing those bills, that are consistent with - how did you say it again - something about "extremists leading the conversation?"  Do you know of some other moderate, non-extreme way to insure election integrity rather than having state legislatures pass reform bills?  I'd be interested in hearing the details of any better plan you have in mind, and I would certainly be interested in your plan to get the Ds on board to help out.

Anything that doesn't cave 100% to Democrats is bad optics. Get over that.

I respectfully disagree.

In all my time in this process, I have found that people ignore the middle.

All the left needed to do was peel off a few republicans or indies in order to beat Trump and they were able to do that.

All we need is to peel off a few left of center democrats and we will win.

How you get them is the challenge.

[Bigun]

@HikerGuy83

I'm asking you respectfully and sincerely to give me your best explanation for what happened on election night last year all documented on this thread starting about 11PM

I'm 73 years old and never seen anything remotely like it before.

[HoustonSam]

I respectfully disagree.

In all my time in this process, I have found that people ignore the middle.

All the left needed to do was peel off a few republicans or indies in order to beat Trump and they were able to do that.

All we need is to peel off a few left of center democrats and we will win.

How you get them is the challenge.

Come on @HikerGuy83 , this sounds like Steve Martin's old routine "You can be a millionaire and never pay taxes."  "First, get a million dollars."

What exactly in the GA and TX reform bills was repellent to moderates and (I think imaginary) "peelable" Ds?  You said extremists are leading the conversation - please tell me precisely how extremists led these two specific actions, and what other actions would have been preferable.

[roamer_1]

Here is where i probably agree with the "Stop the Steal" crowd. I'm in favor of all new legislation to increase transparency, voter ID, etc. etc.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

Decertifying the election in Arizona is the first step to increasing election integrity.  The election was fraudulent.  It should not stand.

That's right. Butt there is no remedy at the federal level. I don't think there are mulligans offered. The AZ electors were bound, the results were certed. That's all folks! All you get now is to do better next time... And that should be the focus.

The only other function of decertification may be a recall of senators/congressmen according to a thrown-out election and re-do, not to mention all state offices that may have been effected - But I don't know if that is true according to AZ state law. 

[HikerGuy83]

That's right.

Agreed.

[HoustonSam]

That's right. Butt there is no remedy at the federal level. I don't think there are mulligans offered. The AZ electors were bound, the results were certed. That's all folks! All you get now is to do better next time... And that should be the focus.

The only other function of decertification may be a recall of senators/congressmen according to a thrown-out election and re-do, not to mention all state offices that may have been effected - But I don't know if that is true according to AZ state law. 

De-certifying probably would not change a single office and certainly will not change the POTUS outcome.  You’re right, AZ screwed up, full stop, and that’s the end of it.

But it would formally retract the consent of the state of AZ to have its EVs awarded as they were awarded.  It would further damage the credibility of the Biden admin and might encourage other state legislatures to reform.

I hope they do it.