Fauci says health officials preparing in case COVID vaccines no longer effective against 'mutant' st

[mystery-ak]

Fauci says health officials preparing in case COVID vaccines no longer effective against 'mutant' strains
By Nathaniel Weixel - 01/27/21 04:09 PM EST

Federal health agencies are preparing for the possibility that the current COVID-19 vaccines might not be effective against new strains of the coronavirus, Anthony Fauci said Wednesday, but he has confidence that drug companies will be able to quickly change the formula.

Speaking at an event hosted by The Hill, Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the federally-authorized vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are effective against multiple strains that have been identified so far.

Fauci noted that monoclonal antibody treatments may not necessarily be as effective, but he is not worried about vaccines.


"We are preparing, in anticipation that the virus will continue to evolve and may get to the point where it crosses the threshold that our vaccine is no longer effective as we want it to be," Fauci said.

"We don't want it to happen. We hope it doesn't happen. If it does, we're already doing what it takes to be able to address that," Fauci added.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/536173-fauci-says-health-officials-preparing-in-case-covid-vaccines-no-longer

[skeeter]

Listened to this fraud this morning on the TeeVee. He's so full of himself - crap - its tough to take.

How much longer will we have to tolerate him.

[Wingnut]

Setting his troll ass up for a seat in act II of the Fauci covid clown show.

[PeteS in CA]

Total alarmist BS:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/vitro-study-shows-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-elicits

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-retains-neutralizing-activity-against

Not a vaccine but being used against Covid and being tested as a "passive vaccine", https://investor.regeneron.com/index.php/news-releases/news-release-details/regen-covtm-antibody-cocktail-active-against-sars-cov-2-variants

Those facts pointed out, Moderna developed its vaccine in less than a week after the SARS-CoV-2 virus DNA sequence was leaked from a Chinese university. Pfizer/BioNTech uses a very similar technology and could be similarly responsive. Similarly, AbCellera/Lilly and Regeneron developed their monoclonal antibody treatments within days or weeks of the Chinese university; AbCellera is a partner in a DARPA program begun in 2018 to create rapid response strategies for new outbreaks.

So Fauci's pronouncement was mostly alarmist BS, with a mix of information about successful capabilities already in place. Fauci needs a muzzle, social isolation by at least 6 miles from every skews media person in the US, and no electronic communication devices more capable than an Etch-A-Sketch.

[mountaineer]

CDC doesn't know if new Covid-19 variants are causing rare complication in children
    By Jen Christensen, CNN
    Updated 46 min ago | Posted on Jan 27, 2021

(CNN) -- The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday it does not know if the new Covid-19 variants are causing more cases of a rare complication in children called multisystem inflammatory syndrome.

Multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C) in children is a troubling complication of Covid-19 infection that can cause heart damage and typically shows up about three weeks after a child has been infected. Many MIS-C cases follow a Covid-19 infection that had no symptoms.

While children are much less likely than adults to be hospitalized or die from Covid-19, children are as just as likely as adults to become infected.

About 2.68 million children in the US have tested positive for the virus as of January 21, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the number of infections has increased recently. Last week alone, 165,480 new child cases were identified through testing, the report said. That's an 16% increase in child Covid-19 cases over two weeks. Children represent 12.7% of all cases in the US. ...

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Fauci, CDC, WHO - the whole lot of you can go >>>> yourselves. I just don't care anymore.

[BassWrangler]

Looking forward to the day when Fauci is again irrelevant.

[catfish1957]

This POS has been right about 10% of the time.  Why does anyone take him serious?

[Wingnut]

This POS has been right about 10% of the time.  Why does anyone take him serious?

Even weather forecasters have a better track record.   Why does the Troll of the Covid still have a job when he should be in a strapless dress in front of a green screen pointing to a low pressure front like his understudy...Dick Levine.

[jmyrlefuller]

Even weather forecasters have a better track record.   Why does the Troll of the Covid still have a job when he should be in a strapless dress in front of a green screen pointing to a low pressure front like his understudy...Dick Levine.

He's the highest paid federal government employee there is. When you talk about a Deep State, Don Antonio is the boss.

[skeeter]

This POS has been right about 10% of the time.  Why does anyone take him serious?

This POS today was delightedly talking about how we've rejoined the WHO. I hope someone is following the money.

I dearly hope these grifters get carried away having the sinecures recently restored and finally end up getting the sentences they deserve. Friggen Pelosi invested a crap-ton of money in Tesla as congress considers new green policies.

[Wingnut]

[BassWrangler]

Some mask hilarity I found on Twitter:

[mountaineer]

I saw mention of this on Twitter last night, that some people who have received the vaccine subsequently got the virus. Unfortunately, I didn't make note of who said it. One who commented was a nurse practitioner who said one of his patients came down with Covid about 3 weeks after receiving the "second jab," and infected his whole family.

 In other words, the vaccine may not work.

Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose
Grace Segers 1 hr ago


Congressman Stephen Lynch, a Democrat from Massachusetts, tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday after receiving the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine earlier this month. Lynch is one of several members of Congress who have tested positive for the virus in recent weeks.

A spokesperson for Lynch said in a statement that his positive test result came after a staffer in his Boston office tested positive.

"Congressman Lynch had received the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and subsequently received a negative COVID-19 test prior to attending President Biden's Inauguration," said Molly Rose Tarpey, Lynch's communications director. "While Mr. Lynch remains asymptomatic and feels fine, he will self-quarantine and will vote by proxy in Congress during the coming week." ...

CBS News via MSN

[mountaineer]

Testing positive for coronavirus after getting a vaccine? Here's how likely that is and what to know if it happens
Adrianna Rodriguez
USA TODAY
Jan. 5, 2021

It’s still possible to test positive for the coronavirus even after getting vaccinated, experts said.

Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines require two doses per patient to be fully effective. The first Pfizer-BioNTech dose is more than 50% effective in preventing COVID-19, and the second dose increases that protection to about 95%.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it can take weeks for a person’s body to build up immunity after getting vaccinated.

“That means it’s possible a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and get sick,” the agency said. “This is because the vaccine has not had enough time to provide protection.”

Nicole Iovine, an infectious disease expert and hospital chief epidemiologist at University of Florida Health, said it takes the average person 10 to 14 days to build up a protective number of antibodies, but each person is different. ...

[thackney]

I saw mention of this on Twitter last night, that some people who have received the vaccine subsequently got the virus. Unfortunately, I didn't make note of who said it. One who commented was a nurse practitioner who said one of his patients came down with Covid about 3 weeks after receiving the "second jab," and infected his whole family.

 In other words, the vaccine may not work.

95% effective means 5% not effective.  This was well known from the start, like all vaccines. 

[Wingnut]

95% effective means 5% not effective.  This was well known from the start, like all vaccines.

Stop mudding up the waters with useless facts like that and the one where al virus's mutate in order to survive.

[mountaineer]

95% effective means 5% not effective.  This was well known from the start, like all vaccines.

Most other ("all," even) vaccines are tested longer than these Covid-19 vaccines before being released for public consumption, so it may be too early to use 95% or any other number as the definitive effectiveness rate. Isn't that actually only the manufacturers' estimate of efficacy?

Generally speaking:

... The discovery and research phase is normally two-to-five years, according to the Wellcome Trust. In total, a vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop and costs up to $500 million, the UK charity says. ...World Economic Forum, June 2, 2020

We're still in the early going. We'll see how effective it is. Let's just hope it lives up to the hype.

[PeteS in CA]

... it may be too early to use 95% or any other number as the definitive effectiveness rate. Isn't that actually only the manufacturers' estimate of efficacy?
...

The 95% number derives from the data of the Phase III tests. The test protocols were designed by the FDA, not P or M. The tests were conducted by hospitals, universities, etc., not P or M. During the tests P and M had zero access to the accumulating data. P and M saw the data when the independent monitoring committee declared the the FDA-defined end-point had been met. So the database was limited, at the time, but "estimate" is tendentious and not very accurate.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it can take weeks for a person’s body to build up immunity after getting vaccinated.

Well, yeah, no efficacious vaccine includes a wave of a magic wand. Among the data collected during the Phase III tests was things like this, when a test participant who got the virus was exposed (before? between doses, etc.?). The FDA's test process doesn't end when a vaccine receives full approval. There is a post-approval Phase IV in which many recipients are tracked, a phase that continues for years. So as of Friday AM there were up to 27.88M "participants" in these Phase IV tests.

Stop mudding up the waters with useless facts like that and the one where al virus's mutate in order to survive.

No, viruses' DNA stability is just loosey-goosey. What is known, however is that the several vaccines (P, M, AZ, J&J, and Novavax) are effective against known SARS-CoV-2 variants. So Fauci's statement above is hypothetical alarmist BS. And he knew it when he said it.

[thackney]

Most other ("all," even) vaccines are tested longer than these Covid-19 vaccines before being released for public consumption, so it may be too early to use 95% or any other number as the definitive effectiveness rate. Isn't that actually only the manufacturers' estimate of efficacy?

It is what the current testing has shown.  It is not a guess, rather the results of data.

[catfish1957]

The real far reaching Fauxci web effect....   Does anyone honestly believe that 1 in 4 cases of all worldwide COVID-19 cases happened in this country?

[mountaineer]

It is what the current testing has shown.  It is not a guess, rather the results of data.

Not much data, though. That is my point. Only a couple months' worth, compared to the usual amount of testing vaccines undergo.

[Hoodat]

Listened to this fraud this morning on the TeeVee. He's so full of himself - crap - its tough to take.

How much longer will we have to tolerate him.

It is quite telling how the Biden coup has reversed every single policy and position of the Trump Administration in so short a time, yet they have chosen to keep Fauci on board.

[catfish1957]

How much longer will we have to tolerate him.

This fraud knows his 15 minutes of fame is up after the end of the Pandemic.  He's going to milk every ounce of it.

[jmyrlefuller]

Not much data, though. That is my point. Only a couple months' worth, compared to the usual amount of testing vaccines undergo.

I think this is very much a valid concern. There is no way to assess long-term protection or safety in a short period of time. Pete is right in that it's the best we have under the circumstances, but the fact remains that these tests only measured over a few months to get approval. With a virus that has already mutated in South Africa to evade existing antibodies, that's a major concern. J&J's later data still suggests it can at least reduce the severity, which may introduce mutation concerns of its own.

[PeteS in CA]

Not much data, though. That is my point. Only a couple months' worth, compared to the usual amount of testing vaccines undergo.

Moderna started Phase I (humans, not animals) in mid March. AZ started in late April; Janssen/J&J in late July; Novavax in late May; Pfizer started in late April. So "a couple months' worth" is inaccurate. Every one of those vaccines have data for 15K-30K recipients, plus a similar number who received a placebo

How many more months of government shutdown tyranny and how many 10s of thousands more test participants would satisfy your concern? It has been a risk-benefit decision from square one, just as a 2 year test process is a risk-benefit choice. Would 2 years be "safe"? Ask the daughters of the women who received DES.

[PeteS in CA]

I think this is very much a valid concern. There is no way to assess long-term protection or safety in a short period of time. ...

It is, however, known that Phase I test participants still have significant antibody levels in their system, and that T-cell response was also caused by the vaccines I've been talking about. IOW, the "short" term may be years, and the long-term "memory" will also probably last years. The uncertainty is not whether the effectiveness will last just a few months, but more likely how many years the immunity will last.

[mountaineer]

Weighing The Efficacy Rates, Potential Benefits Of Johnson & Johnson’s Single-Dose Coronavirus Vaccine
By John Shumway
February 1, 2021 at 7:38 am

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Johnson & Johnson is expected to ask the FDA this week for emergency use authorization for its COVID-19 vaccine.

The vaccine has the advantage of being a single dose, but it also has the lowest efficacy rate of any of the vaccines so far. Is that a concern?

The short answer is that you have to look beyond the hceadline.  ...

KDKA

The reporter talks to an infectious disease doctor who urges taking whatever you can get as soon as you can - even if it's not particularly effective. 

[PeteS in CA]

From the little I've seen about normal vaccine efficacies, J&J's is average. What makes it look bad is the efficacies of Pfizer and Moderna. The J&J test that met its endpoints was a single-dose regimen. There is another, two-dose test underway to see whether a second dose improves the efficacy. It started November 15th, so I'd guess it meets its endpoints in May or June.

[Hoodat]

How many more months of government shutdown tyranny and how many 10s of thousands more test participants would satisfy your concern?

Government shutdown tyranny is in no way connected to vaccine efficacy.

As for the experimental vaccines, it should be my individual right whether or not I choose to get it.  And there should be no repercussions to that choice in regards, to employment, free movement, and free assembly.

[Hoodat]

The reporter talks to an infectious disease doctor who urges taking whatever you can get as soon as you can - even if it's not particularly effective. 

Speaking of infectious disease doctors, did you know that NIH under Dr. Fauci's leadership was actually working with the Wuhan lab where this outbreak originated?  In 2014, the Obama Administration banned the type of research that was being conducted, yet Dr. Fauci continued on in violation of that order.

Fauci has blood on his hands, which is why he has been orchestrating this disinformation campaign for over a year now.  Masks are bad, masks are good, now you need two masks, you can't catch it from other humans, you can catch it from other humans, it's airborne, it's not airborne, stay indoors, go outdoors, herd immunity at 60%, herd immunity at 90%, 40 cycle test is necessary, 40 cycle test is too sensitive, etc, etc, etc.

[PeteS in CA]

Government shutdown tyranny is in no way connected to vaccine efficacy.

As for the experimental vaccines, it should be my individual right whether or not I choose to get it.  And there should be no repercussions to that choice in regards, to employment, free movement, and free assembly.

1. I was referring to vaccine availability, not efficacy. The longer a test goes on the longer the tyrannous shutdowns.

2. I have seen zero legislation mandating Covid vaccination. Got an example?

3. As for "repercussions", you have the freedom to choose not to be vaccinated; airlines, for hypothetical example, have the same freedom to decide you would be too risky. IF an airline went that route, their competition and the marketplace would bring repercussions for that airline's decision (obviously, possibly little or none). Choices have consequences.

[Hoodat]

2. I have seen zero legislation mandating Covid vaccination. Got an example?

I'm still looking for legislation mandating lockdowns and shutting churches.

As for vaccine mandates, there has been talk at my work location that experimental vaccines may become a condition of employment later in the year.

[BassWrangler]

I'm still looking for legislation mandating lockdowns and shutting churches.

As for vaccine mandates, there has been talk at my work location that experimental vaccines may become a condition of employment later in the year.

Yep, that's the new model for bypassing the constitution and the normal legislative process. They go after the corporations, either explicitly or via compliant executives, who then force it upon anyone who wants to stay employed. They might also require it for air travel or legal travel to/from the country. Of course, you can sneak across the border with no vaccine or tests - that's OK as long as you vote Dem once you're hear!