Disappointed in Senema's Vote

[HikerGuy83]

I have been watching Krysten Sinema as much as I can.

She's a democrat.  I get that. 

But it sounded like she was pretty moderate. 

More than that it has sounded like she is independent.

Her statement on voting no:

"It is the duty of all federal judges to consistently apply the Constitution and laws to protect the fundamental rights of all Americans," Sinema said in a statement posted to Twitter on Sunday. "After watching the Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearings, reading Judge Barrett's legal opinions and scholarly writings, and speaking with her directly, I am concerned bout Judge Barrett's inconsistent views on legal precedent, and how those inconsistencies impact her obligation to interpret and uphold the rule of law."

was very disappointing.

I would be curious to know how she feel abouts:

Kagan

Sotomeyer

Ginsburg (posthumously)

All three of whom voted in lock step for any ruling that favored left wing policy.

[Free Vulcan]

Well, to be blunt, unless they break out of their caucus, they are pretty much useless, despite whatever images of moderation they seem to project.

[skeeter]

As whomever wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes might say - there isn't an honest, independent democrat with integrity in the party, not one.

[Cyber Liberty]

I expected nothing better from "the first openly bi-sexual female member of Congress."  I lifted that from her website when she was a congress-whatever.

[HikerGuy83]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews

Here, she comes out against court packing.  I appreciated that.

I hope the GOP is working to find a good candidate to run against her (I know it is four years out).

But she is going to be a tough one to beat. 

In the age of extremism, she will be well entrenched if she really does continue to behave like a moderate.  During her time in the house she did show moderation and refused to get involved in causes in a confrontational way. 

She's not rich and does not seem intent on getting rich either.

[Fishrrman]

Hiker wrote:
"She's a democrat.  I get that. 
But it sounded like she was pretty moderate."

OK, son, take off the hiking shoes and get yerself educated.
She IS NOT "a democrat".
She IS a "democrat-communist". With all that implies.

They are ALL democrat-communists now.
To vote for a "democrat" is to vote for communism.
DON'T DO IT !!!

OK.
Lesson over.

[Cyber Liberty]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews

Here, she comes out against court packing.  I appreciated that.

I hope the GOP is working to find a good candidate to run against her (I know it is four years out).

But she is going to be a tough one to beat. 

In the age of extremism, she will be well entrenched if she really does behave like a moderate.

She's lying about court packing.  She will do whatever the Rat leadership tells her to do.  Just look back a few hours when she voted against Amy Barrett.  That was very much against what her constituents wanted, yet here we are.

[HikerGuy83]

I expected nothing better from "the first openly bi-sexual female member of Congress."  I lifted that from her website when she was a congress-whatever.

Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

She's been voting in lockstep with Schumer ever since the State Party came one vote short of censuring her for voting with Republicans 10% of the time.  Is that OK to "bring into it?"

For a few terms before he ran for the Senate she was my Congressrat, so I know what I'm talking about.  I've been watching her closely for about 10 years now, since she was a state legislature pup.

[HikerGuy83]

Hiker wrote:
"She's a democrat.  I get that. 
But it sounded like she was pretty moderate."

OK, son, take off the hiking shoes and get yerself educated.
She IS NOT "a democrat".
She IS a "democrat-communist". With all that implies.

They are ALL democrat-communists now.
To vote for a "democrat" is to vote for communism.
DON'T DO IT !!!

OK.
Lesson over.

My hope is that we can have a discussion.....

I don't deal in absolutes like that.

I am a conservative.

I currently live in a district where we are dealing with a communist in democrats clothing:

https://www.google.com/search?q=torres+small&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA882CA882&oq=Torres+Small&aqs=chrome.0.0i355i433i457j46i433j0l6.4301j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I am aware that the hard left are not to be trusted.

I don't see Senator Sinema in the same light.  I have not studied her that much.....but right now....I don't see it.

[HikerGuy83]

She's lying about court packing.  She will do whatever the Rat leadership tells her to do.  Just look back a few hours when she voted against Amy Barrett.  That was very much against what her constituents wanted, yet here we are.

I think that was the point of the OP.

I was disappointed at her vote.

I expected better of her.

I enjoyed the tweet:

Tonight a black man swore in a woman to serve on the Supreme Court.

And the only people complaining about it were democrats.

[skeeter]

Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.

[HikerGuy83]

She's been voting in lockstep with Schumer ever since the State Party came one vote short of censuring her for voting with Republicans 10% of the time.  Is that OK to "bring into it?"

For a few terms before he ran for the Senate she was my Congressrat, so I know what I'm talking about.  I've been watching her closely for about 10 years now, since she was a state legislature pup.

Yes, that is exactly what we should be discussing.

You know more than me, but I did read that she voted with Trump about 50% of the time.

If that drew the ire of the left wingers (not liberals....huge difference) that is to be expected.

[HikerGuy83]

This was something else I picked up....don't know if she actually did:

As the August primary approaches, Sinema has pointedly demonstrated that independence in the clearest terms of any red-state Democrat this cycle: by announcing that she intends to vote against Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) as the party’minority leader should she be elected.

That quote came from the Daily Beast.....where the headline was:

Democrats’ Top Senate Candidate Kyrsten Sinema Basically Running as ‘Independent’ in Arizona

[Cyber Liberty]

I think that was the point of the OP.

I was disappointed at her vote.

I expected better of her.

I enjoyed the tweet:

Tonight a black man swore in a woman to serve on the Supreme Court.

And the only people complaining about it were democrats.

Well, I never thought for a nanosecond that she would vote for Barrett.  Not even a femtosecond.

As for the complaining...I'm sure there's a resolution being drawn up on the subject at the UN. 

[Cyber Liberty]

This was something else I picked up....don't know if she actually did:

As the August primary approaches, Sinema has pointedly demonstrated that independence in the clearest terms of any red-state Democrat this cycle: by announcing that she intends to vote against Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) as the party’minority leader should she be elected.

That quote came from the Daily Beast.....where the headline was:

Democrats’ Top Senate Candidate Kyrsten Sinema Basically Running as ‘Independent’ in Arizona

Do you really think that she would do that?  How many Representatives promised to the skies they would never vote for Pelosi for Speaker, and then voted for Pelosi for Speaker?

Nope.  She is not an independent actor as far as I could ever see, so her vote on Barrett is not surprising in the least. 

[HikerGuy83]

C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.

I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/

[skeeter]

I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/

I'm referring to your comment about perhaps being tossed off the board for expressing your tolerance. It reeks of the insulting media stereotype of conservatives.

Apologies in advance if I misunderstood.

[HikerGuy83]

Do you really think that she would do that?  How many Representatives promised to the skies they would never vote for Pelosi for Speaker, and then voted for Pelosi for Speaker?

Nope.  She is not an independent actor as far as I could ever see, so her vote on Barrett is not surprising in the least. 

She did not keep her promise...but I am not sure who she would have voted for.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/14/did-kyrsten-sinema-break-promise-not-support-chuck-schumer-senate-minority-leader/2003049002/

[HikerGuy83]

I'm referring to your comment about perhaps being tossed off the board for expressing your tolerance. It reeks of the insulting media stereotype of conservatives.

Apologies in advance if I misunderstood.

O.K.

Thanks.

Boards have different "standards". 

You learn as you go. 

Just for the record, I have much much more respect for conservatives as being tolerant.  I have not read of her lately, but Ann Coulter always used to chide the left....because once they talked to conservatives they found them to be real people.  I love a lot of Ann Coulters wit !!!

The left is for sure, tolerant until you disagree with them.  They are the authors of the cancel culture which pisses me off to no end.

The current garbage (and I really want to use other words) being pulled by Twitter and Facebook have me pretty angry.

[HikerGuy83]

Well, I never thought for a nanosecond that she would vote for Barrett.  Not even a femtosecond.

As for the complaining...I'm sure there's a resolution being drawn up on the subject at the UN. 

I just liked the way it pointed out the deep irony of the situation and exposed the incredible hypocricy of the left.

[Cyber Liberty]

C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.

Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?

[skeeter]

O.K.

Thanks.

Boards have different "standards". 

You learn as you go. 

Just for the record, I have much much more respect for conservatives as being tolerant.  I have not read of her lately, but Ann Coulter always used to chide the left....because once they talked to conservatives they found them to be real people.  I love a lot of Ann Coulters wit !!!

The left is for sure, tolerant until you disagree with them.  They are the authors of the cancel culture which pisses me off to no end.

The current garbage (and I really want to use other words) being pulled by Twitter and Facebook have me pretty angry.

The left's "tolerance" lasts as far as it services their agenda. Given the right circumstances a great many of them are among the most bigoted people you'll ever want to meet.

Thanks for your response.

[HikerGuy83]

Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?

I am a dummy.

What pressure group are you talking about ?

[Cyber Liberty]

I just liked the way it pointed out the deep irony of the situation and exposed the incredible hypocricy of the left.

Indeed it does!  Hypocrisy on the left is a bit of a target-rich environment....individual perfidies are easy to lose in the fratricide.

To be clear about something...I have no problem with "self descried bi-sexual" Members of Congress.  My problem with that has been her open embrace of one of the most destructive pressure groups in modern history, the LGBT bunch.  (Second only to the abortion industry.)  And to be honest about something else...there is nothing you have written remotely likely to get you concern from our Moderators.  We're not that way on TBR.   

[Cyber Liberty]

I am a dummy.

What pressure group are you talking about ?

LGBT, and Planned Parenthood.

[skeeter]

Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?

I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

[Cyber Liberty]

I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

Tomorrow at Noon.  "Gate" opens at 9.  I have no idea what I'm going to encounter there because people are coming from as far away as Vegas.  They said they're expecting 15,000 and I don't know if I can get anywhere close to the action.

[skeeter]

Tomorrow at Noon.  "Gate" opens at 9.  I have no idea what I'm going to encounter there because people are coming from as far away as Vegas.  They said they're expecting 15,000 and I don't know if I can get anywhere close to the action.

I'll look for you doing the YMCA dance.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'll look for you doing the YMCA dance.

We'll be with the old fogies in the back, in chairs...

[HikerGuy83]

I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

I would agree.

[HikerGuy83]

We'll be with the old fogies in the back, in chairs...

Enjoy !!!

We are just one week away.

I want another Young Turks Meltdown !!!!

[LegalAmerican]

As whomever wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes might say - there isn't an honest, independent democrat with integrity in the party, not one.

It does seem be the party of demon-rats.   

[catfish1957]

Well, to be blunt, unless they break out of their caucus, they are pretty much useless, despite whatever images of moderation they seem to project.

The lady is much better with the volume down to zero. 

[HikerGuy83]

This thread is about Sinema's lack of support for Barrett.

If anyone should have supported her, it should have been easy for her to support this.

My guess is that she would have done so....but anymore she risked the wrath of that idiot Chuck Schumer.

That is was really disappoints me. 

Would McConnell terrorize a member of the GOP for the same thing ?

Schumer knew she would be confirmed.  Showing support would help America think a little better about them.

I keep asking people why we want to put this crew in charge of our health care !!!!!

Nooooooooooooo.

Anyway, just a question and thought.

[roamer_1]

Would McConnell terrorize a member of the GOP for the same thing ?

Undoubtedly, yes he would. Just look what he did to Roy Moore. And others...

[PeteS in CA]

... I am concerned bout Judge Barrett's inconsistent views on legal precedent, and how those inconsistencies impact her obligation to interpret and uphold the rule of law."

This statement shows Sinema didn't think through what she said. If stare decisis is absolute then Plessy v. Ferguson should still be the law of the land. A good judge should know that sometimes even the Supreme Court gets it wrong and that stare decisis is sometimes wrong - hopefully very rarely - and should be overturned.

[PeteS in CA]

...
I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

@HikerGuy83, TBR isn't Democratic Underground. You won't get banned if you aren't lockstep with some party line. Nor is TBR like some discussion sites where a self-appointed orthodoxy-checker committee swarm-attacks someone they think is too different.

[sneakypete]

Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

@HikerGuy83

I have to disagree with you on Shumer. There is no doubt he is pure evil,but "a moron" is something he isn't. He may be one of the sharpest minds in DC.

Not that it matters because he is staying in congress for as long as he wants to stay in congress. He OWNS that seat.

Now,if you want to talk stoopid,there is always Schiff and Sheila Jackson Lee.

[sneakypete]

I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/

@HikerGuy83

NO,NO,A GAZILLION TIMES NO! Have you not learned a single damn thing  since the Republicans took over control of congress,and then allowed any and all Dims that wanted to switch to "R" in,and gave them important committee assignments to reward them?

Before the dust settled,Newt was booted out of office on bullshit charges,and the Republican Party took a sharp hard left turn.

Let her stand in a bread line with all the other parasites.

[sneakypete]

LGBT, and Planned Parenthood.

@Cyber Liberty

To be fair,ALL lobbies are pressure groups. It all depends on your individual POV if they are good or bad.

For example,for the left there is NO lobby group more evil than the NRA.

[Free Vulcan]

Some serious political naivete here. I don't care how much they say they are moderate, in the end they caucus with their party.

On some votes the party may allow them to vote opposite for political cover.

But on the important stuff you fall in line.

And if you don't you pay the price.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

To be fair,ALL lobbies are pressure groups. It all depends on your individual POV if they are good or bad.

For example,for the left there is NO lobby group more evil than the NRA.

Would you agree the LGBT and PP movements are a tad more destructive to the nation than the NRA?  I think that was the point I was making.

[HikerGuy83]

Some serious political naivete here. I don't care how much they say they are moderate, in the end they caucus with their party.

On some votes the party may allow them to vote opposite for political cover.

But on the important stuff you fall in line.

And if you don't you pay the price.

Hence, the title of this thread. 

[HikerGuy83]

@HikerGuy83

I have to disagree with you on Shumer. There is no doubt he is pure evil,but "a moron" is something he isn't. He may be one of the sharpest minds in DC.

Not that it matters because he is staying in congress for as long as he wants to stay in congress. He OWNS that seat.

Now,if you want to talk stoopid,there is always Schiff and Sheila Jackson Lee.

Moron or evil.....or both ?

Regardless, he is an embarrassment to the senate and to the U.S.

Schiff....can't type anything that does not go against my self imposed swearing ban.

[sneakypete]

Would you agree the LGBT and PP movements are a tad more destructive to the nation than the NRA?

@Cyber Liberty

Trick question?

 

I think that was the point I was making.

I wasn't making an argument,but stating an observation.

[Cyber Liberty]

I wasn't making an argument,but stating an observation.

@sneakypete

So did I.  To wit:  "The LGBTQ and Pro-Choice Movements have been the most destructive pressure groups."

Sinema was into thise groups, up to her armpits.

[HikerGuy83]

So I went to Sinema's (I misspelled her name in the OP) and sent her a note telling her I was disappointed. 

I also did some digging on the net with respect to articles on Barrett.

I look forward to doing a little more learning.

Do any of you have recommendations on books for the layman on the constitution ?

[HikerGuy83]

I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

Can you provide a link to what you are describing. 

I think you were pointing at her LGBT statements.

[Cyber Liberty]

Can you provide a link to what you are describing. 

I think you were pointing at her LGBT statements.

Re:  She's big on LGBT because she's a "B":

Kyrsten Sinema makes history as first bisexual member of U.S. Senate

Nov. 13, 2018, 12:41 PM MST
By Tim Fitzsimons

Nearly one week after Election Day, Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema was declared the apparent winner of Arizona’s nail-biter of a Senate race. In addition to a win for Democrats, Sinema’s hard-fought victory also adds to the spoils of the so-called rainbow wave that ushered in a record number of LGBTQ political candidates this year.

Sinema’s high-profile win is particularly historic. She is the first out bisexual person ever elected to the U.S. Senate and only the second openly LGBTQ person, behind Sen. Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisc., who is a lesbian. Sinema is also the Grand Canyon State’s first female senator and its first Democratic senator since 1995.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kyrsten-sinema-makes-history-first-bisexual-member-u-s-senate-n935816