Republicans fear disaster in November

[libertybele]

@catfish1957

There is no such creature as a "perfect person" (with me being the possible exception!),never mind a perfect President/politician,and there is nothing wrong with criticizing any of them if you think they are wrong about something.

But some childish people here take it too far,and keep insisting they will never vote for him because NOTHING he does is ever right.

Truth to tell,I don't PERSONALLY like Trump any more than you do. Maybe not even as much. The thing is MY PERSONAL like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with "Who do I want to be President in 2021?".

In an imperfect world,you pick the one candidate of the two most likely to win,support that candidate,and do your damndest to make them change their POV of the issues you disagree with them on. You do NOT surrender the field to the candidate you would like to set on fire to watch him run across it because the guy you SHOULD support is not as "perfect" as you want him or her to be.

The truth is we all live in the real world,whether we want to or not,and we need to make plans to do whatever we can do to make it more to our liking. You don't do this by having a hissy-fit and voting for your 3rd grade teacher as a protest vote.

No it isn't a perfect world that's for sure.  It's not a matter of throwing a hissy fit, it is a matter of voting for someone who is going to take this country in a better direction then the other candidate according to one's beliefs and values.  If the two candidates are going to take this country down a slippery slope; perhaps just one more slowly then the other, then the end result will eventually be the same.  So, for some, they feel there is no real viable choice.    As an example;on making a decision -- do we vote for someone who has repeatedly said that they will grant amnesty or do we vote for the other candidate who has stated that he will sign an e.o. to give a roadway to citizenship?  Please explain the difference.

[sneakypete]

This is the cogent point. When the barbarians are at the gates, you don't bicker about rearranging the China. Nor should you be hiding in your remote tower or wooded cabin smirking and squawking about
 how "this should teach you all a lesson" as the rest of us throw ourselves into holding the gates.

And...again. Its not fearmongering if the threat is genuine. At this point, anyone arguing that it is NOT genuine is either delusional...or...so self righteous they would rather see the nation destroyed than admit to an error of judgement.

And I keep hearing this crap about some of us thinking Trump is perfect, or that we are zombies who dwell on his every tweet. That's self-serving tripe and unworthy of a fellow conservative. We ALL have issues on which we disagree with the President...on some issues we strongly disagree with him. So anyone spouting that drivel needs to just stop. Trump is vastly more conservative then Joe Biden. Trump will not lead a Socialist internal insurrection that will end this country as a free nation...Biden will. That is all any conservative with an OUNCE of intellect needs to know in order to cast a Trump vote.

@Mesaclone

WELL SAID!

[Jazzhead]

No one, I'm sure, is trying to persuade anyone not to vote for Trump.   But the Senate is more important.  The Senate is the firewall.  The Senate is the insurance policy if Trump's reality show ends with the words " you're fired".

[libertybele]

No one, I'm sure, is trying to persuade anyone not to vote for Trump.   But the Senate is more important.  The Senate is the firewall.  The Senate is the insurance policy if Trump's reality show ends with the words " you're fired".

Really? How successful was that firewall the last two years of Bammy's term??  How successful was the GOP with a GOP President, House and Senate?  They should have been able to kick booty and the didn't.  The DEMS still were able to wreak havoc because of the RINO's in both Houses and RINO leadership. 

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

DEY'S VIC-TUMS! VIC-TUMS,AH TELLS YA!

Hit all bees Trumps falts! Eberting bees Trumps falts causen nobody iz sponsable fo demsefs!

Oh,WOE IZ ME!

Yeah,it's MY fault,his fault,and everybody's fault BUT your friends. Deys VIC-TUMS!

I am beginning to have a more complete understanding of why you hate Trump so much.

YEAH, @sneakypete , they are.Current projections are that 60% of small business will not come back from the covid shutdown. The  Goverment ordered shutdown that Tumpy stood right there, with Fauxi by his side, and initiated.

Not able to open his doors by governmental dictate, no income at all, but still having to pay the rent, securiity and flooring on the goods... Damn right he's a victim... of a draconian government that curtailed his rights... Literally, by definition.

And you want me to vote for that.

[skeeter]

@skeeter

Well,I have heard all my life that "There is a first time for everything",so I guess it is possible.

IF Trump does have something he can pull out of his hat at the last minute to get the Dims and RINO's running for their political lives,it will be the Save of the Century!

its been nice these last few years to see the rats on their heels for a change, I will remain hopeful that after 40 or 50 years of getting their arse waxed the Pubs have learned a thing or two after all.

[Idiot]

"Minions". lol

If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

There is no such creature as a "perfect person" (with me being the possible exception!),never mind a perfect President/politician,and there is nothing wrong with criticizing any of them if you think they are wrong about something.

But some childish people here take it too far,and keep insisting they will never vote for him because NOTHING he does is ever right.

Truth to tell,I don't PERSONALLY like Trump any more than you do. Maybe not even as much. The thing is MY PERSONAL like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with "Who do I want to be President in 2021?".

In an imperfect world,you pick the one candidate of the two most likely to win,support that candidate,and do your damndest to make them change their POV of the issues you disagree with them on. You do NOT surrender the field to the candidate you would like to set on fire to watch him run across it because the guy you SHOULD support is not as "perfect" as you want him or her to be.

The truth is we all live in the real world,whether we want to or not,and we need to make plans to do whatever we can do to make it more to our liking. You don't do this by having a hissy-fit and voting for your 3rd grade teacher as a protest vote.

@sneakypete

Well put Pete.  Part of useful forum time is being objective, and understanding that that "perfectness" is unachievable. We all should hold our right to question the decisons and actions of our leaders.   Maybe I take the intellectual honesty thing too far.  Believe me, I wish DJT was batting .900 in my wheel house than the .700 he is .  Maybe I hold too much hope that Trump and campaign monitor these forums for a feedback basis.  Becuase I honestly think, if he were running a more structured disciplined campaign, he'd be putting Biden away.

Still, Mr. Trump will get my vote this November. Fact is, too much at stake not to.

[DCPatriot]

@sneakypete

Well put Pete.  Part of useful forum time is being objective, and understanding that that "perfectness" is unachievable. We all should hold our right to question the decisons and actions of our leaders.   Maybe I take the intellectual honesty thing too far.  Believe me, I wish DJT was batting .900 in my wheel house than the .700 he is .  Maybe I hold too much hope that Trump and campaign monitor these forums for a feedback basis.  Becuase I honestly think, if he were running a more structured disciplined campaign, he'd be putting Biden away.

Still, Mr. Trump will get my vote this November. Fact is, too much at stake not to.

Amen, @catfish1957  !!!

PS:  Hitting .350 gets you into the Hall of Fame.   I'll take ".700" going away.   

[LegalAmerican]

No it isn't a perfect world that's for sure.  It's not a matter of throwing a hissy fit, it is a matter of voting for someone who is going to take this country in a better direction then the other candidate according to one's beliefs and values.  If the two candidates are going to take this country down a slippery slope; perhaps just one more slowly then the other, then the end result will eventually be the same.  So, for some, they feel there is no real viable choice.    As an example;on making a decision -- do we vote for someone who has repeatedly said that they will grant amnesty or do we vote for the other candidate who has stated that he will sign an e.o. to give a roadway to citizenship?  Please explain the difference.

This is the fourth time it will be explained to you.  POTUS IS NOT PLANNING THAT.  That is your idea, not his.  DACA went back to S.C.  Last I heard, ALL ARE TO BE RETURNED to their original land, then, they may apply to come in LEGALLY.  IF no  FELONY...that will be granted.  I think that is a fair way to deal with ANCHOR BABY'S. That is the issue, NOT GRANTING, ALL ILLEGALS, AMNESTY.  ONLY, ONLY...DACA PEOPLE.   
. OBAMA USED AN E.O.  TO DO THIS...however, S.C. won't allow my POTUS,  to remove it the same way.
 
WHY?  HE IS DOING WHAT HE CAN TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, PUT INTO HIS LAP.  HE DIDN'T CREATE THIS MESS.

[Absalom]

If some Trump supporters had their way, no one would be able to criticize Trump at any time.  In this forum, for example, I believe there are some who want to turn this into a Trump-worshiping site like FR.  I'm one of those who fled that other site for that reason.  If this place turns into FR, I'm gone.  Myst has said she won't allow that to happen and I trust our fearless leader in that regard.
So keep on, keeping on.  If some people here don't like what you say, it's their problem, not yours.

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Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.

[DCPatriot]

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Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.

And the more I reflect on your posts, I'm reminded of Marshall Applewhite.   

[LegalAmerican]

Four months?   Look again.   More like less than three months.   And yes, it was really weird.  But then, considering Trump's penchant for getting everyone talking about him.....

No...'they' are trying to 'do him in'......that is the issue.  Then censorship. 

[Idiot]

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Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.

[DCPatriot]

Wouldn't it be cool if we sprung an October Surprise of our own for a change?

President Trump:

“THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE. I ALSO SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER STOPPING MIDDLEMEN FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MEDICARE PATIENTS BY CHARGING HIGHER PRICES TO THEM AND POCKETING THE DISCOUNT FOR THEMSELVES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT MIDDLEMEN. I HAVE HEARD OF THEM FOR YEARS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES. TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, MIDDLEMEN AND MIDDLEWOMEN. SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE DRUG COMPANIES, AT LEAST THEY PRODUCE A PRODUCT, THE MEDICATION. THESE PEOPLE MAKE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY WON’T BE SO RICH ANYMORE. THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRES THIS $30 BILLION IN DISCOUNTS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE AMERICAN PATIENTS. THE MIDDLEMEN WILL BE KNOCKED OUT AND I WILL LOSE A LOT OF FRIENDS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. “

[DB]

The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.

If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.

[catfish1957]

President Trump:

“THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE. I ALSO SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER STOPPING MIDDLEMEN FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MEDICARE PATIENTS BY CHARGING HIGHER PRICES TO THEM AND POCKETING THE DISCOUNT FOR THEMSELVES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT MIDDLEMEN. I HAVE HEARD OF THEM FOR YEARS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES. TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, MIDDLEMEN AND MIDDLEWOMEN. SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE DRUG COMPANIES, AT LEAST THEY PRODUCE A PRODUCT, THE MEDICATION. THESE PEOPLE MAKE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY WON’T BE SO RICH ANYMORE. THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRES THIS $30 BILLION IN DISCOUNTS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE AMERICAN PATIENTS. THE MIDDLEMEN WILL BE KNOCKED OUT AND I WILL LOSE A LOT OF FRIENDS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. “

I don't care who you are.  That just may be the coolest thing I have ever heard a POTUS say.  Nice touch.

[catfish1957]

The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.

If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.

I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of  its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate.  Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort,  and lie forever.

[DB]

I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of  its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate.  Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort,  and lie forever.

That would be something to behold.

But I'm long past that fantasy...

[sneakypete]

I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of  its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate.  Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort,  and lie forever.

@catfish1957

One of the biggest reasons I support Trump is because the Clinton's hate him so much,and have gone out of their way to send him grief.

Good thing he is the forgiving type,or they could be in trouble if he is re-elected,huh?

[Applewood]

@catfish1957

One of the biggest reasons I support Trump is because the Clinton's hate him so much,and have gone out of their way to send him grief.

Good thing he is the forgiving type,or they could be in trouble if he is re-elected,huh?

@sneakypete

But I still want to know why Trump ultimately decided not to prosecute Hillary after saying he would if elected.  I don't buy his explanation that "she suffered enough." 

[Smokin Joe]

This comment was really weird. With four months before the election.

Some of the President's enemies could muster serious (as in buy your own country) money for the persons or person who managed to stop him from winning by foul means. Not presenting a direct target might be prudent at this point. While I believe the Secret Service remains professional as ever, my level of trust would drop off exponentially by the time I was dealing with most other alphabet agencies. There are people who stand to lose a lot if the swamp starts draining, and a lot of them.

[Smokin Joe]

Several months ago, Rudy made some really out there claims that he had information that would turn DC upside down like never before..  I believe Guliani, and maybe some of this is coming to fruition.   A sitting POTUS fearing for his own safety?  This is beyond comprehension.

So is an FBI that has, by and large violated their oaths for partisan reasons. If he has serious judicial hooks into the meat of the swamp critters, all Hell could break loose. They're symbiotic, and what gets one gets a network.

[Smokin Joe]

The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.

If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.

Where are the Democrats going to find one of those?

[skeeter]

Some of the President's enemies could muster serious (as in buy your own country) money for the persons or person who managed to stop him from winning by foul means. Not presenting a direct target might be prudent at this point. While I believe the Secret Service remains professional as ever, my level of trust would drop off exponentially by the time I was dealing with most other alphabet agencies. There are people who stand to lose a lot if the swamp starts draining, and a lot of them.

There is alot at stake for a great many powerful parties who've never had to deal with someone for whom they've had nothing to offer.