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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #100 on: December 01, 2020, 12:11:58 pm »
Where's that "He's Dead Jim" image when you need it?

He's dead, but his hatred of conservatives lives on in his putrid widow and dotter.
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« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2020, 12:17:53 pm »
Welcome to AZ, BTW.  It's a pity you moved to the Valley of the Sun after I left it.  LD 25, right?

Yes, LD 25. The very north east corner.

Nearly all my neighbors are hard core conservative so that hasn't been an issue.

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« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2020, 12:18:37 pm »
He's dead, but his hatred of conservatives lives on in his putrid widow and dotter.

Say the vote count stands.  Do you think these wenches did enough damage to Trump's AZ chances for winning the state?
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« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2020, 12:22:32 pm »
Say the vote count stands.  Do you think these wenches did enough damage to Trump's AZ chances for winning the state?

Only if they were involved in the voting fraud.  Their endorsements of Biteme didn't change any votes.
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« Reply #104 on: December 01, 2020, 12:24:29 pm »
Say the vote count stands.  Do you think these wenches did enough damage to Trump's AZ chances for winning the state?

I can only speak for myself, but why would his widow have much influence at all? The battle lines were drawn before John died.

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« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2020, 12:26:46 pm »
I can only speak for myself, but why would his widow have much influence at all? The battle lines were drawn before John died.

I know little about AZ political dynmaics, but have seen enough sheeple grazing the past 6 months to fill a prairie. You never know.
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« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2020, 12:28:58 pm »
Only if they were involved in the voting fraud.  Their endorsements of Biteme didn't change any votes.



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« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2020, 12:41:15 pm »


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LOL.  I saw the story.  In his taped meeting with the crooked SoS Hobbs, his cell phone rang with "Hail to the Chief."  In a story several months ago, Ducey the Duplicitous said he set Trump's ringtone to that so "he would not miss a call from the President."

I'd say that worked!
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« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2020, 12:43:36 pm »
I know little about AZ political dynmaics, but have seen enough sheeple grazing the past 6 months to fill a prairie. You never know.

We have our share....

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« Reply #109 on: December 01, 2020, 02:59:11 pm »
An incredibly stupid gesture because the FBI already had the phony dossier.  Typical of McStain's robust treachery.
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Steele himself gave the dossier to a certain FBI official he had worked with before, and gave a McCain aide a copy.

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« Reply #110 on: December 01, 2020, 03:22:40 pm »
Yahbutttt!  He was a "war hero" with an exemplary record, or so we're told.  Pay no attention that a trainee who crashes multiple training jets usually gets washed out of flight school.
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McCain almost never followed the rules.  He was near the bottom of his Naval class when he graduated.  Yes, he crashed planes.  Read below he almost died when his plane was on deck, and caught on fire by spilled fuel.

When shot down, one of his shoulders was mostly destroyed and his captors left it that way plus tortured him other ways.  When the captors found out his father was an Admiral, they offered to let his go and he would not go unless the men went with him, so he stayed in that situation longer.  For the rest of his life, he could not raise either arm past his shoulders, so could only wear shirts with buttons, no pull over shirts.  That captivity changed his life forever.

"McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and received a commission in the United States Navy. He became a naval aviator and flew ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, McCain almost died in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. McCain was a prisoner of war until 1973. He experienced episodes of torture and refused an out-of-sequence early release. During the war, McCain sustained wounds that left him with lifelong physical disabilities. He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981 and moved to Arizona, where he entered politics."

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« Reply #111 on: December 01, 2020, 03:53:55 pm »
I always knew that on top of his truckloads of faults, McStain was also an elitist.  Thanks for finding that damning quote from the worm.  A perfect example of what not to be.
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The frenzied & hysterical loathing of Mc Cain needs attention.
A poster quotes McCain speaking truth about the corruption of
class influence /power; then he is labeled an elitist and a worm.

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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #112 on: December 01, 2020, 04:07:30 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

McCain almost never followed the rules.  He was near the bottom of his Naval class when he graduated.  Yes, he crashed planes.  Read below he almost died when his plane was on deck, and caught on fire by spilled fuel.
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You all love to gripe on Trump because of his mannerisms, both in speaking and on Twitter.  I would like to hit "Pause" for a moment and point something out about McCain vs Trump:  Pay attention at whom the barbs are directed by both of these two fellows.  Trump likes to call out the Media and Politicians who attacked him first.  McCain, on the other hand, mostly bullied "little people," IE regular citizens who can't fight back because they lack media megaphones.  That is an important distinction I draw.

Just like when I Moderate this Forum, I'm generally OK with chastising professional politicians and journalists, but I draw the line when regular citizens, like most of us, get bullied by cyberpunks.  I make a distinction between people who make political attacks on politicians, and those who make personal attacks on Briefers. 
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #113 on: December 01, 2020, 04:08:21 pm »
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The frenzied & hysterical loathing of Mc Cain needs attention.
A poster quotes McCain speaking truth about the corruption of
class influence /power; then he is labeled an elitist and a worm.

See the post above this one where I pinged you.  McCain WAS an elitist and a worm, to his AZ constituents.
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« Reply #114 on: December 01, 2020, 04:22:49 pm »



I am sorry, but his escapades are pretty much known.

He freely admits he cheated on his first wife (the one who was destroyed in a car accident, but survived.....the one he left to marry the next ambassador to the U.K. ....the one who turned her back on the GOP and supported kelly.

McCain's temper is famous.

So, please let's not play this game.

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« Reply #115 on: December 01, 2020, 04:26:21 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

McCain almost never followed the rules.  He was near the bottom of his Naval class when he graduated.  Yes, he crashed planes.  Read below he almost died when his plane was on deck, and caught on fire by spilled fuel.

When shot down, one of his shoulders was mostly destroyed and his captors left it that way plus tortured him other ways.  When the captors found out his father was an Admiral, they offered to let his go and he would not go unless the men went with him, so he stayed in that situation longer.  For the rest of his life, he could not raise either arm past his shoulders, so could only wear shirts with buttons, no pull over shirts.  That captivity changed his life forever.

"McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and received a commission in the United States Navy. He became a naval aviator and flew ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, McCain almost died in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. While on a bombing mission during Operation Rolling Thunder over Hanoi in October 1967, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. McCain was a prisoner of war until 1973. He experienced episodes of torture and refused an out-of-sequence early release. During the war, McCain sustained wounds that left him with lifelong physical disabilities. He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981 and moved to Arizona, where he entered politics."

We know all that.

That's great.

He also had several highly publicized high decible encounters with people. 

And as was quoted in above....went out of his way to destroy those he disagree with.

I am looking for more information on that.

You can tout him all you want, he was an airman.  He never would have been if not for his father.

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« Reply #116 on: December 01, 2020, 04:27:19 pm »
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The frenzied & hysterical loathing of Mc Cain needs attention.
A poster quotes McCain speaking truth about the corruption of
class influence /power; then he is labeled an elitist and a worm.

Please let us know what constitutes frenzied and hysterical loathing.

All I've done is post what has been written about him. 

Others are repeating the same.

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« Reply #117 on: December 01, 2020, 04:27:58 pm »
I am sorry, but his escapades are pretty much known.

He freely admits he cheated on his first wife (the one who was destroyed in a car accident, but survived.....the one he left to marry the next ambassador to the U.K. ....the one who turned her back on the GOP and supported kelly.

McCain's temper is famous.

So, please let's not play this game.

McCain just loved to bitch out and belittle ordinary citizens because he knew they could not fight back.  He was, simply, a bully in the most basic definition, picking only on people he knew he could beat up.
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« Reply #118 on: December 01, 2020, 04:51:02 pm »
McCain would have never been shot down if it wasn't for his daddy. He would have been drummed out long before that flight.

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McCain’s mishaps in the cockpit

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-oct-06-na-aviator6-story.html

Corpus Christi, Texas, March 12, 1960

McCain was practicing landings in his AD-6 Skyraider over Corpus Christi Bay when he lost several hundred feet of altitude “without realizing it” and struck the water, according to the Naval Aviation Safety Center accident report on file at the Naval Historical Center in Washington.

Southern Spain, around December 1961

McCain was on a training mission when he flew low and ran into electrical wires. He brought his crippled Skyraider back to the Intrepid, dragging 10 feet of wire, sailors and aviators recalled.

In his 1999 autobiography, “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain briefly recounts the incident, calling it the result of “daredevil clowning” and “flying too low.” McCain did not elaborate on what happened, and The Times could find no military records of the accident.

Cape Charles, Va., Nov. 28, 1965

Over the Eastern Shore of Virginia, McCain descended below 7,000 feet on a landing approach in a T-2 trainer jet, according to accident records. He said he heard an explosion in his engine and lost power. He said he tried unsuccessfully to restart the engine.

He spotted a local drag strip and considered trying to glide to a landing there but finally had to eject at 1,000 feet. The plane crashed in the woods. McCain escaped injury and was picked up by a farmer.

In a report dated Jan. 18, 1966, the Naval Aviation Safety Center said it could not determine the cause of the accident or corroborate McCain’s account of an explosion in the engine. A close examination of the engine found “no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction.”

The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane’s power system to battery backup, which “seriously jeopardized his survival chances.” His idea of landing on the drag strip was “viewed with concern and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.”

The report added, “It may be indeed fortunate that the pilot was not in a position to attempt such a landing.”

McCain also ejected too late and too low, was not wearing proper flight equipment and positioned his body improperly before ejecting, the report said.


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« Reply #119 on: December 01, 2020, 06:13:53 pm »
Ace McCain downed five planes.

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« Reply #120 on: December 01, 2020, 06:14:16 pm »
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McCain’s mishaps in the cockpit

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-oct-06-na-aviator6-story.html

Corpus Christi, Texas, March 12, 1960

McCain was practicing landings in his AD-6 Skyraider over Corpus Christi Bay when he lost several hundred feet of altitude “without realizing it” and struck the water, according to the Naval Aviation Safety Center accident report on file at the Naval Historical Center in Washington.

Southern Spain, around December 1961

McCain was on a training mission when he flew low and ran into electrical wires. He brought his crippled Skyraider back to the Intrepid, dragging 10 feet of wire, sailors and aviators recalled.

In his 1999 autobiography, “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain briefly recounts the incident, calling it the result of “daredevil clowning” and “flying too low.” McCain did not elaborate on what happened, and The Times could find no military records of the accident.

Cape Charles, Va., Nov. 28, 1965

Over the Eastern Shore of Virginia, McCain descended below 7,000 feet on a landing approach in a T-2 trainer jet, according to accident records. He said he heard an explosion in his engine and lost power. He said he tried unsuccessfully to restart the engine.

He spotted a local drag strip and considered trying to glide to a landing there but finally had to eject at 1,000 feet. The plane crashed in the woods. McCain escaped injury and was picked up by a farmer.

In a report dated Jan. 18, 1966, the Naval Aviation Safety Center said it could not determine the cause of the accident or corroborate McCain’s account of an explosion in the engine. A close examination of the engine found “no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction.”

The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane’s power system to battery backup, which “seriously jeopardized his survival chances.” His idea of landing on the drag strip was “viewed with concern and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.”

The report added, “It may be indeed fortunate that the pilot was not in a position to attempt such a landing.”

McCain also ejected too late and too low, was not wearing proper flight equipment and positioned his body improperly before ejecting, the report said.

Can anyone imagine how those reports might have read, and what they would have done to any further chances of a naval flying career, had the person involved been just some plain old Joe instead of John Sidney McCain III?   I sure as hell can!  In fact, I know for a fact that his instructors at Corpus Christi tried to wash him out and were overruled.
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« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2020, 07:05:03 pm »
We know all that.
That's great.
He also had several highly publicized high decibel encounters with people. 
And as was quoted in above....went out of his way to destroy those he disagree with.
I am looking for more information on that.
You can tout him all you want, he was an airman.  He never would have been if not for his father.
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McCain, as a mortal was flawed, as his detractors incessantly remind us.
In contrast, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Silver Star,
among many, for gallantry and valor in wartime action.
Which of these two decorations did you receive????????????????????????

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« Reply #122 on: December 01, 2020, 07:11:43 pm »
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McCain, as a mortal was flawed, as his detractors incessantly remind us.
In contrast, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Silver Star,
among many, for gallantry and valor in wartime action.
Which of these two decorations did you receive????????????????????????

I see you are back to shitposting while ignoring all the other comments on this thread.  Why is that?

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« Reply #123 on: December 01, 2020, 07:18:26 pm »
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McCain, as a mortal was flawed, as his detractors incessantly remind us.
In contrast, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Silver Star,
among many, for gallantry and valor in wartime action.
Which of these two decorations did you receive????????????????????????

I don't have any of them nor do I want any.  I was focused on DOING MY DAMNED JOB!  Not seeing what kinds of ornaments I could obtain to put on my uniform.  Every man in my outfit felt that way.  If anyone got injured he put a bandaid on it and kept going.  If it was too serious for us to treat ourselves the medics put a bandage on it for us.  Only if we were in real danger of DYING did we get Medevaced. No one was interested in decorations and generally, no one got put in for them by our own choice.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #124 on: December 01, 2020, 07:58:23 pm »
I don't have any of them nor do I want any.  I was focused on DOING MY DAMNED JOB!  Not seeing what kinds of ornaments I could obtain to put on my uniform.  Every man in my outfit felt that way.  If anyone got injured he put a band-aid on it and kept going.  If it was too serious for us to treat ourselves the medics put a bandage on it for us.  Only if we were in real danger of DYING did we get Medivaced. No one was interested in decorations and generally, no one got put in for them by our own choice.
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To you're credit, you're an honest Man!
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« Reply #125 on: December 01, 2020, 08:04:01 pm »
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To you're credit, at least your honest!

Thank you!  Honest is something John Sidney McCain III had no acquaintance with and the same goes for any number of current and former United States Senators.  John F'n Kerry and Sidney Blumenthal to name just two who immediately come to mind.
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« Reply #126 on: December 01, 2020, 08:10:13 pm »
Thank you!  Honest is something John Sidney McCain III had no acquaintance with and the same goes for any number of current and former United States Senators.  John F'n Kerry and Sidney Blumenthal to name just two who immediately come to mind.

I think you mean Richard Blumenthal.  Sidney was "Sid Vicious" in the Clinton machine, Bill's literal hatchet man.
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« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2020, 08:14:20 pm »
I think you mean Richard Blumenthal.  Sidney was "Sid Vicious" in the Clinton machine, Bill's literal hatchet man.

 :yowsa:  Thank you for the correction @Cyber Liberty
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« Reply #128 on: December 01, 2020, 08:21:45 pm »
:yowsa:  Thank you for the correction @Cyber Liberty

Well, they both suck, so.....

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« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2020, 08:43:37 pm »
Admiral John S. McCain Sr., the grandfather, died in 1945, when McCain III was 11 years old. So he could not have "got him out of prison". And he could not "got him out of that too". This is news to you, @LegalAmerican?
As I've posted on TBR multiple times, in detail, John S. McCain III could not possibly have caused the Forrestal fire. For the simple reason that all the strike planes were positioned along the Forrestal's aft and quarter deck edges with their exhausts pointed out to sea. This disproves:
* The McCain-caused-the-Zuni-to-launch version of this stupid conspiracy theory;
* It disproves the McCain-ignited-the-spilled-jet-fuel version of this stupid conspiracy theory;
*  It disproves any other version of this stupid conspiracy theory, because there is no way McCain's exhaust could affect any other plane or equipment on the USS Forrestal; McCain had no plane behind him and his exhaust blew out to sea.
I have less than zero love for the late Sen. McCain, but the truth is the truth even when you might dislike it. McCain could not have caused the Forrestal fire.
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Pete, when you point out reality to certain posters you need lengthy preparation.
Before your next attempt, suggest you begin by constructing a brick wall, then
placing your chair some 4 feet in front and and repeat your argument, ever louder,
till the wall responds: OK, OK, YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG; SO I APOLOGIZE.
 
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« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2020, 08:49:29 pm »
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed; IMHO he was very detrimental to our Republic and to conservatism.  I really feel he doesn't deserve to be discussed any further.

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« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2020, 08:57:25 pm »
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Pete, when you point out reality to certain posters you need lengthy preparation.
Before your next attempt, suggest you begin by constructing a brick wall, then
placing your chair some 4 feet in front and and repeating your argument, ever louder,
till the wall responds: OK, OK, YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG; SO I APOLOGIZE.
 

I agree with @PeteS in CA about the Forrestal, and I also think McCain is the worst spittle-spewing scumbag I ever met.  I trust my experience more than your books on Ancient History that have no relationship with the jerks we have running the USA in the 21st Century. 

If you want to get current, I suggest you start reading Churchill, WF Buckley.  Stuff from the past couple centuries like Bastiat and de Tocqueville.  Your ancient Greek ain't cutting it, Peloponnesia doesn't either.  All quoting them gets you is a reputation of being an ignorant genius.
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« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2020, 08:58:50 pm »
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed; IMHO he was very detrimental to our Republic and to conservatism.  I really feel he doesn't deserve to be discussed any further.

I suppose he does not, except his pill-popping wife and deranged children have no intention of letting that carcass rot.
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« Reply #133 on: December 01, 2020, 09:13:35 pm »
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed.
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« Reply #134 on: December 01, 2020, 09:19:36 pm »
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Your appalling comment defines you forever!

Pretty nasty stuff.

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Your appalling comment defines you forever!
Pretty nasty stuff.

Are you appalled that I was delighted to read his Obituary?
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« Reply #136 on: December 01, 2020, 09:28:11 pm »
Are you appalled that I was delighted to read his Obituary?

And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

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« Reply #137 on: December 01, 2020, 09:44:30 pm »
And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

He's no hero to me, @Weird Tolkienish Figure.  And, what's a "former?"
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« Reply #138 on: December 01, 2020, 09:50:57 pm »
And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

THIS is a hero @Weird Tolkienish Figure


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John Sidney McCain III isn't worthy to scrape the dog shit off of his boots!
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« Reply #139 on: December 01, 2020, 09:54:32 pm »
THIS is a hero @Weird Tolkienish Figure


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John Sidney McCain III isn't worthy to scrape the dog shit off of his boots!

Nor is he worthy of further discussion.  Just let him die. Period.

Otherwise we're likely to see some kind of despicable, bogus, hero worshiping documentary about him.

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« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2020, 10:12:49 pm »
The definition of a hero.  Stayed in hell when he had a free pass out. 

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« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2020, 10:31:28 pm »


Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

Sorry, when he took the criminal Keating route, and back stabbed the GOP and conservatives in the back repeatedly.....  He forfeited that title. 
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« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2020, 11:18:54 pm »
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McCain, as a mortal was flawed, as his detractors incessantly remind us.
In contrast, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Silver Star,
among many, for gallantry and valor in wartime action.
Which of these two decorations did you receive????????????????????????


Nice try at deflection. 

You can be a great and brave pilot and still be a first class pr*ck. 

McCain was neither great nor brave.  He was simply a pilot (and only thanks to dad).

His failings as a human being were many and well documented. 

I am sorry, but I can't help that.

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« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2020, 11:52:02 pm »
Nice try at deflection. 
You can be a great and brave pilot and still be a first class bleep. 
McCain was neither great nor brave.  He was simply a pilot (and only thanks to dad).
His failings as a human being were many and well documented. 
I am sorry, but I can't help that.
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McCain, notwithstanding his warts, was a War Prisoner who received
the Silver Star, our third highest ranking award for heroism/valor, plus
the DCF; yet you, who earned zero, argue he was neither brave nor great.
What might help is to cease making an embarrassment of yourself.
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McCain, notwithstanding his warts, was a War Prisoner who received
the Silver Star, our third highest ranking award for heroism/valor, plus
the DCF; yet you, who earned zero, argue he was neither brave nor great.
What you could help is to cease making an embarrassment of yourself.


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John McCain was the pinnacle of honor his whole life.   *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #146 on: December 02, 2020, 12:16:38 am »
He's no hero to me, @Weird Tolkienish Figure.  And, what's a "former?"


Neither to the men,  that had to serve with him!   :thumbsup:

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« Reply #147 on: December 02, 2020, 12:18:56 am »
I guess we can write good things about Hitler, since he is dead?  As death makes one 'wonderful'?  A SAINT TO BE REVERED?
So what,  a nasty person is dead.  That does not mean, I will like him.   OR can't tell truth about him.   

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« Reply #148 on: December 02, 2020, 08:07:27 am »
I guess we can write good things about Hitler, since he is dead?  As death makes one 'wonderful'?  A SAINT TO BE REVERED?
So what,  a nasty person is dead.  That does not mean, I will like him.   OR can't tell truth about him.

Ok, so now you're comparing him to Hitler?

Wishy-washiness on politics does not make him Hitler.

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« Reply #149 on: December 02, 2020, 09:21:44 am »
Ok, so now you're comparing him to Hitler?

Wishy-washiness on politics does not make him Hitler.

Gleefully voting for Obamacare on your death bed as a "stick it the eye" to Trump and conservatives is hardly what I would call "wishy-washy".  I repeat...... he was a Keating criminal and back stabber of the hightest degree.
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