Georgia: Legal Updates

[Hoodat]

You mean the same stupid GA SOS who rebuked Trump that the election was sound and accurate?

He's got to be crawling under a rock right now.

The Governor, Attorney General, and Secretary of State are all on the take.  And the Lt. Governor has been marginalized with some other unrelated scandal that he is bowing out at the end of his term.

[Hoodat]

She reminds me of a song...

Going downtown, gonna see my gal

Gonna sing her a song
I'm gonna show her my ding dong!

=Blind Melon Chitlin'

[mystery-ak]

Georgia Secretary of State Announces Investigation of Fulton County over Missing Ballot FormsKatherine Hamilton 15 Jun 2021

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger tweeted Monday that Fulton County is under investigation by his office for its inability to produce ballot drop box transfer forms for absentee ballots from the November 3, 2020, general election.

The investigation follows a lengthy piece by the Georgia Star News, in which a Fulton County election official admitted that “a few forms are missing” and that “some procedural paperwork may have been misplaced.”

According to records cited by the Georgia Star News, Fulton County should have been able to provide the publication with an estimated 1,565 transfer forms upon an Open Records Request. Since the publication requested the documents several months ago, the county has reportedly provided 1,180 transfer forms, which can be viewed here.

At least 385 absentee ballot transfer forms are still missing, which would account for approximately 18,901 votes. The number is decidedly higher than “a few” — President Joe Biden won the state of Georgia by fewer than 12,000 votes.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/georgia-secretary-of-state-raffensperger-announces-investigation-of-fulton-county-over-missing-absentee-ballot-transfer-forms/

[Cyber Liberty]

Georgia Secretary of State Announces Investigation of Fulton County over Missing Ballot FormsKatherine Hamilton 15 Jun 2021

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger tweeted Monday that Fulton County is under investigation by his office for its inability to produce ballot drop box transfer forms for absentee ballots from the November 3, 2020, general election.

The investigation follows a lengthy piece by the Georgia Star News, in which a Fulton County election official admitted that “a few forms are missing” and that “some procedural paperwork may have been misplaced.”

According to records cited by the Georgia Star News, Fulton County should have been able to provide the publication with an estimated 1,565 transfer forms upon an Open Records Request. Since the publication requested the documents several months ago, the county has reportedly provided 1,180 transfer forms, which can be viewed here.

At least 385 absentee ballot transfer forms are still missing, which would account for approximately 18,901 votes. The number is decidedly higher than “a few” — President Joe Biden won the state of Georgia by fewer than 12,000 votes.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/georgia-secretary-of-state-raffensperger-announces-investigation-of-fulton-county-over-missing-absentee-ballot-transfer-forms/

When the hand gets flashy, stop and take a look at what the other hand is doing.  What's really going on?  Riff-raff has been throwing around all this crap about the "honest election" for half a year, and now he's freaking out over paperwork? 

Doesn't feel right.   Doesn't pass the smell test.

[BassWrangler]

When the hand gets flashy, stop and take a look at what the other hand is doing.  What's really going on?  Riff-raff has been throwing around all this crap about the "honest election" for half a year, and now he's freaking out over paperwork? 

Doesn't feel right.   Doesn't pass the smell test.

Reminds me of the way Jake Trapper will occasionally make a point sympathetic to the right as a way of trying to conceal the fact that he's a biased, left-wing idealogue with zero journalistic integrity.

[Hoodat]

Georgia audit documents expose significant election failures in state's largest county

Records suggest more than 100 batches of absentee ballots in Fulton County could be missing. Some experts see "election tabulation malpractice" as state officials seek to remove county's top election supervisors.

John Solomon and Daniel Payne   |   Updated: June 17, 2021 - 10:28am

ocuments that Georgia's largest county submitted to state officials as part of a post-election audit highlight significant irregularities in the Atlanta area during last November's voting, ranging from identical vote tallies repeated multiple times to large batches of absentee ballots that appear to be missing from the official ballot-scanning records.

The problems in predominantly Democratic Fulton County potentially impact thousands of ballots in a presidential race that Joe Biden was certified as winning statewide by fewer than 12,000 votes.

The memos reviewed by Just the News include the handwritten tally sheets for all absentee ballots counted by the county as well as a private report from a contractor hired by Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to monitor the Atlanta-area election process. The report, which chronicled seven days of problems, recorded troubling behavior like the mysterious removal of a suitcase of sensitive election data known as polls pads, used to authenticate voters.

"Learn that Rick reprogramming poll pads earlier was setting up a new precinct for SC11 because someone took the wrong suitcase but only took one," the contractor Seven Hills Strategy wrote late on Nov. 2, the night before Election Day. "Seems to be a mystery who this person was --> Should have chain of custody paperwork!! That means that a stranger just walked out with sensitive election materials?"  .  .  .

SOS7HillStrategyFultonCountyNotes.pdf

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-audit-documents-show-unsecured-missing-ballot-batches-ballots

[Hoodat]

From the article above:

"Fulton County's inability to account for so many batches reported from a November hand recount audit amounts to election tabulation malpractice," he said. "Anyone who can count should know that is unacceptable. This evidence produced in court on May 21 justified the audit which Judge Amero ordered of the absentee ballots and envelopes."

In other words, they knew after the recount that these discrepancies existed, but gave the recount a clean bill of health.  This set the stage for the same discrepancies being repeated in the January senate races.  If they had acted on this back in November, then Purdue would have avoided a runoff and kept his Senate seat.

[BassWrangler]

From the article above:

In other words, they knew after the recount that these discrepancies existed, but gave the recount a clean bill of health.  This set the stage for the same discrepancies being repeated in the January senate races.  If they had acted on this back in November, then Purdue would have avoided a runoff and kept his Senate seat.

Did you see this article? I forgot where I saw it, so it may have been posted here:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/failed-gubernatorial-candidate-stacey-abrams-hired-controlled-staffing-fulton-county-georgias-2020-election/

According to the article, Abrams, the gap-toothed election sow, via companies she controls, had control over election tabulation in Fulton County.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Georgia audit documents expose significant election failures in state's largest county

Records suggest more than 100 batches of absentee ballots in Fulton County could be missing. Some experts see "election tabulation malpractice" as state officials seek to remove and incarcerate for election fraud county's top election supervisors.

What this should be saying.

Removing a criminal from employment does not eliminate the intimidation someone else will do the same.

[thackney]

[Records suggest more than 100 batches of absentee ballots in Fulton County could be missing.

I would like to see the count of the ballots they have found, and the vote count.  Are 99% of the missing batches of ballots for Biden?  This should be revealed.

[Cyber Liberty]

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I would like to see the count of the ballots they have found, and the vote count.  Are 99% of the missing batches of ballots for Biden?  This should be revealed.

I'd bet money they're Trump ballots.

[thackney]

I'd bet money they're Trump ballots.

I was thinking of ballots used in the vote count then disappeared to avoid looking like obvious copies.

[Cyber Liberty]

I was thinking of ballots used in the vote count then disappeared to avoid looking like obvious copies.

I can see that. But I think the plan is to attempt to "preserve" Biteme's "lead," not CYA for minions.

[Hoodat]

I was thinking of ballots used in the vote count then disappeared to avoid looking like obvious copies.

Those ballots haven't disappeared.  They are still sitting there, having been run through the machines multiple times.  What is missing is extra ballots needed to account for the duplicate votes.

[Smokin Joe]

Those ballots haven't disappeared.  They are still sitting there, having been run through the machines multiple times.  What is missing is extra ballots needed to account for the duplicate votes.

That's what I figured, too.

[sneakypete]

I can see that. But I think the plan is to attempt to "preserve" Biteme's "lead," not CYA for minions.

@Cyber Liberty

Minions are never anything more than cannon fodder.

[mystery-ak]

BREAKING: Trump Releases Statement After Georgia Purges Over 100k Names From Voter Rolls — ‘Why Wasn’t This Done BEFORE The Election?’
https://en-volve.com/2021/06/22/breaking-trump-releases-statement-after-georgia-purges-over-100k-names-from-voter-rolls-why-wasnt-this-done-before-the-election/

[BassWrangler]

BREAKING: Trump Releases Statement After Georgia Purges Over 100k Names From Voter Rolls — ‘Why Wasn’t This Done BEFORE The Election?’
https://en-volve.com/2021/06/22/breaking-trump-releases-statement-after-georgia-purges-over-100k-names-from-voter-rolls-why-wasnt-this-done-before-the-election/

He's got a point!

[Cyber Liberty]

He's got a point!

I think States do the purges after elections.  Laws govern these actions, although they are often followed in the breach.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I think States do the purges after elections.  Laws govern these actions, although they are often followed in the breach.

Nothing prevents a state from doing a purge any time the legislature sees fit.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nothing prevents a state from doing a purge any time the legislature sees fit.

That's correct.  In AZ, there's one done following elections, by the authority of the Legislature.  It should never done right before an election.

[HoustonSam]

That's correct.  In AZ, there's one done following elections, by the authority of the Legislature.  It should never done right before an election.

That seems counter-intuitive to me.  Why is this?

[skeeter]

That seems counter-intuitive to me.  Why is this?

I agree. Cleaning the voter rolls immediately after an election will guarantee the losing side will have a legitimate grievance each and every time.

[HoustonSam]

I agree. Cleaning the voter rolls immediately after an election will guarantee the losing side will have a grievance each and every time.

While cleaning them immediately before seems harmless, because the names being purged should not be on the voter rolls anyway.

What am I not seeing here?

[skeeter]

While cleaning them immediately before seems harmless, because the names being purged should not be on the voter rolls anyway.

Harmless unless your aim is to 'pants' the honest citizenry.

[Smokin Joe]

While cleaning them immediately before seems harmless, because the names being purged should not be on the voter rolls anyway.

What am I not seeing here?

There will be claims that voters are being disenfranchised.

Doesn't matter if they don't live there or are dead.

Only one mistake, and it'll be national news.

[Cyber Liberty]

That seems counter-intuitive to me.  Why is this?

Because people who have been inactive for years will get interested for an "important election" and want to vote. My friend the County Recorder would be inundated with phone calls and threats of lawsuits if they are suddenly ineligible to cast a vote.

[HoustonSam]

Because people who have been inactive for years will get interested for an "important election" and want to vote. My friend the County Recorder would be inundated with phone calls and threats of lawsuits if they are suddenly ineligible to cast a vote.

But wouldn't they have to re-register anyway if they've been inactive?  I guess I can't get past the idea that the only names purged are names *no longer eligible to vote* for any number of reasons.

And if they had actually been purged right after the prior election, why would that be any different when they suddenly decide they want to vote in the "important" upcoming election?  Wouldn't the County Recorder be getting all the same irate phone calls and threats?

I'm not questioning that your explanation is the true explanation, I certainly believe you.  I'm questioning whether it's valid thinking.

[Cyber Liberty]

But wouldn't they have to re-register anyway if they've been inactive?  I guess I can't get past the idea that the only names purged are names *no longer eligible to vote* for any number of reasons.

And if they had actually been purged right after the prior election, why would that be any different when they suddenly decide they want to vote in the "important" upcoming election?  Wouldn't the County Recorder be getting all the same irate phone calls and threats?

I'm not questioning that your explanation is the true explanation, I certainly believe you.  I'm questioning whether it's valid thinking.

By the time they realize they're off the list, it's too late to re-register. This is true gor states th hat have a Registration deadline 30 days prior to the election.

[skeeter]

By the time they realize they're off the list, it's too late to re-register. This is true gor states th hat have a Registration deadline 30 days prior to the election.

They could get around that by mailing out a warning postcard to the same address they would send the election info a few months prior to the election.

It could easily be done were there the will to do so.

[HoustonSam]

By the time they realize they're off the list, it's too late to re-register. This is true gor states th hat have a Registration deadline 30 days prior to the election.

I don't follow that logic completely, but I suppose as long as the voter list is purged of ineligibles at least once between each pair of consecutive elections, it should all work out correctly.  That assumes that eligibility dates are tied to election dates.

So a valid response to Trump's question would be that the voter rolls *were* cleaned up before the last election, and this clean up is for the next election.

[Cyber Liberty]

They could get around that by mailing out a warning postcard to the same address they would send the election info a few months prior to the election.

It could easily be done were there the will to do so.

We do that in our County. Mails, phone calls, etc.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't follow that logic completely, but I suppose as long as the voter list is purged of ineligibles at least once between each pair of consecutive elections, it should all work out correctly.  That assumes that eligibility dates are tied to election dates.

So a valid response to Trump's question would be that the voter rolls *were* cleaned up before the last election, and this clean up is for the next election.

Exactly. And that is precisely the answer he's getting from the States I'm sure.

[roamer_1]

While cleaning them immediately before seems harmless, because the names being purged should not be on the voter rolls anyway.

What am I not seeing here?

I was illegitimately disenfranchised this election - Because my residence did not match my mailing address - And I was left with no recourse... By the time I found out something was wrong, I had no time to fix it.

That would be a reason not to mess with it before an election...

[roamer_1]

I don't follow that logic completely, but I suppose as long as the voter list is purged of ineligibles at least once between each pair of consecutive elections, it should all work out correctly.  That assumes that eligibility dates are tied to election dates.

So a valid response to Trump's question would be that the voter rolls *were* cleaned up before the last election, and this clean up is for the next election.

Yahbutt.... 100k.... That seems large for a semi-annual norm.

[HoustonSam]

I was illegitimately disenfranchised this election - Because my residence did not match my mailing address - And I was left with no recourse... By the time I found out something was wrong, I had no time to fix it.

That would be a reason not to mess with it before an election...

Seems like a good example that between-consecutive-election purging should happen with plenty of time remaining for people to register. 

[roamer_1]

Seems like a good example that between-consecutive-election purging should happen with plenty of time remaining for people to register.

I would have no objection to that. Or at least notification. I had no idea I'd been scrubbed.

[Victoria33]

I think States do the purges after elections.  Laws govern these actions, although they are often followed in the breach.

@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@roamer_1
@libertybele

No, Cyber, there is a set, by law, way to keep voter lists current.  This is how it is done in Texas and other states have something similar:

People on the voter list get a new voter card every two years. If the card comes back as "undeliverable", a notation is done on that name.  The next time cards are sent out, it that card comes back again as "undeliverable", the name is put on a "suspension" list.  The next time if the card comes back as "undeliverable" the name is removed from the voter list.  I am not going to look up that law and may have gotten the number of times the card comes back wrong, before it is removed, but you get the idea this is the type system that is used.

If persons working elections knew the rules, which are the laws, voting would be done correctly.  The problem is, it seems, VERY FEW PEOPLE bother to have the law book and read the rules how to do a certain voting job.  I went to Texas counties and taught the Texas Election Code law book to Republicans and those people had never seen one. I feel sure every state is like this so no wonder elections are "screwed up" and always will be. 

You have to know the rules to win a game and if you play the election game, the rules are in the law book.

[Hoodat]

You have to know the rules to win a game and if you play the election game, the rules are in the law book.

Knowing the rules doesn't mean Jack when the rules are ignored.

[BassWrangler]

Knowing the rules doesn't mean Jack when the rules are ignored.

One side plays by the rules, the other doesn't. Guess who wins in that situation.

[sneakypete]

One side plays by the rules, the other doesn't. Guess who wins in that situation.

@BassWrangler

The side that controls the White House and signs the spending bills.

[mystery-ak]

GA State Senator: ‘I Think We Can Ask For Our 16 Electoral College Votes Back And Park Em Here’


https://rumble.com/embed/vgkdfn/?pub=4


https://conservativebrief.com/can-ask-for-43894/

[Hoodat]

Brandon Beach is a good man.

[PeteS in CA]

Georgia secretary of state says he wants Fulton County elections taken over by state

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-secretary-state-says-he-wants-fulton-county-elections-taken-over

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told Just the News on Wednesday that he wants Fulton County elections taken over by the state under a new law that addresses localities with habitual problems counting ballots, dramatically escalating his battle with the state's largest urban center in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

"I think people are saying, enough is enough," Raffensperger said in a podcast interview in which he discussed using the new election integrity law known as Senate Bill 202 to have the State Elections Board take over the Atlanta-area election counting in time for the 2022 elections.

Didn't he arrogantly claim in November, 2020 that there was no fraud in GA's election? Quite a reversal! Raffensperger's got some 'splainin' to do! And apologizing!

[Hoodat]

Didn't he arrogantly claim in November, 2020 that there was no fraud in GA's election? Quite a reversal! Raffensperger's got some 'splainin' to do! And apologizing!

What good is a new law going to do when Raffensperger refuses to abide by the current one?

[BassWrangler]

Georgia secretary of state says he wants Fulton County elections taken over by state

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-secretary-state-says-he-wants-fulton-county-elections-taken-over

Didn't he arrogantly claim in November, 2020 that there was no fraud in GA's election? Quite a reversal! Raffensperger's got some 'splainin' to do! And apologizing!

[Hoodat]

Georgia Conducting Secret 2020 Ballot Review -- Keeping Plaintiffs in the Dark

Paul Sperry   |   June 22, 2021

After several Fulton County, Ga., poll monitors testified last year that boxes of mail-in ballots for Joe Biden looked liked they’d been run through a photocopy machine, state investigators quietly broke the seal on one suspicious box and inspected the hundreds of votes it contained for signs of fraud, RealClearInvestigations has learned exclusively.

At the same time, a key whistleblower told RCI that state investigators pressured her to recant her story about what she and other poll monitors had observed -- what they called unusually “pristine” mail-in ballots while sorting through them during last November’s hand recount.

“I felt I was under investigation,” said Suzi Voyles, a longtime Fulton County poll manager whose sworn affidavits have been used by election watchdogs to sue the county for access to the ballots in question.

Although the ballots are at the center of disputes about the Georgia presidential race, which Joe Biden won by just 12,000 votes, the state never disclosed its probe to the public or to election watchdogs suing to inspect the ballots.

State officials also neglected to inform the judge hearing the lawsuit that they were conducting such an inspection, even though the judge had issued a protective order over the ballots in January. In a nine-page amicus brief recently filed in the case, attorneys for the office of Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger urged Superior Court Judge Brian Amero to deny petitioners’ requests to inspect the ballots, calling them a “fishing expedition.”  .  .  .

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/22/georgia_conducting_secret_20_ballot_review_-_keeping_plaintiffs_in_the_dark_782204.html


So with a civil case ongoing, the Secretary of State denies plaintiff access to the ballots while at the same time secretly giving his office accesses the ballots.  These ballots are under court seal.  Can you say 'evidence tampering'?

[mountaineer]

New Evidence Indicates Enough Illegal Votes In Georgia To Tip 2020 Results
In Georgia, there was both an audit and a statewide recount confirming Biden’s victory, but ignored in the process was evidence that nearly 35,000 Georgians had potentially voted illegally.
By Margot Cleveland
July 9, 2021

New evidence indicates that more than 10,300 illegal votes were cast in Georgia in the November 2020 general election — a number that will continue to rise over the next several months, potentially exceeding the 12,670 votes that separated Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

While this evidence does not change the fact that Joe Biden is our president, all Americans who genuinely care about free and fair elections and the disenfranchisement of voters should demand both transparency and solutions to prevent a repeat in future elections. This evidence also vindicates former President Trump and his legal team for the related public (and private) comments and legal arguments made in challenging the Georgia election results.

Under the cover of COVID-19, Georgia, like many other states, flooded residents with absentee ballot applications. Also like sister states, Georgia ignored various legislative mandates designed to prevent fraud and to ensure the integrity of the vote. These facts, coupled with the closeness of the presidential contest in Georgia and other states, led to a flurry of accusations and litigation charging vote fraud, illegal voting, and violations of the Elector’s Clause of the constitution. ...

The Federalist

[Hoodat]

New Evidence Indicates Enough Illegal Votes In Georgia To Tip 2020 Results

The old evidence indicated that, too.

[mystery-ak]

Arizona State Senator: Georgia Has Proof of Somebody Admitting to Running Ballots Through Numerous Times
https://conservativebrief.com/senator-has-proof-45011/