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Will the Supreme Court accept jurisdiction and hear the case?

If not, it could come down to this:


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If the states that broke the Constitution and lose their EVs, then the threshold of "majority" (50% +1) necessarily goes down, because there will be fewer than 538 EVs cast.  Remember, it's not just "majority," but "majority of votes cast."

The total number of Electors can be different that the number of Electoral Votes. 50% remains fixed.

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The response by Texas to these arguments is tantamount to a smackdown

.....A State’s Electors are to be appointed “in
such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.”
U.S. Const, art. II, § 1, cl. 2. “[T]he state legislature’s
power to select the manner for appointing electors is
plenary.” Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 104 (2000) (“Bush
II”). A precursor to Pennsylvania’s argument was
addressed by Justice Rehnquist in Bush II, when he
pointed out that the Elector’s Clause did not permit
the Florida Supreme Court to modify the plain terms
of Florida law. He acknowledged this Court’s general
deference to state courts in interpreting state law.
“But, with respect to a Presidential election, the
[state] court must be both mindful of the legislature’s
role under Article II in choosing the manner of
appointing electors and deferential to those bodies
expressly empowered by the legislature to carry out
its constitutional mandate.” Id. at 114 (Rehnquist,
C.J., concurring). As he observed, “This inquiry does
not imply a disrespect for state courts but rather a
respect for the constitutionally prescribed role of state
legislatures.” Id. at 115 (emphasis in original).
Because the state court “significantly departed from
the statutory framework,” its holding could not stand.
Id. at 122. In the instant case, the Pennsylvania
legislature’s statutory deadline was expressed in
unmistakably plain terms: “a completed absentee
ballot must be received in the office of the county
board of elections no later than eight o’clock P.M. on
the day of the primary or election.” 25 P.S. § 3146.6(c).
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s addition of three
days after the election was a direct and significant
departure from the statutory framework.


Acknowledging that I'm a legal layman, this seems to be a very clear cite of both the US Constitution and directly relevant SCOTUS precedent.  I don't see how SCOTUS could refuse to consider the case, nor how they could ignore Constitution and precedent in a decision.

The Ds worked themselves into high dudgeon over precedent during recent USSC Justice confirmation hearings, when they wanted to make Roe the context.  If R operatives had any sense they'd be showing videos of those D Senators appealing to the sanctity of precedent superimposed on a summary of the specific precedent cited here.
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Acknowledging that I'm a legal layman, this seems to be a very clear cite of both the US Constitution and directly relevant SCOTUS precedent.  I don't see how SCOTUS could refuse to consider the case, nor how they could ignore Constitution and precedent in a decision.

The Ds worked themselves into high dudgeon over precedent during recent USSC Justice confirmation hearings, when they wanted to make Roe the context.  If R operatives had any sense they'd be showing videos of those D Senators appealing to the sanctity of precedent superimposed on a summary of the specific precedent cited here.

I concur 100% @HoustonSam
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All I'm really saying is that defending the Constitution is not the same thing as advocating for the Trump candidacy.

Most Briefers could be called "Trump Skeptics," who happen to be mostly pleased with him as President.  As a group, we are pretty tired of being call "slavish lovers of a Trump Cult" because we want to stop the cheat. 
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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The total number of Electors can be different that the number of Electoral Votes.

I don't think so.  Just like regular elections are supposed to be, it's one Elector = exactly one Electoral vote.  Remove some Electors, and the number of Electoral Votes necessarily go down.  There are no abstentions permitted.

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50% remains fixed.

Precisely.  What constitutes 50% can change, although in this case it never has in recent elections.  Disqualify some states' Electoral College slates and the number of votes cast will change.
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UPDATE: Kern Rep. Kevin McCarthy joins Texas lawsuit challenging four states on their 2020 election laws

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has added his name to the Texas lawsuit.

https://www.kget.com/news/politics/texas-election-challenge-gains-support-from-trump-campaign-17-states/

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Texas files reply brief in election  suit at SCOTUS, final step ....

Brief filed earlier today:  https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163498/20201211111125165_TX-v-State-MPI-Reply-2020-12-11.pdf

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Most Briefers could be called "Trump Skeptics," who happen to be mostly pleased with him as President.  As a group, we are pretty tired of being call "slavish lovers of a Trump Cult" because we want to stop the cheat.

That seems fair.  I can only speak for myself, but I think readers here would verify that I am not a "slavish follower of a Trump Cult", and that I absolutely want to stop the cheat; in fact that is precisely why I've labored in this thread to distinguish between defending the Constitution and advocating for Trump's campaign.

I'm not special; it's no surprise that what's true of me would be true of others here as well.
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Here is what Gorsuch had to say just before the election... I can’t imagine he has radically shifted from this mindset.



2:54 PM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPad

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Here is what Gorsuch had to say just before the election... I can’t imagine he has radically shifted from this mindset.

This seems encouraging; I hope enough other Justices (Alito, Thomas, Barrett, Kavanaugh) see it the same way.  If there is remaining uncertainty in their minds it's probably about the proper remedy, not the fundamentals of the Paxton complaint.
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If the Electors from the states are thrown out because of a Constitutional violation, then Trump will have a majority of the EVs cast, and thus the winner.  I don't see how Biteme can win without the votes from the defendant states.
Hmm.  I count 62 electoral votes that would be thrown out

Wisconsin     10
Michigan       16
Pennsylvania 20
Georgia         16

Since the certified election results is 306 for Biden and 239 for Trump,

Throwing out 62 electoral votes would amount to a win for Biden as he would still have 244.



How do you conclude otherwise?
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Hmm.  I count 62 electoral votes that would be thrown out

Wisconsin     10
Michigan       16
Pennsylvania 20
Georgia         16

Since the certified election results is 306 for Biden and 239 for Trump,

Throwing out 62 electoral votes would amount to a win for Biden as he would still have 244.



How do you conclude otherwise?
Trump needs one of the three, excepting WI, to not only be thrown out, but switched.

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Denied.

Local ABC outlet in Houston just reported the same.  No rationale is given in their report, it's long on how "baseless" the suit is and how even some Republican office holders did not support it.

I say SCOTUS owes the country a very clear explanation.
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Local ABC outlet in Houston just reported the same.  No rationale is given in their report, it's long on how "baseless" the suit is and how even some Republican office holders did not support it.

I say SCOTUS owes the country a very clear explanation.

I think it's pretty clear "why".   Same reason Roberts deemed Obamacare's mandate a "tax".

We're already at Banana Republic status.  It just hadn't been officially declared '3rd world' yet.   But that's coming.
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That seems fair.  I can only speak for myself, but I think readers here would verify that I am not a "slavish follower of a Trump Cult", and that I absolutely want to stop the cheat; in fact that is precisely why I've labored in this thread to distinguish between defending the Constitution and advocating for Trump's campaign.

I'm not special; it's no surprise that what's true of me would be true of others here as well.

Yes, this lawsuit is about defending the Constitution and not trying to overturn the election.

I'm obviously hoping that the SCOTUS will take up this case.
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All I'm really saying is that defending the Constitution is not the same thing as advocating for the Trump candidacy.
I do agree with you these are different.

I do consider, however, fraud outside the Texas lawsuit is also an unconstitutional endeavor and the many instances of fraud seen during this election have in most people's minds tipped the scales that this is not a fair election.
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I think it's pretty clear "why".   Same reason Roberts deemed Obamacare's mandate a "tax".

We're already at Banana Republic status.  It just hadn't been officially declared '3rd world' yet.   But that's coming.

Well now that report came through via alert to my cell phone, but the report is not on the local ABC outlet's site; it looked like an AP report.  Also I have not seen similar alerts from any other source.............
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   I refuse to Suspend Belief and think that we, as a Representative Republic, can survive 4 years of biteme/ho as we just did 8 years of obummer.
I also refuse to suspend belief and take the rats at their word they will pack the court and add two leftist states to the union. This is a party who not only rigged an election, but politicized a
 pandemic and employed street thug violence all summer long toward political ends. I believe they mean business this time.
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I do agree with you these are different.

I do consider, however, fraud outside the Texas lawsuit is also an unconstitutional endeavor and the many instances of fraud seen during this election have in most people's minds tipped the scales that this is not a fair election.

I agree with you on the latter as well.
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Well now that report came through via alert to my cell phone, but the report is not on the local ABC outlet's site; it looked like an AP report.  Also I have not seen similar alerts from any other source.............

So... are you saying there is hope?   I'm not seeing it.    :shrug:

It's being reported on Newsmax.

What I am seeing is a complete lack of concern or care about the rampant leftist election fraud from those in positions to do something about it.
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