FRAUD: Numerous New Yorkers Claim “Mail In” Ballots Cast In Their Name Without Their Knowledge

[mystery-ak]

FRAUD: Numerous New Yorkers Claim “Mail In” Ballots Cast In Their Name Without Their Knowledge

Published 2 hours ago

on May 20, 2020

By Jose Nino

Various residents of Passaic County, New York are complaining about not receiving or sending a vote-by-mail ballot.

Such complaints have emerged despite the Board of Election records showing a ballot in their name was mailed in.

A resident of Passaic County, Ramona Javier made the same complaint.

“We did not receive vote by mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she stated in Spanish. When she was presented with an official list of some of the people who voted in her neighborhood – where her name was also on that list —, Javier stated ”This is corruption. This is fraud.”

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[EdinVA]

It is just very efficient ballot harvesting... nothing to see here folks

[240B]

The only way to be certain a 'mail in' vote is real, would be to call the voter based on a phone number search and voice verify that they sent in the ballot and who they voted for. If the vote cannot be verified, it should be excluded.

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@Once-Ler

When a voter requests a mail ballot, the county courthouse person dealing with mail ballots, mails a ballot, and each ballot has a separate number and that number is assigned to that person.  If the ballot comes in with a different number on it, it is rejected. 

When a person marks his/her ballot; it is put in the ballot envelope, then put in the mailing envelope.  It can only get to the election center these ways:
The voter delivers it to the election center, or sends it by US Mail, or by a company who transports mail, such as UPS, FedEx,etc.  Any ballot getting there another way, is rejected.
The article says:

"Videos are surfacing online of a single voter carrying numerous ballots. Postal workers were seen leaving some ballots sitting out in building lobbies. And hundreds of filled out ballots were found by postal workers in single mailboxes in Paterson, suggesting a possible vote bundling operation which election experts say is a crime. In one case, officials said more than 300 Paterson city ballots were found in a single mailbox in an entirely different town: Haledon."

The above actions, plus the woman who said she did not get a mail ballot but someone filled one out for her, sound like someone is printing fake ballots and filling out people's names.  The above does not mean those ballots were counted.  They may have gotten to election center, but every mail ballot is examined before it is counted.  If the ballot does not have the proper election number on it, even if the examiners let the ballot go through, the machine will kick it out and it is not counted, but is saying someone is illegally printing fake ballots.

The District Attorney of every county is required to investigate election fraud.  Those fake ballots were not counted, but the District Attorney has a case to solve.

"...single voter carrying numerous ballots"
A person cannot carry more than their one ballot to turn in to election headquarters.   Those ballots would not be accepted if this person tried to do that.

"Postal workers were seen leaving some ballots sitting out in building lobbies."  That is a job for the District Attorney and the Post Office of that county.

"And hundreds of filled out ballots were found by postal workers in single mailboxes in Paterson, suggesting a possible vote bundling operation which election experts say is a crime."

These ballots are fakes and will not have the right numbers on them UNLESS they stole them from the courthouse.  How likely is it hundreds of ballots were stolen from the courthouse?  Not likely.  Those ballots will be kicked out by the machine OR found out another way when those ballots are checked by the Early Voting Ballot Board who examines the mailing envelope and the ballot envelope.

Remember, each county runs their elections. You live in a county, who did you vote for to run your county?

[240B]

This is equivalent to a $25-$50 dollar bill.
When a drug addict, or homeless person, or someone hungry and poor gets one of these, the first thing they will do is to try to sell it. And I'm sure there are numerous Democrat activist organizations which would love to buy it.

Historically, Democrats have always given homeless people booze and cigarettes to vote. Now they will simply give them money for their ticket.

[Free Vulcan]

It is just very efficient ballot harvesting... nothing to see here folks

Well played sir, well played.

And that is the problem with mail-in voting. It is completely insecure with no verifiable chain of custody.

Which is why the Dems love it.

[Victoria33]

This is equivalent to a $25-$50 dollar bill.
When a drug addict, or homeless person, or someone hungry and poor gets one of these, the first thing they will do is to try to sell it. And I'm sure there are numerous Democrat activist organizations which would love to buy it.  Historically, Democrats have always given homeless people booze and cigarettes to vote. Now they will simply give them money for their ticket.

@240B

A homeless person is not a registered voter so would not get a ballot.  One has to have a physical address to be a registered voter and a homeless person likely has no physical address since he/she is homeless.  If a name is not on the voter list, that name gets no ballot.

A drug addict likely cares nothing about voting and likely is not on the voter list.  A drug addict would have to send in an application for a ballot and likely doesn't do this as their total interest is getting a drug, not voting.

[EdinVA]

@240B

A homeless person is not a registered voter so would not get a ballot.  One has to have a physical address to be a registered voter and a homeless person likely has no physical address since he/she is homeless.  If a name is not on the voter list, that name gets no ballot.

A drug addict likely cares nothing about voting and likely is not on the voter list.  A drug addict would have to send in an application for a ballot and likely doesn't do this as their total interest is getting a drug, not voting.

Can someone who is homeless register and vote?
 Yes. Persons experiencing homelessness can register and vote in all 50 states.
What should this person list as his or her home address?
 It is recommended homeless registrants list a shelter address as their voting address where they could receive mail. Alternatively, homeless registrants may denote a street corner or a park as their residence, in lieu of a traditional home address. The federal voter registration form and many state forms provide a space for this purpose.
https://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-in-your-state/special-circumstances/voting-and-homelessness/

[240B]

@240B

A homeless person is not a registered voter so would not get a ballot.  One has to have a physical address to be a registered voter and a homeless person likely has no physical address since he/she is homeless.  If a name is not on the voter list, that name gets no ballot.

A drug addict likely cares nothing about voting and likely is not on the voter list.  A drug addict would have to send in an application for a ballot and likely doesn't do this as their total interest is getting a drug, not voting.

@Victoria33
Of course homeless and drug addicts do not care about voting. You completely missed the point. They care about money. The ballot is equal to free money. The idea that they don't care is why they are selling it. And Democrats always have agents near to shelters and drug areas ready to buy ballots for cash.

[skeeter]

@Victoria33
Of course homeless and drug addicts do not care about voting. You completely missed the point. They care about money. The ballot is equal to free money. The idea that they don't care is why they are selling it. And Democrats always have agents near to shelters and drug areas ready to buy ballots for cash.

See 'ballot harvesting'.

[sneakypete]

@240B

  A homeless person is not a registered voter so would not get a ballot.  One has to have a physical address to be a registered voter and a homeless person likely has no physical address since he/she is homeless.  If a name is not on the voter list, that name gets no ballot.

Homeless people ALL have mailing addresses. Even if it is nothing but the address of the corner liquor store.

How else do you think they get their checks (or bank account letters) each month? You also have to have an address to get food stamps,welfare checks,etc,etc,etc mailed to you.

I used to know of a liquor store in Denver that must have had a dozen or more welfare checks mailed them each month. They would give the wino's credit,and then subtract the amount owned when they cashed their checks each month.

A drug addict likely cares nothing about voting and likely is not on the voter list.  A drug addict would have to send in an application for a ballot and likely doesn't do this as their total interest is getting a drug, not voting.

Maybe not,but you can bet he or she loves the idea of a ride to vote,the bag of burgers,and the 20 dollar bill that goes along with them registering and voting.

[sneakypete]

@Victoria33
Of course homeless and drug addicts do not care about voting. You completely missed the point. They care about money. The ballot is equal to free money. The idea that they don't care is why they are selling it. And Democrats always have agents near to shelters and drug areas ready to buy ballots for cash.

@240B

Remember the woman from Manhattan that went to the midwest and rented a fleet of vans to take homeless people to vote when Obomber ran for president?

IIRC,the voters were given a choice between a carton of cigarettes or a 5th of whiskey as their reward for being good citizens.

We know about her because she was arrested and fined 100 bucks or so for election fraud,and then sent back to NYC on probation.

I bet THAT taught her a lesson!

[Victoria33]

@240B
Remember the woman from Manhattan that went to the midwest and rented a fleet of vans to take homeless people to vote when Obomber ran for president?

@sneakypete

A person can take voters to their voting precinct - that is not against the law.  If the people taken to the polls are not registered voters, they are turned away.  If they insist they should vote there, they vote a Provisional Ballot which goes to the Early Voting Ballot Board who confirms they are not on the voter list and the ballots are rejected not counted.

[Victoria33]

Homeless people ALL have mailing addresses. Even if it is nothing but the address of the corner liquor store.  How else do you think they get their checks (or bank account letters) each month? You also have to have an address to get food stamps,welfare checks,etc,etc,etc mailed to you.  I used to know of a liquor store in Denver that must have had a dozen or more welfare checks mailed them each month. They would give the wino's credit,and then subtract the amount owned when they cashed their checks each month.  Maybe not,but you can bet he or she loves the idea of a ride to vote,the bag of burgers,and the 20 dollar bill that goes along with them registering and voting.

@sneakypete

A voter must have a physical address, not a post office box; the voter has to live where the physical address is.  They can't register to vote and give a liquor store address if they don't live there.  Homeless people cannot use a store's address to register to vote, unless they live inside the store.  If a liquor store owner lets someone use their address for regular mail, that still does not work for a voter registration address - they have to live there - not just go there.

A county would not send a ballot to a liquor store unless it was the owner of the store and he/she lives there part-time or full time.  They can also use their house address if they can get mail there, but they can only use ONE address to register to vote.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

A person can take voters to their voting precinct - that is not against the law.  If the people taken to the polls are not registered voters, they are turned away.  If they insist they should vote there, they vote a Provisional Ballot which goes to the Early Voting Ballot Board who confirms they are not on the voter list and the ballots are rejected not counted.

@Victoria33

True,but paying them either a fifth of whiskey or a cartoon of cigarettes to vote is illegal,and that is what that woman was doing.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

A voter must have a physical address, not a post office box; the voter has to live where the physical address is.  They can't register to vote and give a liquor store address if they don't live there.  Homeless people cannot use a store's address to register to vote, unless they live inside the store.  If a liquor store owner lets someone use their address for regular mail, that still does not work for a voter registration address - they have to live there - not just go there.

A county would not send a ballot to a liquor store unless it was the owner of the store and he/she lives there part-time or full time.  They can also use their house address if they can get mail there, but they can only use ONE address to register to vote.

@Victoria33

Are you just quoting the legalities to establish them,or are you so foolish as to believe nobody ever violates them?

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33
Of course homeless and drug addicts do not care about voting. You completely missed the point. They care about money. The ballot is equal to free money. The idea that they don't care is why they are selling it. And Democrats always have agents near to shelters and drug areas ready to buy ballots for cash.

@240B

A voter must have a physical address, not a post office box; the voter has to live where the physical address is.  They can't register to vote if they don't live at the physical address.

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33

Are you just quoting the legalities to establish them,or are you so foolish as to believe nobody ever violates them?

@sneakypete

Every mail ballot is examined - I was the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for ten years and every mail ballot was examined.

What some can't understand is there is a system of checks/examinations for every ballot cast and examinations of every person who fills out the form to register to vote.  I instructed county officials, Republican County Chairs, and election judges and clerks in a 6-7 hour instruction period in numerous Texas counties.  Elections are not just thrown together elections with no system to it.  It is very detailed in order to be fair to all voters.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

 
Every mail ballot is examined - I was the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for ten years and every mail ballot was examined.

@Victoria33

Un,huh. And every judge is as honest as you?


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[Victoria33]

@Victoria33
Un,huh. And every judge is as honest as you?

@sneakypete

Every Early Voting Ballot Board is made up of half Democrats and half Republicans. The Judge is a person from the party of the Governor who won the last election.  Since our governor is a Republican, there had to be a Republican Judge of this board and I was that Judge.  If I had done something against the election law, there were Democrats on the board to complain - there were never any complaints because I went exactly by those election laws.

Now, Pete, there was a time the Democrat District Attorney filed a complaint against me to the State Attorney General, trying to remove me from that board, saying I could not be that Judge.  That is another story, but I remained that Judge and the Democrat District Attorney lost his next election in our county and blamed me for his loss.

[Free Vulcan]

@sneakypete

Every mail ballot is examined - I was the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for ten years and every mail ballot was examined.

What some can't understand is there is a system of checks/examinations for every ballot cast and examinations of every person who fills out the form to register to vote.  I instructed county officials, Republican County Chairs, and election judges and clerks in a 6-7 hour instruction period in numerous Texas counties.  Elections are not just thrown together elections with no system to it.  It is very detailed in order to be fair to all voters.

Iowa works similarly as you describe. There are ways to cheat the early voting system piecemeal, but not so directly unless you got someone(s) on the inside.

What always bothers me is all the unsecured boxes of ballots that always seem to appear, and I assume disappear without a trace.

The previous county auditor here was known to play games with boxes of ballots years ago.

[240B]

@240B

A voter must have a physical address, not a post office box; the voter has to live where the physical address is.  They can't register to vote if they don't live at the physical address.

I wish and hope what you are saying is true, but I doubt it is true in every State.
Since the Democrats do not believe that 'Laws' or 'Rules' apply to them. And since they have no ethics, honor, or discipline at all except to push their perverted agenda. If there is a way to game the system they will find it and they will certainly use it to the fullest extent. Democrats are scum. They never play by the rule book. Never.

[Victoria33]

Iowa works similarly as you describe. There are ways to cheat the early voting system piecemeal, but not so directly unless you got someone(s) on the inside.  What always bothers me is all the unsecured boxes of ballots that always seem to appear, and I assume disappear without a trace.  The previous county auditor here was known to play games with boxes of ballots years ago.

@Free Vulcan

Many years ago, there were not as many checks and balances as now.  I was told that in our county, one time an election judge took all the ballot boxes from his voting precinct and took the workers to dinner instead of taking the ballot boxes to the central counting station.

Here is how ballot boxes work now:
All electronic machines are tested at the county with the elections administration and the
Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman.  Each machine is checked for accuracy, then if it passes, it and the others tested are locked in a room with two locks.  The election administrator has one key and the county sheriff has the other key.

On election day, the sheriff deputies take the machines to each polling place.  The election judge and alternate judge who is of the other party, check each machine to insure they are set at zero.  At the end of the day,  Judge and alternate judge take the disk out of the machines and take them, followed by a Deputy, to the central counting station.

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

Many years ago, there were not as many checks and balances as now.  I was told that in our county, one time an election judge took all the ballot boxes from his voting precinct and took the workers to dinner instead of taking the ballot boxes to the central counting station.

Here is how ballot boxes work now:
All electronic machines are tested at the county with the elections administration and the
Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman.  Each machine is checked for accuracy, then if it passes, it and the others tested are locked in a room with two locks.  The election administrator has one key and the county sheriff has the other key.

On election day, the sheriff deputies take the machines to each polling place.  The election judge and alternate judge who is of the other party, check each machine to insure they are set at zero.  At the end of the day,  Judge and alternate judge take the disk out of the machines and take them, followed by a Deputy, to the central counting station.

Even so, it always seems in the urban precincts that boxes of ballots are suddenly 'found' that have no such chain of custody.

And they always get accepted, many times without any kind of oversight or review.

[Victoria33]

Even so, it always seems in the urban precincts that boxes of ballots are suddenly 'found' that have no such chain of custody. And they always get accepted, many times without any kind of oversight or review.

@Free Vulcan

I am not sure you are right that "if" boxes of ballots are "found", they get accepted.  Unless that county is run by crooks from the County Judge to the District Attorney, down to the custodian, those ballots would NOT be counted.

Remember, it is the "county".  If you know of such a county, and I mean this, I can find their election laws and find who runs that county.  If you hear such info during this upcoming election, please tell me which county/state, and I'll do research.

Watch out for this:
Believe it was the 2016 election, and they will probably say this next time, because people will believe it:  Two guys say they can change election machines.  They have a machine they bought, not one that came from a county, and do hands-on work on it and change it however they want.  People seeing that were sure now our elections were crooked.  In the real world, they don't have a machine that has been calibrated for an election, as they are locked up - not sitting in a hall somewhere so those guys can get their hands on them.

While we are at it, Free Vulcan, let's cover dead people voting.
First, remember, just because a ballot is cast, does not mean it is counted.  Fraudulent ballots are usually caught, even dead people's ballots.

An aside:
My husband was the Republican County Chair, and during the campaigning time, he would put a sign at the cemetery that said, "Early Voting Starts October 12" (whatever the day was).

A voter on the list gets a new card by mail.  If that card is returned a few years in a row as not deliverable, the name goes on a Suspension List.  A few more years go by, card still returned, and the name is removed.

Also, counties have a list of people who died in that county, and that name is given to the election administrator to remove that name from the voter list if it is there.

A double check is done by the Secretary of State who gets all death notices and they report to counties who has died in their county and the name is removed if on the voter list.