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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #400 on: December 14, 2020, 02:07:13 pm »
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Meanwhile, in another part of the GA State Capitol, 16 GOP electors cast ballots for Trump, declaring that "the contest of the election is ongoing." Photo via @HaistenWillis, who's reporting from the room.



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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #401 on: December 14, 2020, 02:15:32 pm »
This needs to be broadcast throughout the state

Rashida Tlaib: ‘Allah’ Has Given Opportunity to Show ‘Power of Muslims in Georgia’
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) claimed over the weekend that Muslim voters in Georgia have been given an opportunity from Allah to show their “power” in the Peach State during the Senate runoff elections.

Tlaib’s remarks came during an online “vote-a-thon,” which was co-hosted by the Georgia chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Georgia Muslim Voter Project.
“I hope that you realize just the opportunity here that Allah has given us to show the power of Muslims in Georgia,” Tlaib said, according to CNS News. “I want people to be like, oh my God, I didn’t even know Muslims are in Georgia. … Exactly! Because we’re going to show them in droves of numbers.”

“I want to, mash’allah [what Allah has willed] be able to say, ‘Look at the voting in these precincts and guess what? It was the Muslim vote that delivered Georgia,'” she added.

Others who took part in the “vote-a-thon” included “squad” member Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and the far-left Women’s March co-founder, Linda Sarsour.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/14/tlaib-allah-giving-opportunity-show-power-muslims-georgia/
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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #402 on: December 14, 2020, 02:17:05 pm »
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Meanwhile, in another part of the GA State Capitol, 16 GOP electors cast ballots for Trump, declaring that "the contest of the election is ongoing." Photo via @HaistenWillis, who's reporting from the room.



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Because the President’s lawsuit contesting the Georgia election is still pending, the Republican nominees for Presidential Elector met today at noon at the State Capitol today and cast their votes for President and Vice President.


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Had we not meet today and cast our votes, the President’s pending election contest would have been effectively mooted. Our action today preserves his rights under Georgia law.


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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #403 on: December 14, 2020, 02:34:04 pm »
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Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?


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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #404 on: December 14, 2020, 03:16:48 pm »
There are rumblings on Al Gore's magnificent Internet that the Senate runoff in GA will be postponed. 

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« Reply #405 on: December 14, 2020, 08:36:47 pm »
Why was Cobb County selected?  I thought Fulton County had the obvious issues.

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JUST IN: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Announces Signature Audit For Absentee Ballots in Cobb County
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Published December 14, 2020 at 4:11pm

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Monday announced a signature audit in Cobb County.

“We stand ready to answer each and every question out there,” Raffensperger said. “Every Georgian should have faith in our elections.”

The audit should take two weeks to complete according to Raffensperger.

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 announced there will be signature audit in Cobb Co., GA based on info they did not verify signatures.

My .02 audit must include be in 3 places: signature on file, absentee ballot application sig, AND outer envelope sig - must verify ALL THREE.

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #406 on: December 15, 2020, 08:07:22 am »
Why was Cobb County selected?  I thought Fulton County had the obvious issues.

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Why Cobb?  Maybe because of this:



Without the envelopes, there is no way to check signatures.  Raffensperger knows this.  So does the State GOP.

btw, mail-in fraud was not in any way limited to Fulton.  It was state wide.  Cobb, Fulton, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Clayton, Henry, Chatham, Lowndes, Hall, Paulding - all saw huge jumps in Dem votes via mail-in ballots. 

I don't trust Raffensperger at all.  If he is giving his OK to signature checks in Cobb after refusing for the last six weeks, then he knows nothing will be found.  And the rules that he unilaterally (albeit illegally) put in place back in Spring without legislative approval will still be in effect during the runoff, which means that signatures won't be checked in that election either.  He needs for the Democrats to win both races in order to help exonerate himself from a future indictment.
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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #407 on: December 15, 2020, 08:53:03 am »
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Why Cobb?  Maybe because of this:



Without the envelopes, there is no way to check signatures.  Raffensperger knows this.  So does the State GOP.

btw, mail-in fraud was not in any way limited to Fulton.  It was state wide.  Cobb, Fulton, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Clayton, Henry, Chatham, Lowndes, Hall, Paulding - all saw huge jumps in Dem votes via mail-in ballots. 

I don't trust Raffensperger at all.  If he is giving his OK to signature checks in Cobb after refusing for the last six weeks, then he knows nothing will be found.  And the rules that he unilaterally (albeit illegally) put in place back in Spring without legislative approval will still be in effect during the runoff, which means that signatures won't be checked in that election either.  He needs for the Democrats to win both races in order to help exonerate himself from a future indictment.
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« Reply #408 on: December 15, 2020, 09:24:23 am »
Thx.

The next question is how many Georgians know what a pitchfork is?

We prefer long rifles.

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #409 on: December 15, 2020, 11:27:56 am »
Georgia Secretary of State Orders Absentee Ballot Signature Verification Audit for Cobb County

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger ordered an absentee ballot signature verification audit for Cobb County late Monday afternoon.

Raffensperger’s order came just hours after Democratic electors in Georgia cast 16 votes for Joe Biden in Monday’s meeting of the electoral college at the State Capitol. Earlier, Raffensperger certified that Biden secured a little less than 12,000 more votes than Donald Trump in the race for president in the November 3 general election in the state.

“Though the outcome of the race in Georgia will not change, conducting this audit follows in the footsteps of the audit-triggered hand recount we conducted in November to provide further confidence in the accuracy, security, and reliability of the vote in Georgia,” Raffensperger said in a statement. “I look forward to working with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Cobb County, and any other future partners to secure the vote in the Peach State.”

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #410 on: December 15, 2020, 11:42:46 am »
Georgia Secretary of State Orders Absentee Ballot Signature Verification Audit for Cobb County

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger ordered an absentee ballot signature verification audit for Cobb County late Monday afternoon.

Raffensperger’s order came just hours after Democratic electors in Georgia cast 16 votes for Joe Biden in Monday’s meeting of the electoral college at the State Capitol. Earlier, Raffensperger certified that Biden secured a little less than 12,000 more votes than Donald Trump in the race for president in the November 3 general election in the state.

“Though the outcome of the race in Georgia will not change, conducting this audit follows in the footsteps of the audit-triggered hand recount we conducted in November to provide further confidence in the accuracy, security, and reliability of the vote in Georgia,” Raffensperger said in a statement. “I look forward to working with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Cobb County, and any other future partners to secure the vote in the Peach State.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/15/georgia-secretary-of-state-orders-absentee-ballot-signature-verification-audit-for-cobb-county/

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #411 on: December 15, 2020, 12:02:30 pm »
Who do we think changes parties first:  Kemp or Raffensperger?

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« Reply #412 on: December 15, 2020, 12:05:49 pm »
Who do we think changes parties first:  Kemp or Raffensperger?

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Neither.

They are both more effective in destroying America where they are,and because of that,they will both get a bigger cut of the swag when the dust settles.

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #413 on: December 15, 2020, 01:25:39 pm »
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Georgia Code 21-2-92  (My bold
"No poll officer shall be eligible for any nomination for public office or to be voted for at a primary or election at which the poll officer shall serve. No person who is otherwise holding public office, other than a political party office, shall be eligible to be appointed as or to serve as a poll officer."
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I just came back to this thread and I need to fix what I said.  I should not have said, working at a "poll"or "polls".  Elected officials can work on elections, but not at a polling place.  The above law is talking about elected county/state office holders working at a polling place.  That is like Texas: they cannot work at a polling place but it does not mean these ELECTED officers cannot be part of running the election system.  Here is Georgia's law section about their Elections Advisory Council - note the elected officials working on their election system.  Consider the rest in quotes:

ELECTIONS ADVISORY COUNCIL
Thank you for visiting the Secretary of State’s Elections Advisory Council (EAC) website. Please click here to access the EAC Final Report and Recommendations.

Highlights from the EAC Final Report and Recommendations include urging the Georgia General Assembly to adopt the following proposals in the 2012 legislative session:

Amend the process by which Independent and political body candidates qualify for placement on the ballot.

Design and implement a secure electronic voter registration system.
To save money and reduce strain on county election offices, eliminate the September special election date to fill a vacancy in a county or municipal office in an even-numbered year.

Permit county election offices to save resources by utilizing electronic record retention technology for voter registration and related materials.

The EAC also recommends that the Georgia General Assembly consider these items as part of a legislative study committee: The EAC also recommends that the Georgia General Assembly consider these items as part of a legislative study committee:

Should the current majority threshold for election victory be changed to a set plurality for all elections?

Should the current majority threshold for election victory be changed to a set plurality for special elections only?

Should municipal elections that are currently held in odd-numbered years be held in even-numbered years?

Further, the EAC suggests the creation of the Georgia Election Code and State Election Board Rules Review Committee. The Committee will carefully examine each document and draft suggestions for clarification, consolidation and reorganization of materials to allow for better comprehension and understanding. For example, the Committee will consider revision and clarification of state election law regarding residency and where voters are required to cast their ballots.

Finally, the EAC recognizes that some items require future study by the Secretary of State’s Office before encouraging the Georgia General Assembly to enact changes to current election law. One example is the creation of vote centers so voters can cast their ballots in-person at any polling place within their county.

Background

Georgia has taken tremendous steps to implement numerous safeguards and voting opportunities that make our elections among the most secure and accessible in the country. Though we are proud of the progress we have made to secure our elections and guarantee ballot access for voters, there are always opportunities to improve our elections processes at all levels of government.

To achieve this goal, Secretary of State Brian Kemp formed the Secretary of State’s Elections Advisory Council (EAC). The EAC reviewed the Georgia Election Code and State Election Board Rules throughout 2011 to make recommendations that improve and strengthen Georgia’s election laws and procedures. In particular, the EAC looked for improvements that create cost savings and increase efficiencies for state, county and local governments.

The EAC is comprised of the following experienced election officials and leaders from across Georgia:

Lynn Bailey, Executive Director, Richmond County Board of Elections
Richard Barclift, Elections Superintendent, City of Chickamauga
Todd Blackwell, Baldwin County Probate Judge and Elections Superintendent
Nancy Boren, Director, Muscogee County Office of Elections and Voter Registration
State Senator Hardie Davis (D - Augusta)
State Representative Mark Hamilton (R - Cumming)
Mike Jablonski, General Counsel, Democratic Party of Georgia
Beth Kish, Elections and Registration Manager, Cobb County Board of Elections & Registration
Anne Lewis, General Counsel, Georgia Republican Party
Charles Schwabe, Mayor, City of Swainsboro
David Shock, Associate Professor of Political Science, Kennesaw State University
Jeff “Bodine” Sinyard, Chairman, Dougherty County Commission
Charlotte Sosebee, Hall County Elections Director
State Senator Cecil Staton (R - Macon)

The EAC conducted meetings in Atlanta, Savannah, Albany and Augusta to receive input from the public, organizations, county elections directors and elected officials. Each EAC meeting featured a period reserved for public comment, so citizens could provide members and others in attendance an overview of their issues and ideas. In addition, the EAC’s website featured an e-government resource that allowed Georgians to submit their ideas to strengthen Georgia’s elections online.

The EAC thanks every citizen who took time to attend a public meeting or submit a suggestion for election reform. This report demonstrates that despite our sometimes partisan differences, men and women dedicated to improving our great state can do so in a non-partisan manner for the benefit of all Georgians.

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« Reply #414 on: December 15, 2020, 02:00:33 pm »
I read somewhere that Kemp and his SOS got some sort of incentives from Dominion to use their machines. If so, and the results were fraudulent, it would be the end for both politically.
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Yesterday, I read about examining two Dominion machines by people who know how to do that, I don't remember which state, and both machines did switch numbers from Trump to Biden.  This happening has been found in Dominion machines in numerous states.  Those machines needs to be dumped and the company sued for sending out machines they knew would do that.

With Gov. Kemp, and his Secretary of State, who decides which machine to use, and their mainly saying nothing, did they get incentive cash from Dominion?  Otherwise, they would be on a hot trail to find out why their machines failed.  I cannot come up with a reason for them to stay mostly quiet, unless it is they are dirty.

So, are they going to use these same machines on Jan. 5?  Can "someone" who knows how, change them so they flip Democrat votes to Republican votes and the two Republicans win?  Would the governor and sec. of state, make that happen, or are they too scared to have it happen again?

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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #415 on: December 15, 2020, 02:09:22 pm »
So, are they going to use these same machines on Jan. 5?  Can "someone" who knows how, change them so they flip Democrat votes to Republican votes and the two Republicans win?  Would the governor and sec. of state, make that happen, or are they too scared to have it happen again?

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The rap on Dominion is hacking into their machines isn't a "bug," it's a "feature" that's documented in the long version of the Users Manual.  It's meant to be hackable, because its original purpose was for the CIA to use it to alter foreign elections.  They bought it from the Venezuelan government because it was so successful in their elections.

And, AFAIK, the same machines will be used in the Runoff elections in GA.  It's virtually guaranteed to repeat the 11/3/20 fiasco.
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« Reply #416 on: December 15, 2020, 02:16:56 pm »
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The rap on Dominion is hacking into their machines isn't a "bug," it's a "feature" that's documented in the long version of the Users Manual.  It's meant to be hackable, because its original purpose was for the CIA to use it to alter foreign elections.  They bought it from the Venezuelan government because it was so successful in their elections.
And, AFAIK, the same machines will be used in the Runoff elections in GA.  It's virtually guaranteed to repeat the 11/3/20 fiasco.
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Yes, I have read it is a "feature" and the Georgia Gov.,Sec.of.State should/would have known that, right?  It is a terrible thing those machines will put two Democrat Senators in the Senate.  Then, Biden cannot be checked.

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« Reply #417 on: December 15, 2020, 03:08:08 pm »
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Yes, I have read it is a "feature" and the Georgia Gov.,Sec.of.State should/would have known that, right?  It is a terrible thing those machines will put two Democrat Senators in the Senate.  Then, Biden cannot be checked.

@Victoria33 I think "a terrible thing" is an understatement.  Illegal, unconstitutional and treasonous is more like it. Not only will those machines add DEMS to the Senate, they will also seat a traitor who has financial ties and "dealings" with China.

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« Reply #418 on: December 15, 2020, 03:43:41 pm »
@Victoria33 I think "a terrible thing" is an understatement.  Illegal, unconstitutional and treasonous is more like it. Not only will those machines add DEMS to the Senate, they will also seat a traitor who has financial ties and "dealings" with China.

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Which is PRECISELY WHY THEY WERE USED.

They weren't used by accident. There is purpose at work,here.
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« Reply #419 on: December 15, 2020, 05:51:04 pm »
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It is a terrible thing those machines will put two Democrat Senators in the Senate.  Then, Biden cannot be checked.

Three.  Don't forget John James in Michigan.
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« Reply #420 on: December 15, 2020, 05:55:00 pm »
Three.  Don't forget John James in Michigan.

Good point. John James margin of loss in MI was half of that of DJT.  If the dims pull off GA, they will have effectively stolen both the Presidency and the Senate.
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« Reply #421 on: December 15, 2020, 06:10:21 pm »
Good point. John James margin of loss in MI was half of that of DJT.  If the dims pull off GA, they will have effectively stolen both the Presidency and the Senate.

And we'll have all 3 Branches in agreement that cheating in elections is a wonderful thing.  No blind eye, nosirree.  They all see it, and are just fine with it.

Within the next three cycles we'll see election results of >90% for the victors.  Just like the old USSR.
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« Reply #422 on: December 15, 2020, 07:12:34 pm »
And we'll have all 3 Branches in agreement that cheating in elections is a wonderful thing.  No blind eye, nosirree.  They all see it, and are just fine with it.

Within the next three cycles we'll see election results of >90% for the victors.  Just like the old USSR.

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« Reply #423 on: December 16, 2020, 01:54:39 pm »
How about this sports fans?

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Holy crap. The emergency order passed in Georgia to allow absentee voting (see: fraud) expired 5 days before the election with no renewal.

Every part of the #Georgia election process was illegal.

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« Reply #424 on: December 16, 2020, 06:00:18 pm »
Here is the press release that Raffensperger issued on Tuesday, March 24th 2020:

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RAFFENSPERGER TAKES UNPRECEDENTED STEPS TO PROTECT SAFETY AND VOTER INTEGRITY IN GEORGIA

(ATLANTA) -- Secretary of State Raffensperger is taking unprecedented steps to protect the public health of Georgia voters while also upholding the integrity of the vote. These temporary steps are being made because of the COVID-19 pandemic threatening public health in Georgia and around the world.

Secretary Raffensperger will be mailing absentee ballot request forms to every Georgia voter. This extraordinary effort to ensure all Georgians can vote without fear for their health will supplement extra measures to ensure those who rely on in-person voting to access the ballot can do so safely.

“Times of turbulence and upheaval like the one we Georgians face require decisive action .  .  .

That was 225 days before election day.  Here is the statute that Raffensperger used:

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§ 50-13-4 - Procedural requirements for adoption, amendment, or repeal of rules; emergency rules; limitation on action to contest rule; legislative override

(4)(b) (b) If any agency finds that an imminent peril to the public health, safety, or welfare, including but not limited to, summary processes such as quarantines, contrabands, seizures, and the like authorized by law without notice, requires adoption of a rule upon fewer than 30 days' notice and states in writing its reasons for that finding, it may proceed without prior notice or hearing or upon any abbreviated notice and hearing that it finds practicable to adopt an emergency rule. Any such rule adopted relative to a public health emergency shall be submitted as promptly as reasonably practicable to the House of Representatives and Senate Committees on Judiciary. The rule may be effective for a period of not longer than 120 days but the adoption of an identical rule under paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) of this Code section is not precluded; provided, however, that such a rule adopted pursuant to discharge of responsibility under an executive order declaring a state of emergency or disaster exists as a result of a public health emergency, as defined in Code Section 38-3-3, shall be effective for the duration of the emergency or disaster and for a period of not more than 120 days thereafter.

The use of this statute does not absolve Raffensperger of violating the US Constitution when it comes to election laws.  But the usage itself is now invalidated by the 120-day limit.
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« Reply #425 on: December 17, 2020, 03:47:18 am »
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« Reply #426 on: December 17, 2020, 09:33:29 am »
Here is the press release that Raffensperger issued on Tuesday, March 24th 2020:

That was 225 days before election day.  Here is the statute that Raffensperger used:

The use of this statute does not absolve Raffensperger of violating the US Constitution when it comes to election laws.  But the usage itself is now invalidated by the 120-day limit.
At a minimum, this guy should be held in jail without bond.

And if it is proved that the last minute software 'updates'  permitted machine vote switching occurred due to interference by foreign actors, trial for treason is called for.
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« Reply #427 on: December 18, 2020, 12:19:31 am »
At a minimum, this guy should be held in jail without bond.

And if it is proved that the last minute software 'updates'  permitted machine vote switching occurred due to interference by foreign actors, trial for treason is called for.
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« Reply #428 on: December 18, 2020, 09:11:51 am »
BREAKING: State of Georgia Issues Huge Announcement, Will Conduct Statewide Signature Audit

In a shocking announcement, the Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced that the state of Georgia would be conducting a statewide audit after receiving pressure from the Trump campaign.

“We are confident that elections in Georgia are secure, reliable, and effective,” Raffensperger said in a statement. “Despite endless lawsuits and wild allegations from Washington, D.C. pundits, we have seen no actual evidence of widespread voter fraud, though we are investigating all credible reports. Nonetheless, we look forward to working with the University of Georgia on this signature match review to further instill confidence in Georgia’s voting systems.”

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« Reply #429 on: December 18, 2020, 09:46:49 am »
BREAKING: State of Georgia Issues Huge Announcement, Will Conduct Statewide Signature Audit

In a shocking announcement, the Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced that the state of Georgia would be conducting a statewide audit after receiving pressure from the Trump campaign.

“We are confident that elections in Georgia are secure, reliable, and effective,” Raffensperger said in a statement. “Despite endless lawsuits and wild allegations from Washington, D.C. pundits, we have seen no actual evidence of widespread voter fraud, though we are investigating all credible reports. Nonetheless, we look forward to working with the University of Georgia on this signature match review to further instill confidence in Georgia’s voting systems.”

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LOL.  Of course he did.  Riff Raff ordered this because he knows all the signature envelopes were shredded.  He's not stupid, but he sure thinks we are. 
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« Reply #430 on: December 18, 2020, 09:51:20 am »
LOL.  Of course he did.  Riff Raff ordered this because he knows all the signature envelopes were shredded.  He's not stupid, but he sure thinks we are.

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BREAKING: State of Georgia Issues Huge Announcement, Will Conduct Statewide Signature Audit

Under Georgia law, signatures are supposed to be checked BEFORE they are counted, not after.  What a schmuck.
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Under Georgia law, signatures are supposed to be checked BEFORE they are counted, not after.  What a schmuck.
Once the ballot has been separated from the envelope, how do you check which ballots are legit or not?
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« Reply #433 on: December 18, 2020, 12:14:26 pm »
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DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS, CEO JOHN POULOS

Early this morning, I saw/heard the CEO of Dominion Voting Systems, John Poulos.  In fact, I saw/listened five times to be sure the notes I made were accurate.  It is my bold in the next quoted paragraph.

"John Poulos and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation was founded in 2002 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, by John Poulos and James Hoover.  The company develops proprietary software in-house and sells electronic voting hardware and software, including voting machines and tabulators, in the United States and Canada.  The company maintains headquarters in Toronto and in Denver, Colorado."

It is an American Company and was never in Venezuela, or Cuba, or Germany, or China, or Spain.   Now Rudy says two Venezuela men started the company and own it today.  Sidney Powell also says the company was started in Venezuela.  None of that is true.

CEO John Poulos has asked the Trump lawyers to make a statement they were wrong about Dominion and if they do not, he will go to court.  Poulos said he has testified this information under oath, saying the others have not.

The company is still in Canada and Denver, it has never been anywhere else.

The state of Michigan voting was brought up as their count was off and determined to be human error by voting personnel.  The machines did not flip votes on its own.

Third party labs check Dominion source codes to be sure they are correct.
The company reports to Federal EAC:  (I did not know about this Commission but certainly knew about the HAVA ACT as it started when I was working in politics.)

About the EAC
"The U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) was established by the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA). EAC is an independent, bipartisan commission charged with developing guidance to meet HAVA requirements, adopting voluntary voting system guidelines, and serving as a national clearinghouse of information on election administration. EAC also accredits testing laboratories and certifies voting systems, as well as audits the use of HAVA funds."

"Other responsibilities include maintaining the national mail voter registration form developed in accordance with the National Voter Registration Act of 1993."

"HAVA established the Standards Board and the Board of Advisors to advise EAC. The law also established the Technical Guidelines Development Committee to assist EAC in the development of voluntary voting system guidelines."

"The four EAC commissioners are appointed by the president and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. EAC is required to submit an annual report to Congress as well as testify periodically about HAVA progress and related issues. The commission also holds public meetings and hearings to inform the public about its progress and activities."

More about Dominion from CEO John Poulos:

Poulos says they have two type machines:

1.  Machine where people vote by paper ballot.

2.  Machine that counts paper ballots.


PULOS SAYS PAPER BALLOTS NEVER LEAVE A COUNTY.   No other country is involved in counting US ballots.  Again: Ballots stay in the county.

Now, you know more about Dominion Voting Systems, and a number of you will not believe it.
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« Reply #434 on: December 18, 2020, 12:29:43 pm »
It is an American Company and was never in Venezuela, or Cuba, or Germany, or China, or Spain.   Now Rudy says two Venezuela men started the company and own it today.  Sidney Powell also says the company was started in Venezuela.  None of that is true.

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This is a almost-clever "lie by omission."  It is probably true that Dominion has always been an American company, and has never been in Venezuela.  BUT:  Smartmatic WAS from Venezuela, and it WAS purchased by Dominion, along with all proprietary hardware and software.  The Smartmatic software, incorporated into its parent company's systems, was where all the ballot flipping occurred!

Surely you would know that you have to peel the onion a bit, and NEVER take a company's Press Release as gospel without a bit of leg work.  This is what the MSM is guilty of, simply printing Press Releases without checking them out.
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« Reply #435 on: December 18, 2020, 12:32:17 pm »
Neither the ballots nor the machines have to leave a county to have the tabulation machines ignore or flip votes. That can be done from anywhere in the world with an internet connection and knowledge of the systems involved, or within the facility using a usb drive to ptogram the machine. There has been ample time to make everything correct by now, and the County selected for this "statewide audit" is not one of the ones where major fraud appears to have occurred.

Again, I ask what meaning there is for a signature audit after the ballots have been removed from the envelopes?
How does anyone know what votes are legit?
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« Reply #436 on: December 18, 2020, 12:42:17 pm »
Neither the ballots nor the machines have to leave a county to have the tabulation machines ignore or flip votes. That can be done from anywhere in the world with an internet connection and knowledge of the systems involved, or within the facility using a usb drive to ptogram the machine. There has been ample time to make everything correct by now, and the County selected for this "statewide audit" is not one of the ones where major fraud appears to have occurred.

Again, I ask what meaning there is for a signature audit after the ballots have been removed from the envelopes?
How does anyone know what votes are legit?

I believe the envelopes were shredded by order of Riff Raff, so it's even more ridiculous than the fact the ballots and signatures cannot be matched because they were separated.
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« Reply #437 on: December 18, 2020, 01:25:36 pm »
I believe the envelopes were shredded by order of Riff Raff, so it's even more ridiculous than the fact the ballots and signatures cannot be matched because they were separated.
Maybe they have had time to make new ones?
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« Reply #438 on: December 18, 2020, 01:59:55 pm »

Third party labs check Dominion source codes to be sure they are correct.
The company reports to Federal EAC:  (I did not know about this Commission but certainly knew about the HAVA ACT as it started when I was working in politics.)


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In Georgia, not only did Dominion openly admit to making changes to their software in October 2020, they actually argued that recertification after those changes were made was unnecessary.  So tell me again about this third party lab, and show me where they signed off on changes being made that did not need recertification as required by law?
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« Reply #439 on: December 18, 2020, 04:26:27 pm »
Once the ballot has been separated from the envelope, how do you check which ballots are legit or not?
Of course you can't.

My bet is all envelopes were not shredded, so he will do his 'random sampling' of just those and at the end of the day declare he 'audited the entire state with a random sampling'

Only by taking a random sampling of ALL COUNTED ballots and match those up to a registered voters list of the time can this possibly be considered a viable audit.
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« Reply #440 on: December 18, 2020, 04:33:54 pm »
Of course you can't.

My bet is all envelopes were not shredded, so he will do his 'random sampling' of just those and at the end of the day declare he 'audited the entire state with a random sampling'

Only by taking a random sampling of ALL COUNTED ballots and match those up to a registered voters list of the time can this possibly be considered a viable audit.

I'm sure they only shredded the obvious ones, with no signature or illegible scrawls/initials.  There are a lot of legitimate mail-in ballots, and as @Smokin Joe pointed out, they've been separated from the envelopes since the first days after 11/3.

The audit of the remaining envelopes will be clean as a whistle, or Riff Raff would not have ordered this.  He's just running ut the clock.

I do think the 1/5 runoffs will be different in a rather important way:  Republican Electors will refuse to be removed, and will demand the police arrest them before they'll leave their posts.  IOW, the change that may make the difference is from the literal grassroots...the Poll Workers. 
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« Reply #441 on: December 18, 2020, 06:09:59 pm »
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All of you understand I was presenting what CEO John Poulos said.  He did say he has said these things under oath.  I was glad to find him since I had never heard from an official of Dominion and here he was.  I am glad to have his name so I can keep up with what he does from this point forward.  He is a nice looking, casual type person and speaks well.

Some of you spoke of signatures and envelopes.  Come along with me so you know how signatures are created to be compared and what happens to envelopes. Please read this:

Let's go to a male person, say his name is Roy Smart, who just received his mail ballot.  If he sent in an application for that mail ballot, his signature is on that application and the Election Director has that application with his signature on it. 

If the Election Director sent mail ballots to all voters, Roy did not have an application for a mail ballot, therefore the Election Director does not have an application with his signature on it. 

Due to the above, the Election Director uses Roy's original signature when he signed up to be a voter.   Now, every Election Director in every county in the nation has an original signature from every voter who gets a mail ballot. 

We need another signature from Roy to compare to the one the Election Director has.

Using one of the ways above to get a mail ballot, Roy has a mail ballot.  Inside the envelope is two more envelopes and the actual ballot.  One envelope is a regular size white envelope.  After Roy marks his choices on the ballot, he folds it and places it in the white envelope and seals it.  THERE IS NO SIGNATURE ON THE BALLOT OR ENVELOPE.  It is this way so no one will know how Roy voted on his ballot.

Now, Roy places the white envelope with the ballot inside the colored MAILING ENVELOPE.  On the back of the colored mailing envelope Roy MUST sign his name and address.  If his signature is NOT on the back of the mailing envelope, the ballot is rejected when it gets to the Board evaluating mail ballots.  That envelope is never opened, it is rejected outright.

WHAT HAPPENS TO ENVELOPES WHEN THE BOARD EVALUATES MAIL BALLOTS:
A Democrat and a Republican, together, evaluate Roy's ballot materials.  If his signature is not on the back of the mailing envelope, it is rejected as explained in the paragraph above.

If Roy's mailing envelope has a signature, it is compared to his signature on his application or his signature on his form to become a voter.  If they do not match, the committee as a whole examines the two signatures; if they cannot reach a decision, the Judge of the Board, makes the final decision.  As the Judge, I have had to do this and that is when the responsibility hits you - do you throw out this ballot or not?  I have studied how to determine if two signatures are the same - such as curves in letters, height and width of letters, distances between letters, etc.  If the signatures do not match, the ballot materials are clipped together and placed in the stack of rejected ballots.  If the signatures do match, the white envelope with the ballot inside is placed with other white envelopes.  These white envelopes with ballot inside are opened and the stack is taken to the tabulation room to be counted.

The above is a summary of what happens to various envelopes and ballots.  If you have questions, will do my best to answer.

ALSO THIS ABOUT MAILING ENVELOPES
All ballot materials, including mailing envelopes are required to be kept for a certain number of years.


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« Reply #442 on: December 18, 2020, 06:43:48 pm »
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You missed my point:  Sure the CEO said that all under oath.  As Bill Clinton once said and it applies here, it was "The truth, but misleading."  Please reread my short post upthread, in response to your earlier post.

Yes, "Dominion is and always was an American company," but Smartmatic was developed in Venezuela to ensure desired election results, and Dominion bought that company to use the "cheater" software in American Elections 11/3/20.

Technically correct to save their butts in court, but untruthful in full.
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« Reply #443 on: December 18, 2020, 06:46:44 pm »
Now, Roy places the white envelope with the ballot inside the colored MAILING ENVELOPE.  On the back of the colored mailing envelope Roy MUST sign his name and address.  If his signature is NOT on the back of the mailing envelope, the ballot is rejected when it gets to the Board evaluating mail ballots.  That envelope is never opened, it is rejected outright.

FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN GEORGIA.
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« Reply #444 on: December 18, 2020, 06:55:57 pm »
ALSO THIS ABOUT MAILING ENVELOPES
All ballot materials, including mailing envelopes are required to be kept for a certain number of years.

For the umpteenth time, they weren't.



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« Reply #445 on: December 18, 2020, 07:03:35 pm »
For the umpteenth time, they weren't.



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« Reply #446 on: December 18, 2020, 07:22:49 pm »
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN GEORGIA.
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I was speaking law in general. I posted it on this thread because it was about election law.  I should have made it clear it is not specifically in Georgia - I do not know if it happened there.  Thanks for reminding me I should have said that.   :truce: :truce:
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« Reply #447 on: December 18, 2020, 07:37:13 pm »
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I KNOW IT DID NOT HAPPEN IN GEORGIA.  I posted it on this thread because it was about election law.  I should have made it clear it is not Georgia - I just did not think of it at the time.  Thanks for reminding me to do it.   :truce: :truce:

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You began by referencing Dominion CEO John Paulos.  Here again is what happened in Georgia just prior to the election:


Fix coming to Georgia touchscreens to restore missing Senate candidates

Mark Niesse   |   Sept 28, 2020

Georgia election officials told a federal judge Monday that they’ll quickly correct a problem with touchscreen voting computers that left off the names of some of the 21 candidates in a special election for the U.S. Senate.

But attorneys suing the state government said they’re alarmed by technical difficulties so close to the time in-person early voting begins on Oct. 12. They want the government to replace the touchscreens with paper ballots filled out by hand.

Software on the state’s 30,000-plus touchscreens will be replaced to prevent an issue where the second column of U.S. Senate candidates sometimes didn’t appear. Those candidates included Republican U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Democrats Matt Lieberman, Ed Tarver and Raphael Warnock. Another Republican candidate, U.S. Rep. Doug Collins, wasn’t affected because his name appeared in the first column.

“The plaintiffs are flagging this as some apocalyptic scenario on social media, and it’s not. This is a very minor issue,” said Bryan Tyson, an attorney for Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

The issue, discovered last week during pre-election equipment testing in Douglas and Richmond counties, occurred when the second column of candidates didn’t appear because of a technical problem with how touchscreens communicated with their underlying Android operating system, said Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems. He said the problem only happened rarely, when users made selections in a specific pattern.

David Cross, an attorney for the plaintiffs, said making a critical software change shows that the state’s voting technology is vulnerable to problems.

“This is far bigger than we originally thought,” Cross told U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg. “It’s hard to imagine a more concerning scenario.”

He said the software upgrade is being made without adequate security testing or certification from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. But Coomer said the change is minor and doesn’t require recertification.




This is the same Dominion VP Eric Coomer who guaranteed a Trump defeat because he had made sure of it.
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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #448 on: December 18, 2020, 11:26:20 pm »
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"Dominion CEO John Poulos Speech to Michigan Senate":
(Below is the PDF file.  Copy and put in search and you will find the PDF.)

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Dominion website, "Setting the Record Straight", 12-18-2020

https://www.dominionvoting.com/election2020-setting-the-record-straight/

Part of "Setting the Record Straight" is this:
"Dominion and Smartmatic are two separate companies that make electronic voting systems. Dominion does not use or license Smartmatic software. Smartmatic has also refuted such claims. Dominion did NOT acquire Smartmatic and/or its software from Sequoia."

Please click and read both links.
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Re: Georgia: Legal Updates
« Reply #449 on: December 18, 2020, 11:55:34 pm »
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Dominion website, "Setting the Record Straight", 12-18-2020

https://www.dominionvoting.com/election2020-setting-the-record-straight/

Please click and read both links.

Your Dominion CYA link says this:

CAN DOMINION EMPLOYEES SWITCH VOTES DURING BALLOT ADJUDICATION?
No, the canvass process exists to allow election officials to validate and count ballots that were unable to be counted on Election Day because they needed additional adjudication. Dominion employees do not have access to this adjudication system, nor do they operate it. All states require bipartisan/multi-person teams in order to adjudicate ballots in accordance with the law.

But Dominion Vice President Eric Coomer said the exact opposite.


If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-