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Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
By Meiling Lee
July 24, 2021 Updated: July 24, 2021


In an effort to help end the pandemic, an international coalition of medical experts is holding worldwide events Saturday to raise awareness about the effectiveness of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.

Organizers of the World Ivermectin Day say doctors and supporters of the inexpensive FDA-approved drug will host free online and public events in over a dozen countries.

Two nonprofits—Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance and the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) group—who have been campaigning for the off-label use of ivermectin to prevent and treat COVID-19 say the event’s focus is to let more people know that the antiparasitic drug can treat COVID-19, possibly end the pandemic, and help eliminate fear of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.

“We have an incredibly positive and uplifting message to share: ivermectin treats and prevents COVID and it is the key to unlocking the never-ending cycle of pandemic peaks and personal restrictions and will help restart economies,” Dr. Tess Lawrie, cofounder of the BIRD group said in a press release.

Lawrie is also a co-author of a peer-reviewed meta-analysis study published in the American Journal of Therapeutics that found ivermectin to be effective against COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP virus. Lawrie and her team concluded with a moderate level of confidence that ivermectin reduced the risk of death by an average of 62 percent, at a 95 percent confidence interval of 0.19-0.73, especially when prescribed early.

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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2021, 08:02:52 pm »
“We have an incredibly positive and uplifting message to share: ivermectin treats and prevents COVID and it is the key to unlocking the never-ending cycle of pandemic peaks and personal restrictions and will help restart economies,” Dr. Tess Lawrie, cofounder of the BIRD group said in a press release.
. Lawrie and her team concluded with a moderate level of confidence that ivermectin reduced the risk of death by an average of 62 percent, at a 95 percent confidence interval of 0.19-0.73, especially when prescribed early.


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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2021, 08:05:38 pm »
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2021, 08:06:03 pm »
I hope this isn't another one of these Jerome Corsi front groups.

The HCQ organization was a pathetic joke. But this group seems to have stronger credentials than that one, thankfully. I'm more bullish on ivermectin than certain other "cures" but no one drug is going to be a solution.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2021, 08:16:56 pm »
I hope this isn't another one of these Jerome Corsi front groups.

The HCQ organization was a pathetic joke. But this group seems to have stronger credentials than that one, thankfully. I'm more bullish on ivermectin than certain other "cures" but no one drug is going to be a solution.

Not sure why you would be opposed to ivermectin since its mechanism against the SARS-2 spike protein is the basis used for the mRNA vaccine.  Anti-parasitics have been recommended by our own NIH as viable treatments against SARS-1 and MERS for fifteen years.  But all of that got tossed out at the beginning of 2020.
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2021, 08:22:54 pm »
I hope this isn't another one of these Jerome Corsi front groups.

The HCQ organization was a pathetic joke. But this group seems to have stronger credentials than that one, thankfully. I'm more bullish on ivermectin than certain other "cures" but no one drug is going to be a solution.

 The latest Ivermectin study has been withdrawn. IMHO there is the possibility that so much money has been spent on COVID research and vaccines that  they won't allow  further studies on a simple drug like Ivermectin that has been used for years because it works.  It just may be a solution after all and Big Pharma may tweak the formula a bit and rename it.  ?? Who knows. What information to trust??

https://theconversation.com/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug-164627
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2021, 08:32:08 pm »
I hope this isn't another one of these Jerome Corsi front groups.

The HCQ organization was a pathetic joke. But this group seems to have stronger credentials than that one, thankfully. I'm more bullish on ivermectin than certain other "cures" but no one drug is going to be a solution.
You keep bringing up Jerome Corsi.
The National Institute of Health is hardly a Jerome Corsi front group, no matter how many times you try to dismiss my posts with that crap
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I'm not sure why, because every link I cited is in the NIH library or the British equivalent and is from an accredited medical journal.

Kindly stop denigrating sources you haven't read enough to know what they are.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2021, 08:36:16 pm »
ON ANNIVERSARY OF "WHITE COAT SUMMIT"
https://www.thepostemail.com/2021/07/23/americas-frontline-doctors-to-hold-second-presser/
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,443427.msg2464006.html#msg2464006

On Friday the organization “America’s Frontline Doctors” (AFLDS) issued an announcement in an email newsletter that it will be holding a press conference on Tuesday, the first anniversary of its “White Coat Summit” in which its physicians gathered on the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court to challenge the government and medical profession’s handling of the COVID-19 “pandemic.”

On Friday afternoon, founder Dr. Simone Gold, a physician and attorney, tweeted a brief video recap of the group’s rejection by the majority of the medical community and deplatforming from YouTube and other websites, including its website hosting company, after it took the unpopular position that COVID-19 could be treated on an outpatient basis with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin.

That position was taken early last year by Dr. Zev Zelenko, who claimed he treated numerous COVID-19 patients with success using the formula and was permanently silenced by Twitter.

“One year ago,” Gold, whose Twitter account was temporarily suspended earlier this year,

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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2021, 08:43:32 pm »
The latest Ivermectin study has been withdrawn. IMHO there is the possibility that so much money has been spent on COVID research and vaccines that  they won't allow  further studies on a simple drug like Ivermectin that has been used for years because it works.  It just may be a solution after all and Big Pharma may tweak the formula a bit and rename it.  ?? Who knows. What information to trust??

https://theconversation.com/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug-164627
Research on the ionophoric activities of Ivermectin, chloroquine, and hydroxychloroquine is well established. The efficacy of zinc also, in research on SARS and MERS. Suddenly, it isn't on Google, and is more difficult to find unless another search engine is used or you search for references found in the papers which have been published and are a matter of record. Google is no surprise, and they learned how to 'hide' information on the web from the Chinese long ago when they were partnered up with the CCP.
(They'd sell their souls for market share).

I have been digging into the origin and treatment of this virus in the medical journals since Trump mentioned HCQ and the MSM went on full assault, and found his comments on UV light had merit (pre antibiotics, treating a small percentage of the patient's blood with UV could kill enough of the pathogens to establish an immune response, and that whole direction toward treatment was more or less dropped, not because it was not effective, but because readily available antibiotics were a simpler, easier, and less expensive means of treatment). Not only that but there had been research into inhaling nebulized, dilute, hydrogen peroxide to kill pulmonary pathogens, too, with some success. Of course "sunlight" and "bleach" were bandied about dismissively by the MSM, but let's recall they were not interested in loooking into past medical research, only in making Donald Trump look bad.

If you are getting your medical 'knowledge' from ABCNNBCBS, you aren't getting any more than the narrative they want you to believe, and that likely is not only grossly incomplete, chances are much of it is wrong, too. They aren't doctors (either), they sell sensationalism and soap.
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2021, 09:11:08 pm »
Research on the ionophoric activities of Ivermectin, chloroquine, and hydroxychloroquine is well established. The efficacy of zinc also, in research on SARS and MERS. Suddenly, it isn't on Google, and is more difficult to find unless another search engine is used or you search for references found in the papers which have been published and are a matter of record. Google is no surprise, and they learned how to 'hide' information on the web from the Chinese long ago when they were partnered up with the CCP.
(They'd sell their souls for market share).

I have been digging into the origin and treatment of this virus in the medical journals since Trump mentioned HCQ and the MSM went on full assault, and found his comments on UV light had merit (pre antibiotics, treating a small percentage of the patient's blood with UV could kill enough of the pathogens to establish an immune response, and that whole direction toward treatment was more or less dropped, not because it was not effective, but because readily available antibiotics were a simpler, easier, and less expensive means of treatment). Not only that but there had been research into inhaling nebulized, dilute, hydrogen peroxide to kill pulmonary pathogens, too, with some success. Of course "sunlight" and "bleach" were bandied about dismissively by the MSM, but let's recall they were not interested in loooking into past medical research, only in making Donald Trump look bad.

If you are getting your medical 'knowledge' from ABCNNBCBS, you aren't getting any more than the narrative they want you to believe, and that likely is not only grossly incomplete, chances are much of it is wrong, too. They aren't doctors (either), they sell sensationalism and soap.

I am not basing my medical knowledge from any one group but reading here and there both the benefits of Ivermectin and HCQ. Past studies and current information (though largely currently discredited) I find more credible and trustworthy than the current information we are receiving on the vaccines.  IMHO their safety is questionable and I don't believe we are receiving accurate stats on side effects and mortality rates.

I will not get a vaccine that I don't trust.

The idea that wearing a mask outside to prevent the virus is better than breathing in fresh air and getting some sunshine to me is complete lunacy.    Most ER's in my area only allow patients in the facility, others must wait outside the facility. Many  medical facilities practice the same rule; patients only. If masks were so great, they'd be allowing others to accompany the patients.  IMO Breathing in germs/viruses that are trapped on a mask isn't healthy. So, where's even the logic  here??

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2021, 02:41:53 am »
I am not basing my medical knowledge from any one group but reading here and there both the benefits of Ivermectin and HCQ. Past studies and current information (though largely currently discredited) I find more credible and trustworthy than the current information we are receiving on the vaccines.  IMHO their safety is questionable and I don't believe we are receiving accurate stats on side effects and mortality rates.

I will not get a vaccine that I don't trust.

The idea that wearing a mask outside to prevent the virus is better than breathing in fresh air and getting some sunshine to me is complete lunacy.    Most ER's in my area only allow patients in the facility, others must wait outside the facility. Many  medical facilities practice the same rule; patients only. If masks were so great, they'd be allowing others to accompany the patients.  IMO Breathing in germs/viruses that are trapped on a mask isn't healthy. So, where's even the logic  here??
While the oil patch was shut down up here, I made some 4500 food deliveries, some "contactless" by request (mask, gloves, placed the order on a pedestal on the doorstep and stood off 6-10 feet to wait to retrieve the pedestal the food went on to keep it off the step/ground), and had to wear a mask for all deliveries (company policy). As soon as the delivery was over mask and gloves came off. The mask went on the dash to soak up some UV, unless the delivery was to the hospital or similar venue (especially where COVID testing had been done) and then both were discarded.

I got a lot of sunshine, plenty of exercise, and unless required did not wear a mask anywhere. I ate as much red meat as I could afford, and took a single Zinc supplement tablet daily.

The nonsense coming from Fauci (especially) and the CDC has damaged their credibility, but not so much as the absolute censoring of any mention of viable treatments, and the subsequent of control of the narrative through Fecebook, Twitter, and now the Associated Press, which is why most articles in the media will not mention any research which sheds a favorable light on the use of combned antiparasitics, macrolide antibiotics, and supplements to reduce the duration and severity of COVID-19 and even the noted prophylactic effect of the regimen.
Oddly enough, even commercials during the Cold and Flu Season (or at least when it usually was) did not mention zinc as a cold remedy, although the viral inhibition effects are well known and documented.
I must note in the abstract of the Nature paper (2015) they had found their chimera virus created from assembling a  Bat Coronavirus and a "mouse adapted SARS backbone" to be resistant to antivirals, but the absence of reference to antiparasitics indicates those were not tested against the chimera, a virus which attached to and entered the cell using the spike protein at the ACE2 site, and which attacked respiratory cells with vigour. (sure sounds like SARS-CoV-2 to me). Two of the researchers on that team (Xing-Yi Ge and Zhengli-Li Shi) were from the Wuhan Institute of Virology

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
 Compare the current abstract at the link (now "updated") with the original:

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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2021, 08:45:28 am »
LEFT-WING SOURCE ALERT - prepare for false statements and overly broad generalizations

How anti-vaxxers weaponized Ivermectin, a horse de-wormer drug, as a COVID-19 treatment
The right-wing obsession with the veterinary drug is a tactic to undermine COVID-19 vaccines, experts say
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Published August 9, 2021 7:16PM (EDT)
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In November 2020, a pre-print study touting the safety and efficacy of an anti-parasitic drug called Ivermectin was published on the Research Square website, a platform where scientific studies are submitted before they are peer-reviewed and accepted by a journal. The study, led by Dr. Ahmed Elgazzar of Egypt's Benha University, claimed that in a randomized control trial of nearly 600 people, hospitalized COVID-19 patients who "received ivermectin early reported substantial recovery."

In the search for a COVID-19 wonder drug, the preprint study seemed promising. But then, in July 2021, the paper was pulled "due to ethical concerns." Those concerns included alleged plagiarism and calculation of data points that were "mathematically impossible," according to The Guardian.

Despite the retraction, the anti-parasite drug is allegedly flying off shelves of local farmer supply stores, according to various local news reports who say some feed stores are struggling to keep it in stock. That's because the drug has become a political flashpoint, enveloped by the culture wars just like nearly everything else related to the pandemic.  ...

The obsession over Ivermectin, and its politicization, is curious from an economic standpoint. Unlike climate change denialism or other anti-science culture wars, there is no lobby group profiting off of Ivermectin sales to the extent that they might pull politicians' strings. So why have so many on the right seized on an unproven drug as a COVID-19 treatment?   ...
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2021, 04:16:34 pm »
LEFT-WING SOURCE ALERT - prepare for false statements and overly broad generalizations

How anti-vaxxers weaponized Ivermectin, a horse de-wormer drug, as a COVID-19 treatment
The right-wing obsession with the veterinary drug is a tactic to undermine COVID-19 vaccines, experts say
By Nicole Karlis
Published August 9, 2021 7:16PM (EDT)SALON
I guess there's a bunch of antivaxxers all over doing real research.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7564151/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

But then, they aren't out to take over the world...

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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2021, 05:30:02 pm »
Reports continue to come in.  Some very common 'drugs' are effective in preventing and treating COVID:

Ivermectin
Quercetin
HCQ
Zinc
Vit D, C, A

Simple enough to obtain. Easy enough to use.  Less risky. Less harm to the body and actually beneficial. 

I'll take my chances with the 'drugs' that have been around for quite some time and vitamins over the jab.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2021, 06:50:42 pm »
Reports continue to come in.  Some very common 'drugs' are effective in preventing and treating COVID:

Ivermectin
Quercetin
HCQ
Zinc
Vit D, C, A

Simple enough to obtain. Easy enough to use.  Less risky. Less harm to the body and actually beneficial. 

I'll take my chances with the 'drugs' that have been around for quite some time and vitamins over the jab.
That's where my research has taken me. Quercetin and the vitamins (and zinc) are off the shelf supplements. See the link to the Zelenko protocol in my post earlier for recommended dosages/durations.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2021, 06:59:51 pm »
I may stop at Tractor Supply tomorrow and see whether they have it. I read somewhere that the company's official line is to remind customers it's only for equine ailments. If they do, I'll earnestly assure them it's for my trusty steed Flicka. She's a palomino.  :whistle:
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2021, 07:44:40 pm »
This is what I've always used:



I currently have the 500ml bottle.

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2021, 08:01:51 pm »
I may stop at Tractor Supply tomorrow and see whether they have it. I read somewhere that the company's official line is to remind customers it's only for equine ailments. If they do, I'll earnestly assure them it's for my trusty steed Flicka. She's a palomino.  :whistle:

In the Tractor Supply stores that I have been in, there is just a sign posted near the products with that "warning."  No one says a word to you when you check out.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2021, 08:03:41 pm »
In the Tractor Supply stores that I have been in, there is just a sign posted near the products with that "warning."  No one says a word to you when you check out.
Same here.
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2021, 08:15:03 pm »
I may stop at Tractor Supply tomorrow and see whether they have it. I read somewhere that the company's official line is to remind customers it's only for equine ailments. If they do, I'll earnestly assure them it's for my trusty steed Flicka. She's a palomino.  :whistle:

I have a pony named Black Beauty.

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2021, 11:34:24 am »
I stopped by Tractor Supply today. They had all ivermectin products under lock and key with big written notices that it was not for human consumption. Couldn't find anything other than "pour on" ivermectin (no apple-flavored paste or anything else), so I may try Rural King.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2021, 09:19:16 am »
This is from the FDA. Why you shouldn't take ivermectin is because, um, we don't really know, but we hope to find out:
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Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

... When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe?

The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous. This is true of ivermectin, too.

There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong.

Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. ...
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2021, 11:04:31 am »
Yesterday, there were 821 Covid deaths that could have been prevented if our medical community embraced anti-parasitics as the primary coronavirus treatment (as it was from 2005-2019).
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2021, 11:14:00 am »
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32959892/
Looks like no one at the FDA is interested in reading the research.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2021, 11:16:40 am »
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2021, 11:17:49 am »
Looks like no one at the FDA is interested in reading the research.

Sadly, neither are any of the bureaucrats at NIH.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2021, 11:25:00 am »
Sadly, neither are any of the bureaucrats at NIH.

They are all on the Fauci/Gates payroll.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2021, 11:26:00 am »
They are all on the Fauci/Gates payroll.
And/or investors in Pfizer, J&J or Moderna, perhaps.
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2021, 11:33:25 am »
And/or investors in Pfizer, J&J or Moderna, perhaps.

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2021, 11:39:45 am »
I may stop at Tractor Supply tomorrow and see whether they have it. I read somewhere that the company's official line is to remind customers it's only for equine ailments. If they do, I'll earnestly assure them it's for my trusty steed Flicka. She's a palomino.  :whistle:

I have used Ivomec to  treat our pups for heartworm prevention for 25 years now.  Formula I use is 1 ml of ml diluted to 10 ml, with 1  ml of mix per 30 pounds of dog.  Administer monthly. Will save you tons of $ in pet pharma.

One point of concern to anyone wants to use this.  It is great for keeping fido from getting heartworms, but there is mounting evidence that it may be a cause of seizures.  And our last Bulldog (before this one) suffered from them, and I believe was the cause of his early death.

I would be highly highly cautious using ANYTHING not getting medical scruntiny for humans. I know I wouldn't personally take the stuff.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2021, 12:47:57 pm »
The odd thing to me about ivermectin research is that while (IIRC) health people in Oz pointed out a year ago or more that it might help hinder the infection process, research seems not to be happening. It's not like there's no profit in suddenly being able to sell billions more doses of the stuff!
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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2021, 01:20:08 pm »
Its not like the human use of Ivermectin hadn't been tested for years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective

Development of ivermectin for human use

In the mid-1970s, the global community mobilized itself to address the major problems of neglected tropical diseases. Following the setting up of the OCP in 1974, the UN-based Special Programme for Research & Training in Tropical Diseases (TDR) was established in 1975.20) Onchocerciasis, one of two filarial infections among TDR’s eight target diseases, was at that time a major public health problem affecting 20–40 million people in endemic areas. At exactly this time, a specialized novel anthelmintic mouse screening model in Merck’s research laboratories was identifying the avermectins in the microbial sample sent by the Kitasato Institute, of which ivermectin would become the most successful derivative.

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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2021, 04:57:44 pm »
Looks like no one at the FDA is interested in reading the research.
There is no money in a drug that is off the shelf and well beyond the date when it can be produced as a generic. Even the profits from the volume that could be used pales in the face of the profit to be made from regimens that can be administered only in a clinical setting, are under patent, and far more expensive.

Notably, considering Zelenko's protocol, and the Ivermectin protocol are three part regimens, few will study the effects of all three, in concert. There is some direct effect on the virus by either drug, but the ionophore effect is the key to efficiently stopping the virus, so long as sufficient Zinc is present.
None of the early studies damning HCQ used any zinc supplementation, for instance, and it was used on late stage patients when the virus had replicated, damaged the Type 1 pneumocytes, and the disease was well advanced. Only those with an ample amount of zinc in their systems could take advantage of the effect, those deficient likely did not gain benefit.

Just the thought that tens of thousands, if not more, might be around yet today...
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2021, 05:08:41 pm »
I have used Ivomec to  treat our pups for heartworm prevention for 25 years now.  Formula I use is 1 ml of ml diluted to 10 ml, with 1  ml of mix per 30 pounds of dog.  Administer monthly. Will save you tons of $ in pet pharma.

One point of concern to anyone wants to use this.  It is great for keeping fido from getting heartworms, but there is mounting evidence that it may be a cause of seizures.  And our last Bulldog (before this one) suffered from them, and I believe was the cause of his early death.

I would be highly highly cautious using ANYTHING not getting medical scruntiny for humans. I know I wouldn't personally take the stuff.
Dosages are weight based. Typical clinical dose is 0.2 milligrams per kilo of body weight. That may be different for dogs and horses, so if you were going to do so, you need to do the math working from the concentration of the material you have at hand. Yes, you can OD on it, like any other drug.
Humans have been taking it for decades, like Hydroxychloroquine, and suddenly doctors sound like its cyanide. Nonsense. Politically motivated, if not a profit motive, (or both) behind the ongoing medical establishment attacks on drugs that have been used for decades and are well understood in those contexts.
I'll stay in the control group in re the jabs, I have used Ivermectin and zinc when I got ill, and was well in a couple of days.
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2021, 05:17:03 pm »
Study Discovers Existing Drugs Are Effective Against Covid-19


...a new study from researchers at the University of Michigan reveals several drug contenders already in use for other purposes—including one dietary supplement—have shown to block or reduce Covid-19 infection in cells.

https://starnewsvip.com/2021/08/20/study-discovers-existing-drugs-are-effective-against-covid-19/
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Study Discovers Existing Drugs Are Effective Against Covid-19


...a new study from researchers at the University of Michigan reveals several drug contenders already in use for other purposes—including one dietary supplement—have shown to block or reduce Covid-19 infection in cells.

https://starnewsvip.com/2021/08/20/study-discovers-existing-drugs-are-effective-against-covid-19/

More science that the medical establishment chooses to ignore.
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2021, 05:25:26 pm »
More science that the medical establishment chooses to ignore.
I wonder, at the root of this phenomenon (aside from profit motives) is the concept that the medical establishment has missed the potential benefit of these drugs for years, and in so doing, done poorly for millions of patients. But then, anti bacterial research, oncology, and drugs to "combat aging" have been in front, and research on antivirals has been less attractive. Research interests move in waves, like fads, although that direction can be heavily influenced by breakthroughs.
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2021, 06:53:44 pm »
Dosages are weight based. Typical clinical dose is 0.2 milligrams per kilo of body weight. That may be different for dogs and horses,

The 1ml Ivermectim diluted to 10 ml, then 1 ml per 30lbs of dog weight orally was the formula given to me by a Vet 25 years ago.  Since we have had typically 1-4 large dogs through the years, I figure I have saved $1000's in heartworm prevention. 

But I get the point.  I would not feel comfrotable administering it to one of those little poof poof dogs.  These syringes are pretty accurate, but getting the dose that small might be dicey.
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2021, 09:23:05 pm »
The 1ml Ivermectim diluted to 10 ml, then 1 ml per 30lbs of dog weight orally was the formula given to me by a Vet 25 years ago.  Since we have had typically 1-4 large dogs through the years, I figure I have saved $1000's in heartworm prevention. 

But I get the point.  I would not feel comfrotable administering it to one of those little poof poof dogs.  These syringes are pretty accurate, but getting the dose that small might be dicey.

You can even drop that dosage way down for a monthly heartworm preventive.

If you compare to Heartguard, who's dosage is 6mcg/kg of Ivermectin. So for a 30lb dog the dosage would be 82mcg of Ivermectin, compared to your dosage of 1000mcg of Ivermectin.

.1ml of 1% Ivermectin contains 1000mcg Ivermectin.


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 Anti-parasite drug used on Arkansas jail's inmates for COVID
    Updated 2 hrs ago | Posted on Aug 28, 2021

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail have been prescribed ivermectin to combat COVID-19, despite warnings from federal health officials that the antiparasitic drug should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Washington County's sheriff confirmed Tuesday night that the jail's health provider had been prescribing the drug. Sheriff Tim Helder didn't say how many inmates at the 710-bed facility had been given ivermectin and defended the health provider the jail uses that has been prescribing the medication.

“Whatever a doctor prescribes, that is not in my bailiwick," Helder told members of the Washington County quorum court, the county's governing body. ...

The FDA has not approved its use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans.

“Using any treatment for COVID-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm," the FDA said in a warning about the drug. ...  KMOV, St. Louis
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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2021, 04:55:19 pm »
I wonder, at the root of this phenomenon (aside from profit motives) is the concept that the medical establishment has missed the potential benefit of these drugs for years, and in so doing, done poorly for millions of patients. But then, anti bacterial research, oncology, and drugs to "combat aging" have been in front, and research on antivirals has been less attractive. Research interests move in waves, like fads, although that direction can be heavily influenced by breakthroughs.

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Gate keepers must be gatekeepers. Anything less impugns their authority. Their authority comes first.
Authority is only a means to an end. At the end of that long, dark, hallway is a profit motive.

In this instance, they are not gatekeepers, but dogs in the manger.

A relative taking hydroxychloroquine for seven years, now, is having difficulty in getting prescriptions filled. This is for an ON label use for the drug.
Sources I have used for years for veterinary antibiotics suddenly no longer make them, causing shortages of antibiotics like doxycycline, erythromycin, Azithromycin, and others in the veterinary markets which may be of benefit and are noted as part of treatment regimens the medical establishment has been working to discredit.

Ivermectin dosages used in studies which found no benefit were multiples of ordinary clinical doses. Studies with more normal dosages found significantly better outcomes among the cohort who received treatment. 

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine dosages in studies which found little or no benefit were approaching, and in one case, exceeded toxicity limits--again, multiples of ordinary clinical dosages. Almost a guarantee of adverse effects, especially the lengthening of the Q-T interval to the point where impaired heart function can be lethal.

I must note that for any drug that may have harmful side effects, taking more is almost a guarantee that those harmful side effects will be seen, and occur in far greater frequency and severity than they would with normal dosages.
I am convinced that was done either out of stupidity or intentionally to discredit the concept of using those drugs as ionophores and antivirals. Considering those dosages are easily researched,  I am leaning toward intentionally, rather than mere medical incompetence which would be displayed in the journals for all to see.

In none of those overdosed studies was zinc supplementation administered, yet patients deficient in zinc have been shown to have less desirable clinical outcomes. Zinc has well known and documented antiviral effects.

While my experience with doctors has been mixed, some good, some bad, I can no longer trust the medical establishment nor the medical press for good information, but have to examine the studies myself.

There has been a concerted counter current against treatment options, which appears to have been designed to promote the mRNA shots, shots we are finding ineffective against variants. If reduction in severity and duration of infection can be achieved by an inexpensive and off-the-shelf treatment (and natural immunity acquired), the only reason not to use those means (aside from individual cases where the medication is contraindicated) is because those drugs are all generic at this point and there is no profit in it, unlike new alleged prophylactics which carry no liability and new treatments which are under patent and make money.

The result, aside from the biggest science fair project in history in which the willing are all human lab rats, is that those denied treatment have fared less well, and statistically, worldwide, over a million people have died who might well have recovered.

I will remain with the control group, and avoid the jab as long as humanly possible.

For those who buy into the population reduction theories flying about, that obviously isn't enough of a body count to significantly reduce the world's population, albeit enough to induce near universal fear, especially with the constant media incitement that has been the hallmark of the pandemic from nearly day one. 

To peek down that rabbit hole for just a second, what would be the end game to achieve that end?
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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2021, 12:10:30 pm »
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A relative taking hydroxychloroquine for seven years, now, is having difficulty in getting prescriptions filled. ...

Lupus? IIRC, HCQ is a standard treatment for lupus, and inability to get the needed meds will cause significant suffering.
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Anti-parasite drug used on Arkansas jail's inmates for COVID
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail have been prescribed ivermectin to combat COVID-19, despite warnings from federal health officials that the antiparasitic drug should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Washington County's sheriff confirmed Tuesday night that the jail's health provider had been prescribing the drug. Sheriff Tim Helder didn't say how many inmates at the 710-bed facility had been given ivermectin and defended the health provider the jail uses that has been prescribing the medication.

So prison inmates in Arkansas are being provided proven life-saving treatments that are being denied the rest of us.
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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2021, 08:02:58 pm »
Lupus? IIRC, HCQ is a standard treatment for lupus, and inability to get the needed meds will cause significant suffering.
RA, and yes, inability to get the meds will cause her untold suffering.

This is what happens when demagogues run the pharmacy industry.

Who knows how often this is being repeated across America?

All to deny people a treatment that works, if administered in nonlethal (not ridiculous, toxic doses multiples of known therapeutic dosages), with zinc and a macrolide antibiotic, at early onset.

I have linked studies here that were published in medical journals throughout this pandemic, good and bad. The ones which found little effect or howled about side effects administered dosages that were multiples of accepted dosages, (virtually guaranteed to produce "side effects" and toxic reactions), and did so without zinc supplementation, at the later stages of the disease.
Zelenko was right.
Ivermectin and zinc, with doxycycline if you can get it, work, too. I can attest to that.

The CDC and FDA can go to Hell for the misery and death they have inflicted--all  over politics, power, and money--and anyone who wants to bludgeon the American people into complying with these so-called "vaccinations" that don't work can go there with them.
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You keep bringing up Jerome Corsi.
The National Institute of Health is hardly a Jerome Corsi front group, no matter how many times you try to dismiss my posts with that crap
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I'm not sure why, because every link I cited is in the NIH library or the British equivalent and is from an accredited medical journal.

Kindly stop denigrating sources you haven't read enough to know what they are.

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Rand Paul: 'Hatred for Trump' blocking research into ivermectin as COVID-19 treatment
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) suggested researchers are not pursuing ivermectin as a possible COVID-19 treatment because of their disdain for former President Trump.

"The hatred for Trump deranged these people so much, that they're unwilling to objectively study it," Paul told dozens of constituents at a meeting in a suburb just south of Cincinnati on Friday, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.

"So someone like me that's in the middle on it, I can't tell you because they will not study ivermectin," the senator added. "They will not study hydroxychloroquine without the taint of their hatred for Donald Trump."

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warned Americans last week not to take ivermectin, a drug sometimes used to treat parasitic worm infections in humans and livestock.

"You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the FDA said in a widely shared tweet.
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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2021, 05:38:58 pm »
Rand Paul: 'Hatred for Trump' blocking research into ivermectin as COVID-19 treatment
By Dominick Mastrangelo - 08/30/21 10:31 AM EDT The Hill
Really? That's what passes for reasoned healthcare advice from the FDA?
Yep.  **nononono*

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Re: Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin Treatment for COVID-19
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2021, 08:55:33 am »
John Cardillo
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Dogs are prescribed Viagra for pulmonary hypertension.
Pfizer hasn’t told you that, have they?
The lies about Invermectin being only a horse dewormer are dangerous.
Many drugs are used by both doctors and veterinarians for a variety of reasons.
7:11 AM · Sep 2, 2021·
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