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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #500 on: March 16, 2021, 05:39:43 pm »
*sigh* its ALWAYS about 'Tumpy'.

Ain't it though? I will be happy when the board has less articles about him than everything else. I do not understand the infatuation.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #501 on: March 16, 2021, 06:36:05 pm »
Ain't it though? I will be happy when the board has less articles about him than everything else. I do not understand the infatuation.

You will never understand as long as you consider it an "infatuation."   :shrug:
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« Reply #502 on: March 16, 2021, 07:05:01 pm »
You will never understand as long as you consider it an "infatuation."   :shrug:

Can't be seen as anything else.  :shrug:

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« Reply #503 on: March 16, 2021, 07:06:53 pm »
Can't be seen as anything else.  :shrug:


...by people afflicted with your psychosis.   :bolt:
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #504 on: March 16, 2021, 07:10:19 pm »
I defend Reagan to this day for the spending in the 80's...

A true, principled conservative defending one man for blowing the lid off the deficit sounds an awful lot like a cult of personality @txradioguy

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« Reply #505 on: March 16, 2021, 07:11:47 pm »

...by people afflicted with your psychosis.   :bolt:

No psychosis. I just judge things according to merit. And I ain't attracted to shiny sh*t... Which is why I have no interest in following after pied pipers. But you are welcome to convince me as to the verity of your cause. If only you could.  :whistle:

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« Reply #506 on: March 16, 2021, 07:27:56 pm »
A true, principled conservative defending one man for blowing the lid off the deficit sounds an awful lot like a cult of personality @txradioguy

As I recall it, Inflation was over 10% under Carter, and deficit was at 4%... At the end of Reagan, inflation was down to 4% and deficit was down around 2 or 3% - YES that's a card trick to some degree  - Because with rocketing GNP, Reagan having kicked the chocks out, there was a helluva lot more money hitting government coffers...

But it stand still - LOWER inflation, Lower deficit... SO I think y'all are confusing debt with deficit. The only way inflation and deficit are lowering is in a case where incoming receipts 'outspend' spending. The only place that 1.8T could be is in long bonds, seems to me. That is debt, not deficit.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #507 on: March 16, 2021, 08:30:53 pm »
Can't be seen as anything else.  :shrug:

...and I reiterate....
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« Reply #508 on: March 16, 2021, 08:40:32 pm »
...and I reiterate....

As do I. No merit. No gain. Actual losses. What else could it be?

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« Reply #509 on: March 16, 2021, 08:50:13 pm »
No psychosis. I just judge things according to merit. And I ain't attracted to shiny sh*t... Which is why I have no interest in following after pied pipers. But you are welcome to convince me as to the verity of your cause. If only you could.  :whistle:

No desire whatsoever. Just my best wishes and sincere regards.

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« Reply #510 on: March 16, 2021, 08:51:16 pm »
No desire whatsoever. Just my best wishes and sincere regards.

And same the other way. Truly.  :beer: :seeya:

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #511 on: March 17, 2021, 12:40:02 am »
Ain't it though? I will be happy when the board has less articles about him than everything else. I do not understand the infatuation.

Probably due to something strange, like how the last election was a total fraud and Trump should not be serving his second term in exile.

Weird things like that bother real Americans.
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« Reply #512 on: March 17, 2021, 12:46:28 am »
Nothing Reagan did lasted.

That charge works on ANY president.

We still have the Socialist Security Ponzi Scheme.

We still have the welfare scams Lyin' B Johnson forced on us.

We still have the Federal Reserve that created the Great Depression.

We still have FDR's loan guarantee scams that eventually caused the housing meltdown of 2008.

But you're right in other ways.

We do not have the First Amendment.

Nor do we have the Second, Fourth, Fifth and Thirteenth Amendments.

The Fourteenth Amendment's requirement that children born to people the US has jurisdiction over has been destroyed to mean children born anywhere, if they can stay here long enough.

The Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of Equal Protection has become "Protected of (D), Destroyed if (R)".

Anybody can be impeached, even if they're not in office, if they have an (R) after their name.   George Washington better hire a lawyer.
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« Reply #513 on: March 17, 2021, 12:48:23 am »
Unless bills are passed and signed into law. Most changes are happening via e.o., and all the next prez has to do is undo the e.o.

Really?

That Illegal Alien Marxist from Kenya wrote an EO granting illegal aliens permanent residency (DACA) and when Trump wrote the proper EO cancelling that illegal edict, the corrupt courts turned the illegal edict into law.

But the Usurper could undo everything Trump did by signing 99 EOs in a single day.
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« Reply #514 on: March 17, 2021, 12:52:33 am »
And the next SOB who refers to the USA as a "democracy" in my presence is going to get popped in the mouth even if I have to go to jail for it!

We're certainly not a republic any more.

The 17th Amendment killed the Republic.

The United States now has two houses of commoners, the House and the Senate being elected by easily swayed citizen-morons, where it used to have a bi-cameral system in which the states themselves, by selecting the Senators by the state legislatures had a voice in the running of the federal government.

We're closer to being some bastardized democracy than any kind of a republic.   

Unless you want to call us the Banana Republic North.  That would work.
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« Reply #515 on: March 17, 2021, 01:03:35 am »
@skeeter   There are a handful of (more so than anyone) "principled conservatives" who have insisted for four years that the deficit is the only issue that matters; until this is fixed there is no hope.  Any other issue always returned to the deficit as our problem.

For them, President Trump was a "northeast liberal" because of his spending.  No grace was given for cause or effect.

Yet the conservative icon, Ronald Reagan, is the President who blew the lid off the deficit ... but somehow this only makes him more conservative in the eyes of the "principled".  I'm not looking to slam Reagan, I'm asking for help reconciling this contradictory position.

Those people can't be educated.   They want to look at the world through a single color lens, a lens made of black-painted lead that lets no light, not even x-rays, through (they're not Superman), so they in effect don't see a damn thing at all.

The deficit is a SYMPTOM of the real problem, not a cause.

The deficit will not be eliminated and the national debt reduced until the causes of the problem are addressed and repaired.

The cause of the problem is socialism and all the drooling morons chasing the free crap the grifters promise to get votes.

Socialism is a terminal disease that has never been cured once it's infected a nation, not in the 2500 years since it's invention in China.

France went socialist after the French Revolution.   A lot of Frenhies fried, but France never again won a war.

Germany went socialist, national socialist and communist socialist all at the same time.  It's still broken.

Russia when communist socialist, was liberated by Reagan, then went Putin-socialist and is still an economic midget.

China turned to socialism again after it didn't win the war with Japan, and it's still dying inside.    Trust me, the collapse of the USA from America's socialist infection will destroy China.

Canada is socialist.  Nobody wants their major export, Justin Bieber.

Cuba is socialist.  They have the best health care system in the world.  That's why people flee to America to go to the doctor.

Nobody can name a socialist country that prospered.

Nobody can explain why so many drooling idiots claim this is not true, but can't name the country that proves the statement false.

Anyway, America did the impossible thing in the first place and created a stable government by democratic means.   Maybe America can do the impossible and ethnically cleanse itself of the socialist infestation and resume it's former glory.   Lighting usually likes to strike the same place more than once.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #516 on: March 17, 2021, 01:10:18 am »
The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact lasted.  This resulted in a sizeable reduction in our defense budget for the last 30 years.  Our defense budget represents less than half the fraction of GDP that it did before the Berlin Wall fell.  Reagan did what Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter could not.

Well, to give some of those predecessors the benefit, the USSR was a bridge made of logs, and it took a while for the logs to rot to the point where a good push collapsed it.

It was actually That Idiot Carter that started sending military advisors into Trashcanistan to combat the USSR.   It was Reagan who took that impetus and bled Nobel Piece Prize Winner Gorby Boy by arming the freedom fighters and by challenging the Soviet Commies at every place on the globe that crushed the weak Soviet economy.

That was probably the only thing That Idiot Carted did almost right, and I'm sure That Idiot Carter still regrets doing it.

Reagan was a master politician with a global view of America's place and he felt no guilt about America's greatness.

Trump is the only president since Reagan for which that is also true.

Reagan pushed national missile defense, SDI.   Anything that exposes the Rodents' allegiances to the commies is a good thing for a president to do.
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« Reply #517 on: March 17, 2021, 01:11:20 am »
The Reagan economic boom lasted into the early years of the Bush administration.

You're right.

The GW Bush administration of the 2000's.
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« Reply #518 on: March 17, 2021, 01:22:08 am »
They HAVE to tear him down in order to legitimize Tumpy.

No.

Trump is easily a greater president than Reagan.   That's a very hard subject to debate.   It's clear that there's no president between the two that ranks even level with the hemorrhoids on an sow's butt in comparison.

The compelling issues Trump faced were more diverse and less focused than those confronting Reagan.

Reagan had the Cold War and the economic crisis caused by That Idiot Carter and the foreign policy disasters left by That Idiot Carter.   The structure of the nation was still basically sound, with a solid manufacturing base and sound resource management in progress.   The media could have been rated, at that time, as Somewhat Dishonest.

Trump faced a fascist media rated at Almost Entirely Treasonous and Dishonestly Biased Against America.   With a crime committed by the outgoing Illegal Alien from Kenya, the media made almost no mention of a conspiracy far vaster and far more heinous than the Watergate kerfluffle.

Trump faced an entrenched Rodent-RINO coalition of grifters, not only in elected office but burrowed throughout the bloated bureaucracy, all eager, willing and able to obstruct justice and break the law with impunity.

Reagan had the GOP in House and Senate working for him to advance his agenda.

Trump had the GOP in House and Senate working for the Rodents to derail his agenda.  But much of his agenda was accomplished regardless.

Trump got NATO to start paying it's bills again.

Trump made the Invasion of the United States by the  Rodents and RINOs a matter of public debate, unmasking who our traitors are.   All Never Trumpers are traitors, btw.

Trump accomplished much, and what he accomplished is all the more impressive because HE accomplished it, practically single-handedly.
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« Reply #519 on: March 17, 2021, 01:44:22 am »
You're right.

The GW Bush administration of the 2000's.

I'd peg it at the GWHB admin.  From the day he was Inaugurated in 1989, he worked full time to tear down everything Reagan did.  The tax hike after we read his lips was just the icing on that NWO cake.
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« Reply #520 on: March 17, 2021, 01:55:04 am »
Probably due to something strange, like how the last election was a total fraud and Trump should not be serving his second term in exile.

Weird things like that bother real Americans.

I have not seen that proven.

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« Reply #521 on: March 17, 2021, 01:56:53 am »
But the Usurper could undo everything Trump did by signing 99 EOs in a single day.

As I said, EOs don't count. They never have until that DACA decision.

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« Reply #522 on: March 17, 2021, 02:00:26 am »
I have not seen that proven.
Oh, C'mon man!

All you have to do is watch him speeching and you will know why he got the 'dead' vote.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #523 on: March 17, 2021, 02:21:09 am »
No.

Trump is easily a greater president than Reagan. 

He ain't a pimple on Reagan's ass - Speaking of real and lasting Conservative change.

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That's a very hard subject to debate.

No, it's not.

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It's clear that there's no president between the two that ranks even level with the hemorrhoids on an sow's butt in comparison.

TRUE, and a very low bar to make claims against.

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The compelling issues Trump faced were more diverse and less focused than those confronting Reagan.

Absolutely not - Reagan was simply more focused

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Reagan had the Cold War and the economic crisis caused by That Idiot Carter and the foreign policy disasters left by That Idiot Carter.   The structure of the nation was still basically sound, with a solid manufacturing base and sound resource management in progress.   

You're kidding, right? 10% inflation  and gas lines...

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The media could have been rated, at that time, as Somewhat Dishonest.

ROTFLMAO! The same liberal 'big 3' as now, the same rag newspapers... the difference being *NO* Conservative outlets. And people believed every word from those unswerving liberals speaking the nightly news. Your statement is completely false. Media is way better now, having many Conservative sources, and the big lib media on the ropes, losing subscriptions to the rags in droves, losing subscriptions in droves as the People cut the cable.

WAY better now, had Coservative sources not succumbed to propagandizing just like the liberals - I literally trust none of them now.

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Trump faced a fascist media rated at Almost Entirely Treasonous and Dishonestly Biased Against America.   With a crime committed by the outgoing Illegal Alien from Kenya, the media made almost no mention of a conspiracy far vaster and far more heinous than the Watergate kerfluffle.

Rejected. Worse when they owned it all - There just would not have been any knowledge at all about the outgoing illegal Kenyan.

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Trump faced an entrenched Rodent-RINO coalition of grifters, not only in elected office but burrowed throughout the bloated bureaucracy, all eager, willing and able to obstruct justice and break the law with impunity.

nah. Very little different, except that there were still blue dog and yellow dog Democrats that you could count on your fingers, and which voted Conservatively anyway.

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Reagan had the GOP in House and Senate working for him to advance his agenda.

False. BOOSH was his VP for a reason. The moderates were already strong andin control of the party.

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Trump had the GOP in House and Senate working for the Rodents to derail his agenda.  But much of his agenda was accomplished regardless.

Nah. EOs don't count.

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Trump got NATO to start paying it's bills again.

Really? For how many years? No really - go look.

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Trump made the Invasion of the United States by the  Rodents and RINOs a matter of public debate, unmasking who our traitors are.   All Never Trumpers are traitors, btw.

Messianic idiocy.

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Trump accomplished much, and what he accomplished is all the more impressive because HE accomplished it, practically single-handedly.

Tumpy accomplished NOTHING. It's all *gone*. And all it cost was twenty trillion bucks. And liberal lawmaking went on undisturbed.

What a deal.  *****rollingeyes*****

Y'all gotta raise your sights a helluva lot higher.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #524 on: March 17, 2021, 02:23:46 am »
Oh, C'mon man!

All you have to do is watch him speeching and you will know why he got the 'dead' vote.

I will stick with the Conservative ideal of requiring proof in a court of law, and laying claims in the public square aside.
That being said, that proof is leaking out, ever so slowly.