CIA Director Gina Haspel Arrested For Treason

[DCPatriot]

Not asking for a cheerleader, just looking for evidence you care about theft of elections in the abstract, even if you don't like the person from which an election is stolen.  Won't matter in a couple months anyway.   

@Cyber Liberty

LOL!   Sometimes, your sarcasm escapes me.

...cause if indeed BIDEN/HARRIS are installed in 6 weeks, it's going to "matter" a helluva lot!

Side note:  It's really easy to divorce yourself from the ramifications of this outright theft/fraud by the Left when you are segregated from society, living on a mountain somewhere.  It's from that perspective in which I ignore @roamer_1 's POVs for the most part.

[Smokin Joe]

Hate ain't the point. Agenda is the point. And in that, as is glaringly obvious, Republicans are closer to Democrats than to Conservatives... Like I said, Tumpy doesn't matter. He's been compartmentalized since day one. He gets what he gets to do by EO and no more. What he has done by law is what the liberals and moderates agree upon, and is far from Conservative. So at worst, those EOs are gonna make it 8 years and be gone, while in the meantime the big.gov sh*t and NWO sh*t  keeps motoring right through to law.

For crying out loud. this ain't that hard to see. The ONLY thing that will stop it is Conservatives at the levers of power in the house and senate, and a solid hard right Congress and Senate... Chopping off whole chunks of the fed, and drying up the money with a hard pressed tourniquet.

NONE of that happened under Tump. None of that happened in the Booshes. it has done nothing but GROW and grow exponentially.

As to corruption... It has been made clear to me that the only satisfactory answer to that around here is to get in line behind Tumpy the Clown and swear fealty, and I sure as hell ain't going to do that.

So screw it.

Trump doesn't elect the Congress, we do. We don't get a lot to pick from because the Parties have all that sewed up by the time someone is put forth as a Congressional candidate. Daddy Bush babbled about the New World Order, and it's been Left foot, Right foot, shuffling down the road to totalitarianism since--and they were on their way prior to that.

This has been a modest respite in that some of those EOs have set the US up better to resist, awakened a lot of people to the scam, even if they have awakened because of loyalty to Trump.

The question is simple. Either the ballot box means something, or we only have one box left.

[roamer_1]

Not asking for a cheerleader, just looking for evidence you care about theft of elections in the abstract, even if you don't like the person from which an election is stolen.  Won't matter in a couple months anyway.   

Evidence? Howabout DECLARATIONS! Should not be hard to find, even on this thread. I have not been shy about it.

[roamer_1]

@Cyber Liberty

LOL!   Sometimes, your sarcasm escapes me.

...cause if indeed BIDEN/HARRIS are installed in 6 weeks, it's going to "matter" a helluva lot!

As I have said, I see no difference between the Democrats and Republicans. If there WAS a difference, then the Republicans would strive against the Democrats, which they do not.

Side note:  It's really easy to divorce yourself from the ramifications of this outright theft/fraud by the Left when you are segregated from society, living on a mountain somewhere.  It's from that perspective in which I ignore @roamer_1 's POVs for the most part.

What of the outright theft performed by Republicans just the same? My cousin lives in a Republican state under Republican rule, and he saw his business destroyed just the same as mine was during this tyranny they call covid. All of his treasure, the accumulation of twenty years, GONE, every bit as much as mine.

Segregated from society? REALLY @DCPatriot ?
Most of the big-box stores, movie houses, and food chains are mere miles from me even as i speak. 'Society' as you would have it, is but a brisk half hour walk away from me right now.

The difference is not in that I reject it I think (though I certainly DO), but rather, that I CAN. So many of y'all have no choice but to bow to it... Which of course means that y'all will be crushed by tyranny, no matter which way you choose, and largely ARE, already, liberty having no course whatsoever, that you might recognize it and save yourselves.

In that I understand your jealousy - Though I don't believe you do. 

[Cyber Liberty]

The difference is not in that I reject it I think (though I certainly DO), but rather, that I CAN. So many of y'all have no choice but to bow to it... Which of course means that y'all will be crushed by tyranny, no matter which way you choose, and largely ARE, already, liberty having no course whatsoever, that you might recognize it and save yourselves.

And that's why I left the 'burbs the instant I retired, and got a small Castle up in the foothills. 

[Bigun]

The difference is not in that I reject it I think (though I certainly DO), but rather, that I CAN. So many of y'all have no choice but to bow to it... Which of course means that y'all will be crushed by tyranny, no matter which way you choose, and largely ARE, already, liberty having no course whatsoever, that you might recognize it and save yourselves.

And all that has been true for much longer than Trump has been on the scene!  VERY much longer in fact!

[skeeter]

And all that has been true for much longer than Trump has been on the scene!  VERY much longer in fact!

What @roamer_1 will never understand is we are painfully aware of the threat today’s ruling establishment represents and that to most of us Trump was our big middle finger to them. Impotent, in the end, maybe but it was well worth the try.

[roamer_1]

And all that has been true for much longer than Trump has been on the scene!  VERY much longer in fact!

That's right.

[roamer_1]

What @roamer_1 will never understand is we are painfully aware of the threat today’s ruling establishment represents and that to most of us Trump was our big middle finger to them. Impotent, in the end, maybe but it was well worth the try.

Yeah @skeeter , I DO see that. And as much as I enjoy flipping em the big ol bird, what I am pointing to are the things that are not impotent. The things that are necessary to liberty, and the ability to actually fight, or at least survive tyranny.

Liberty has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

What is about to come upon us as a people IS a consequence - A consequence of failing to uphold the responsibilities of liberty.

That consequence will be suffered most by those who are furthest from being able to safeguard liberty - the ones who have neglected individualism... The ones who have neglected federalism... The ones who have given up their right to arms and subsistence off the land. The comforts of the collective (what all y'all consider pleasant society) have robbed you of the ability to do for yourself.

In that, you are right - I see that Tump is wholly a waste of time albeit that he may be considered a last act of defiance. To have eschewed the principled assault the TEA Party represented for the paltry gratifications of Tumpy the middle finger, was a monumental mistake. Investing in a messiah rather  than in the long hard work of building a Conservative majority - A coalition of responsible lawmakers to take over the levers of power - will likely be the end of things.

Because in the end it marks the right being more interested in the comforts of freedom than being willing to suffer the responsibilities of liberty. It has been a disappointment to me to understand how far that has reached into the Right, and how few are left to comprehend it.

[skeeter]

Yeah @skeeter , I DO see that. And as much as I enjoy flipping em the big ol bird, what I am pointing to are the things that are not impotent. The things that are necessary to liberty, and the ability to actually fight, or at least survive tyranny.

Liberty has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

What is about to come upon us as a people IS a consequence - A consequence of failing to uphold the responsibilities of liberty.

That consequence will be suffered most by those who are furthest from being able to safeguard liberty - the ones who have neglected individualism... The ones who have neglected federalism... The ones who have given up their right to arms and subsistence off the land. The comforts of the collective (what all y'all consider pleasant society) have robbed you of the ability to do for yourself.

In that, you are right - I see that Tump is wholly a waste of time albeit that he may be considered a last act of defiance. To have eschewed the principled assault the TEA Party represented for the paltry gratifications of Tumpy the middle finger, was a monumental mistake. Investing in a messiah rather  than in the long hard work of building a Conservative majority - A coalition of responsible lawmakers to take over the levers of power - will likely be the end of things.

Because in the end it marks the right being more interested in the comforts of freedom than being willing to suffer the responsibilities of liberty. It has been a disappointment to me to understand how far that has reached into the Right, and how few are left to comprehend it.

Im always amazed at how stupid you think the rest of us are.

[roamer_1]

Im always amazed at how stupid you think the rest of us are.

I am sorry you take it that way. Because that is not how it is intended.

[Cyber Liberty]

I am sorry you take it that way. Because that is not how it is intended.

I didn't.  I always considered you "convince-able," as long as we got good enough evidence.   

We're getting there, as I knew would happen.

[roamer_1]

I didn't.  I always considered you "convince-able," as long as we got good enough evidence.   

We're getting there, as I knew would happen.

WRT election fraud? I need no convincing at all. I KNOW our election system is corrupt. I have known it long before Tump. It is not a matter of convincing. It is and always has been a matter of actionable proof.

I have been 'Orly Taitzed' into a condition similar to being comfortably numb. Hair-on-fire-come-to-Jesus crap doesn't even move my meter. Dragging out a whole parade just makes me look for another way to get across town.

If it ain't a money shot, I just get bored.

[Cyber Liberty]

WRT election fraud? I need no convincing at all. I KNOW our election system is corrupt. I have known it long before Tump. It is not a matter of convincing. It is and always has been a matter of actionable proof.

I have been 'Orly Taitzed' into a condition similar to being comfortably numb. Hair-on-fire-come-to-Jesus crap doesn't even move my meter. Dragging out a whole parade just makes me look for another way to get across town.

If it ain't a money shot, I just get bored.

BTW, Orly the Dentist has filed a lawsuit disputing the election...lol.  I've already seen Members post that because Orly Taitz filed a suit, it's proof-positive Trump's trying to steal Biden's honest victory.   

[roamer_1]

BTW, Orly the Dentist has filed a lawsuit disputing the election...lol.  I've already seen Members post that because Orly Taitz filed a suit, it's proof-positive Trump's trying to steal Biden's honest victory.   

*Rolls eyes*... She is a caricature and always has been... That she was once considered a golden unicorn by the birthers is such an embarrassment. How folks go wandering off after lemming leaders is beyond me. I guess my clinging to orthodoxy makes me immune. 

Conservatives, it is said, are harder to herd than cats. I have always believed that to be true. Which makes me wonder at folks so willing to be herded.

[Cyber Liberty]

*Rolls eyes*... She is a caricature and always has been... That she was once considered a golden unicorn by the birthers is such an embarrassment. How folks go wandering off after lemming leaders is beyond me. I guess my clinging to orthodoxy makes me immune. 

Conservatives, it is said, are harder to herd than cats. I have always believed that to be true. Which makes me wonder at folks so willing to be herded.

In the case of this election, herding is not required to come to the conclusion Biden cheated his way into office.  People have come to that conclusion all on their own.  Most of us are alarmed this is a turning point on the road to single (socialist) party rule, because this scale of cheating could become the new normal.

[roamer_1]

In the case of this election, herding is not required to come to the conclusion Biden cheated his way into office.

Right, but that is no surprise to me... Anymore than it would be a surprise for Turtle to block the rise of anyone reasonably conservative on the Right...

The fix has been in for a long, long time.

People have come to that conclusion all on their own.  Most of us are alarmed this is a turning point on the road to single (socialist) party rule, because this scale of cheating could become the new normal.

This scale of cheating has been the new normal since electronic online balloting as been available. I am happy that folks are wakening to it... But again, all for naught without actionable proof.

[Cyber Liberty]

Right, but that is no surprise to me... Anymore than it would be a surprise for Turtle to block the rise of anyone reasonably conservative on the Right...

The fix has been in for a long, long time.

This scale of cheating has been the new normal since electronic online balloting as been available. I am happy that folks are wakening to it... But again, all for naught without actionable proof.

I agree with almost all of that, except I don't think online balloting is available in most states.  Oregon and Washington state, I think are the only ones.  But...the fact that Dominion had their tabulators connected to the internet is basically the same thing.

What's different here is there are credible allegations the big cheat is downstream from the polling places, at the counting centers' computers actually changing the votes.

[Bigun]

WRT election fraud? I need no convincing at all. I KNOW our election system is corrupt. I have known it long before Tump. It is not a matter of convincing. It is and always has been a matter of actionable proof.

I have been 'Orly Taitzed' into a condition similar to being comfortably numb. Hair-on-fire-come-to-Jesus crap doesn't even move my meter. Dragging out a whole parade just makes me look for another way to get across town.

If it ain't a money shot, I just get bored.

It's not just our election system that is corrupt! It's the entire Feral government now!

[catfish1957]

It's not just our election system that is corrupt! It's the entire Feral government now!

Exactly....  And without Trump to at least fight the tide, the swamp creatures will run rampant again,

[Cyber Liberty]

It's not just our election system that is corrupt! It's the entire Feral government now!

That's GIGO at work.

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly....  And without Trump to at least fight the tide, the swamp creatures will run rampant again,

But now, they have the tools to ensure no outsider ever gets elected dogcatcher.

[roamer_1]

I agree with almost all of that, except I don't think online balloting is available in most states.  Oregon and Washington state, I think are the only ones.  But...the fact that Dominion had their tabulators connected to the internet is basically the same thing.

That's what I mean.

What's different here is there are credible allegations the big cheat is downstream from the polling places, at the counting centers' computers actually changing the votes.

It can be done right at the voting centers too - the OS for electronic voting machines is on an ssd which of course is easy to alter with access. which sounds like what happened with the 37 vote thing - that is actual ballots being cast wrongly. This stuff is all over YooToob.

How easy is it to hide an algorithmic function in a proprietary .dll and have it regulated and turned on and off with config/reg settings that would have no evident meaning? Simple.

If we are going to have electronic voting at all, one will have to rely on high quality hackers from both sides to keep it honest, or rely wholly on open source published software that can be perused for corruption by anyone.

[roamer_1]

It's not just our election system that is corrupt! It's the entire Feral government now!

Yep. And hence, my 'Throw ALL the Bastards Out' campaign...

[Cyber Liberty]

That's what I mean.

It can be done right at the voting centers too - the OS for electronic voting machines is on an ssd which of course is easy to alter with access. which sounds like what happened with the 37 vote thing - that is actual ballots being cast wrongly. This stuff is all over YooToob.

How easy is it to hide an algorithmic function in a proprietary .dll and have it regulated and turned on and off with config/reg settings that would have no evident meaning? Simple.

If we are going to have electronic voting at all, one will have to rely on high quality hackers from both sides to keep it honest, or rely wholly on open source published software that can be perused for corruption by anyone.

My understanding that the long-form user's manual for the Smartmatic/Dominion software actually told them where to cheat, and I suspect Powell's team found it in the 500+ pages of manual.  Here, it's good to remember the program was designed for cheating when developed by Venezuela and perfected elsewhere.  It's easy to leave the resource hooks in the software, but really stupid to document it as a feature.

I envision some version of Block Chain keeping tabs on revision history is in the future cards.  It was written from the ground up to prevent meddling.  Nothing beats using the  Heisenberg Theory for that kind of security.  (The act of looking at the code, changes the code.)