Mandatory vaccination for college students is a travesty

[Hoodat]

Mandatory vaccination for college students is a travesty

Thomas Lifson   |   June 27,2021

Many, if not most, colleges and universities are requiring students to be vaccinated before resuming classes in the fall.  The two largest university systems in the country, California State University and the University of California, both have mandatory vaccination policies.

But we have data that show this policy inflicts more harm than good on the young age cohort that attends college. Sundance at The Last Refuge explains:

According to the CDC data for every 100,000 young people vaccinated 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized.  Put another way, 200 young people will suffer side-effects that require hospitalization for every 100,000 vaccinations administered.  However, also according to the CDC data, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Four times the rate of hospitalization for vaccine side effects than for the virus itself. This is a classic case of the cure being worse than the disease, though we are finding other examples of this, including the horrendous cost of unnecessary lockdowns and school closures.  .  .  .

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/mandatory_vaccination_for_college_students_is_a_travesty.html


In the past, the decision to offer a vaccine has been weighed against the negative effects of taking that vaccine.  Today, this type of risk analysis has been completely done away with.  Vaccines are being crammed down our throats with zero consideration for their effectiveness, much less the effect it can have on those receiving them.  Big Pharma has taken control of our government health sector.

[jmyrlefuller]

That's all fine and good as long as we blatantly ignore the role those same college students had in superspreading the virus and kicking off the second wave last winter.

And citing sundance is probably the worst source, outside of Jim Hoft, you could rely upon. His math comparing adverse reactions per vaccination to hospitalizations per the entire population regardless of whether they've been exposed or not is dishonest.

I mean, we have a shot from Johnson & Johnson that, for men, the risk of serious adverse effects is practically zero. I know. I had it. We know that both the Pfizer and Moderna shots trigger stronger immune responses. Novavax is in the pipeline and from what I've seen, it has even more efficacy than Pfizer and Moderna, but with far fewer side effects.

But I see the same trolls who foisted Donald Trump upon us during the 2016 primaries now pushing anti-vaxxer propaganda—and I can't help thinking there is some nefarious false-flag machinations going on behind the scenes.

[Hoodat]

@jmyrlefuller

Uh, that wasn't anti-vaxer propaganda.  Those numbers came from the CDC.  If you want a vaccination, no one is standing in your way.  But on the flip side, no one should be mandating vaccines either.  And it is just plain wrong to force someone to accept a procedure that is four times more likely to put one in the hospital than not getting the procedure at all.

And for college kids bearing responsible for the second wave last winter, are you referring to the study from Computer Methods in Biomechanics and Biomedical Engineering?  In that study, less than half of the 30 towns studied experienced a hike in cases.

[thackney]

...to force someone to accept a procedure that is four times more likely to put one in the hospital than not getting the procedure at all...

Will you help me with a link to understand that claim?

@Hoodat

[Sighlass]

Will you help me with a link to understand that claim?

@Hoodat

The part about heart problems is discussed here...

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-reasons-for-concern-569

[Hoodat]

@thackney

According to CDC, the rate for adolescent hospitalization from Covid fluctuated between 0.6 and 2.1 for every 100,000 cases in 2021.  For the sake of argument, let's assume 1.5.  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm

For the first quarter, there were 204 hospitalizations and zero deaths.

I had seen the CDC numbers on vaccine risk somewhere on this board, but can't remember where.  I believe the numbers were 2 deaths and 24 hospitalizations.  I can't (and won't) vouch for the numbers in the lead article.  The source is given there.  Have at it.

Now where the real number crunch comes in is where you consider people who never would have contracted the virus, but still endured the risk of the vaccine.  Hard to do with only 30 days of trials.  But the CDC already acknowledges that people in this age group exhibit a far lower risk of infection than the general population.  They also acknowledge a far higher number of adverse reactions from it than is normally seen in other viruses.  Which to me indicates that they are not taking into account the safety of these children, but are instead getting them vaccinated to protect the adults - an argument that has already been made indirectly on this thread.

[Restored]

The heart problems can also occur from getting Covid.

[jmyrlefuller]

But the CDC already acknowledges that people in this age group exhibit a far lower risk of infection than the general population.

That's not even remotely close to being true. Low risk of adverse effects, yes, but they are among the most heavily affected by infections, contrary to your claims. And this goes worldwide. Twentysomethings are among the most responsible for the crisis as we know it.

[thackney]

But the CDC already acknowledges that people in this age group exhibit a far lower risk of infection than the general population.

That one is false.  Lower risk of a case severe enough to need hospitalization and much lower risk of death than those older, but the same risk of infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

[mountaineer]

The issue isn't whether Gen Z can get sick, it's making them choose between continuing their education or getting injected. A college near us is making it mandatory. Another, in response, has announced it will not require it.

[Hoodat]

That's not even remotely close to being true. Low risk of adverse effects, yes, but they are among the most heavily affected by infections, contrary to your claims. And this goes worldwide. Twentysomethings are among the most responsible for the crisis as we know it.

@jmyrlefuller @thackney

I should have said 'risk from infection' instead of 'risk of infection'.  My bad.

[rustynail]

Ohio Judge Makes COVID Vaccination Condition Of Probation

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ohio-judge-makes-mandatory-covid-vaccination-condition-probation#comment-stream

[mountaineer]

https://twitter.com/eb454/status/1416088041576271872

[DefiantMassRINO]

A college education is a privilege, not a right.

A college campus is a community.  The college is morally and legally responsible for providing a safe environment for all students and staff.

The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few or one.

[mountaineer]

In The Wrath of Khan (1982), well-known virus expert Spock says, "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

[rustynail]

#clotshot

[jmyrlefuller]

The issue isn't whether Gen Z can get sick, it's making them choose between continuing their education or getting injected. A college near us is making it mandatory. Another, in response, has announced it will not require it.

Making them choose between continuing the pandemic and ending it. I don't blame the colleges for taking responsibility and not letting their students choose "continue to make everyone around them sick because they have no self-control."

[Hoodat]

Making them choose between continuing the pandemic and ending it. I don't blame the colleges for taking responsibility and not letting their students choose "continue to make everyone around them sick because they have no self-control."

See?  This is the type of non-rational bullshit that pisses me off.  If everyone around them is vaccinated, then they won't get sick.  Duh. 

Either your vaccine works, or it doesn't.  If it works, then it won't matter how many sick kids you come in contact with.  If it doesn't work, then no one should get vaccinated.

[mountaineer]

Making them choose between continuing the pandemic and ending it. I don't blame the colleges for taking responsibility and not letting their students choose "continue to make everyone around them sick because they have no self-control."

Joe College is making no such choice.

[art.prout]

Joe College is making no such choice.

[libertybele]

See?  This is the type of non-rational bullshit that pisses me off.  If everyone around them is vaccinated, then they won't get sick.  Duh. 

Either your vaccine works, or it doesn't.  If it works, then it won't matter how many sick kids you come in contact with.  If it doesn't work, then no one should get vaccinated.

Right, either the vaccine works or it doesn't. I'm tired of the b.s. At first we were told masks were ineffective and now the mask mandates continues.  At first we were told that our youth wouldn't be affected by the virus and now they are mandating that they be vaccinated. We were told that the vaccine would be effective with little side effects; people are dying and people who are vaccinated are still getting COVID.  We were told that to flatten the curve we needed to shutdown everything for 30 days turned in to months and the a year for some states, social distancing of 4 ft., then 6 ft., some states are social distancing and some states are considering shutting down again because of Delta.

All I can say is, what the FAUCI?  I'm not buying what they continue to try to sell.

[PeteS in CA]

... We were told that the vaccine would be effective with little side effects; people are dying and people who are vaccinated are still getting COVID. ...

Someone already tried to guilt-trip me for pointing this out, but when serious side-effects are in the range of .009% of vaccine recipients, "with little side effects" is accurate, if not over-stating the degree of side-effects. Welcome to the real world!

"Breakthrough infections" are such a well know phenomenon that the term was coined long before Covid came around. Even if one ignores the fact that many new cases in the US since vaccinations first began in mid December, the plummet in daily new Covid cases here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , demonstrates that the vaccines have been effective. So as for breakthrough infections, welcome to the real world.

Also, three vaccines are in use in the US, not one. Three different vaccines from three different companies based on two different technologies.

Choose to get vaccinated or not as you wish (I have never supported mandatory general vaccinations), but at least be accurately informed.

[Fishrrman]

A Fishrrman modestly-fearless prediction:
So long as the communists remain in control (as they are now), mandatory vaccinations are an idea that -- if not yet here -- soon will be.

The options will be
- get the shot(s),
or
- have your life made quite miserable.

Choose.

[Hoodat]

The options will be
- get the shot(s),
or
- have your life made quite miserable.

Choose.