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Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border

The water crisis along the California-Oregon border went from dire to catastrophic this week as federal regulators shut off irrigation water to farmers from a critical reservoir and said they would not send extra water to dying salmon downstream or to a half-dozen wildlife refuges that harbor millions of migrating birds each year.

In what is shaping up to be the worst water crisis in generations, the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation said it will not release water this season into the main canal that feeds the bulk of the massive Klamath Reclamation Project, marking a first for the 114-year-old irrigation system. The agency announced last month that hundreds of irrigators would get dramatically less water than usual, but a worsening drought picture means water will be completely shut off instead.

The entire region is in extreme or exceptional drought, according to federal monitoring reports, and Oregon’s Klamath County is experiencing its driest year in 127 years. ............

https://www.foxnews.com/science/water-crisis-worse-oregon-california-border
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2021, 10:51:08 PM »
In 2019 all reservoirs were full, giving us 5+ years, for farms & residential.  But now...  **nononono*

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/ca-reservoirs-filled-to-top-in-2019-being-drained-by-state/
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2021, 01:21:30 AM »
In 2019 all reservoirs were full, giving us 5+ years, for farms & residential.  But now...  **nononono*

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/ca-reservoirs-filled-to-top-in-2019-being-drained-by-state/

I read that millenia ago, California was a desert, and will some day return to that.

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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2021, 05:53:26 AM »
I read that millenia ago, California was a desert, and will some day return to that.
Gee whiz. In geology class we heard that it was all seabed at one time, and will get back to that... :whistle:
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2021, 10:20:16 AM »
Gee whiz. In geology class we heard that it was all seabed at one time, and will get back to that... :whistle:

Well, one way or other, it's going down the tubes.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2021, 11:10:42 AM »
Gee whiz. In geology class we heard that it was all seabed at one time, and will get back to that... :whistle:

The Central Valley, maybe. The Coast Range Mountains, the Sierra Nevada, the Tehachapi Mountains, and the Siskiyou Mountains, no.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2021, 11:13:14 AM »
The Central Valley, maybe. The Coast Range Mountains, the Sierra Nevada, the Tehachapi Mountains, and the Siskiyou Mountains, no.
One thing about geology, sooner or later it all gets back to seabed. Some of it quickly, some of it one grain at a time.
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2021, 11:19:21 AM »
Is this because population centers (LA, SF) are ciphoning water from rural, upstream sources to sustain more urban areas?
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2021, 11:21:51 AM »
Is this because population centers (LA, SF) are ciphoning water from rural, upstream sources to sustain more urban areas?

Good question. Or is it irrigation for crops. I honestly don't know, but have wondered as well.

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2021, 11:30:03 AM »

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/ca-reservoirs-filled-to-top-in-2019-being-drained-by-state/

Actually reading the content of this link will answer questions about how & why water crisis is upon us - again.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2021, 11:33:52 AM »
Actually reading the content of this link will answer questions about how & why water crisis is upon us - again.

They're just letting it flow out into the sea?!? Is this that Delta Smelt enviro-whacko thing again?

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2021, 11:38:58 AM »
They're just letting it flow out into the sea?!? Is this that Delta Smelt enviro-whacko thing again?
Well, doggone it, they're smarter than the people who understood reservoirs retain water for dry years. They have PhDs.

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2021, 11:40:44 AM »
Well, doggone it, they're smarter than the people who understood reservoirs retain water for dry years. They have PhDs.

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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2021, 11:47:00 AM »
Good question. Or is it irrigation for crops. I honestly don't know, but have wondered as well.

They drained huge amounts of water to the sea to "protect the river wildlife"...

Another factor is they haven't maintained their reservoirs and were afraid it they had another wet year they'd fail. So the made room for what didn't come.

I also believe they've taken out reservoirs to return rivers to their "natural state" at the behest of environmentalists.

The Urban areas have the votes so the farmers and ranchers take the short end of the deal, over and over.

California is on the fast track to destruction.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2021, 11:49:07 AM »
They drained huge amounts of water to the sea to "protect the river wild life"...

Another factor is they haven't maintained their reservoirs and were afraid it they had another wet year they'd fail. So the made room for what didn't come.

Yep, that's exactly what that article that @Skull posted said. There's never any accountability for these crazy policies. We have an open loop control system.

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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2021, 01:02:15 PM »
Yep, that's exactly what that article that @Skull posted said. There's never any accountability for these crazy policies. We have an open loop control system.
As so often happens, people with advanced degrees use their credentials to beat people who know the land and the system into submission.
Unfortunately, an advanced degree is just a beginning of an education, not the whole picture, and those who do not recognize the value of 20, 30, 60 years of observations made living on the land and seeing what happens there (because agricultural success demands that or you fail), will consistently make decisions based on theory, not necessarily on observed and comprehensive data.

You can't get a feel for an ecosystem on weekend field trips unless you are there every weekend for years, and especially not if your focus is on one small aspect of that ecosystem and proving a thesis rather than truly studying what makes it tick.

So those academics are frequently working with a self-imposed failure to take all the data into account, an unfortunate part of the system of higher education that summarily discards 'layman' observations and denigrates common sense.
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2021, 01:21:51 PM »
Advanced degrees just validate that someone had free time, money, and was skilled at telling professors what professors wanted to hear.

There's many structural intellectual biases ingrained in academic institutions.  Tenure is a means to preserve intellectual regimes and insulate them from challenge or scrutiny.

Those same environmental fruit loops are hellbent on destroying the commerical fishing industries of the East Coast on the basis of theories, projections, models, and naked conjectures.  If the fisheries are in collapse, why are apex predators such as whales and Great White sharks making a comeback in New England waters?  Last Summer featured the first ever recorded (dare I say 'unprecedented'?) human fatality caused by a Great White shark in Maine waters.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-dead-shark-attack-off-maine-coast-officials/story?id=72020451
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2021, 05:25:36 PM »
I guess my local buddies will be heading back to the Central Valley from Texas again to drill water wells for the farmers.  They've made a fortune doing it....
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2021, 06:23:18 PM »
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In what is shaping up to be the worst water crisis in generations, the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation said it will not release water this season into the main canal that feeds the bulk of the massive Klamath Reclamation Project, marking a first for the 114-year-old irrigation system. The agency announced last month that hundreds of irrigators would get dramatically less water than usual, but a worsening drought picture means water will be completely shut off instead.

Water from the Klamath River watershed pours into the Pacific hundreds of miles north of SF Bay (and even more hundreds of miles north of the Land of LA). IOW, the delta smelt stupidity (thank you Federal courts!) and the Land of LA are both irrelevant to the news story that is the alleged topic of this thread.
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Re: Water crisis 'couldn't be worse' on Oregon-California border
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2021, 07:45:39 PM »
Water rights & wrongs cannot be isolated to one region of the West.  Fish & politicians are still involved today as they were years ago:

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This just couldn’t be worse," said Klamath Irrigation District president Ty Kliewer. "The impacts to our family farms and these rural communities will be off the scale."

At the same time, the agency said it would not release any so-called "flushing flows" from the same dam on the Upper Klamath Lake to bolster water levels downstream in the lower Klamath River. The river is key to the survival of coho salmon, which are listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. In better water years the pulses of water help keep the river cool and turbulent — conditions that help the fragile species. The fish are central to the diet and culture of the Yurok Tribe, California’s largest federally recognized tribe
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2021, 08:21:59 PM »
As so often happens, people with advanced degrees use their credentials to beat people who know the land and the system into submission.
Unfortunately, an advanced degree is just a beginning of an education, not the whole picture, and those who do not recognize the value of 20, 30, 60 years of observations made living on the land and seeing what happens there (because agricultural success demands that or you fail), will consistently make decisions based on theory, not necessarily on observed and comprehensive data.

You can't get a feel for an ecosystem on weekend field trips unless you are there every weekend for years, and especially not if your focus is on one small aspect of that ecosystem and proving a thesis rather than truly studying what makes it tick.

So those academics are frequently working with a self-imposed failure to take all the data into account, an unfortunate part of the system of higher education that summarily discards 'layman' observations and denigrates common sense.

Yes, hands-on experience is often worth a lot more than academics, and a smart academic will listen and not dismiss something because it's not coming from another PhD.

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2021, 12:48:55 AM »
I guess my local buddies will be heading back to the Central Valley from Texas again to drill water wells for the farmers.  They've made a fortune doing it....

The central valley is literally lower in elevation by 30 feet in some locations due to pumping of ground water.

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2021, 05:26:42 AM »
Yes, hands-on experience is often worth a lot more than academics, and a smart academic will listen and not dismiss something because it's not coming from another PhD.
Keep in mind that the smartest academics commonly gravitated toward industry rather than a Government job in a lot of fields.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2021, 10:51:53 AM »
Keep in mind that the smartest academics commonly gravitated toward industry rather than a Government job in a lot of fields.
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2021, 11:45:37 AM »
Katy Grimes has more bad (but predictable) news about CA water lords' incompetence:

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/facing-dry-year-ca-state-water-board-is-draining-californias-folsom-lake-reservoir/

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Following the Globe article Friday about the state draining reservoirs even with the dry year California is facing, we noted that California’s largest reservoirs less than two years ago were absolutely teeming with water from 107% to 145% of average. Water expert Kristi Diener said California’s reservoirs held enough water in 2019 for everyone who relies on them for their water supply, for 7 years.

A longtime friend of the Globe, Graig Gottwals, an attorney and professional bass fisherman, reported another infuriating aspect of the draining of California reservoirs – specifically Folsom Lake in the Sacramento region.

“I’ve lived near and bass fished Folsom for 17 years now,” Gottwals said. “Beginning roughly 10 to 12 years ago, the state decided that whenever the lake dropped under 400 feet in elevation, boaters had to abide by a 5 mph speed limit.  This was for purported safety reasons – more of the bubble wrapping of America.”
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