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A few days ago, a Marine Lt. Colonel was forced out for making a public statement about something. Nowher near this level of malfeasance!

A Marine LTC was forced out for speaking the truth.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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A Marine LTC was forced out for speaking the truth.

Pretty clear where we are isn't it?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Pretty clear where we are isn't it?

It is and it's sad at the same time.

I'm proud of my service but at the same time disgusted by what I'm seeing going on by the people that led me.
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It is and it's sad at the same time.

I'm proud of my service but at the same time disgusted by what I'm seeing going on by the people that led me.

None of these worthless pukes was around when I was in uniform but that doesn't make it hurt one bit less!
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Question for those who've served recently:  how is this likely to be taken by the rank-and-file?  Are we likely to see more resignations and loss of trust in the command chain?
Are you asking if soldiers will care that they do not know which side of the ocean the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is on and supporting?

How is any soldier of any kind going to fight in Taiwan, when they do not know if the Generals are secretly supporting China?
Truth is, we do not know how much information or how many documents Milley has forwarded to China and other foreign countries.
The United States can forget any foreign intelligence or any alliances with anybody anywhere.

After calling the Taliban 'partners', leaving highly sensitive equipment and gigabytes of Top Secret information in Afghanistan, and then colluding with senior Chinese officials, American Intelligence Security is now considered compromised and transparent. It seems to be openly available to anyone who wants to know anything.

Nobody in the world is going to ally with America in the future, and certainly nobody is going to tell America anything Confidential or Secret. America is officially blackballed worldwide, based on gross "childlike" incompetence and lack of trust.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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From all this Woodward admitted evidence, shouldn't Miley be executed if these points are true? 
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None of these worthless pukes was around when I was in uniform but that doesn't make it hurt one bit less!

No it doesn't make it hurt any less.  I'm sure you...like myself...don't believe that just because we took the uniform off...doesn't mean we stopped taking our oath seriously.
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No it doesn't make it hurt any less.  I'm sure you...like myself...don't believe that just because we took the uniform off...doesn't mean we stopped taking our oath seriously.

Nobody ever released me from mine and I damned sure took it seriously!
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From what I know of General Milley, he will have a Great time in prison, convincing all the 'brothers and homosexuals' how WOKE he/she is.
Put his in GITMO with th3 next batch of Taliban we round up.

Seven Days in May comes to mind.
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Interesting emoji there @skeeter    :laugh:
me, passing out from disbelief. Vindeman? Things just can’t get any weirder.

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me, passing out from disbelief. Vindeman? Things just can’t get any weirder.

I responded to that POS on twitter.
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The way 'spying' works is, you only do it voluntarily once. You can bet your house the Chinese recorded, verified, and documented every call Milley made to them, as did all other intelligence services who happened to intercept it. After that first call, China (and possibly Russia and a few other countries) had Milley over a barrel.

Within a couple of weeks the Chinese would have approached him in some way and would have told him you will now do what we tell you do and you will tell us everything we want to know. If not, we will release the tapes.

Was Milley wearing a wire for the Chinese in his daily briefings and meetings, including with the President? Did he plant bugs here and there? That is a very real possibility. That is something foreign intelligence typically does when they snag a patsy. Milley may have been a friend of China, but it is guaranteed that China was NOT a friend of Milley.
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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From all this Woodward admitted evidence, shouldn't Miley be executed if these points are true?

Years ago he would have been hung or met the firing squad.... :smokin:
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The boundaries protecting our country keep being crossed in more extreme ways and no one is held accountable.

What the hell is next?
When Biden threatens the American People with nukes and F-15s and Generals colluded with other nations  and the Speaker of the House in their undercutting of a duly elected Commander in Chief, I think we have a problem.

We have had one since Brennan was appointed DCI.

As long as Milley has a job, we have a rogue military.
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So what awards metals and honors will be piled onto Milley?  Peace prize Medal of Honor Stars and Bars?

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Report: Mark Milley Told Military Officials Not to Take Orders After Capitol Riot

Kristina Wong 14 Sep 2021

Joint Chiefs Chairman Army Gen. Mark Milley single-handedly took top-secret action to preempt then-President Donald Trump from ordering a military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to a new book.

According to Peril by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, Milley was worried that after the January 6 Capitol breach, Trump could “go rogue” and called a secret meeting on January 8 with senior military leaders.

During that meeting, Milley instructed senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center to not take orders from anyone unless he was involved, according to a write-up of the book by CNN.

“No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I’m part of that procedure,” Milley told them.

“Milley considered it an oath,” Woodward and Costa wrote.

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If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that. #dotherightthingintherightway
Seriously, if there is no court martial for this a$$hat, there's no justice.
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https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1437863464144343050

If you knew he was crazy, then why didn't you initiate 25th Amendment proceedings against him?  That is the only authorized way to deal with a "crazy" President.  Anything else, including what you did, sir, is treason, and should be punished accordingly.

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When you've lost Vindman ...Seriously, if there is no court martial for this a$$hat, there's no justice.


Agreed.

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Gen. Milley’s next hearing on the Hill will be interesting. It’s about time he addresses these questions on the record.

It damned well better be the mother of all barbeque roasts, followed by a referral for prosecution for treason.

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When you've lost Vindman ...Seriously, if there is no court martial for this a$$hat, there's no justice.
Justice or no, the system will not be used in any way that may diminish faith in the fallibility of the ruling class and it will certainly not be used in a manner that might generate sympathy for the Bad Orange Man.

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"Ninety-nine percent of leadership failures are failures of character."
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I think we can see Milley's was 100% failure of character.

You don’t become cooler with age but you do care progressively less about being cool, which is the only true way to actually be cool.

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From all this Woodward admitted evidence, shouldn't Miley be executed if these points are true?
Along with conspirators in this treason. He did not do this alone.

And the post turtle in the White House was threatening us with 'nukes and F-15s' within months of this.
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Cavuto covering this now
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If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that. #dotherightthingintherightway twitter.com/washingtonpost…
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Report: Mark Milley Told Military Officials Not to Take Orders After Capitol Riot

Kristina Wong 14 Sep 2021

Joint Chiefs Chairman Army Gen. Mark Milley single-handedly took top-secret action to preempt then-President Donald Trump from ordering a military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to a new book.

According to Peril by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, Milley was worried that after the January 6 Capitol breach, Trump could “go rogue” and called a secret meeting on January 8 with senior military leaders.

During that meeting, Milley instructed senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center to not take orders from anyone unless he was involved, according to a write-up of the book by CNN.

“No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I’m part of that procedure,” Milley told them.

“Milley considered it an oath,” Woodward and Costa wrote.

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This is a testament to the raging paranoia (projection) of those behind the scenes: Democrats always accuse others of what they, themselves, either are doing, or in the worst case scenario, what they would do.

Milley, Pelosi, and no doubt a considerable cast of other high and low level conspirators are involved, and they are so convinced they have done "the right thing" undermining the Constitution, the Republic, the rule of law, the UCMJ, and National Security, they are bragging about it.

Why would they even risk going to these lengths to attempt to neuter a President?

BECAUSE THEY STOLE THE ELECTION.

Ans as long as Trump was still in power, they were at risk of being prosecuted.

But behind all that is the sense that this is all just next-level Kabuki theater, because for all the smoke and mirrors and flash and show, not one damned thing is being done about it.

Maybe Benedict Arnold was proud of his actions, too.
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Another Trump Appointment that Failed, Miserably.
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It damned well better be the mother of all barbeque roasts, followed by a referral for prosecution for treason.

WTF good is that going to do?

All they can do is posture and preen fo the cameras!
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   I take small comfort in the fact that unlike Gen. Omar Bradley, thoroughly modern milley wont get an automatic 5th star.
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WTF good is that going to do?

All they can do is posture and preen fo the cameras!

Lots of smoke and fury with no actual action.

Those in power are completely lawless now.

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WTF good is that going to do?

All they can do is posture and preen fo the cameras!
Never gonna happen anyway. Drawing public attention to this, unless its to paint Milley as a hero, undermines the 1/6 insurrection narrative.

Its gonna die a quick death in the media.
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That is almost the definition of an attempted coup.
If he, in fact seized power, it goes beyond "attempted", it is a de facto coup.

If Pelosi was aware of it and did nothing, she is a conspirator.
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Talk About a Coup: It Was Pelosi Who Pushed Milley to Act Against Trump
By Nick Arama | Sep 14, 2021 5:00 PM ET

There’s an incredible report that broke today about improper actions by Gen. Mark Milley after the Capitol riot.

According to the report, Milley tried to interfere with Trump’s ability to solely control a nuclear decision.

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“You never know what a president’s trigger point is,” Milley told his senior staff, according to the book.

    In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon’s war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.

    “No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I’m part of that procedure,” Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.

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If he, in fact seized power, it goes beyond "attempted", it is a de facto coup.

If Pelosi was aware of it and did nothing, she is a conspirator.
Although I always suspected it from the time I saw her tear up his SOU I knew for certain Pelosi was flat nuts.

The really scary part is SHE'S the one this moron, the Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff, listened to.

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Talk About a Coup: It Was Pelosi Who Pushed Milley to Act Against Trump
By Nick Arama | Sep 14, 2021 5:00 PM ET

There’s an incredible report that broke today about improper actions by Gen. Mark Milley after the Capitol riot.

According to the report, Milley tried to interfere with Trump’s ability to solely control a nuclear decision.

From CNN:
   
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That sounds to me like swearing in co-conspirators.
The entire group should be removed from command and placed under arrest, especially if no one piped up. If they won't honor their oath to protect and defend the Constitution here at home, how can we expect them to honor it anywhere.
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That sounds to me like swearing in co-conspirators.
The entire group should be removed from command and placed under arrest, especially if no one piped up. If they won't honor their oath to protect and defend the Constitution here at home, how can we expect them to honor it anywhere.

 :yowsa: The operative word being "should" I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
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That sounds to me like swearing in co-conspirators.
The entire group should be removed from command and placed under arrest, especially if no one piped up. If they won't honor their oath to protect and defend the Constitution here at home, how can we expect them to honor it anywhere.

Everyone that was in that meeting that concurred with what Milley was ordering…service member and civilian alike…needs to either be courts martialed or arrested by the FBI. 
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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That sounds to me like swearing in co-conspirators.
The entire group should be removed from command and placed under arrest, especially if no one piped up. If they won't honor their oath to protect and defend the Constitution here at home, how can we expect them to honor it anywhere.

The truth is we are in a post constitutional state now. We've gone way past constitutional limits for some time now. We're just to the point they don't have to pretend anymore and it is in your face. There's no "legal controlling authority" to rein any of it in anymore which has been on display in the extreme for at least the last year.

There is either revolt or surrender left.

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The truth is we are in a post constitutional state now. We've gone way past constitutional limits for some time now. We're just to the point they don't have to pretend anymore and it is in your face. There's no "legal controlling authority" to rein any of it in anymore which has been on display in the extreme for at least the last year.

There is either revolt or surrender left.

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So what? They will never be presented an opportunity to do so.  No different than what happened last November.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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So what? They will never be presented an opportunity to do so.  No different than what happened last November.
They'll more likely be drummed out.