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Oh no, darlin... Do not forego the fire.... It's what makes you HOT.  8888forgot

Nah... I know you make your own hot 24/7. But don't be braggin and denying lesser wimmins.

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Lol...yes, but.... having a fireplace-related fire in the midst of a low-water-pressure emergency situation is NOT the kind of "hot" I want to be.   And I admit...I'm paranoid.   I mean... just look how sucky things have already turned out to be.   The potential for exponentially increasing sucky is massive.  :shrug:

Hope you're staying warm, hon (and I know you are).
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Still not saying what the temperatures are here..... :whistle:

We're having a heatwave now... it's up to 23.  Whoopee!

Expecting the idiots in charge of the "rolling outtages" to cut power again.... any... minute...now.

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We will be in the 70's in a week but two more nights of dipping into the 20's before that happens.

Your bad weather is heading towards the East Coast now,

What is strange is it’s snowing in Greece and heading towards Jerusalem.

https://apnews.com/article/snow-blankets-athens-halts-vaccinations-be193363451279cc4d105d025d0fb2b6


https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/after-warm-weekend-strong-winter-storm-snow-expected-this-week-659016
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   Heads are gonna roll when this is all over and I'm afraid it will reach the top~Abbott.

Well... whoever allowed the idiot left energy policies to be implemented here in Texas should be held accountable.  If it turns out to be Abbott, so be it.   He did fail us re: the Covid restrictions, IMHO.
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Still not saying what the temperatures are here..... :whistle:

Likewise, for similar reasons.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Not too bad last nite and Today. 33 deg 95% humidity off and on rain. Wind staying under 20 mph. Balmy  55 deg inside. Power still out since 11am yestdy. Still have some water pressure.

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  There's gonna be a few Millionaire Plumbers after this is all over, all pipes in my house are frozen, while my neighbor has some water pressure I have no water at all. Most of my pipes are of the 'old' galvanized steel type and all are under the house (pier and beam).  I wonder if my Home Owners Insurance will cover any of it.
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I just made morning coffee on my Propane powered stove, Not with Puny Cans of Sterno.
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Elder, to each his own - you use one way, I use another that is designed to last a year+.
I will not diss others about their methods of survival.  If one way keeps you alive, it is a good way.

When I developed a survival plan, I did it for living in cities, towns, suburbia, neighborhoods - not living in the vast countryside like Roamer does.  I planned to survive in the house, but I also have an outdoor fireplace designed to cook food and provide heat outside, plus the usual grill to cook.  A secondary water source from the roof is out there.  These are secondary to what is in the house.

I did not include a generator since fuel for that would end fairly quickly.  I went with rechargeable batteries, the best kind, that can be recharged over 1,500 times.  I can last years with those batteries in lamps, fans, etc., and have a fairly large solar panel with a device designed to recharge every size battery, radios, phones, etc.  I have a battery powered TV and a radio that has TV stations on it, plus I have a short-wave radio powered by batteries.

I also have two oil lamps plus enough lamp oil for a year if using them at night.  I also have solar lamps.  They gather power from light during the day and use that power to provide light after dark.

When I developed a plan to get through hurricanes, then thought of prepping for a year+  for heating/cooking foods, I went with "Safe Heat" cans, and two foldable Sterno Stoves.  I looked at how long a can would burn, how long it would take to warm/cook food, and bought enough cans to last - a year+.  I still have that, plus enough storable long term (20 years) food for four for a year, as I figured two family members would come to my house in an emergency.

I could go on and on about more long term preps - how to stay warm without power - ways to have good water when there is no water in the pipes - ten ways to cook without power, medical care, etc.  For now, I wish all Texans to stay warm - Bob says it will be in the 70s next week.  See, Texans, you can sun your body outside next week.
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Expecting the idiots in charge of the "rolling outtages" to cut power again.... any... minute...now.

On the job now....

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  There's gonna be a few Millionaire Plumbers after this is all over, all pipes in my house are frozen, while my neighbor has some water pressure I have no water at all. Most of my pipes are of the 'old' galvanized steel type and all are under the house (pier and beam).  I wonder if my Home Owners Insurance will cover any of it.

I have a few friends already scheduling plumbers.  The worst so far:

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Screw it.   I'm getting drunk.

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Man! That looks nasty! All my pipes are clear. My hot running to the kitchen froze and then later cleared. My house was built with all galv in 1960. I had the pipe fail soon after I moved in in 85 that went from the supply up the wall to the attic. Stupid me replaced it with galv. When I redid each bathroom  I replaced all the piping with copper. Last was the kitchen. Now all copper except the long runs from the kitchen side to the bathroom side of the house, I used pvc and cpvc. And I still have that one length of galvanize.

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The infrastructure failures in Texas are quite literally what happens when you *don’t* pursue a Green New Deal.
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  There's gonna be a few Millionaire Plumbers after this is all over, all pipes in my house are frozen, while my neighbor has some water pressure I have no water at all. Most of my pipes are of the 'old' galvanized steel type and all are under the house (pier and beam).  I wonder if my Home Owners Insurance will cover any of it.

Put it back in PEX. It don't care if it freezes, and if you are handy, you can do it yourself.

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The infrastructure failures in Texas are quite literally what happens when you *don’t* pursue a Green New Deal.

This woman is dangerously stupid.
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I have a few friends already scheduling plumbers.  The worst so far:



Looks like the ceiling falling is what woke em up (sheets thrown over the rubble on the bed)... Praise God they weren't under it. Small favors, right? but at least they are still there to enact the repairs.

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Put it back in PEX. It don't care if it freezes, and if you are handy, you can do it yourself.

Pex won't freeze and burst but it most certainly will freeze and push apart at fittings.

The only failsafe is not letting it freeze.
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Lol...yes, but.... having a fireplace-related fire in the midst of a low-water-pressure emergency situation is NOT the kind of "hot" I want to be.   And I admit...I'm paranoid.   I mean... just look how sucky things have already turned out to be.   The potential for exponentially increasing sucky is massive.  :shrug:

Hope you're staying warm, hon (and I know you are).

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Yeah, I am fine. Fifteen below ain't nothing around here.

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Pex won't freeze and burst but it most certainly will freeze and push apart at fittings.

The only failsafe is not letting it freeze.

That is right, but not right too... It CAN happen, but mostly don't. The expansion in the lines takes up enough generally... Although, if a fitting does become a problem, the fitting usually breaks before the PEX will push off. The fittings, being hard plastic, don't have the same give.

My washer lines are on an outside wall, and pass close to a vent - Crawl spaces here have operable vents that you open and close with the season. But even closed, the vent itself remains uninsulated, and the cold can pass through there.

Those lines froze hard several times at 10 below until I got a heat tape on em to resolve the problem.

A couple things to consider that northern homes are outfitted with:

Foremost a secondary heat source is paramount. I have both GFA and wood. Wood is my primary but the gas furnace is there if my stove becomes problematic for some reason (which happens more that you might think). I CANNOT be without heat. Hence the emphasis... Y'all are getting a taste of that right now.

Foundations or skirting need operable vents. That way you can close them in cold weather. It is an annual ritual here. I close em on the first freeze, and open them with planting.

Skirting particularly needs to be insulated. But if you can close off under the house, the house itself will usually retain enough heat radiated downward into the crawl to keep things thawed.

Add to that a thermometer showing ambient temp in the crawl, and a string of 100w access lights providing light to the crawl... Those 100w bulbs add significant heat if needful, which tends to stay in there if it is sealed up fairly... If I am worried about cold, (if the temp down there is under 40's) those lights are turned on.

An air pump system to exchange the interior air into the crawlspace.If it is getting cold enough to freeze down there with every other option exhausted, I flip open a duct into the crawlspace and a return duct on the other end. I have been here going on ten years, and only used that option once and I was dang glad to have that option in place.

A propane jet heater will do that too, or space heaters if you have the electricity.

All of the options above are better than broken plumbing.

Additionally, my whole house is plumbed off of a common curb-stop valve, and the lines can be drained. In the case of a major outage, with no heat either, I can go shut off the curb, open the drain, put a hose on the hot water tank and drain that, and pour antifreeze into the pea traps and toilet, and the house is impervious to frost damage.


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This woman is dangerously stupid.
Not to her.

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Mattress Mack's team says more than 1000 people were able to make their way to Gallery Furniture yesterday, and 400 stayed overnight.

His one ask today is that if you can, please bring an extra mask in the event someone may need one.

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Mattress Mack (and his adorable granddaughter) say if you need a warm place to stay, you can head over to @GFToday on 45N or in Richmond.

He has food, blankets, and clothes for anyone who needs it: https://abc13.com/10344483/

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OH HOW HORRIBLE!  On our local news tonight 5 people locally have died from the cold. 4 died in their own houses that had had no electricity or heat for 3 days now.

This is just heart breaking....


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OH HOW HORRIBLE!  On our local news tonight 5 people locally have died from the cold. 4 died in their own houses that had had no electricity or heat for 3 days now.

This is just heart breaking....
I'm hearing people who are dependent on various types of medical machines are struggling, too, without electricity to run them. So sad.
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Late to the game here, due to the power and WiFi being out.

Lost power Monday morning @ 7am
Restored Wednesday evening @ 7 pm.
Stayed warm by dressing (and sleeping) in layers, multiple quilts on the bed when we slept.
Used charcoal grill to cook outside, when it wasn't raining/snowing.
Some frozen pipes, but no broken ones, thank God.
Found Gasoline on Thursday, fairly easily, no wait.
Worked Friday and today (Saturday).
I live in Sugar Land and work in Katy.
A little early morning ice on the commute both days, but mostly in puddles by the curbsides, not bad.
Haven't had to be on a boil water notice, but not taking chances.
Brushing teeth using bottled water, etc.

Wife went to the grocery store yesterday.
All frozen food gone, no meat yet.
Dairy and bread hard to come by.


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Looks like the ceiling falling is what woke em up (sheets thrown over the rubble on the bed)... Praise God they weren't under it. Small favors, right? but at least they are still there to enact the repairs.

That happened in my Granddaughters room.
Thank God they were not home.
Granddaughter is 3 years old.
My son's ex-wife took our 2 grandkids to her boyfriends house.
He never lost power.
They came back to get more stuff and found the damage.

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I think whole-home generator price and demand is going to skyrocket.
I know I am looking into it, but maybe not today.........

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I went to the FiestaMart on Edgebrook day before yesterday. Produce was mostly full. No meat. No Bread. No Milk.

I went to the Food Town in Pasadena Yesterday. The whole store looked completely stocked except no 1% or 2% milk. Plenty of whole milk. I didn't go down the bread isle as I didn't need any. Meat was fully stocked.

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People need to learn that if they leave their homes in a freeze to shut off the water and drain the pipes. At least shut off the water.

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People need to learn that if they leave their homes in a freeze to shut off the water and drain the pipes. At least shut off the water.

Many houses have a drain valve, to dump the water already in the pipes after the main is shut off.  My ex in-laws had a rental they owned like that, as were all the houses in that neighborhood.
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Late to the game here, due to the power and WiFi being out.

Lost power Monday morning @ 7am
Restored Wednesday evening @ 7 pm.
Stayed warm by dressing (and sleeping) in layers, multiple quilts on the bed when we slept.
Used charcoal grill to cook outside, when it wasn't raining/snowing.
Some frozen pipes, but no broken ones, thank God.
Found Gasoline on Thursday, fairly easily, no wait.
Worked Friday and today (Saturday).
I live in Sugar Land and work in Katy.
A little early morning ice on the commute both days, but mostly in puddles by the curbsides, not bad.
Haven't had to be on a boil water notice, but not taking chances.
Brushing teeth using bottled water, etc.

Wife went to the grocery store yesterday.
All frozen food gone, no meat yet.
Dairy and bread hard to come by.

Glad to see you coming up for air @GrouchoTex   :seeya:

Are you plumb out of food or do you have fixins at home? If y'all have the flour and such, you can bake a loaf in that grill if you have a steel trivet  and dutch oven.

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That happened in my Granddaughters room.
Thank God they were not home.
Granddaughter is 3 years old.
My son's ex-wife took our 2 grandkids to her boyfriends house.
He never lost power.
They came back to get more stuff and found the damage.

It is a caution. Praise Yah your grand daughter was spared.

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Glad to see you coming up for air @GrouchoTex   :seeya:

Are you plumb out of food or do you have fixins at home? If y'all have the flour and such, you can bake a loaf in that grill if you have a steel trivet  and dutch oven.

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No we are fine, thanks for asking.
Frozen stuff survived, we do have plenty of meat.

Lost some perishable but not all.
I did put perishables outside but made one error (live and learn).
I put them in a cooler, but did not put in ice, and shut the lid.
I should have (1) iced it or (2)left it open.
Iced being better, so critters (if some were out in the freeze) wouldn't get to it.

Still may have been okay, but the wife didn't want to chance it.
Maybe about 20.00 dollars worth, so not all bad.



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My niece who is in law school in the DFW area left her apartment to stay with a friend when the electricity went out.  She returned to her first floor apartment to find the entire apartment flooded.  Everything in it is ruined.  Water came through the ceiling from the apartments above.  The apartment complex has put her and the rest of the HUGE complex up in motels until all of this is fixed, which will be weeks to months.

Another friend here in town didn't have electricity for over 4 days.  Fortunately they had a fireplace, so they put a mattress by it and basically lived there for 5 days.  When the water came back on, it flooded their bedroom as their hot water heater was in the attic. 

This is going on all over town, it's going to be millions in damage in just our town.

I'm going shopping for wood stoves...lol.
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Many houses have a drain valve, to dump the water already in the pipes after the main is shut off.  My ex in-laws had a rental they owned like that, as were all the houses in that neighborhood.

I did that right. Go shut off the curb valve in the yard and open the other one, which shunts the main from the house into the foundation drain tile... then go open all the faucets to let it drain. All the pipes are on a grade, and it all just flows out. Only thing I did wrong was that I did not allow for the hot water heater to use that system, so I have to drain that with  garden hose by hand.

And don't forget pouring a little RV antifreeze down the sinks for the pea traps and in the toilet.

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I went to the FiestaMart on Edgebrook day before yesterday. Produce was mostly full. No meat. No Bread. No Milk.

I went to the Food Town in Pasadena Yesterday. The whole store looked completely stocked except no 1% or 2% milk. Plenty of whole milk. I didn't go down the bread isle as I didn't need any. Meat was fully stocked.

That's good to know.
It was a Kroger on Sweetwater in Sugar Land, where my wife noticed the meat and frozen goods gone.
A co-worker in who lives Katy said he experienced the same thing at his local Kroger.

Weird, that I saw long lines on Wednesday, when I could venture out a little, where power was on, at gas stations pumps and outside the grocery stores.

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Lost some perishable but not all.
I did put perishables outside but made one error (live and learn).
I put them in a cooler, but did not put in ice, and shut the lid.
I should have (1) iced it or (2)left it open.
Iced being better, so critters (if some were out in the freeze) wouldn't get to it.

@GrouchoTex
It would be alright to leave it open a crack with something heavy on top.
Up in here it is quite common to see chest freezers on the porch - Simply because you don't need to run them for half the year.  And most of them have blocks on the corners to leave em open to the cold, and an auxiliary latch to keep it from opening. Just mainly a coon problem there, as nothing else would really climb it (well maybe some of the weasel family too), so a coon-proof latch or chain is enough till the bears wake up.

But yeah - you can haul the fridge out on the porch too in a pinch, but the problem there is that it tends to freeze eventually. So you have to put a hot water bottle in there once a day  :shrug:

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That's good to know.
It was a Kroger on Sweetwater in Sugar Land, where my wife noticed the meat and frozen goods gone.
A co-worker in who lives Katy said he experienced the same thing at his local Kroger.

Weird, that I saw long lines on Wednesday, when I could venture out a little, where power was on, at gas stations pumps and outside the grocery stores.

There was a line at the Fiesta, but not at Food Town. I went to an Ace Hardware yesterday to get some bolts. I didn't even stop when I saw the long line outside.

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Many houses have a drain valve, to dump the water already in the pipes after the main is shut off.  My ex in-laws had a rental they owned like that, as were all the houses in that neighborhood.

Since living in Texas (mostly) since 1989, I have not had a home that had a drain valve.  Many have had plumbing run under the slab making complete draining difficult.  Down to the hose level okay, but not below.

But this does give me an idea to make draining my barn water easier next time.
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Late to the game here, due to the power and WiFi being out.

Lost power Monday morning @ 7am
Restored Wednesday evening @ 7 pm.
Stayed warm by dressing (and sleeping) in layers, multiple quilts on the bed when we slept.
Used charcoal grill to cook outside, when it wasn't raining/snowing.
Some frozen pipes, but no broken ones, thank God.
Found Gasoline on Thursday, fairly easily, no wait.
Worked Friday and today (Saturday).
I live in Sugar Land and work in Katy.
A little early morning ice on the commute both days, but mostly in puddles by the curbsides, not bad.
Haven't had to be on a boil water notice, but not taking chances.
Brushing teeth using bottled water, etc.

Wife went to the grocery store yesterday.
All frozen food gone, no meat yet.
Dairy and bread hard to come by.

No broken pipes, congratulations.

We went to Walmart today in Angleton, checking for meat if available.  It is not often I get to see a meme in real life.



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We went to Walmart today in Angleton, checking for meat if available.  It is not often I get to see a meme in real life.
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Yikes. Well, I don't know what their inventory is right now, but you could order from the Kansas City Steak Company ( our order was delivered within 2 days) or Omaha Steak Company.  It's a little bit pricey.. but it beats plant based meat.  BTW if it's plant based why in the heck do they even call it meat??

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My thoughts are still with my fellow Texans further west. 

I was lucky.  2 rolling blackouts, totalling 3 hours.  Didn't lose water, and took freeze precautions, didn't bust (still fingers crossed) any pipes. 

Only negative, is we lost our largest pine tree.  Close to 5' in diameter. Ancient tree got iced down, and uprooted.   **nononono*

Out of my league with my chainsaw.  $1200 for removal. Still feel terribly lucky though.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

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All in all, I feel pretty blessed as well. No electric for 4 days, no water since last Tuesday. Fridge busted and flooded the kitchen TWICE, commodes...not functional. The appliance guy came yesterday and stopped the flooding (he is a story all by himself) and the plumbers came and determined that part of the house will have to be repiped...next Wed. 8888crybaby But I do have electricity now and cold boilable water. It was so cold in here the groceries in the fridge I have weren't affected. Things are looking up! happy77 Lots of people have it far worse than I. I'm going to heat water a little later and take a bird bath and wash my hair...or shave my head, lol.

My personal assessment of this...2020 brought the Covid nightmare. 2021 came along and said...you think all that was bad...hold muh beer Texas and watch  thishappy77