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Justice at last for high-tech cheaters?
« on: July 30, 2020, 01:34:32 pm »
Manfred now has a hammer to swing on future Astrosoxgaters. But will he really swing it?
By Yours Truly
https://throneberryfields.com/2020/07/30/justice-at-last-for-high-tech-cheaters/


While such “Joe Kelly Fight Club” T-shirts became
popular instantly, MLB and the players union finally
agreed to let the commissioner hammer electronic
cheaters. But are there catches?


Well, what do you know. Joe Kelly’s Tuesday night messages to Alex Bregman and Carlos Correa may have proven more than just worth an eight-game suspension (being appealed) and his canonisation as a saint in Los Angeles and elsewhere.

They have gotten both MLB’s dubious commissioner and the Major League Baseball Players Association on board with punishing future Astrogaters and Soxgaters. If they’re caught taking or transmitting such electronically-pilfered intelligence, they can be suspended without pay and lose the days of those suspensions in service time.

The news comes from one of the most unimpeachable sources—Evan Drellich, one of two writers for The Athletic (Ken Rosenthal was his teammate on it) to whom former Houston Astros pitcher Mike Fiers, an Oakland Athletic since August 2018 (after a stop in Detroit), blew the whistle on the Astro Intelligence Agency in the first place.

“MLB’s rules on the use of electronics and video grew significantly in the wake of penalties for the Astros and [Boston] Red Sox, according to a review of the document by The Athletic and conversations with officials familiar with it,” Drellich writes in an article published Thursday morning.

The league has newly hired an outside security firm to police the video replay room entrance and no later than next year plans to edit out the signs from the footage players look at in-game.

But no alteration may be as significant as the league’s ability to discipline. Commissioner Rob Manfred has the hammer, although the union can always appeal his decisions.

. . . Kelly was said by some to be delivering the justice to Astros players that MLB did not.

Whether MLB could have effectively administered that justice previously is a complicated question.

Technically, Manfred could have attempted to suspend Astros players had he not granted them immunity during his office’s investigations. But the punishments might not have stood up to expected grievances from the MLBPA because the league and union never before agreed how these specific issues would be handled. In fact, Manfred had declared in 2017, well before the Astros and Red Sox investigations, that he would hold club officials, not players, accountable for sign stealing.

No one condoned throwing at a batter’s head, as Kelly appeared to do when he threw such a pitch to walk Bregman with one out in the bottom of the sixth Tuesday, when they knew without being told that Kelly did only what it seemed at least half of major league baseball’s players—knowing how un-contrite both the Asterisks and the Rogue Sox seemed in spring training after the verdicts—thought was going to be done this season.

(It didn’t exactly take forever for a rash of T-shirts celebrating Kelly’s knockdown of Bregman and subsequent breaking-ball dustings of Carlos Correa, not to mention protesting his suspension, to go on sale online. “Free Joe Kelly” and “Joe Kelly Fight Club,” with or without Kelly’s image answering Correa’s huffing with a mock-crybaby face, seem the most popular.)

Until the coronavirus world tour knocked baseball as inside out as the rest of the world, Astrogate especially and Soxgate concurrently were the number one topic and scandal around the game. At times it was tough to determine which was more scandalous, the AIA and the Red Sox replay room reconnaissance ring, or Manfred having given players immunity instead of using his office’s powers to order them, “Spill, or be spilled.”

Not only did Chicago Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant

say this was worse than the prior scandals around actual or alleged performance-enhancing substances, Dodger pitcher Alex Wood

said, “I would rather face a player that was taking steroids than face a player that knew every pitch that was coming.”

Wood faced such players in the 2017 World Series. He had the lowest ERA (1.17) of any Dodger pitcher who pitched five or more innings in the set. He started Game Four in Minute Maid Park and surrendered George Springer’s two-out solo home run to break a scoreless tie and end his evening; he relieved Kenley Jansen for the Game Seven eighth and retired the side in order in Dodger Stadium.

Because the AIA’s apparatus involved either installing an additional and illegal real-time camera in Minute Maid Park, or taking an already-installed camera off the mandatory eight-second transmission delay, the 2017-18 Asterisks couldn’t run their sign-stealing scheme on the road. (In due course, it developed that Asterisk administrators tried but likely failed to urge scouts on the road to steal signs from the stands with cameras or field glasses.)

The 2018 Rogue Sox could operate their replay room reconnaissance ring in Fenway Park and elsewhere, anywhere, because it didn’t depend on altered or extra equipment. Basically, MLB handed them the keys to the candy store. Who knows how many other teams did as the Rogue Sox did, posting someone to decipher enemy pitch signs and signal them to a baserunner who’d then signal them to the hitter.

Remember: Sign-stealing on the field is as old a brand of gamesmanship as baseball itself. That’s why nobody went more than boo when New York Yankees right fielder Aaron Judge was recently seen as a runner on second looking as though sending a stolen sign to the hitter.

The 1951 New York Giants posted a coach in the clubhouse/offices above center field in the ancient Polo Grounds to steal signs telescopically and relay them to the bullpen from where signs were sent to hitters who wanted them. (The Giants stole the pennant! The Giants stole the pennant!) The verdict on their spectacular pennant race comeback forcing that fabled pennant playoff was left to history, alas.

The Red Sox married classic gamesmanship to off-field assistance handed to them (and anyone else who might have done likewise) in a gift-wrapped box. They didn’t install an extra camera and monitor in the room so far as is known. The new protocols now include prohibiting video room operators from communicating with players, coaches, and managers; and, outside security hired by MLB to guard the rooms, one guard for now and perhaps two after the coronavirus restrictions can be lifted.

Was Kelly punished too harshly for doing only what everyone with the proverbial two brain cells to rub together knew was likely to happen sooner or later, especially when the delayed season’s schedule included the surprise of the Astros facing the Dodgers in two sets? Another Athletic writer thinks so.

“When Manfred declined to punish the Astros, whether you agree with retaliation or not, he all but ensured opposing players would take matters into their own hands,” writes Molly Knight.

The Astros escaped their first series of this pandemic-shortened season against the Mariners without incident. But did anyone really expect none of the Dodgers to seek revenge?

MLB confirmed the Astros cheated their way through the 2017 World Series, and it still took them seven games to beat the Dodgers. It was as close as Los Angeles has come to winning it all since 1988. The scars from that series three years ago are still fresh for Dodgers fans, no matter how often Astros fans tell them to get over it. It’s hard to see how Astros fans would be over it if the trash can had been banged by the other team.

Considering that Kelly
has a history as an erratic pitcher who rarely lets an actual or perceived offense go unanswered, it practically figured that he’d be the Dodgers’ version of the Green Hornet, flirting with crime to take down the grand theft felons. But keep in mind, too, that an eight-game drydock in a sixty-game season equals a 22-game suspension for a full 162-game season.

“Manfred may have thought he was sending a message about vigilante justice by giving Kelly an eight-game ban,” Knight writes. “But all he did was draw attention back to the absurdity that Astros players cheated to win a World Series and justice wasn’t served.”

Now Commissioner Nero has a hammer to swing on the high-tech off-field-based cheaters. Even if he catches another such intelligence/reconnaissance operation in the act—or another Fiers blows the whistle—and swings, and the Players Association files grievances on behalf of the hammered. He’d still send the message loud and strong that any more AIAs or Rogue Sox Reconnaissance Rings are verboten.

The question is whether he really will. And, whether the hammer will be a mallet or a marshmallow.
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Re: Justice at last for high-tech cheaters?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2020, 02:16:26 pm »
Wait until the news breaks soon about the 2018 Yankees.
It's coming.
I can't say much now, but the source is pretty credible, but don't be shocked.
2018 playoffs.

6 teams total, but the Yankees are being looked at closely.
Makes you wonder what is actually in that unopened letter.

Not unlike Kelly's former team, the Red Sox, he was also a 2 time offender.
He's been suspended before, so 8 games doesn't seem that harsh in that light.

Manfred has got to go.
He's been hiding knowledge of other teams cheating, after seeing how much of a beating the Astros took for it.

Health, says he,is his main concern, unless you are an Astro or, now, a Marlin.

MLB risk becoming as irrelevant as the WNBA.




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Re: Justice at last for high-tech cheaters?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 02:33:00 pm »
Wait until the news breaks soon about the 2018 Yankees.
It's coming.
I can't say much now, but the source is pretty credible, but don't be shocked.
2018 playoffs.

6 teams total, but the Yankees are being looked at closely.
Makes you wonder what is actually in that unopened letter.
And why Commissioner Nero is still not pushing the Yankees to release it after that judge ordered it released.

Not unlike Kelly's former team, the Red Sox, he was also a 2 time offender.
He's been suspended before, so 8 games doesn't seem that harsh in that light.
The suspension might well have been a kind of lifetime achievement award in reverse, but it was still excessive when you consider eight games in a sixty-game season equals 22 in a 162-game stretch.

Manfred has got to go.
He's been hiding knowledge of other teams cheating, after seeing how much of a beating the Astros took for it.
Commissioner Nero's had to go for far, far more reason than just team spy operations.

But remember: Until or unless something else comes forth about another team doing likewise (even another whistleblower), the Astros are taking the beating because they either altered a camera off its mandatory feed delay or installed another one to tie to their clubhouse monitor. The replay room monitors were put into place by MLB itself; we know the Red Sox used them for sign-stealing reconnaissance, but we don't yet know how many other teams and who they were did as the Rogue Sox did. But when you give them a gift like a bank of monitors in a replay review room, you'll be very hard pressed to forget that boys will be boys, especially when they're handed the equivalent of the keys to the family hooch hutch.

Health, says he,is his main concern, unless you are an Astro or, now, a Marlin.
Remember the order in which he phrased things after the depth of the Marlins' infections were disclosed---teams depleted out of competitiveness first, health later. He didn't specify a team, of course, but it didn't take trigonometry to know where his first thought was.


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