It’s fake news that the Maricopa audit proves Biden won

[libertybele]

4x the margin of win in ballots that should have been disqualified - audited, actual evidence - well that's good enough for me. And I really don't give a crap who won or lost - I have no dog in this hunt. But I DO care about the process.

That is what is important.  The 'process' doesn't have a whole lot of integrity left to it.

[Hoodat]

Eh, lots of that going around. Seems only one "side" ever catches anything from it.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Catch anything from what?  Please be specific.  Who is the poster that did something that equates to what KevinDavis did, and what is it that he/she did?

Anyway, read the article, lots of room for improvement in the voting process, which I've always been in favor of. I still don't see any direct evidence of verifiable fraud.

So you don't have a problem with 50,000+ illegal votes deciding our elections?  Might as well own it, because that is EXACTLY what you are supporting.  But at least be honest about it.  Fraud is fraud.  You just happen to be someone who supports fraud.

[roamer_1]

The evidence is better than anecdotal, and I'm glad to see you on the audit threads.

Anecdotal, meaning various. I doubt this will end in a clear trail of malfeasance... Likely precinct heads will roll here and there... But no broad collusion will be found (IMHO). However, the evidence is clearly there, and it may force a more rigorous process from now on.

And that is no faint praise. That more rigorous process may well afford a more just conclusion little more than a year from now.

[roamer_1]

That is what is important.  The 'process' doesn't have a whole lot of integrity left to it.

Without verity there is nothing.   

[Polly Ticks]

That is what is important.  The 'process' doesn't have a whole lot of integrity left to it.

You'd think the democrats would be more interested in this facet of it, since they like to claim that Hillary won.  I have a feeling they will jump right back on that bandwagon the next time a Republican president is elected.

[Kamaji]

4x the margin of win in ballots that should have been disqualified - audited, actual evidence - well that's good enough for me. And I really don't give a crap who won or lost - I have no dog in this hunt. But I DO care about the process.

In this case, getting the process correct, and making sure that it is reliable, is the principal concern here. 

[skeeter]

Without verity there is nothing.   

Closely followed by real consequences for wrongdoing.

[Cyber Liberty]

You can lead a skeptic to evidence, but you can't make him think.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

In this case, getting the process correct, and making sure that it is reliable, is the principal concern here.

As I have been saying since before the audit was started, this is not about Donald Trump, this is about my vote being diluted.  For me, it's personal. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Well if it is worth anything to y'all, I was waiting for proof, and I am now satisfied.

That is music to my ears, @roamer_1!   

[roamer_1]

In this case, getting the process correct, and making sure that it is reliable, is the principal concern here.

That's right. Fair is fair.

[roamer_1]

Closely followed by real consequences for wrongdoing.

That's right. But don't expect too much... the bagholders will likely not be that important.

But it will put some rigor back in the process.

[roamer_1]

That is music to my ears, @roamer_1!   

I never was that far away @Cyber Liberty   

[Hoodat]

As I have been saying since before the audit was started, this is not about Donald Trump, this is about my vote being diluted.  For me, it's personal.

Same here.  I have effectively been disenfranchises by an illegal ballot that cancelled out my vote.  Or worse, my vote for one candidate has been marked as a vote for another candidate - a two-vote swing.

[skeeter]

That's right. But don't expect too much... the bagholders will likely not be that important.

But it will put some rigor back in the process.

yes and thank goodness for small favors.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
So you don't have a problem with 50,000+ illegal votes deciding our elections?  Might as well own it, because that is EXACTLY what you are supporting.  But at least be honest about it.  Fraud is fraud.  You just happen to be someone who supports fraud.

That's allegedly by this Cyber Ninjas group, it was their "audit". But if there is fraud, I need names, dates, allegations, specifics. People need to go to prison for this, if it's true.  Who directed this? Is this a conspiracy involving hundreds of people?

[Kamaji]

That's allegedly by this Cyber Ninjas group, it was their "audit". But if there is fraud, I need names, dates, allegations, specifics. People need to go to prison for this, if it's true.  Who directed this? Is this a conspiracy involving hundreds of people?

Ahh, so there's no fraud, no matter how evident or obvious the fruits of that fraud are, unless there are names and a blow-by-blow description of how that specific individual committed acts which led directly to the production of those fruits?

Wow.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Ahh, so there's no fraud, no matter how evident or obvious the fruits of that fraud are, unless there are names and a blow-by-blow description of how that specific individual committed acts which led directly to the production of those fruits?

 

Otherwise I won't be convinced this isn't just some made up sideshowed conjured by Maga types to console themselves that they actually lost the 2020 election, and Trump wasn't popular for many reasons that were his fault.

[Bigun]

In a banana republic, which the USA has now become, illegally cast ballots are just as valid as those cast illegally.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's allegedly by this Cyber Ninjas group, it was their "audit". But if there is fraud, I need names, dates, allegations, specifics. People need to go to prison for this, if it's true.  Who directed this? Is this a conspiracy involving hundreds of people?

That's cute.  You realize what we saw is a redacted document, right?  The one with names, faces and places has gone to the AG.  Patience!  Indictments, trial and convictions, in that order.

[Kamaji]

Otherwise I won't be convinced this isn't just some made up sideshowed conjured by Maga types to console themselves that they actually lost the 2020 election, and Trump wasn't popular for many reasons that were his fault.

In other words, you won't be convinced, period, because you don't want to be convinced.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

In other words, you won't be convinced, period, because you don't want to be convinced.

No I'd be convinced. Because if that evidence did appear they would be in prison already most likely. So convincing wouldn't even be a question.

[Cyber Liberty]

No I'd be convinced. Because if that evidence did appear they would be in prison already most likely. So convincing wouldn't even be a question.

"That isn't how this works!  It's not how any of this works!"  Indict > arrest > trial > conviction.  We are only just now getting the evidence because the Rats and RINOs have obstructed the Audit this long.  If that what it takes to convince you, well then fine.  Just know that's demanding prison without all those Constitutional niceties. 

How is that different than the average George Floyd Peaceful Protestors?

Let the AG do his thing before damning the entire endeavor.  It's not at all helpful.

[Kamaji]

No I'd be convinced. Because if that evidence did appear they would be in prison already most likely. So convincing wouldn't even be a question.

Right.  The way that Hillary Clinton is in jail for having transferred classified information on an insecure personal server, and provided access to classified information to people not entitled to see it (Huma's ex-husband).

The way that Joe Biden is in jail for tax fraud.

The way that .........

[AllThatJazzZ]

You'd think the democrats would be more interested in this facet of it, since they like to claim that Hillary won.  I have a feeling they will jump right back on that bandwagon the next time a Republican president is elected.

@Polly Ticks

Undoubtedly. And they will have all the help they need from the media. Were it not for the unscrupulous media, Dems would be held accountable for their dirty deeds. But let's not kid ourselves. Half of the electorate don't want any pesky truth in their media consumption. Just tickle their itching ears and they're happy.